Ed, I just came from the de la Rua funeral and have to go out on some more errands. Since I am helping put together some articles on them for the Heritage Book, I do want to talk to you about this. More later. Cynthia

Dr. de la Rua's obituary and accompanying bio appeared in yesterday's News Journal. The article said that Dr. de la Rua's ancestor Juan de la Rua was married to Mariana Bonifay and ran the Bonifay brick yard in Gull Point. I believe this is wrong on two points: (1) Juan de la Rua was married to Mariana's daughter Marguerite (Margretta), and (2) the Bonifay brick yard was not at Gull Point, but about three miles south (near Gabaron Point). Can anyone confirm or otherwise add to this information? Edward Richter

On one of the censuses, there is an Amanda Medlock in the household. She was not in the wills however. I think she may have been Martha Amanda but not sure. "If there are no dogs in heaven, then when I die I want to go where they went." Will Rogers

This Walter R Medlock had a wife named Louisa , no last name. He evidently died before 1863 as his children are mentioned in the wills of Moses and Nancy Perryman Medlock. His children are listed as: Lucius "Bud", married Ida Gentry, buried in Crary Memorial , Bluff Springs Fl with their daughter, Beatrice. Lucretia, MAY have married Peter Bell Dec 11 1881 in Jefferson, AL Martha , born May 1855 Mary Jane , no further info Nancy, no more info Lucinda, no more info There is a John Medlock on the census in this household, but evidently too young to be a son, maybe a grandchild. Any info on the above will be most appreciated. Emma in NM Will Rogers

I don't think we can separate our search for family history from access to the repositories into which records have been entrusted ... The State Library has become a political football ... not by our doing. Copies of many of the family and county or city histories that have been written are the result of research in both the State Library and the State Archives. When the Library and Archives split into two separate state entities about 20 years ago, many of the books about the states out of which our forebears came went to the Library collection. We all take a deep breath when we hear that some "old" local records are being destroyed to make room. I know I do. And being in Tallahassee, I will miss the books on Virginia, Maryland, and the Carolinas when they go to Fort Lauderdale.

Cynthia, According to Jesse Earle Bowden in Iron Horse in the Pinelands (p.13), the track ran east from Muscogee to the Alabama and Florida RR at 15 Mile Station, and in parenthesis after 15 Mile Station he wrote "(Cantonment"). Duke

Bob and Duke, I looked at the web page Bob mentioned http://www.rootsweb.com/~flescamb/civwar.htm In the section by Bernie Short - 1862 - it mentions a track beinging completed between Muscogee and 15-Mile Station and has (Cantonment) right after 15-Mile Station. I guess that makes sense, because Muscogee Rd. runs west from Cantonment to Muscogee. However, in a book I have called Pensacola During the Civil War by George F. Pearce, on p. 145 there is a small map which shows 15 Mile Station and right under that in parentheses it says (Gonzalez). Oakfield is also on the map and appears to be about 7-8 miles south of the dot for 15-mile Station. I don't know if the author meant Gonzalez was the same as 15-Mile Station, or if if was just showing Gonzalez to be south of 15-Mile Station. In the same section at 1863 , it says "Federals scout from Pensacola to Oakfield." In the next part submitted by Lee Scott, it mentions nine horsement approaching Fort McLellan on the Oakfield Rd.. I don't know of Fort McLellan. We still have an Oakfield Rd. on our Pensacola maps. Lee Scott is on this list, and she just wrote an email, so maybe she will answer and shed some light on it. Cynthia

Cynthia, My guess is that you have the right Oakfield. My Civil War map shows the first station on the Alabama and Florida RR north of Pensacola as being called Oakfield. As you pointed out, it is about 6 miles north and not 15. Cantonment is about 15 miles north. It seems to me that it was originally called 10 mile, but maybe it was 15 mile. Continuing on to Pollard, the stations after Pensacola were Oakfield, Gonzales, Bayard's, Shade's, Cooper's, Molino, Pine Barren, Milner's, Bluff Springs, and then Pollard. Duke Vickrey

I have a pension application which mentions Oakfield and Fifteen Mile House as the location where a Civil War soldier was killed and buried. This was supposedly in Escambia County, Florida and not too far from Pollard, Escambia County, Alabama. There is a mention of Oakfield on the Escambia County Civil War Chronology page at http://www.rootsweb.com/~flescamb/civwar.htm as shown below but I'm at a loss to find where it was located. 1863 17 Feb -- Federals scout from Pensacola to Oakfield. Can anyone shed any light on this? Bob Bryan

If you haven't already, post this question to the "Alabama In The Civil War" website-you'll most likely obtain several relevant answers. http://history-sites.com/cgi-bin/boards/alcwmb/ ----- Original Message ----- From: <BBryan84@aol.com> To: <FLESCAMB-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 10:12 AM Subject: [FLESCAMB] Oakfield, Fifteen Mile House location > I have a pension application which mentions Oakfield and Fifteen Mile House > as the location where a Civil War soldier was killed and buried. This was > supposedly in Escambia County, Florida and not too far from Pollard, Escambia > County, Alabama. There is a mention of Oakfield on the Escambia County Civil > War Chronology page at http://www.rootsweb.com/~flescamb/civwar.htm as shown > below but I'm at a loss to find where it was located. > > 1863 > 17 Feb -- Federals scout from Pensacola to Oakfield. > > Can anyone shed any light on this? > > Bob Bryan > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

I am curious about that, too. The Oakfield I know about is north of Airport Blvd, (formerly Kilbee Lane) and west of the I-110. There used to be a big house there owned by the Maxwell family and is now a subdivision. I don't think that's 15 miles from town, though--more like 6. I may have extended as far West as Palafox. I would really like to know more about this. Were there two places known as Oakfield? Cynthia

Dear Folks, Lest I be misunderstood, I do not object to facts on relevant topics being posted here. I DO object to partisan back biting and name calling. Someone had posted a new list for political discussions. Will you please re-post the url for that so that people who feel they must vent their political emotions may go there and leave the genealogy lists in peace. I feel that if we all unsubscribe, the majority is surrendering to a few vitriolic people, not a good thing. Thank you . Emma

In case you did not get to attend the Rally or have not heard anything about how it went, here is a message from one of the regular users of the State Library and Archives (I see him there a lot on Saturdays). I was there too and was very pleased that our joined hands and outstretched arms reached around the R A Gray Building ... and a lot of honking from cars passing by seemed to me to indicate they agree !! SAVE OUR STATE LIBRARY !! Some of us also were inside the Capital Building and had our signs on display as the Reps and Senators came and went, and when Governor Bush and his Cabinet members entered to joint session in the House Chambers !! We gave voice to our wishes as he passed by. I think he knows we are out here, but keep the emails and letters and faxes coming ! Your Rep and Senator need to know what you want done. = = = = = = X-Message: #3 Date: Tue, 04 Mar 2003 20:01:48 -0500 From: Jeff Armstrong <karmstrong70@comcast.net> To: FLJACKSO-L@rootsweb.com Message-id: <000801c2e2b2$cdae1830$73a4820a@Jeffrey> Subject: [FLJACKSO] Florida State Archives/Library update Several hundred people gathered at the Florida State Library/Archives building today as a demonstration of support for the library and surrounded it as a symbolic token of preventing its closing. This demonstration was timed to coincide with Governor Bush's "State of the State" address at the state Capitol. A recommendation was made that everyone check out twenty books from the library (the maximal amount allowed) and not return them until the fate of the library has been settled, to prevent them from being sent elsewhere. For the moment, the Florida State Archives would appear to have been granted a reprieve. The fate of the State Library is still in question, however. The governor has stated that he can close the State Library on his own authority; but to do that he still needs money appropriated for that purpose by the State Legislature, and many of the state legislators, including the President of the Senate and Speaker of the House (both Republicans) have expressed opposition to doing that. It was felt that the overwhelming amount of mail and e-mails to state legislators had had an impact on saving the Archives, and it was strongly urged that the mail campaign be continued to save the State Library.

In a message dated 1/25/03 11:27:15 AM Eastern Standard Time, SMartin583@aol.com writes: > My stomach not only churns to think of the effect of such a move, but turns > every time I read his name. I feel the same about your name.

Greetings! I received the following letter via email, stating that it is from Gov. Bush. After reading it, the information obviously contradicts statements that have been circulating concerning the proposal of closing of the State Archives and who is in favor of it. This is the danger of involving ourselves in a political situation. This obviously involves genealogy, but it is apparent that someone is not being completely forthright and honest. At best, someone is "stretching the truth", at worst, someone is lying. I do not know either parties personally, so I do not know which account is the truth. One thing I have learned that in politics, both sides will often apply their "spin" to the truth, so there is often some truth and some "stretching" on both sides. Is this the case here? I personally would be outraged by the closing of the State Archives, but if my tax dollars are supporting a small number of people @ $184 per person(and those same people would still have access to the records another, less expensive way, I'd be for that. So where's the truth? Bill Blair Deland, FL Dear Friend: Over the past several weeks, I have listened closely to the various views and responses to my proposals regarding the Division of Library and Information Services and the circulating collection of the State Library. I have been impressed by the passion and commitment to libraries and the unwavering support for the State Library shared by librarians, educators, scholars and citizens alike. I sincerely appreciate the concerns shared by the citizens of this great state when it comes to the preservation of our state's published history and the protection of our libraries. I would like to take this opportunity to thank you for taking the time to share your thoughts with me on this important matter. I would also like to take this opportunity to share with you the reasoning behind my proposal and to clear up some misconceptions which have been circulated. First and foremost, I do not favor, and have not proposed, the elimination of the permanent collection of the State Library or the State Archives. This one-of-a-kind collection, which includes the published and unpublished history of the state from the time it was a territory until present day, such as maps, state agency publications, journals and diaries, photographs, as well as books about the state, is a tremendous resource for scholars, educators, and all Floridians interested in our great state history. Under my proposal, this collection will continue to be housed in the R.A. Gray Building and supervised by a professional staff of librarians and archivists and appropriate support staff. However, I do propose moving the circulating collection of the State Library, which consists of general volumes of fiction and non-fiction, to Nova Southeastern University, for three reasons: First, the needs of public libraries have changed. The State Library of Florida began building its circulating collection to supplement the collections of small, rural, or economically disadvantaged communities. This supplemental collection was necessary until 1997, when every county in Florida began offering free public library service. Moreover, through the Florida Library Information Network, Florida's interlibrary loan service, all citizens have access to the collections of libraries throughout the state. In time, the Florida Electronic Library will allow user-generated interlibrary loans, making accessibility even easier. These are all great achievements, and credit should go to Florida's libraries, as well as the Division of Library and Information Services. Because of this success, however, a circulating collection based in Tallahassee is no longer necessary. The second reason I proposed this move is that it will increase accessibility to this circulating collection. The simple fact is that in its current location, the circulating collection is underutilized. Last year the circulation of this collection, including interlibrary loans, was just over 60,000. If that sounds like a lot, it's really not. Because of the low usage, the circulating collection actually cost, you, the Florida taxpayer, $184.62 per registered borrower last year, or $64 per circulation. Now, the third major reason I proposed this move, is to make the best use of taxpayer dollars. My budget recommendations support Florida's public libraries including $32.4 million for State Aid to Libraries, $6 million in federal Library Services and Technology Act funds, $1.2 million for library cooperatives, and $6 million for library construction projects. Our focus will be where it belongs: developing partnerships with Florida's communities. But part of what makes those recommendations possible is the $10.2 million in savings that taxpayers will realize by moving the circulating collection. In a very tight budget year with expensive constitutional amendments passed by the voting public, we must make sure that every tax dollar is spent wisely. Thankfully, our new agreement with Nova Southeastern University does not merely save money, it will actually increase the circulation of the collection. The Nova Southeastern University Library, Research, and Information Technology Center is a joint use library administered by Nova Southeastern University, an independent not-for-profit educational institution, and Broward County Libraries, a public library system. Nova's circulation last year was 421,659, or seven times the current circulation enjoyed by the collection. The Broward County Libraries have 1.3 million registered borrowers in a county with a population of 1.6 million, meaning that 82% of the service population has a library card from this institution. Any person who holds a card from any Broward County library and all employees and students at Nova will have direct access to the collection, while citizens everywhere will have access through Florida's interlibrary loan program. No Floridian will lose access to this collection, and thousands of Floridians will have better access to it, once this agreement is implemented beginning this July. Relocating the collection is one of the actions that we will take to allow the State Library to refocus on meeting the future needs of Florida's 469 public libraries and the citizens they serve. I now look to move forward in implementing other library priorities like the Florida Electronic Library, initiating a statewide library card, and expanding the Florida Library Information Network. The State Library of Florida and Archives will continue to collect, catalog, preserve, and make available the unpublished and published history of Florida. The future of the new agency is very bright, and I look forward to working with Secretary of State Glenda Hood and the entire new department as we work to create and preserve what I know will be the best state library and archives in the nation. I thank you again for taking the time to share your views and opinions with me. I hope this response has given you a clearer picture of my proposal and its benefits to all Floridians. Sincerely, Jeb Bush ----- Original Message ----- From: <SMartin583@aol.com> To: <FLESCAMB-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, February 28, 2003 8:58 AM Subject: [FLESCAMB] State Library Support Tuesday March 4 > > State GS Prez Pam Cooper would like as many supporters of "the State Library > being left in the RA Gray building" to let her know if you can make it to > Tallahassee Tuesday ... she and others in Southern Florida will come IF there > is support for the effort. She has to know TONIGHT (Saturday) or Sunday AM > in order to make arrangement to come up to Tallahassee for the day on > Tuesday. Please EMAIL her if you are willing to be among those who will > bring signs and stand on the sidewalk with other supporters ! Her message > said: > > If you can positively commit to attend, I want you to send an email to the > following: > > SaveFLStateLib@bellsouth.net > > As for contacting the state legislators, I also spoke with one of the > Senators on the Appropriations committee and he said most of the Senators are > against the move and the budget recommendations AND against the behind the > scenes deals being hammered out ! He suggests that the House Reps are the > ones we really need to get to ... to express our concerns for now and the > future. > > The State Archives staff have been told they will not be moved or "parcelled" > out to other agencies for at least the near future, but as one staffer said, > no one is writing any 5-Year Plans for the Archives !! Everything is in the > hands of the Legislature at this point. We all know what the Governor and > his Cabinet would have happen ! And there is no changing their minds ... > > If anyone wins the lottery this weekend, please save some of the money for > the Library ! <Grin> > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

State GS Prez Pam Cooper would like as many supporters of "the State Library being left in the RA Gray building" to let her know if you can make it to Tallahassee Tuesday ... she and others in Southern Florida will come IF there is support for the effort. She has to know TONIGHT (Saturday) or Sunday AM in order to make arrangement to come up to Tallahassee for the day on Tuesday. Please EMAIL her if you are willing to be among those who will bring signs and stand on the sidewalk with other supporters ! Her message said: If you can positively commit to attend, I want you to send an email to the following: SaveFLStateLib@bellsouth.net As for contacting the state legislators, I also spoke with one of the Senators on the Appropriations committee and he said most of the Senators are against the move and the budget recommendations AND against the behind the scenes deals being hammered out ! He suggests that the House Reps are the ones we really need to get to ... to express our concerns for now and the future. The State Archives staff have been told they will not be moved or "parcelled" out to other agencies for at least the near future, but as one staffer said, no one is writing any 5-Year Plans for the Archives !! Everything is in the hands of the Legislature at this point. We all know what the Governor and his Cabinet would have happen ! And there is no changing their minds ... If anyone wins the lottery this weekend, please save some of the money for the Library ! <Grin>

To Emily, I am not able to respond to your message this morning re the Heritage Book. Your server is again rejecting my Bellsouth email "rejected-Anti-spam/mail-abuse." I am not able to open the attachment you sent. It seems to be done on a MAC. Tell your niece to resave it in rtf, and try again, or mail it to the P.O. Box. Heritage Book Committee P. O. Box 30463 Pensacola, FL 32503-1463 Since I can't reply to you, it would probably be better to send it to the P.O. Box. Cynthia Dean

----- Original Message ----- From: Crilley To: GAMUSCOG-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2003 3:53 PM Subject: [GAMUSCOGEE] Creation of 1st GA Regiment Harris Hill is transcribing some of the news pertinent to the break out of the Civil War...we have more pages posted on-line http://www.rootsweb.com/~gaschley/newscsa.htm This is of such broad interest I wanted to share it....and please pass it along to other county lists or surname lists that would be interested. From the Atlanta Journal Constitution Sunday, April 7, 1861. iz GEORGIA FORMS NEW REGIMENT Macon, Ga.---The First Georgia Regiment, composed of units from all parts of the state, has assembled here on order of Gov. Joseph E. Brown. The Confederacy has decided to send it to Pensacola. Gov. Brown reviewed the troops and addressed them at Ft. Oglethorpe, a new camp, here Friday, declaring: ".....may the God of battles go with you and lead, protect, and defend you till the last foot-print of the invader shall be obliterated from the soil of our common country." The regiment includes the Gate City Guards of Atlanta and units from among other places, Augusta, Dahlonega, Cartersville, Bainbridge, Forsyth, Perry, Newnan, Sandersville, Columbus, Ringold, and Macon. Eight companies left yesterday for Pensacola in the Confederate service. The balance will go tomorrow. They are an interesting lot. The Bainbridge Independent Volunteers wear coarse flannel shirts and rough "Negro cloth," but the members are said to represent a million dollars of wealth. Some units have fancy names--such as the Perry Southern Rights Guard and the Sanderville Washington Rifles. James N. Ramsey of Columbus has been elected regimental colonel. The lieutenant colonel is J.O. Clarke of Augusta. P.H. Larey of Cartersville and George Harvey Thompson of Atlanta were chosen majors. Artillery thundered and 7,000 people shouted farewell at the Atlanta Gate City Guards, Etowah Infantry and Ringold Artillery--340 men in all--left Atlanta for Macon Monday. On the eve of departure of the Quitman Guards of Forsyth, citizens raised $1200 for families of the troops who may be in need during their absence. At Perry, $1200 was raised for additional military supplies. There are said to be 10,700 men in 214 companies in Georgia now. In Atlanta two prominent Georgia secessionists took an oppostie view of the crisis. "We will not have war," Mr. Thomas R.R. Cobb said in an address at the Athenaeum Monday night, unless the "folly" of North or South causes it. (He is not anxious for border states--including Virginia--to enter the Confederacy, he said, because their large abolition elements would endanger the Confederacy's future.) Mr. Benjamin Hill said at the Anthenaeum Thursday night: "The feeling in the North is growing stronger in afvor of peace. There is really no necessity for war, but if war does come we are prepared for it........The prospects of peace are growing brighter every day, and I believe we will have peace......." nd Virginia Crilley ______________________________

I have gotten no notes from any of my lists yesterday or today. Is activity light, or is there a problem with my spam filter? Paul E. Prine pprine1@tampabay.rr.com

This came through. Cynthia "Paul E. Prine" wrote: > I have gotten no notes from any of my lists yesterday or today. Is activity light, or is there a problem with my spam filter? > Paul E. Prine > pprine1@tampabay.rr.com > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237