Glenda, There are no "experts" in local history. People often have different views, but the information is what is important. Please continue to contribute information as you have it. Best, Dale Cox

Duke, Do you by any chance have any information on who were the agents representing the Kentucky Deaf and Dumb Asylum in Jackson County? Where in Kentucky was this Asylum located? Specifically, I was wondering if there might have been one named Neely. I have been trying for years to find information on my ancestor George C. Neely, who is listed in the Jackson County 1850 census as having been born in Kentucky. He was born abt. 1812; George Neely was a farmer and probably moved to Florida and purchased a plot of land at Section 15 Township 6N Range 12W on 5/1/1855. Jackson County probate records indicate he died 3/8/1858. There were a couple of other Kentuckians listed in the Jackson County census; P.M. Parker (1850 census) and W. H. Price (1860). I have been wondering for a long time what might have brought someone all the way from Kentucky to Jackson County in the early 1800's and when I read your post it rang a bell. Thanks for any help you can give. ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2002 12:26 PM Subject: [FLJACKSO] Deaf and Dumb Asylum of Kentucky > Patricia, > > I am presently working on a project relating to Florida's 1826 Preemption Law > and have learned quite a bit about the Deaf and Dumb Asylum of Kentucky in > the process. That institution was never located in Jackson County or > anywhere else in Florida and was never intended to be. It is a one location > school in Danville, Kentucky established April 10, 1823. With the influence > of Henry Clay, two Federal land grants were obtained from Congress to support > the school. The first was on April 5, 1826, for one township of land to be > located in one of the territories by the Secretary of the Treasury. Florida > was selected. (Arkansas was selected for the second grant made in 1836.) > Then the fun began. Was the township to be one single unit encompassing > sections 1 through 36 like the one granted to the Marquis de Lafayette on the > edge of Tallahassee? Or could the agent for the Asylum pick and choose > smaller tracts of prime land spread around? Meanwhile, within days of > Congress passing the grant for the Asylum, it granted preemption rights to > those who were already inhabiting and cultivating land in Florida prior to > January 1, 1825. Until those claims were disposed of, it was impossible for > the Agent for the Asylum to identify a large tract of available land or even > several smaller tracts. In the end, the Asylum "had" to take its land in > many small tracts, with 53 patents issuing to it. I say "had" in quotes > because there is considerable advantage to choosing many small tracts, rather > than one or two large tracts that would surely include considerable > swampland. The result no doubt pleased the Asylum. Most of the land chosen > by the Asylum was in Jackson Co., but there was some located in other > counties of Florida. > > The object was not to use the land for the Asylum, but to sell it or rent it > to provide financing for the Asylum. To induce Congress to make the land > grant, it was pointed out that the Asylum could accommodate pupils from all > over the West and South. Ironically, one of the few states that never sent > any students there was Florida. > > I plan to put together web pages on both the Asylum's grants and the > preemption law. For several reasons the preemption law produced some > difficult issues. The preemption right was a right to buy (not a free grant) > one quarter section of land. The General Land Office liked to keep land > tracts in sections and quarter sections because it facilitated surveying. > That meant that a settler in the corner of say the Northeast quarter of > Section 3 would have the first right to buy the entire Northeast quarter. > But remember, the settling that entitled him to preemption rights occurred > before the land was surveyed. He had no idea where the boundaries of his > quarter section were when he settled there. So, his brother-in-law who > settled down the road a piece might also be located in the same quarter > section and also have preemption rights to that quarter section. That is > where it became fun. But that is a subject for another time. > > Duke Vickrey >

HEY ! It wasn't Gayle who was unsubscribing because of an overdose of SPAM. It was Ben Klein. Gayle was asking him ... but of course we know what he was talking about. He is probably subscribed in List rather than Digest mode and all that back-and-forth on the Ghost Towns would get pretty cumbersome if it was coming in one at a time; might even get to be a pain in the uknowhat ! So get off Gayle's back and talk to Ben ! Ms. Sheila Lilia Martin with a little help from ((( >^..^< ))) <=Mr. Puddy

Hi James, I was looking at the 1800 Barnwell,SC cenus today,and saw alot of Edenfields in there..Just thought Id let you know.

This is so interesting...thanks Duke,and will want too see that web page when you get it... Best Regards, Shirley ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2002 11:26 AM Subject: [FLJACKSO] Deaf and Dumb Asylum of Kentucky > Patricia, > > I am presently working on a project relating to Florida's 1826 Preemption Law > and have learned quite a bit about the Deaf and Dumb Asylum of Kentucky in > the process. That institution was never located in Jackson County or > anywhere else in Florida and was never intended to be. It is a one location > school in Danville, Kentucky established April 10, 1823. With the influence > of Henry Clay, two Federal land grants were obtained from Congress to support > the school. The first was on April 5, 1826, for one township of land to be > located in one of the territories by the Secretary of the Treasury. Florida > was selected. (Arkansas was selected for the second grant made in 1836.) > Then the fun began. Was the township to be one single unit encompassing > sections 1 through 36 like the one granted to the Marquis de Lafayette on the > edge of Tallahassee? Or could the agent for the Asylum pick and choose > smaller tracts of prime land spread around? Meanwhile, within days of > Congress passing the grant for the Asylum, it granted preemption rights to > those who were already inhabiting and cultivating land in Florida prior to > January 1, 1825. Until those claims were disposed of, it was impossible for > the Agent for the Asylum to identify a large tract of available land or even > several smaller tracts. In the end, the Asylum "had" to take its land in > many small tracts, with 53 patents issuing to it. I say "had" in quotes > because there is considerable advantage to choosing many small tracts, rather > than one or two large tracts that would surely include considerable > swampland. The result no doubt pleased the Asylum. Most of the land chosen > by the Asylum was in Jackson Co., but there was some located in other > counties of Florida. > > The object was not to use the land for the Asylum, but to sell it or rent it > to provide financing for the Asylum. To induce Congress to make the land > grant, it was pointed out that the Asylum could accommodate pupils from all > over the West and South. Ironically, one of the few states that never sent > any students there was Florida. > > I plan to put together web pages on both the Asylum's grants and the > preemption law. For several reasons the preemption law produced some > difficult issues. The preemption right was a right to buy (not a free grant) > one quarter section of land. The General Land Office liked to keep land > tracts in sections and quarter sections because it facilitated surveying. > That meant that a settler in the corner of say the Northeast quarter of > Section 3 would have the first right to buy the entire Northeast quarter. > But remember, the settling that entitled him to preemption rights occurred > before the land was surveyed. He had no idea where the boundaries of his > quarter section were when he settled there. So, his brother-in-law who > settled down the road a piece might also be located in the same quarter > section and also have preemption rights to that quarter section. That is > where it became fun. But that is a subject for another time. > > Duke Vickrey > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

Patricia, I am presently working on a project relating to Florida's 1826 Preemption Law and have learned quite a bit about the Deaf and Dumb Asylum of Kentucky in the process. That institution was never located in Jackson County or anywhere else in Florida and was never intended to be. It is a one location school in Danville, Kentucky established April 10, 1823. With the influence of Henry Clay, two Federal land grants were obtained from Congress to support the school. The first was on April 5, 1826, for one township of land to be located in one of the territories by the Secretary of the Treasury. Florida was selected. (Arkansas was selected for the second grant made in 1836.) Then the fun began. Was the township to be one single unit encompassing sections 1 through 36 like the one granted to the Marquis de Lafayette on the edge of Tallahassee? Or could the agent for the Asylum pick and choose smaller tracts of prime land spread around? Meanwhile, within days of Congress passing the grant for the Asylum, it granted preemption rights to those who were already inhabiting and cultivating land in Florida prior to January 1, 1825. Until those claims were disposed of, it was impossible for the Agent for the Asylum to identify a large tract of available land or even several smaller tracts. In the end, the Asylum "had" to take its land in many small tracts, with 53 patents issuing to it. I say "had" in quotes because there is considerable advantage to choosing many small tracts, rather than one or two large tracts that would surely include considerable swampland. The result no doubt pleased the Asylum. Most of the land chosen by the Asylum was in Jackson Co., but there was some located in other counties of Florida. The object was not to use the land for the Asylum, but to sell it or rent it to provide financing for the Asylum. To induce Congress to make the land grant, it was pointed out that the Asylum could accommodate pupils from all over the West and South. Ironically, one of the few states that never sent any students there was Florida. I plan to put together web pages on both the Asylum's grants and the preemption law. For several reasons the preemption law produced some difficult issues. The preemption right was a right to buy (not a free grant) one quarter section of land. The General Land Office liked to keep land tracts in sections and quarter sections because it facilitated surveying. That meant that a settler in the corner of say the Northeast quarter of Section 3 would have the first right to buy the entire Northeast quarter. But remember, the settling that entitled him to preemption rights occurred before the land was surveyed. He had no idea where the boundaries of his quarter section were when he settled there. So, his brother-in-law who settled down the road a piece might also be located in the same quarter section and also have preemption rights to that quarter section. That is where it became fun. But that is a subject for another time. Duke Vickrey

Dear Rich, You could "carve" your spam and enter it into the national contest that used to be an annual event. You could make a bunny rabbit shape and eat it on that roll you are ready for... Or you could submit it as an ART FORM. BTW, Spam is a little high in fat content, and sodium content if I remember correctly, so those of us who watch our figures: Eat reduced sodium reduced fat spam, or go for the "new" turkey spam. Di > ...Thank goodness I just purchased a 1000 > sheet pack...I'm ready to roll...Enjoy your SPAM sandwich

MERCY MERCY MERCY ... Now Gayle...I can't believe you have asked all of us for a DEFINITION ????? How many definitations do you want ??? Don't unsubscribe and become a GHOST to our list...With this list, somedays you might get a lot of BALONEY...somedays a little SPAM...but it's all good...Now don't confuse BALONEY and BOLOGNA...baloney is defined as nonsence (as this is ) and BALOGNA is something you eat between 2 slices of bread...Now you can also substitute BELOGNA for a little SPAM...and a little SPAM a day is good for the soul...just go make yourself a nice SPAM sandwich, whole wheat bread of course (the fiber will be good for you)...and a pot of coffee...kick back...and lets watch all the definitions of SPAM come through...this should carry us well past Easter....Speaking of Easter...Gayle...should you not want to eat rabbit or bunny around the Easter holidays...such a Rabbit over Rice...or Bunny-ka-bobs...did you know you can substitute the Bunny with a little SPAM ?...Now I hope you know this is a lot of BALONEY...not to be confused with BOLOGNA...Now go make that SPAM sandwich...and we'll wait for all the many definitions you requested to start rolling in...and get your printer filled with lots of paper...Thank goodness I just purchased a 1000 sheet pack...I'm ready to roll...Enjoy your SPAM sandwich. Rich Kennedy wrote: > Would you please give us your definitation of SPAM? > > Gayle > > > Please remove my name from your e-mail distribution lists. I never asked > > to be inundated with up to 50 SPAMs a day. If this cannot be done, then > > SPAM deserves SPAM in kind. > > > > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

James,I do have a record from the funeral home saying that John Peters was buried in Galilee United Methadist Church in Graceville,Jackson, County...When I went to the cemetery,I found his mother Annie Peters there,and near her was an unmarked grave..Now heres the problem,the death records say Johns buried there.What do I do now? Shall I go back to the cemetery,look for any other unmarked graves? I see that Johns sister Elizabeth Brock,Annies daughter is buried near Annie as well..Would it be best to take the records too the church? Thank you..Best Regards, Shirley ----- Original Message ----- From: James L. Edenfield <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2002 3:16 AM Subject: [FLJACKSO] "Ghostly" Places Index > I have added about 1500 more graves to the Master Cemetery > Index and posted them to the website.. > There are now over 66,000 .. > I have pretty well completed Washington Co., FL > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~fljackso/mindexes/mindexes.htm > > > James > > James L. Edenfield > Website: http://edenfield.org > Email: [email protected] > > > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

I have added about 1500 more graves to the Master Cemetery Index and posted them to the website.. There are now over 66,000 .. I have pretty well completed Washington Co., FL http://www.rootsweb.com/~fljackso/mindexes/mindexes.htm James James L. Edenfield Website: http://edenfield.org Email: [email protected]

Would you please give us your definitation of SPAM? Gayle > Please remove my name from your e-mail distribution lists. I never asked > to be inundated with up to 50 SPAMs a day. If this cannot be done, then > SPAM deserves SPAM in kind. > >

I was reminded when Betty's message about Asylums came up that the above Asylum of Kentucky had property all over Jackson Co. at one time. I don't know for sure if they ever located in Jackson County. Don't think they did though. The earliest purchase or grant of land (not sure how they obtained the land) by them that I found in the county was August 27, 1826. My ancestor was WILLIAM LEWIS. He purchased land Dec 29, 1826 which was in the same section as the Kentucky Asylum land. This was in Township 6N, Range 12W, Section 11. The Asylum owned the east half of this land and William owned the west half. Later William purchased the East half through the Asylum's agent R.C. ALLEN. Some of this I found in Land Grant Book "A" at the Jackson Co. courthouse. Patricia Long Dothan, Al [email protected]

WHAT sPAM ----- Original Message ----- From: Ben Klein <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2002 9:48 AM Subject: [FLJACKSO] UNSUBSCRIBE > Please remove my name from your e-mail distribution lists. I never asked > to be inundated with up to 50 SPAMs a day. If this cannot be done, then > SPAM deserves SPAM in kind. > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

There is no listing for such a bookstore in the 2002 Sprint directory, and ... except right at the intersection with Tharpe Street... Old Bainbridge Road is almost exclusively residential. In any case, it would seem to be a poor location for a bookstore. I suggest that you exercise caution... RW [email protected] wrote: >Can anyone give me a phone number for this bookstore? The address is 2309 >Old Bainbridge Road. > >Nanismith >

Please remove my name from your e-mail distribution lists. I never asked to be inundated with up to 50 SPAMs a day. If this cannot be done, then SPAM deserves SPAM in kind.

Isn't it interesting to see how many different interpretations of "ghost town" can come out of the woodwork. GLENDA - glad you posted the question - for this old fellow has enjoyed reading all the different answers. It brought back a lot of memories for me also. Do NOT let someone's comment keep you from posing a question in the future - it generates ENERGY - and we need that. Leonard Shores

Dear Glenda, I must have missed the beginning of the conversation. I still don't know what the uproar was all about. But sometimes I have tunnel vision. I prefer life to be full of sunshine, we have enough clouds as it is. I sometimes put on blinders and wander through ignoring the mess of the world. One thing you must remember, there are some people in this world that have to prove themselves to be the master of nothing that matters. As far as leaving the passing of info to the "experts" I think that would be a shame. Your information sparked a discussion, some pro some con. It was a catalyst. It made some people think. It made some people come out of their shells, even if only for a 2 sentence post. To the rest of them, those who would be critical- you also gave them a chance to air their greivances with life- by directing it at something as non-essential as the definition or proper usage of the word "Ghost". It taught some of us about areas we had never heard of, and gave some of us ideas to pass away a few hours holding hubby's hand and wandering through the woods. To some of us who have lived in the area, it brought enjoyment. We experienced pleasure at being reminded of places once here, now lost to the imagination of a time long past. So, please don't let others dictate what you do. Never be afraid to try something new. Remember this:~A lone amateur built the Ark ~~A large group of professionals built the Titanic ~ Dianne > This is my last comment, I promise. I enjoyed the discussion also. But the > > whole point seemed to have been lost in trying to decide whether or not the > > term "ghost" was relative to Florida. Actually I could care less what > James > Warnke called his book as long as the contents were accurate and relative > to > searchers. I thought those of you searching this area could use another > insite to info on old, ghost or whatever you would like to call them town, > mills, post office and etc. From now on I will leave the passing of info > to > the "experts". Glenda. > >

America's Vanishing Historic Asylums, State Hospitals, Sanitariums, County Homes, Medical Hospitals, and Other Institutions. http://darkspire.org/asylums/index.html#fl What a web site! Betty

In a message dated 3/22/02 11:02:59 PM Eastern Standard Time, [email protected] writes: << I should have said "Some of the comments".. I apology for the implication of "All comments" .. I enjoyed most of them and they DID contribute to the discussion.. Thanks! James >> This is my last comment, I promise. I enjoyed the discussion also. But the whole point seemed to have been lost in trying to decide whether or not the term "ghost" was relative to Florida. Actually I could care less what James Warnke called his book as long as the contents were accurate and relative to searchers. I thought those of you searching this area could use another insite to info on old, ghost or whatever you would like to call them town, mills, post office and etc. From now on I will leave the passing of info to the "experts". Glenda.

I would like to thank James Edenfield for all his hard work with these web sites that he has taken on and done such a great job. I just don't know where we would be with out him. When I send him something to put on a web page he gets it done and does it right. Thank You James.....