Dale Cox gave a great talk tonight in Tallahassee on the Battles of Marianna and Natural Bridge. But one question I should have asked him and didn't. He mentioned that he worked for WTVY in Dothan. What I want to know is, when are they going to bring back Championship Wrestling at the Houston County Farm Center? Who can forget the young "Stone Cold" Steve Austin, not yet dry behind the ears? And the weekly epic battle between good and evil, between Dick Dunn and Mario Galinto, with the steady hand of Gene Gauss as moderator? How everyone was incensed at Mario's long hair and earring. And the old "Gene Ragan Farm Show". I wonder if any of the cast of these shows (besides Steve) is still around. Ahh, to return to the days of locally produced television shows, before everything was so slickly produced and rehearsed; when the best parts were when things happened that weren't in the script; the things noone counted on.

Don't forget Jim and Jesse and the Virginia Boys. Remember them too? I think we might be telling our age.......Winnette --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.298 / Virus Database: 161 - Release Date: 11/13/01

The URL's are: Dykes Cemetery, Marianna, FL http://www.rootsweb.com/~fljackso/cemeteries/dykesmwc.htm This cemetery has been wrongly identified as Holly Grove Church Cemetery but that is incorrect.. The cemetery is located behind the church but the church was moved there long after the cemetery was established and there is no connection with the church. Galilee Baptist Church Cemetery (AfAm) http://www.rootsweb.com/~fljackso/cemeteries/galileewnc.htm New survey for the Lawrence Cemetery http://www.rootsweb.com/~fljackso/cemeteries/lawrencewnc.htm Magnolia A.M.E. Church Cemetery (AfAm) http://www.rootsweb.com/~fljackso/cemeteries/magnoliawnc.htm Union Hill Church Cemetery (AfAm) http://www.rootsweb.com/~fljackso/cemeteries/unionwnc.htm James James L. Edenfield Website: http://edenfield.org Email: [email protected]

Dale Cox has published an excellent book on the Battle of Marianna and is now getting ready to publish one on the Battle of Natural Bridge. He will speak at a meeting of the Tallahassee Historical Society at the Browkaw-McDougal House on Meridian Street at Miccosukee Road in downtown Tallahassee on Thursday, 15 November, at 7:00 p.m. Richard White

Time for remembering.....Two Egg is just north of Hwy 90 .... http://www.rootsweb.com/~fljackso/twoegg/twoegg.html http://www.rootsweb.com/~fljackso/twoegg/twoeggpicutresp1.html Betty

Cindy, Try these hyperlinks for info on Gov. R. R. Reid. Jim Webb - Jacksonville, Florida <A HREF="http://dhr.dos.state.fl.us/governors/reid.html">http://dhr.dos.state.fl.us/governors/reid.html</A> <A HREF="http://fpc.dos.state.fl.us/learning/Governors/territorial/Reid.html">http://fpc.dos.state.fl.us/learning/Governors/territorial/Reid.html</A> It appears from this site that The Univ. of South Florida has some type of collection about him. <A HREF="http://fpc.dos.state.fl.us/learning/Governors/territorial/Reid.html">http://fpc.dos.state.fl.us/learning/Governors/territorial/Reid.html</A>

I am gonna be there this year. Can't stand it no more! Going to sit myself down and eat and talk all day. See everyone there.......................... Betty 1st Saturday in December.......

Subj: John Edward A. Barker or John E. Barker Date: 11/07/2001 9:25:57 PM Eastern Standard Time From: [email protected] Died as far as I know Dec. 1930 in Caryville, FL and I understand that is in Washington County. My great grandfather was a white male born in GA 1846. Do you know of an Old Masonic Cemetery or have you seen the name John E. Barker in any of your cemeteries? Please help me if you can. Thank you, June Barker Clenney His son in-law was Henry Milton Hinote and he died Nov. 11, 1933 in Caryville and is buried in Caryville too I was told.

Dear friends: My ears perked up at the mention of the Habersham Co., GA Wades/Waids, and possible connections of their with Jackson County, FL. Now, as you know, I am the first of my POPE line NOT born in Jackson County since William Stuart (I) 1789-1837 migrated there in 1820. My dad was born in Sneads (1922) and his mother, Macy Queen Ivester 1892-1953, was from Habersham County, GA, nr. Clarksville, d/o Andrew Alexander Ivester (d. 1930) and Elizabeth Ann Franklin (d. 1933). My grandmother's IVESTER forebears (the name, earlier ISBISTER, comes from Orkney, islands off northernmost Scotland that were Scandinavian before they were Scottish) were among the first whites to settle in the NE GA hill areas c. 1823. Now, in addition to having IVESTER, FRANKLIN, HILL, WHEELER, and WHISENANT (MANY spelling variations on that last one) in Habersham County, GA, the maiden name of my MOTHER, born 1926 in Butler, PA, was WAID. My mother's immigrant ancestor was Nicholas Waid b. England abt. 1616 who landed in Scituate, Mass. about 1634. A few generations later, our lineal ancestors CAPT. AMOS WADE and his son SETH (I) WADE/WADE 1761?-1821? both saw service in the Revolution. Seth I married Rest Hathaway in Taunton, Mass. in 1787 and moved from Mass. about 1805/7 to Ontario County in western NY State; three of his five children (a sixth died young) moved to Crawford County, in western PA, abt. 1816. Seth I begain using WAID instead of WADE sometime around 1807, also. One of his sons, Williams Waid, was the father of Ozial Waid who married Sallie Bush. If unconfirmed reports be correct that Reynold Bush (immigrated to Cambridge, MA from Messing, Exxex, England 1634) is the immigrant ancestor of President Bush, then we're cousins as Sallie (my 2d great-grandmother) is definitely Reynold's descendant. My line is through Seth I's son Williams; there was a Seth II and a Seth III (the latter Williams' nephew) and he made a bad choice and joined the invading Yankees in the War of Northern Aggression, and lived to write a memoir of his service. Through the wife of Williams Waid, Abigail Skinner, I am descended also from the Rev. James Fitch, 1622-1702, a Puritan luminary of colonial CT and co-founder of the City of Norwich. Now a published work on WADE/WAID (early 20th c.) reports that Captain Amos had numerous children, and that many of them "went South." It would be great fun to find, some kind of karmatic blessing, that my MA>NY>PA Wade/Waid kin are connected to either or both of Habersham Co., GA and Jackson Co., FL, such faraway places (from my mother's birthplace in PA) where my dad's parents were born. Any aroma that takes Habersham or Jackson Co. WADE/WAID people back to 1600s Mass. would be of great interest to me. Thanks! Geoffrey Pope White Plains, NY 2d great-grandson of William Stuart (I) Pope 1789-1837 ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2001 9:32 AM Subject: [FLJACKSO] Native Americans > In a message dated 11/8/01 9:03:20 AM Eastern Standard Time, > [email protected] writes: > > << Talk about serendipity! >> > > Hi Richard, Dale and Geoffrey, > > Amen and Amen. This is indeed a small world. I think whole communities > moved together in those days. Thanks to all of you for such good info. > > I am looking for info on my g-grandmother, Hettie MITCHELL b. abt 1857 Ala. > She married Jesse BOYETTE b. abt 1850 Ala. By 1900 she had died and Jesse > and his 8 children were in Jackson Co., Fla. Hettie was reportedly part > Creek/Cherokee. They too tried to live as whites and little was ever told > abt the native american background. My grandmother, Ella BOYETTE b. 1878 > Butler Co., Ala married E.H. HOLCOMB b. 1881 Habersham Co., Ga. Now part is > Banks Co. E.H was the son of William Russell Holcomb and Tempy Ellen Wade > (Waid), both of Habersham Co. Ga. So I am looking for any and all info on > native americans and what was happening in this area during that time. I > wonder why Jesse Boyette bought his family to Jackson Co?? Relatives, jobs > and etc?? Thanks, Richard ,for the URL site. June. > > > > ============================== > Ancestry.com Genealogical Databases > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/rwlist2.asp > Search over 2500 databases with one easy query! >

Wayne Carpenter found out the info on Long's Cane Grinding... James ----- Original Message ----- From: "wnc1933" <[email protected]> To: "James L. Edenfield" <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2001 2:09 PM Subject: Re: [FLJACKSO] Long's Cane Grinding, Two Eggs, FL > Syrup day in Two Egg, Fla. First Saturday in > December. Breakfast starts about 7: 30 a.m. CST. Avaible will be syrup, > cane juice, slabs of B-B-Q ribs and chicken. > Wayne

Hello Everyone! I am new to the list and desperately need some help! I am searching for the family of William Maloy, Sr. His son,William Maloy, Jr. (middle initial may have been either M or J), was born supposedly in Santa Rosa Co, FL but Santa Rosa Co was not formed until 1842.So, he was probably born in Escambia Co. in the area where Santa Rosa is now. In 1850 census, I have located Maloys in 6 Counties in theFL panhandle and in 14 Counties in AL, 5 of these are just north of the FLpanhandle. There is a Harriet Maloy shown in both Holmes and Jackson Counties, FL in the 1850Census. She must have lived on the line and was counted by both sides! This wasWilliam Maloy's wife's name and may be the one we are looking for but noevidence other than the census. This is the line: Descendants of William Maloy, Sr. 1 William Maloy, Sr. .. +Harriet Forhand ......... 2 William M. Maloy 1840 - 1929 ............. +MaryLouise (Mary Jane) Brown 1850 - 1943 Does anyone have any prospective leads or suggestions forme? I have a Maloy/Malloy/Molloy Data Base of 4434 persons andwill search it for anyone with a lost relative. I too would appreciate any hints or suggestions for a lead! Best Regards Roy Eastes Gulfport, MS

Hello Everyone! I am searching for the family of William Maloy, Sr. His son, William Maloy, Jr. (middle initial may have been either M or J), - was born supposedly in Santa Rosa Co, FL but Santa Rosa Co was not formed until 1842. So he was probably born in Escambia Co. in the area where Santa Rosa is now. In 1850 census, I have located Maloys in 6 Counties in theFL panhandle and in 14 Counties in AL, 5 of these are just north of the FLpanhandle. There is a Harriet Maloy shown in both Holmes and Jackson Counties, FL in the 1850Census. She must have lived on the line and was counted by both sides! This wasWilliam Maloy's wife's name and may be the one we are looking for but noevidence other than the census. Acording to family stories there is a connection to Native Americans somewhere. This is the line: Descendants of William Maloy, Sr. 1 William Maloy, Sr. .. +Harriet Forhand ......... 2 William M. Maloy 1840 - 1929 ............. +MaryLouise (Mary Jane) Brown 1850 - 1943 Does anyone have any prospective leads or suggestions forme? I have a Maloy/Malloy/Molloy Data Base of 4434 persons and will search it for anyone with a lost relative. I would appreciate any hints or suggestions for a lead! Best Regards Roy Eastes Gulfport, MS

Does anyone know anything about Florida Territorial Governor Robert Raymond Reid who served circa 1840? Thanks, Cindy

In a message dated 11/8/01 9:03:20 AM Eastern Standard Time, [email protected] writes: << I don't know how anyone else feels about that, but I consider it to be a tragedy in and among and capping many other tragedies going back over a long-long period time, in the history of the Native Americans of the Southeast. >> Richard, I most certainly agree. It seems even today that Native Americans are still not compensated for the loss of their lands as much as the blacks of today have been and the NA's have been here thousands of years. I'm not trying to start anything, just making an observation abt todays politics. To cap it all, so much NA history has been lost, never to be known. So sad for us all. June.

In a message dated 11/8/01 9:03:20 AM Eastern Standard Time, [email protected] writes: << Talk about serendipity! >> Hi Richard, Dale and Geoffrey, Amen and Amen. This is indeed a small world. I think whole communities moved together in those days. Thanks to all of you for such good info. I am looking for info on my g-grandmother, Hettie MITCHELL b. abt 1857 Ala. She married Jesse BOYETTE b. abt 1850 Ala. By 1900 she had died and Jesse and his 8 children were in Jackson Co., Fla. Hettie was reportedly part Creek/Cherokee. They too tried to live as whites and little was ever told abt the native american background. My grandmother, Ella BOYETTE b. 1878 Butler Co., Ala married E.H. HOLCOMB b. 1881 Habersham Co., Ga. Now part is Banks Co. E.H was the son of William Russell Holcomb and Tempy Ellen Wade (Waid), both of Habersham Co. Ga. So I am looking for any and all info on native americans and what was happening in this area during that time. I wonder why Jesse Boyette bought his family to Jackson Co?? Relatives, jobs and etc?? Thanks, Richard ,for the URL site. June.

Richard, Pope's was several miles south of Econchatimico's reserve, near the southern border of Three Rivers State Recreation Area. Econchatimico's reservation was up the Chattahoochee River in the vicinity that later was known as Port Jackson or Butler Landing. Yellow Hair and Mullato King's Reservation was on the sharp curve of the Apalachicola where the now-defunct Jackson County Port Authority was located. Best, Dale

Sigh... You make it sound so easy... <G> So Pope's was in the near vicinity of Econchatimico's Reservation? RW [email protected] wrote: > Richard and All, > > Pope's was a settlement located in the vicinity of today's Sneads. The > actual site, as I have always been told, was to the northwest of the modern > town where the old Pensacola to St. Augustine Trail made a a bit of a curve. > > Among the prominent early residents of this community was Dr. John Gorrie, > who later relocated to Apalachicola and, as we all know, invented a machine > to make ice. The ruins of his home can still be seen. > > The large swamp area beneath the U.S. 90 bridge as you cross from > Chattahoochee to Sneads is known locally as Pope's Lake, although the actual > lake is a bit north of the bridge and just south of Jim Woodruff Dam. > > Best, > > Dale

Richard and All, Pope's was a settlement located in the vicinity of today's Sneads. The actual site, as I have always been told, was to the northwest of the modern town where the old Pensacola to St. Augustine Trail made a a bit of a curve. Among the prominent early residents of this community was Dr. John Gorrie, who later relocated to Apalachicola and, as we all know, invented a machine to make ice. The ruins of his home can still be seen. The large swamp area beneath the U.S. 90 bridge as you cross from Chattahoochee to Sneads is known locally as Pope's Lake, although the actual lake is a bit north of the bridge and just south of Jim Woodruff Dam. Best, Dale

Geoffrey... Talk about serendipity! I didn't think to ask about it in the particular message you responded to, but I have been trying to discover what and where Pope's was and have been asking around. I saw the signature... and figure that he probably also had a store or "trading post". Could you tell me exactly where (in today's terms) your 2-great grandfather's home was...? It's not that I particularly expect that you can... but I can always hope. <G> RW Geoffrey Pope wrote: > Dear Richard and Friends: > The "Pope's Fayette County" Treaty with the Apalachicola rang a bell, as > Fayette County was of course a short-lived carve-out most of which was and > is in present-day Jackson County, and my second great-grandfather, William > Stuart Pope 1789-1837, lived there. > > This treaty was done at "Pope's in Fayette County" and, sure enough, Wm. S. > Pope signed the treaty and is designated as "sub-agent." (Thanks, Richard, > for the URL to the treaty texts). > > William and wife Harriet Scurlock were amongst the earliest settlers in > Jackson/Gadsden in 1820, their descendants occupy a good part of the Pope > Cemetery nr. Sneads, and I am curious regarding William's activities in > respect of the Native Americans, and also the possible cause of his death in > 1837 age only about 48. > > Anyone that can illuminate either of these issues, or has any other info > regarding William, is asked to kindly share it with me. > > My line, by the way, is Samuel I Pope d. Craven Co. NC 1758 and wife Sarah; > Samuel II Pope b. Craven Co. 1752? d. Barnwell Dist. SC 1818 and wife > Margaret 1765?-d. Savannah 1819; William (I) Stuart and Harriet; William > Samuel 1824-1904 and Mary Rowe 1841-1882 d/o Stephen Hiram Rowe and Nancy > Bird; William (II) Stuart 1864-1949 and Macy Ivester from Habersham Co., GA > 1892-1953; William (III) Pope b. Sneads 1922, my father, m. Ann Waid > 1926-1986 from PA which is why I live Up Nawth. > > Best wishes. > > Geoffrey Pope > White Plains, NY > > al Message ----- > From: "Richard White" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2001 1:30 PM > Subject: Re: [FLJACKSO] Choconeola Reservation > > > > June... > > > > I will do MUCH better than giving you treaty dates... > > > > Here is an URL from which you can read the entire text of all of these > > treaties... actually all US treaties with Native Americans: > > http://www.councilfire.com/treaty/index.html > > > > Just remember that the first one, Moultrie Creek, was in essence revoked > by > > the other three that I named: Tallahassee, Pope's Fayette County, and > Payne's > > Landing. > > > > As to still residing on the Reservations (there were 4 reservations set > > aside... 1 of which was I believe essentially forfeited by Neamathla after > he > > plotted to kill Governor DuVal and destroy Tallahassee)... No. The > > Reservations were gone. The Creeks living on them were supposedly Removed > to > > Texas (then a part of Mexico) in 1834 or to Arkansas Territory, now the > state > > of Oklahoma)... and were reclassified as Seminoles by the government in > the > > process. But oral history and some written history indicates that some > never > > left and that others came back to the Apalachicola/Chattahoochee River > area. > > Many folks living in the area still today, or coming from the area, know > of > > their Creek ancestry and have a living tradition as Creeks going > continuously > > back to these times and before. But others... and I think that my Hair(e) > > family was one... forfeited their Creek culture and history in an attempt > to > > pass as White. In doing this, they didn't do it just because they up and > > wanted to... but because it was illegal to be Creeks or Seminoles living > in > > Florida (or Georgia) and because they were liable to have their property > > confiscated and themselves perhaps even physically branded and definitely > > shipped to Indian Territory. There were advertisements in the newspapers > as > > late as the 1860s, and the laws were still on the books into the mid-20th > > century. > > > > I don't know how anyone else feels about that, but I consider it to be a > > tragedy in and among and capping many other tragedies going back over a > > long-long period time, in the history of the Native Americans of the > > Southeast. > > > > RW > > > > [email protected] wrote: > > > > > In a message dated 11/6/01 10:01:21 AM Eastern Standard Time, > > > [email protected] writes: > > > > > > << hese Reservations were > > > later revoked by the treaties of Tallahassee, Pope's Fayette County, > and > > > Payne's Landing. >> > > > > > > Very interesting and could someone pls post the dates of the revocation > of > > > these treaties and IF any native americians continued to reside on this > > > reservation til the 1900's. Thanks, June.

Dear Richard and Friends: The "Pope's Fayette County" Treaty with the Apalachicola rang a bell, as Fayette County was of course a short-lived carve-out most of which was and is in present-day Jackson County, and my second great-grandfather, William Stuart Pope 1789-1837, lived there. This treaty was done at "Pope's in Fayette County" and, sure enough, Wm. S. Pope signed the treaty and is designated as "sub-agent." (Thanks, Richard, for the URL to the treaty texts). William and wife Harriet Scurlock were amongst the earliest settlers in Jackson/Gadsden in 1820, their descendants occupy a good part of the Pope Cemetery nr. Sneads, and I am curious regarding William's activities in respect of the Native Americans, and also the possible cause of his death in 1837 age only about 48. Anyone that can illuminate either of these issues, or has any other info regarding William, is asked to kindly share it with me. My line, by the way, is Samuel I Pope d. Craven Co. NC 1758 and wife Sarah; Samuel II Pope b. Craven Co. 1752? d. Barnwell Dist. SC 1818 and wife Margaret 1765?-d. Savannah 1819; William (I) Stuart and Harriet; William Samuel 1824-1904 and Mary Rowe 1841-1882 d/o Stephen Hiram Rowe and Nancy Bird; William (II) Stuart 1864-1949 and Macy Ivester from Habersham Co., GA 1892-1953; William (III) Pope b. Sneads 1922, my father, m. Ann Waid 1926-1986 from PA which is why I live Up Nawth. Best wishes. Geoffrey Pope White Plains, NY al Message ----- From: "Richard White" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2001 1:30 PM Subject: Re: [FLJACKSO] Choconeola Reservation > > June... > > I will do MUCH better than giving you treaty dates... > > Here is an URL from which you can read the entire text of all of these > treaties... actually all US treaties with Native Americans: > http://www.councilfire.com/treaty/index.html > > Just remember that the first one, Moultrie Creek, was in essence revoked by > the other three that I named: Tallahassee, Pope's Fayette County, and Payne's > Landing. > > As to still residing on the Reservations (there were 4 reservations set > aside... 1 of which was I believe essentially forfeited by Neamathla after he > plotted to kill Governor DuVal and destroy Tallahassee)... No. The > Reservations were gone. The Creeks living on them were supposedly Removed to > Texas (then a part of Mexico) in 1834 or to Arkansas Territory, now the state > of Oklahoma)... and were reclassified as Seminoles by the government in the > process. But oral history and some written history indicates that some never > left and that others came back to the Apalachicola/Chattahoochee River area. > Many folks living in the area still today, or coming from the area, know of > their Creek ancestry and have a living tradition as Creeks going continuously > back to these times and before. But others... and I think that my Hair(e) > family was one... forfeited their Creek culture and history in an attempt to > pass as White. In doing this, they didn't do it just because they up and > wanted to... but because it was illegal to be Creeks or Seminoles living in > Florida (or Georgia) and because they were liable to have their property > confiscated and themselves perhaps even physically branded and definitely > shipped to Indian Territory. There were advertisements in the newspapers as > late as the 1860s, and the laws were still on the books into the mid-20th > century. > > I don't know how anyone else feels about that, but I consider it to be a > tragedy in and among and capping many other tragedies going back over a > long-long period time, in the history of the Native Americans of the > Southeast. > > RW > > [email protected] wrote: > > > In a message dated 11/6/01 10:01:21 AM Eastern Standard Time, > > [email protected] writes: > > > > << hese Reservations were > > later revoked by the treaties of Tallahassee, Pope's Fayette County, and > > Payne's Landing. >> > > > > Very interesting and could someone pls post the dates of the revocation of > > these treaties and IF any native americians continued to reside on this > > reservation til the 1900's. Thanks, June. > > > ============================== > Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy access to the #1 > Source for Family History Online. Go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=702&sourceid=1237 >