I neglected to mention that Neamathla was over 80 years old at the time he was forced to make the journey to the west in chains. Dale

Richard and all, Grant Foreman's "Indian Removal" provides an excellent account of what became of the people from the Apalachicola reserves, particularly the Econchatimico (Tocktoethla) band. Neamathla (Eneah Emathla), by the way, was a fascinating individual. He had fought against the United States during the War of 1812 (of which the Creek War of 1813-1814 was a phase) and also opposed the cession of Creek land under the Treaty of Fort Jackson in the First Seminole War of 1817-1818. The war, in fact, began because he warned U.S. soldiers not to cross to the south of the Flint River because he was directed by the "powers above and below" to defend his land. The war started when U.S. troops attacked his village (Fowltown) to attempt to capture the chief and punish him for his defiance and Neamathla and his warriors resisted. After his town was destroyed, he withdrew into Florida and settled originally on the present site of Tallahassee and later in Gadsden County. Following his confrontation with DuVal, he returned back up to the Creek Nation in Georgia and was a major figure in leading Native American resistance to removal during the Second Creek War. He was captured during the fighting and was taken to the new territory west of the Mississippi. He made the journey in chains and under armed guard, without murmering a word of complaint, and was said to have expressed concern only over the fates of his children. He was and is a Native American hero. Best, Dale Cox

June... I will do MUCH better than giving you treaty dates... Here is an URL from which you can read the entire text of all of these treaties... actually all US treaties with Native Americans: http://www.councilfire.com/treaty/index.html Just remember that the first one, Moultrie Creek, was in essence revoked by the other three that I named: Tallahassee, Pope's Fayette County, and Payne's Landing. As to still residing on the Reservations (there were 4 reservations set aside... 1 of which was I believe essentially forfeited by Neamathla after he plotted to kill Governor DuVal and destroy Tallahassee)... No. The Reservations were gone. The Creeks living on them were supposedly Removed to Texas (then a part of Mexico) in 1834 or to Arkansas Territory, now the state of Oklahoma)... and were reclassified as Seminoles by the government in the process. But oral history and some written history indicates that some never left and that others came back to the Apalachicola/Chattahoochee River area. Many folks living in the area still today, or coming from the area, know of their Creek ancestry and have a living tradition as Creeks going continuously back to these times and before. But others... and I think that my Hair(e) family was one... forfeited their Creek culture and history in an attempt to pass as White. In doing this, they didn't do it just because they up and wanted to... but because it was illegal to be Creeks or Seminoles living in Florida (or Georgia) and because they were liable to have their property confiscated and themselves perhaps even physically branded and definitely shipped to Indian Territory. There were advertisements in the newspapers as late as the 1860s, and the laws were still on the books into the mid-20th century. I don't know how anyone else feels about that, but I consider it to be a tragedy in and among and capping many other tragedies going back over a long-long period time, in the history of the Native Americans of the Southeast. RW [email protected] wrote: > In a message dated 11/6/01 10:01:21 AM Eastern Standard Time, > [email protected] writes: > > << hese Reservations were > later revoked by the treaties of Tallahassee, Pope's Fayette County, and > Payne's Landing. >> > > Very interesting and could someone pls post the dates of the revocation of > these treaties and IF any native americians continued to reside on this > reservation til the 1900's. Thanks, June.

In a message dated 11/6/01 10:01:21 AM Eastern Standard Time, [email protected] writes: << hese Reservations were later revoked by the treaties of Tallahassee, Pope's Fayette County, and Payne's Landing. >> Very interesting and could someone pls post the dates of the revocation of these treaties and IF any native americians continued to reside on this reservation til the 1900's. Thanks, June.

Can anyone in Jackson Co., FL find out and post on the list when the Long Can Grinding is going to be??? I am not in Jackson Co. right now or I would call around and find out.. James James L. Edenfield Website: http://edenfield.org Email: [email protected]

I'm trying to find my ancestors in the 1900 census and I'm a little frustrated. I can find descriptions of the different enumeration districts which give the precinct, but most of them do not give further info. For example, enumeration district 50 consists of precinct 2. But, that means nothing to me. What I have is township and range. There are only about 20 entire townships (for example T3N, R8W) and about a dozen partial townships in Jackson county in 1900. Can anyone match up the township and ranges with precincts or enumeration districts? I'm most interested in T3N , R8W. This would be so helpful and I'd really appreciate any assistance. Shelley Rutkin Researching Wester, Mathis, and Dykes in Jackson County

There have been several queries on the list, recently, about Shepards. Does anyone have a T. J. Shepard from Jackson Co. who served in Co. E, 6th Fla. Regt. during the Civil War? He moved to Orlando and, apparently, owned a grocery store. I have a copy of a handwritten letter from him in 1906 to Arthur Lewis, which happened to be in Arthur's pension file. If any descendant would like a copy, I would be glad to send one. Cynthia

Richard, I know you asked for other help, but I have a bit of info on this for you. The name is also spelled Choconicla. The locations of all of the Apalachicola reserves are shown on the original Jackson County land plats. There are copies of these in the Property Appraiser's Office in Marianna. A description of the town can also be found in Captain Hugh Young's memoir of 1818. If you don't have a copy of this, let me know and I will dig mine up for you. Best, Dale

Does anyone who hangs out here besides Dale Cox, who I am already in communication with on this general subject area, know anything about the Reservations which were granted in the early 1820s to certain Loyal Creeks who served under Jackson in the First Creek & Seminole wars, in what are now Jackson and Calhoun counties, on the Chattahoochee and Apalachicola, by the Treaty of Moultrie Creek? These Reservations were later revoked by the treaties of Tallahassee, Pope's Fayette County, and Payne's Landing. During the progression of these treaties, the folks involved were more or less legally reclassified from Florida Indians, to Apalachicolas, and finally to Seminoles. I'm particularly interested in knowing the exact location of Choconeola which was also called Mulatto King's town after its original chief, and later Yellow Hair Town after Nocose Yaholla, or Chief John Yellow Hair... who might or might not be a 3-great grandfather of mine. Richard White Tallahassee

Richard, It is a shame to hear about the mill. I haven't been by there since at least the mid-80s. I remember as a kid, though, that you could buy their meal at area grocery stores. Dale

Dale... This is just a matter of perspective, but as you know several Florida units were mixed and matched with units of other states... not just Alabama, but even Louisiana. It strikes me that rather than these particular Florida men having been put in essentially an Alabama unit, the 15th Confederate Cavalry designation was a way to avoid state labels altogether in a unit comprised of men from several states. This must not have been a very useful measure though, as it wasn't used universally so to speak. I rather get the impression that where the men actually came from was not much of an issue, but that changing the designation of a unit from one state to another was. I have the very strong impression that the state line meant very little to the actual rank and file soldiers, but the issues probably came in at a much higher level where counting units one way or another had various political implications. RW [email protected] wrote: > The same is true with Alabama. Many Northwest Florida soldiers crossed over > to serve in Alabama units and vice versa. For example, a full company of > men from Marianna served in the 15th Confederate Cavalry which was largely an > Alabama unit. Meanwhile, many men from Alabama served in the 5th Florida > Cavalry. > > Best, > > Dale Cox

Dale... The last I saw of it Shepard's Mill is still physically there, but so far as I know it is now being used as a residence. I believe that the mill's grinding stones were moved outside where the weather ruined them, some years ago. I'm not sure how long it has been since the mill operated, but at least 15 years... I looked at it with a realtor myself probably a bit over 15 years ago. My 2-great grandfather John SHEPARD Haven lived in Jackson County late in life and for some time I have wondered if he was related to this family, but I have no definite knowledge. His daughter, my great grandmother, married a miller, my great grandfather Richard M. Sellars... and I have wondered about that as well, as a connection. My great grandfather's mill was on Tired Creek in what is now Grady County, Georgia, and in the 1880s my great grandmother White's oldest son and daughter (from her first marriage), James H. Carter and Maggie Jordan, also inherited a grist mill and 100 acres of land on "Tyred Creek" from their grandfather, Herring Carter. So far as I know, these were two different mills... one southwest of Cairo and one to the east of Cairo. Two of my great grandfather Sellars' sons move a sawmill that he also owned but gave to them, to Merritt Island, Florida, in the 1920s or 30s. RW [email protected] wrote: > Jim, > > There is a Shepard's Mill in Gadsden County. Are these the same people? If > so, I think the mill is still in operation. It is near Greensboro and the > last time I checked was one of the few remaining places in the area to > produce stone-ground corn meal. > > An Elizabeth Shepard is listed on the charter of Providence Baptist Church in > Gadsden County, which was signed in September of 1843, but obviously this > wouldn't be the same person. A number of members of the Shepard family > lived in that area, though, so it might be a start. > > Best, > > Dale Cox

Jim, There is a Shepard's Mill in Gadsden County. Are these the same people? If so, I think the mill is still in operation. It is near Greensboro and the last time I checked was one of the few remaining places in the area to produce stone-ground corn meal. An Elizabeth Shepard is listed on the charter of Providence Baptist Church in Gadsden County, which was signed in September of 1843, but obviously this wouldn't be the same person. A number of members of the Shepard family lived in that area, though, so it might be a start. Best, Dale Cox

I am interested in the family of Isaac Nathan Shepard (son of Joshua Shepard and Elizabeth Mashburn) and Elizabeth "Betsy" McKeown; she was born 1823 in Chester Dist., SC and died 1900 in Jackson Co., Fla. Isaac and "Betsy" were married 04 Oct 1850 in Gadsden Co., Fla. From my limited records, it appears they lived in Jackson Co., Fla., and/or Gadsden Co., Fla. Thanks, Jim Webb

Wayne Carpenter has surveyed a couple of cemeteries in Gulf Co., FL They are: Pleasant Rest Cemetery http://www.rootsweb.com/~fljackso/gulf/pleasantrestwnc.htm Buckhorn Cemetery http://www.rootsweb.com/~fljackso/gulf/buckhornwnc.htm James James L. Edenfield Website: http://edenfield.org Email: [email protected]

Subj: Trawick Cemetery Date: 11/01/2001 1:39:39 PM Eastern Standard Time From: [email protected] [email protected] Betty: Do you have the list of the Franklin survey of this cemetery before it was covered with Lake Seminole? I know some of the graves were moved to Spring Creek in Decatur Co.but don't have any names or dates. Thank you Julia Fenn

36 more pages has been added to the census.. Pages 354a - 373b was transcribed by Odell Robinson.. This is the District 14 or Graceville District.. There is no information in the Number of years married nor the Occupation columns for these pages... You can go the master index at http://www.rootsweb.com/~fljackso/1900census/mindex.htm or go to http://www.rootsweb.com/~fljackso/1900census/pageind.htm and look at just the new pages... James James L. Edenfield Website: http://edenfield.org Email: [email protected]

St. John M. B. Church Cemetery (AfAm) http://www.rootsweb.com/~fljackso/cemeteries/stjohnswnc.htm Maddox Cemetery http://www.rootsweb.com/~fljackso/cemeteries/maddoxwnc.htm Dickerson Family Cemetery http://www.rootsweb.com/~fljackso/cemeteries/dickersonwnc.htm Saye Cemetery http://www.rootsweb.com/~fljackso/cemeteries/sayewnc.htm Dozier Cemetery http://www.rootsweb.com/~fljackso/cemeteries/dozierwnc.htm James James L. Edenfield Website: http://edenfield.org Email: [email protected]

The same is true with Alabama. Many Northwest Florida soldiers crossed over to serve in Alabama units and vice versa. For example, a full company of men from Marianna served in the 15th Confederate Cavalry which was largely an Alabama unit. Meanwhile, many men from Alabama served in the 5th Florida Cavalry. Best, Dale Cox

But in this area don't limit yourself to just Georgia soldiers. Read: http://pone.com/ts/rw000.htm and I think that you will see why. Many men crossed the state line in both directions to join units... RW [email protected] wrote: > The Florida Archives has the CSA Service Records for Florida soldiers as well as the pension records. The latter are being put online but not the service records. > > You might want to try the Archives' Home page at: > > http://dlis.dos.state.fl.us/barm/fsa.html > > The Archives have also purchased the Alabama and Georgia Pension Records, the Arkansas, Louisiana and I think Mississippi Pension records on microfilm. > > ============================== > Ancestry.com Genealogical Databases > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/rwlist2.asp > Search over 2500 databases with one easy query!