Sent to list by administrator. Ann Subj: [FLORIDA] Tally Rally  Date: 3/1/03 11:19:14 PM Eastern Standard Time From:<A HREF="mailto:pamcooper@bellsouth.net">pamcooper@bellsouth.net</A><A HREF="mailto:pamcooper@bellsouth.net"> </A> To: <A HREF="mailto:FLORIDA-L@rootsweb.com">FLORIDA-L@rootsweb.com</A> Sent from the Internet (Details) IT'S A GO! WE HAVE MORE THAN 250 PEOPLE WHO WILL BE RALLYING IN TALL[Y]AHASSEE! WE NEED YOUR HELP TO SAVE THE FLORIDA STATE LIBRARY, ARCHIVES AND MUSEUM. On Tuesday, at 10:30, Bush will be presenting his State of the State address at the Capitol and then the Legislative Session begins. At about 1:00 PM, we will go to the R. A. Gray Building and surround it with our arms and hands linked. Anybody want to give a blessing. <G> SCHEDULE 9:00-10:00 AM Meet on the steps of the Old Capitol Building - Flyers and pins will be handed out. About 10 am, start walking into the Capitol Building and make sure your signs are visible. 12:00 PM - Lunch on your own 1:00 PM - "Arms around the Gray Building" We will surround the R.A. Gray building with as many people as we can. I get goose bumps just thinking about it. <G> Do not block people from going in and out. Bring signs, pins, stickers, whatever you have to show your displeasure, but please no profanity. We want to appear professional and orderly. Theme Song: Blame it on the Bossa Nova (Blame it on Jeb Bush and Nova) I am staying at the DoubleTree and will be there Sunday and Monday night. I am looking forward to meeting so many of you who helped in this campaign. If you have not heard this, it is worth repeating. The President of the Senate, Jim King said the the "Library will stay put." Does that give us encouragement??? Yea!!! I hope that I will see you there! Any questions, I will be happy to answer. Pam Pam Cooper FGS/FSGS 2003 Conference Co-Chair < http://www.fgs.org > President, Florida State Genealogical Society < http://www.rootsweb com/~flsgs/ > Chair, Librarians Serving Genealogists < http://www.cas.usf edu/lis/genealib/ > P. O. Box 7066 Vero Beach, FL 32961-7066

Sent by List Administrator > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <A HREF="mailto:pamcooper@bellsouth.net">Pam Cooper</A> > To: <A HREF="mailto:floridatoday@yahoogroups.com">Floriday Today</A> > Sent: Saturday, March 01, 2003 11:11 PM > Subject: [floridatoday] State Library - No Problem ????? > > > I have been hearing that the Georgia lists and others think that the State > Library situation is no longer a problem. Recently, I was reminded by > Barratt Wilkins of a situation that happened about 15 years ago. > > Back in the 1980’s, the State Library gave the genealogy collection to the > State Archives and there was a lot of flap about that. The State Library > gave the Archives mostly family history and genealogy specific materials. >  Today, we can be grateful that most of them are now safe, temporarily (at > least for a year.) However, in order to compromise and make available to > genealogists the thousands of state, county and city history materials, the > State Library decided to keep them in their circulating collection. This is > now a part of the collection going to Nova University. Other items that you > can check out are Florida and Federal documents as long as there are two > other copies. > > For researchers of southeastern history, I have found in the State > Library catalog over 6300 books on local and genealogical history of six of > the southern states, by using the subject heading “[state] history.” > HOWEVER, many of them ARE located in the State Archives, but many are in > the circulating collection. Titles listed below are in circulation. > > Georgia 625 > "History of John [Virginia] Smith and his descendants in connection with > the tobacco industry in Gadsden County, Florida and Decatur County, > Georgia" [microform] > "Polk County, Georgia  " > Alabama 297 > "The administration of John Quinlan : second Bishop of Mobile, 1859-1883" > Mississippi 283 > "Country churchyards " > "Southern women and their families in the 19th century, papers and > diaries." [microform] > South Carolina 391 > "Lancaster County and the Great War, South Carolina " > North Carolina 539 > "Ashe County's Civil War : community and society in the Appalachian South " > Florida 3979 > > This subject heading cannot find every book. Therefore, an estimate of how > many books that can be circulated to researchers in Florida and other > states can be a lot higher, especially if you include all the local history > books from other states in New England and the Midwest. I found these for > New Jersey in the State Library: > Root & branch : African Americans in New York and east Jersey, 1613-1863 > Documents relating to the colonial history of the state of New Jersey, > [1631-1776] >   > If you visit the State Library, and peruse by dewey decimal number in the > 900's, I am sure that you will find a very extensive collection of books > that can be checked out with a State Library card free to all Florida > residents and is available on ILL for anyone in the U.S. But do not > overlook other areas in the library. >   > It is not my intention to get people upset about the books again, but it is > necessary that everyone realize this collection is valuable. And, taking it > away is like pulling the cornerstone and letting it all fall down slowly. > The whole DLIS and the Archives are both in an unstable situation and will > be for years to come if we don't have an amendment in the constitution to > protect the library and archives forever. >   > You may forward this to other lists if you so wish. >   > Pam > > > Pam Cooper > FGS/FSGS 2003 Conference Co-Chair < <A HREF="http://www.fgs.org/">http://www.fgs.org</A> > > President, Florida State Genealogical Society < <A HREF="http://www.rootsweb/">http://www.rootsweb</A> > com/~flsgs/ > > Chair, Librarians Serving Genealogists < <A HREF="http://www.cas.usf/">http://www.cas.usf</A> > edu/lis/genealib/ > > P. O. Box 7066 > Vero Beach, FL 32961-7066 > >

Hi Everyone: Ann and I exchanged emails earlier in the day about my response to the Governor's canned response to everyone who had sent him an email concerning his proposal to break up the State Archives and Library. She asked if she could send it in full and I suggested my bluntness with him might offend some so I would edit it and share. Dear Governor: Your proposal is a bad idea. It demonstrates your lack of understanding of the role of a State Library. It demonstrates your disdain for the Legislative process and the need and expectation of Voters for politicians to be knowledgeable representatives of the People. It demonstrates your financial link to Nova Southeastern supporting your current and future political aspirations. It demonstrates your disdain for the Florida residents and sons and daughters of Florida across the country and our ability to read agreements and follow the conversation and still manage to smell a rat. Let me help you out by summarizing my concerns with your proposal: * A State Library is an asset for all of the State and especially the persons at the Capitol who want to be informed Legislators and staff. Certainly there are still some. All state residents already have access to these documents through interlibrary loan and they can actually get ACCESS to the documents and get a LIBRARY CARD by simply coming to Tallahassee and completing the paperwork. The State Library is not a County Library. It should be compared to other State libraries in looking at its productivity. Your proposal will only make the documents accessible to Broward Co. residents and Nova students. Everyone else will have to do interlibrary loans. The real purpose of a library collection of related documents is to be able to sit among them and do research, following up with links in other documents while you are there and then being able to check them out if you need to. That will now only be possible for the good folks of Broward Co. That's not better access! , that is worse access, and almost everyone can see that except you. Even the Broward County Commissioners think this is a bad idea. Go figure. * You failed to offer any funds to FSU, a public university, even after significant reductions of their budgets; but readily rose to magnanimous levels of funding for Nova, a private university, to move and house these priceless documents. Why is that? ($10 million collection given away, $2 million the first year, $1 million thereafter) * The agreement provides no remedy (including removal of the collection from their possession) should Nova breach any of their requirements under the agreement, though I have to admit you and your folks did a wonderful job of not including too many. You essentially give this collection to Nova and once the documents are there, they are the property of Nova, regardless of the reason for the breach or termination of the contract. While you may have the ability to do this since the reorganization of the State, you still have to go to the Legislators for funding. And while you may be able to do this, it may come back to haunt you. Remember the Republicans (Newt who?) in Washington a few years ago that thought because they were in a slight majority that the voters had given them carte blanche to reform and destroy. Got their message loud and clear the next time the voters were allowed to speak, didn't they? And we do speak loud and clear, Mr. Bush. This isn't an oligarchy, we are still a democracy. We value our history in Florida and wish to preserve it and provide a vital resource to our Legislators who we expect to be knowledgeable and independent enough to seek the truth, past and present. I think you will find that the Florida people who you have such disdain for when they disagree with you aren't as cowed as some State employees who are being told they better not be involved in any of the p! rotests to dismantle the State Library, even on their own time. Just remember the old adage about the "Bigger they are, the harder they fall." Or as one of my Florida grandmothers use to say, "Don't get too big for your breeches". Some folks may decide to take you down to size (i.e. THE VOTERS). Sharon Come visit the family (30+ lines online) www.roadshometofl.com

HERE HERE!! --- sdmarsh <sdmarsh@flash.net> wrote: > Hi Everyone: > > Ann and I exchanged emails earlier in the day about > my response to the Governor's canned response to > everyone who had sent him an email concerning his > proposal to break up the State Archives and Library. > She asked if she could send it in full and I > suggested my bluntness with him might offend some so > I would edit it and share. > > Dear Governor: > > Your proposal is a bad idea. It demonstrates your > lack of understanding of the role of a State > Library. It demonstrates your disdain for the > Legislative process and the need and expectation of > Voters for politicians to be knowledgeable > representatives of the People. It demonstrates your > financial link to Nova Southeastern supporting your > current and future political aspirations. It > demonstrates your disdain for the Florida residents > and sons and daughters of Florida across the country > and our ability to read agreements and follow the > conversation and still manage to smell a rat. > > Let me help you out by summarizing my concerns with > your proposal: > > * A State Library is an asset for all of the State > and especially the persons at the Capitol who want > to be informed Legislators and staff. Certainly > there are still some. All state residents already > have access to these documents through interlibrary > loan and they can actually get ACCESS to the > documents and get a LIBRARY CARD by simply coming to > Tallahassee and completing the paperwork. The State > Library is not a County Library. It should be > compared to other State libraries in looking at its > productivity. Your proposal will only make the > documents accessible to Broward Co. residents and > Nova students. Everyone else will have to do > interlibrary loans. The real purpose of a library > collection of related documents is to be able to sit > among them and do research, following up with links > in other documents while you are there and then > being able to check them out if you need to. That > will now only be possible for the good folks of > Broward Co. That's not better access! > , that is worse access, and almost everyone can see > that except you. Even the Broward County > Commissioners think this is a bad idea. Go figure. > * You failed to offer any funds to FSU, a public > university, even after significant reductions of > their budgets; but readily rose to magnanimous > levels of funding for Nova, a private university, to > move and house these priceless documents. Why is > that? ($10 million collection given away, $2 > million the first year, $1 million thereafter) > * The agreement provides no remedy (including > removal of the collection from their possession) > should Nova breach any of their requirements under > the agreement, though I have to admit you and your > folks did a wonderful job of not including too many. > You essentially give this collection to Nova and > once the documents are there, they are the property > of Nova, regardless of the reason for the breach or > termination of the contract. > > While you may have the ability to do this since the > reorganization of the State, you still have to go to > the Legislators for funding. And while you may be > able to do this, it may come back to haunt you. > Remember the Republicans (Newt who?) in Washington a > few years ago that thought because they were in a > slight majority that the voters had given them carte > blanche to reform and destroy. Got their message > loud and clear the next time the voters were allowed > to speak, didn't they? And we do speak loud and > clear, Mr. Bush. This isn't an oligarchy, we are > still a democracy. We value our history in Florida > and wish to preserve it and provide a vital resource > to our Legislators who we expect to be knowledgeable > and independent enough to seek the truth, past and > present. I think you will find that the Florida > people who you have such disdain for when they > disagree with you aren't as cowed as some State > employees who are being told they better not be > involved in any of the p! > rotests to dismantle the State Library, even on > their own time. Just remember the old adage about > the "Bigger they are, the harder they fall." Or as > one of my Florida grandmothers use to say, "Don't > get too big for your breeches". Some folks may > decide to take you down to size (i.e. THE VOTERS). > > Sharon > Come visit the family (30+ lines online) > www.roadshometofl.com > > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion > online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/

----- Original Message ----- From: "Governor Jeb Bush" <Jeb.Bush@MyFlorida.com> To: <gnw@rose.net> Sent: Friday, February 28, 2003 5:38 PM Subject: State Library Relocation Dear Friend: Over the past several weeks, I have listened closely to the various views and responses to my proposals regarding the Division of Library and Information Services and the circulating collection of the State Library. I have been impressed by the passion and commitment to libraries and the unwavering support for the State Library shared by librarians, educators, scholars and citizens alike. I sincerely appreciate the concerns shared by the citizens of this great state when it comes to the preservation of our state's published history and the protection of our libraries. I would like to take this opportunity to thank you for taking the time to share your thoughts with me on this important matter. I would also like to take this opportunity to share with you the reasoning behind my proposal and to clear up some misconceptions which have been circulated. First and foremost, I do not favor, and have not proposed, the elimination of the permanent collection of the State Library or the State Archives. This one-of-a-kind collection, which includes the published and unpublished history of the state from the time it was a territory until present day, such as maps, state agency publications, journals and diaries, photographs, as well as books about the state, is a tremendous resource for scholars, educators, and all Floridians interested in our great state history. Under my proposal, this collection will continue to be housed in the R.A. Gray Building and supervised by a professional staff of librarians and archivists and appropriate support staff. However, I do propose moving the circulating collection of the State Library, which consists of general volumes of fiction and non-fiction, to Nova Southeastern University, for three reasons: First, the needs of public libraries have changed. The State Library of Florida began building its circulating collection to supplement the collections of small, rural, or economically disadvantaged communities. This supplemental collection was necessary until 1997, when every county in Florida began offering free public library service. Moreover, through the Florida Library Information Network, Florida's interlibrary loan service, all citizens have access to the collections of libraries throughout the state. In time, the Florida Electronic Library will allow user-generated interlibrary loans, making accessibility even easier. These are all great achievements, and credit should go to Florida's libraries, as well as the Division of Library and Information Services. Because of this success, however, a circulating collection based in Tallahassee is no longer necessary. The second reason I proposed this move is that it will increase accessibility to this circulating collection. The simple fact is that in its current location, the circulating collection is underutilized. Last year the circulation of this collection, including interlibrary loans, was just over 60,000. If that sounds like a lot, it's really not. Because of the low usage, the circulating collection actually cost, you, the Florida taxpayer, $184.62 per registered borrower last year, or $64 per circulation. Now, the third major reason I proposed this move, is to make the best use of taxpayer dollars. My budget recommendations support Florida's public libraries including $32.4 million for State Aid to Libraries, $6 million in federal Library Services and Technology Act funds, $1.2 million for library cooperatives, and $6 million for library construction projects. Our focus will be where it belongs: developing partnerships with Florida's communities. But part of what makes those recommendations possible is the $10.2 million in savings that taxpayers will realize by moving the circulating collection. In a very tight budget year with expensive constitutional amendments passed by the voting public, we must make sure that every tax dollar is spent wisely. Thankfully, our new agreement with Nova Southeastern University does not merely save money, it will actually increase the circulation of the collection. The Nova Southeastern University Library, Research, and Information Technology Center is a joint use library administered by Nova Southeastern University, an independent not-for-profit educational institution, and Broward County Libraries, a public library system. Nova's circulation last year was 421,659, or seven times the current circulation enjoyed by the collection. The Broward County Libraries have 1.3 million registered borrowers in a county with a population of 1.6 million, meaning that 82% of the service population has a library card from this institution. Any person who holds a card from any Broward County library and all employees and students at Nova will have direct access to the collection, while citizens everywhere will have access through Florida's interlibrary loan program. No Floridian will lose access to this collection, and thousands of Floridians will have better access to it, once this agreement is implemented beginning this July. Relocating the collection is one of the actions that we will take to allow the State Library to refocus on meeting the future needs of Florida's 469 public libraries and the citizens they serve. I now look to move forward in implementing other library priorities like the Florida Electronic Library, initiating a statewide library card, and expanding the Florida Library Information Network. The State Library of Florida and Archives will continue to collect, catalog, preserve, and make available the unpublished and published history of Florida. The future of the new agency is very bright, and I look forward to working with Secretary of State Glenda Hood and the entire new department as we work to create and preserve what I know will be the best state library and archives in the nation. I thank you again for taking the time to share your views and opinions with me. I hope this response has given you a clearer picture of my proposal and its benefits to all Floridians. Sincerely, Jeb Bush --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.459 / Virus Database: 258 - Release Date: 2/25/03

Everybody who sent him an email got exactly the same response. Unfortunately, it appears to be a rehash and much the same thing sent to the State's librarians a few days ago. Sharon Come visit the family (30+ lines online) www.roadshometofl.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Greg And Winnette" <gnw@rose.net> To: <FLHOLMES-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, March 01, 2003 7:16 AM Subject: [FLHOLMES] Fw: State Library Relocation > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Governor Jeb Bush" <Jeb.Bush@MyFlorida.com> > To: <gnw@rose.net> > Sent: Friday, February 28, 2003 5:38 PM > Subject: State Library Relocation > > > Dear Friend: > > Over the past several weeks, I have listened closely to the various views > and responses to my proposals regarding the Division of Library and > Information Services and the circulating collection of the State Library. I > have been impressed by the passion and commitment to libraries and the > unwavering support for the State Library shared by librarians, educators, > scholars and citizens alike. I sincerely appreciate the concerns shared by > the citizens of this great state when it comes to the preservation of our > state's published history and the protection of our libraries. I would like > to take this opportunity to thank you for taking the time to share your > thoughts with me on this important matter. > > I would also like to take this opportunity to share with you the reasoning > behind my proposal and to clear up some misconceptions which have been > circulated. First and foremost, I do not favor, and have not proposed, the > elimination of the permanent collection of the State Library or the State > Archives. This one-of-a-kind collection, which includes the published and > unpublished history of the state from the time it was a territory until > present day, such as maps, state agency publications, journals and diaries, > photographs, as well as books about the state, is a tremendous resource for > scholars, educators, and all Floridians interested in our great state > history. Under my proposal, this collection will continue to be housed in > the R.A. Gray Building and supervised by a professional staff of librarians > and archivists and appropriate support staff. > > However, I do propose moving the circulating collection of the State > Library, which consists of general volumes of fiction and non-fiction, to > Nova Southeastern University, for three reasons: > > First, the needs of public libraries have changed. The State Library of > Florida began building its circulating collection to supplement the > collections of small, rural, or economically disadvantaged communities. This > supplemental collection was necessary until 1997, when every county in > Florida began offering free public library service. Moreover, through the > Florida Library Information Network, Florida's interlibrary loan service, > all citizens have access to the collections of libraries throughout the > state. In time, the Florida Electronic Library will allow user-generated > interlibrary loans, making accessibility even easier. These are all great > achievements, and credit should go to Florida's libraries, as well as the > Division of Library and Information Services. Because of this success, > however, a circulating collection based in Tallahassee is no longer > necessary. > > The second reason I proposed this move is that it will increase > accessibility to this circulating collection. The simple fact is that in > its current location, the circulating collection is underutilized. Last > year the circulation of this collection, including interlibrary loans, was > just over 60,000. If that sounds like a lot, it's really not. Because of > the low usage, the circulating collection actually cost, you, the Florida > taxpayer, $184.62 per registered borrower last year, or $64 per circulation. > > > Now, the third major reason I proposed this move, is to make the best use of > taxpayer dollars. My budget recommendations support Florida's public > libraries including $32.4 million for State Aid to Libraries, $6 million in > federal Library Services and Technology Act funds, $1.2 million for library > cooperatives, and $6 million for library construction projects. Our focus > will be where it belongs: developing partnerships with Florida's > communities. > > But part of what makes those recommendations possible is the $10.2 million > in savings that taxpayers will realize by moving the circulating collection. > In a very tight budget year with expensive constitutional amendments passed > by the voting public, we must make sure that every tax dollar is spent > wisely. > > Thankfully, our new agreement with Nova Southeastern University does not > merely save money, it will actually increase the circulation of the > collection. > > The Nova Southeastern University Library, Research, and Information > Technology Center is a joint use library administered by Nova Southeastern > University, an independent not-for-profit educational institution, and > Broward County Libraries, a public library system. Nova's circulation last > year was 421,659, or seven times the current circulation enjoyed by the > collection. The Broward County Libraries have 1.3 million registered > borrowers in a county with a population of 1.6 million, meaning that 82% of > the service population has a library card from this institution. Any person > who holds a card from any Broward County library and all employees and > students at Nova will have direct access to the collection, while citizens > everywhere will have access through Florida's interlibrary loan program. No > Floridian will lose access to this collection, and thousands of Floridians > will have better access to it, once this agreement is implemented beginning > this July. > > Relocating the collection is one of the actions that we will take to allow > the State Library to refocus on meeting the future needs of Florida's 469 > public libraries and the citizens they serve. I now look to move forward in > implementing other library priorities like the Florida Electronic Library, > initiating a statewide library card, and expanding the Florida Library > Information Network. The State Library of Florida and Archives will > continue to collect, catalog, preserve, and make available the unpublished > and published history of Florida. The future of the new agency is very > bright, and I look forward to working with Secretary of State Glenda Hood > and the entire new department as we work to create and preserve what I know > will be the best state library and archives in the nation. > > I thank you again for taking the time to share your views and opinions with > me. I hope this response has given you a clearer picture of my proposal and > its benefits to all Floridians. > > Sincerely, > Jeb Bush > > > > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.459 / Virus Database: 258 - Release Date: 2/25/03 > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

As many of you that use MSN know there have been problems regarding receiving your mail from your rootsweb.com listS. As administrator of this list, I have received notices that many mails were undeliverable. I have checked into this, thought the problem was solved but am still receiving returned mail from "hotmail.msn.com" . instead of just msn.com Many of you may not be aware that MSN owns "Hotmail" also and because of this there have been problems. Here is the reply that I received after I had inquired about the problem. If you continue to have problems and don't think you are receiving your Holmes county mail let me know and I will check into it again. ahall10643@aol.com Here is the response in it's entirety. Ann ***********************************************************Subj: Re: Returned mail: hotmail.msn.com (Pat #235724)   Date: 2/28/03 12:13:49 AM Eastern Standard Time From: <A HREF="mailto:helpdesk-post@rootsweb.com">helpdesk-post@rootsweb.com</A> To: <A HREF="mailto:ahall10643@aol.com">ahall10643@aol.com</A> Sent from the Internet (Details) A response to your Help Desk message, "Returned mail: hotmail.msn.com," of Thu, 27 Feb 2003, at 9:55 a.m. follows:               ------------------------- ----- Transcript > of session follows ----- , , ... Deferred: Connection > timed out with hotmail.msn.com. Message could > not be delivered for 1 day Message will be deleted > from queue ANN WROTE: If MSN has corrected this problem > why am I (as listowner) still receivng "returned > mail" with "hotmail.msn.com" I > just received this notice of three of my subscribers > returned mail notice. What can they do? One of > them HAS indeed contacted MSN. Hi Ann, For about a week, MSN.com was refusing all mail from RootsWeb. That issue has apparently been resolved. However, the previous problems still exist. msn.com subscribers who have elected web mail for their account (hotmail.msn.com) usually receive the mail, even though MSN says it has bounced. Check the reason given. Any which give the reason as "250 unavailable" actually receive the mail. Since they are subbed as msn.com, and the bounces are coming from hotmail.msn.com, SmartList will not remove them. I just ignore the "250" bounces and delete them. Pat               -------------------------

Sorry for the double send for those who are not interested. Re-sending this since the forwarding of the previous mail left some of it un-readable. I have copied and pasted the info. Ann Administrator for the Holmes list. ************************************************************* State GS Prez Pam Cooper would like as many supporters of "the State Library being left in the RA Gray building" to let her know if you can make it to Tallahassee Tuesday ... she and others in Southern Florida will come IF there is support for the effort.  She has to know TONIGHT (Saturday) or Sunday AM in order to make arrangement to come up to Tallahassee for the day on Tuesday.  Please EMAIL her if you are willing to be among those who will bring signs and stand on the sidewalk with other supporters !  Her message said: If you can positively commit to attend, I want you to send an email to the following:                SaveFLStateLib@bellsouth.net As for contacting the state legislators, I also spoke with one of the Senators on the Appropriations committee and he said most of the Senators are against the move and the budget recommendations AND against the behind the scenes deals being hammered out !  He suggests that the House Reps are the ones we really need to get to ... to express our concerns for now and the future.  The State Archives staff have been told they will not be moved or "parcelled" out to other agencies for at least the near future, but as one staffer said, no one is writing any 5-Year Plans for the Archives !!  Everything is in the hands of the Legislature at this point.  We all know what the Governor and his Cabinet would have happen !  And there is no changing their minds ... If anyone wins the lottery this weekend, please save some of the money for the Library ! <Grin>

you will go to this site you can learn more about what Jeb Bush is planning now for the State Library. http://www.tallahasseedemocrat.com On the left of the page is a place to search. Type in state library and it will take you to the page. The first item on the page is the one to read. Click on that one. Margie Wiggins Lawrence

Hello list, Sorry for the duplication on the lists. Does anyone know these families? Joseph L Tutten and Lucile L Payne. He was born in 1892 Florida d 1961. She was born 1912 Geneva Co Alabama d 1955. They were married in Washington Co 2 Mar 1934. William Leslie or Lester Taylor and Bessie Payne. He was born 1890 Florida and d 1989. She was born 1904 Geneva Co Alabama and d 1984. They were married 26 Jul 1930 in Washington Co. All died in Washington Co Florida. I would like to email or write to any descendants of these two families. Are there any descendants out there???? or does anyone know any descendants living there in Washington Co or close by? Thank you, Judy Barrett

Does anyone know who this is? He would have been living in Geneva or in Holmes County around 1862/1863. He fathered Caroline Woodall, born Sept. 12, 1863 in Geneva. Her mother was Mary Woodall. Caroline Woodall later married Jesse Oliver Lewis around 1881. Do these names sound familiar to anyone? Meriah

Max and all, I have some Millers that I need first names for if someone can help. I have the Washington Co. marriages. They could be in Alabama or FL. Harriet L. Russ mar. ________________Miller Jenell Taylor mar.__________________Miller John B. Hicks mar_______________________Miller Velma V. Kirkland______________________Miller If anyone has these spouses, I would appreciate your help. Lucille Griffin Collins

I don't have any of these people in my database. I even looked up Velma Kirkland in my Kirkland book. When were these people living. If you give me that imfo, I might be able to find them in my census database. Janice Redmon Smith --- LGC0621@aol.com wrote: > Max and all, > > I have some Millers that I need first names for if > someone can help. I have > the Washington Co. marriages. They could be in > Alabama or FL. > > Harriet L. Russ mar. ________________Miller > Jenell Taylor mar.__________________Miller > John B. Hicks mar_______________________Miller > Velma V. Kirkland______________________Miller > > If anyone has these spouses, I would appreciate your > help. > Lucille Griffin Collins > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion > online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/

Oh, Max & Michael, I forgot! William Roy Miller was the 2nd child of John Wesley Miller and Sarah Sallie Faircloth. 1. Susie Mae Miller 2. William Roy Miller 3. Cecil G. Miller 4. Hubert Miller 5. Leonard Miller 6. Lonzie Miller 7. KATIE WYNELL MILLER 8. Lannie Marie Miller 9. WR Miller I ask Katie about the other middle names and she doesn't know them right off. She said, she check into it for me. Janice Redmon Smith --- Janice Redmon Smith <lippy01@yahoo.com> wrote: > Michael & Max, > > WR Miller is my husband's uncle. He is the youngest > of the John Wesley Miller and Sarah Sallie Faircloth > children. His name is just WR Miller. That is the > way it is on his birth certificate. Granny Miller > wanted to name him something else but it ended up WR > so that's what he is called. We sometimes call him > Uncle Dub but his legal name is WR. > Janice Redmon Smith > wife of Stanley Dale Smith > son of Katie Wynell Miller > sister of WR Miller __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/

Michael & Max, WR Miller is my husband's uncle. He is the youngest of the John Wesley Miller and Sarah Sallie Faircloth children. His name is just WR Miller. That is the way it is on his birth certificate. Granny Miller wanted to name him something else but it ended up WR so that's what he is called. We sometimes call him Uncle Dub but his legal name is WR. Janice Redmon Smith wife of Stanley Dale Smith son of Katie Wynell Miller sister of WR Miller --- Max Yates <xamilil@wfeca.net> wrote: > Michael, > > Thanks for sending the W.R. Miller article. I am not > aware of any relation, but he was my bus driver the > one year I attended Bethlehem, abt 1975. It was nice > reading the story. > Regarding the Leavins, they are (for me) abt like > trying to figure the Pates. (not easy) > > [s/o Elijah] - Andrew Jackson Leavins Sr. 7 Jun > 1847/FL. - 9 Jun 1935/FL. bur Otter Crk. w/wife > Deliah Willis > 1850 Holmes, FL. Pg:280B > 1860 Cerrogordo, Holmes, FL. Pg:715A > 1870 Miller, Holmes, FL. Pg:166B > 1920 Bonifay, Holmes, FL. ED:75/Pg:251A > > [s/o Matthew] - William Jackson Leavins 13 Apr > 1841/FL. - 27 Apr 1923/FL. bur St. Johns w/wife > Sarah E. Yohn > 1850 Washington, FL. Pg:290 > 1860 Vernon, Washington, FL. Pg:993B > 1870 Yates Mill, Washington, FL. Pg:826B > 1920 St Johns Church, Holmes, FL. ED:71/Pg:204B > > Hope this helps, > Max > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Michael S. Barnes" <mbarnes@centurytel.net> > To: "'Max Yates'" <xamilil@wfeca.net> > Sent: Saturday, February 08, 2003 3:59 PM > Subject: RE: [FLHOLMES] Faircloth, etc > > Holmes County Advertiser > Wednesday, June 4, 1997 > Page 3 > > "A LONGTIME HOMES COUNTY SCHOOL BUS DRIVER FOR > BETHLEHEM HIGH SCHOOL > RETIRES....after 32 1/2 years of service. W.R. > Miller of the Bethlehem community... > > > I do not think WR was William Roy Miller. But this > needs more research. As > for Jackson Leavins; I am stumped. I am not being > too much help to you. > There seem to be more questions than answers. I was > unaware of there being > two born so closely together > > > > > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion > online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/

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I think I saw where someone on this site was researching Pons. I thought they might not have this information. Winnette Taken from the Cathedral Parish Records Baptisms 1768 - 1868 929.3 Sai http://www.drbronsontours.com/1800BAPT.html ----------------------------------------------- Pons, Rafaela Josefa Margarita b 18 Mar 1800 bap 22 Mar 1800 Antoni, of Villa Leon, Menorca (Antonio and Margarita Cardona) Beita Alsina (Bartlome and Maria Lluch) GP Miguel Sabate and Margarita Alcina =============== Pons, Catalina Juaa Genara b 19 Sep. 1800 bap 22 Sep 1800 Juan, native of Mahon, Menorca (Antonio and Margarita Cardona) Juana Andreu (Antonio and Maria Oliveras) GP Josef Bayano and Juana Alverti. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.455 / Virus Database: 255 - Release Date: 2/13/03

--part1_3e.2c1e7f6d.2b83ed8b_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --part1_3e.2c1e7f6d.2b83ed8b_boundary Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Return-Path: <FLORIDA-L-request@rootsweb.com> Received: from rly-xc01.mx.aol.com (rly-xc01.mail.aol.com [172.20.105.134]) by air-xc05.mail.aol.com (v90_r2.5) with ESMTP id MAILINXC53-0218114030; Tue, 18 Feb 2003 11:40:30 -0500 Received: from lists5.rootsweb.com (lists5.rootsweb.com [207.40.200.41]) by rly-xc01.mx.aol.com (v90_r2.6) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINXC19-0218113944; Tue, 18 Feb 2003 11:39:44 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by lists5.rootsweb.com (8.12.4/8.12.4) id h1IGdW6B012020; Tue, 18 Feb 2003 09:39:32 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2003 09:39:32 -0700 X-Original-Sender: pcooper@indian-river.lib.fl.us Tue Feb 18 09:39:31 2003 From: "Pam Cooper" <pcooper@indian-river.lib.fl.us> Old-To: <FLORIDA-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2003 11:46:37 -0500 Message-ID: <NGEKKGABAFDMMBAKMEAJOEJICHAA.pcooper@indian-river.lib.fl.us> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Importance: Normal Subject: [FLORIDA] FW: A FOLLOW UP ON YESTERDAY'S MEETING IN TALLAHASSEE Resent-Message-ID: <Scl2zD.A.c7C.EHmU-@lists5.rootsweb.com> To: FLORIDA-L@rootsweb.com Resent-From: FLORIDA-L@rootsweb.com X-Mailing-List: <FLORIDA-L@rootsweb.com> archive/latest/6955 X-Loop: FLORIDA-L@rootsweb.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: FLORIDA-L-request@rootsweb.com Please forward this to every listserv. -----Original Message----- From: Nick Wynne [mailto:wynne@flahistory.net] Sent: Tuesday, February 18, 2003 11:30 AM To: pcooper@INDIAN-RIVER.LIB.FL.US Subject: A FOLLOW UP ON YESTERDAY'S MEETING IN TALLAHASSEE As I mentioned in my e-mail last night, I attended the public hearing of the Florida Historical Commission in the R. A. Gray Building. What a strange experience! Ying and yang! * It was delightful to see a large number of professional colleagues assembled for the purpose of protesting this assault against the historical programs of Florida. * It was appalling to hear Anna Estes, the Legislative Analyst from the Office of Program Policy Analysis and Government Accountability, whose agency reviewed the operations of the various cultural programs in the State Department, state that, with the exception of a few minor efficiencies, APPAGA saw no need for drastic or dramatic changes in the operations of these agencies. * It was appalling to hear Teresa Tinker, Bush's Policy Coordinator, from the Growth Management and Strategic Policy Unit in the governor's office, announce that the Bush administration would be concluding a deal Monday or Tuesday to transfer the State Library to some other institution (read Nova Southeastern). * It was appalling to hear Ms. Tinker casually say that the State Museum would be allowed to stay under the Department of State for one more year, but offer nothing positive about the lost positions or about the future of the Museum after this one-year delay. * It was delightful to hear the audience respond with boos and hisses at some of the most outrageous and logically distorted claims by Ms. Tinker were put forward. For example, leaving the State Museum in place for one year. * It was unusual (and to some state employees, intimidating) to have the entire procedure carefully monitored by the acting Secretary of State and his number 2 person. * It was discouraging to sit through a thirty minute discourse on how bills are passed in the Legislature and to realize that the Legislature has constructed a number of dead-ends for citizen input and that any real chance of influencing legislation does not come at the ballot box, but at the expense of hiring professional lobbyists who can dedicate themselves to a 24-hour-a-day monitoring of the complex apparatus that is the legislative process. * It was discouraging to hear the refrain that "everything is up to the Legislature" and to realize that the process (see above) is too cumbersome for average citizens with real issues to negotiate. * It was appalling to see apparently bright men and women abandon their consciences and do the "Jeb dance" for justification of the most immoral and unjust assault on cultural institutions and programs ever witnessed in the Sunshine State. (For a possible alternative to the Bush party line, consult e.e. cummings' "I Sing of Olaf" and repeat the refrain.) * It was delightful to get to the end of the carefully choregraphed presentations by members of the governor's team and hear from people like Bob Austin, Marion Almy, John Daniels and Ken Hardin explore the financial hardships that the proposed Bush plan will have on tourism, historic preservation, development and archaeology. Millions, possibly billions, of lost dollars are at stake! * It was delightful to hear the real anger of the "citizens" come out when the public portion of the hearing was opened. More than thirty citizens gave vent to their feelings toward the proposed programmatic, personnel and budget cuts of the Bush administration. If their reactions are any real judge, there will be "hell to pay" at the next election. * It was appalling to see the absence of any Democrat representative at the hearing to respond to these proposed changes. * It was appalling to learn that proposed legislation is "confidential" and cannot be reviewed or commented on by citizens until AFTER it has been placed on the legislative docket! Keep the people in the dark! * It was delightful to see people like Florida Historical Commission member Lex MeKeithen of Wellborn express dismay and anger at the entire process. That is my quick take. I was not present when the "white paper" was agreed upon, but I would be willing to bet that it will be accommodating to the governor's rape of the historical/cultural programs. It is a commission appointed by the governor, the Speaker and the President of the Senate. Its membership has two Department of State employees. The hearing was held in a government building and was carefully monitored by the Secretary of State, the Director of the State Library, and by other employees of the Department. Only incoming Secretary of State Glenda Hood was absent, BUT her imminence was invoked reverentially by Ms. Tinker on several occasions. I can only assure each of you that the upcoming meeting in Cocoa on Wednesday, February 19, will be certified 100% government-spokesperson FREE. Come if you can. --part1_3e.2c1e7f6d.2b83ed8b_boundary--