FL claims they searched the records and he was not listed during those years. I cannot use Social Security or marriage records, because although I have all of those, they are useless because he lied on all of them and got away with it. He claimed to have been born in Butte, Montana where the courthouse burned. His older sister says that was a lie--they were never out of the state of FL. When he retired he actually used the paperwork from his work that claimed his age when his sons were born to "prove" his age and that seemed to work for them. I even have those documents. What I really want is the birth certificate to find out information on his parents.

I just received a death certificate. wrote to; Office of Vital Statistics P.O. Box 210 Jacksonville, Fl 32231-0042 enclosed a check for $7.00 I had the name and date of death plus location (Pensacola ) Received a FULL certificate all the parents names, cause of death and so on. This is the first time I have received a full positive death certificate date of death was 1949. 53 years ago I do not know if this made a difference. I have asked for death certs from 1910 and received strange copies that had my information on it and nothing more. Any way now you have the address and amount. Be sure to include any information you do have. Happy hunting Helen

I have just uploaded a file of Genealogical information extracted from "The New Pensacola" The Deep Water City of the Gulf" - information on the businesses in Pensacola in 1905. Most sketches give the length of time the business has been in operation and often tells where the owner came from. It is at: http://www.rootsweb.com/~flescamb/1905business.htm Ginny Deagan - Pensacola, FL My home page: http://www.pcola.gulf.net/~gdeagan/ Escambia Co. Web page: http://www.rootsweb.com/~flescamb/ My Genealogy pages: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~vgdeagan/index.htm

Thank you the female b 6 Jan is my mom, she said the year according to baptism cert was 1898, I will have to look up the other 2. Lightning in the area have to get off. H At 09:23 AM 09/19/2002 -0500, you wrote: >Pensacola Vital Records 1899 - 1910 by WFGS show. > >unnamed W F born 6 Jan 1899 to Geo. A Maher and Kate M. Baker Geo born >Navy Yard carpenter >unnamed WM born 27 April 1902 Geo. A Maher and Kate M. Baker Kate >born Penscola >unnamed W M born 6 May 1905 Geo. A Maher and Kate M. Baker >Midwife Mrs. H. Johnson > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Jim & Helen" <hkotm@ipa.net> >To: <FLESCAMB-L@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2002 6:48 AM >Subject: Re: [FLESCAMB] birth cert > > > > > > Morning, My mother was Kathleen G. Maher. > > > > >============================== >To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, >go to: >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

Pensacola Vital Records 1899 - 1910 by WFGS show. unnamed W F born 6 Jan 1899 to Geo. A Maher and Kate M. Baker Geo born Navy Yard carpenter unnamed WM born 27 April 1902 Geo. A Maher and Kate M. Baker Kate born Penscola unnamed W M born 6 May 1905 Geo. A Maher and Kate M. Baker Midwife Mrs. H. Johnson ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim & Helen" <hkotm@ipa.net> To: <FLESCAMB-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2002 6:48 AM Subject: Re: [FLESCAMB] birth cert > > Morning, My mother was Kathleen G. Maher. >

Morning, My mother was Kathleen G. Maher. At 06:38 PM 09/18/2002 -0500, you wrote: >What was your mother's name. > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Jim & Helen" <hkotm@ipa.net> >To: <FLESCAMB-L@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2002 3:10 PM >Subject: [FLESCAMB] birth cert > > > > My mother born in Pensacola 1898, had to get a copy of her birth cert. so > > she could get social security. First thing she found was "the fire" no > > records,and then most people who knew when she was born were dead. She >had > > a copy of her baptism from St. Michael's Church the SSn people accepted > > this in lieu of birth cert.. Hope this helps. Helen > > > > > > ============================== > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, >go to: > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > >============================== >To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, >go to: >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

What was your mother's name. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim & Helen" <hkotm@ipa.net> To: <FLESCAMB-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2002 3:10 PM Subject: [FLESCAMB] birth cert > My mother born in Pensacola 1898, had to get a copy of her birth cert. so > she could get social security. First thing she found was "the fire" no > records,and then most people who knew when she was born were dead. She had > a copy of her baptism from St. Michael's Church the SSn people accepted > this in lieu of birth cert.. Hope this helps. Helen > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

My mother born in Pensacola 1898, had to get a copy of her birth cert. so she could get social security. First thing she found was "the fire" no records,and then most people who knew when she was born were dead. She had a copy of her baptism from St. Michael's Church the SSn people accepted this in lieu of birth cert.. Hope this helps. Helen

There is a possibility there was no birth record. My mother and her twin sister and her younger sister had no birth certificates. My grandmother said the doctors and/or midwives would come to the homes and they were suppose to have recorded it and sent to the records office. Some didn't bother to do so and some maybe forget to file it. They later in life went to the Health Department and filed for birth certificates. I have found this happening over my many years of research not just in Florida but other states as well. The best thing to do is try and locate a family member that has a Bible record of that family ..... if you know about the areas they lived in search back in the census records. These 2 things helped me tremendously. I have been collecting my families old Bibles .... I have found more info than just birth/marriage/death records ........ great resource. Good luck in your search. Jinx Nall Dopson

Check with each individual county. Escambia county did keep birth RECORDS from about 189-1911. They are at the Health Department, but have been published by the West FL Gen Soc. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matt and Lisa Hurley" <hurleytalk@surry.net> To: <FLESCAMB-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2002 9:28 PM Subject: Re: [FLESCAMB]birth certificate question > If the state of FL denies having a person's birth records on file (although > this is a possibility, with home births and the like) for a time period of > 1914-1919, is there somewhere else I should search? I know that he was born > in FL and I am fairly certain it was either 1914 or 1916 (his records and > his sister's recollection) but can find no legal records. I know his > parents names and the area in which he was born, according to his sister. > Any ideas? (This was my grandfather, by the way, and he, his parents, and > all of his siblings, as well as his wife, have passed on.) > Lisa > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

It it is always possible that someone can "say" there is "no" certificate, but most likely it is definitely possible that the certificate is not there. The earlier the years for births, the more the chances are that there is NO birth certificate for the person. Lot of women had their children at home and babies were delivered by family members, neighbors, or midwives thereby increasing the chance that no birth certificate was ever registered for the baby. If he was ever in the military, you may want to get copies of his records and his birth date info may be on those. If he applied for Social Security number then you can get a copy of his original application form and his birth info and parents names should be on there.

Florida did not require birth certificates before 1921. I wrote that to Lisa . cd

I too could not find a record of my grandfather's birth in Florida in the year 1909. When it came time to file for social security no birth record could be found so he had his older brother sign an affidavit stating when and where he was born. You might want to check into getting a copy of the death certificate for a date of birth, if that is all that is needed. It should list the place of birth as well. When you request a birth certificate they will issue you a "Record Not Found" certificate stating that no record was found on file for the State of Florida if one cannot be located. It is not a question of not looking for one, but more of a question of not finding one. Apparently, they did not keep very good records back then. You should also check census records for 1920. Vanessa faye osborne wrote: > Have you actually had confirmation that the State of Florida will deny giving out or searching for a > birth certificate for those born in FL between 1914 - 1919? My family has tried twice and my mother > once to get her birth certificate from Vital Records in Jax. All times, we were told no records > could be found. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Matt and Lisa Hurley" <hurleytalk@surry.net> > To: <FLESCAMB-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2002 10:28 PM > Subject: Re: [FLESCAMB]birth certificate question > > If the state of FL denies having a person's birth records on file (although > this is a possibility, with home births and the like) for a time period of > 1914-1919, is there somewhere else I should search? I know that he was born > in FL and I am fairly certain it was either 1914 or 1916 (his records and > his sister's recollection) but can find no legal records. I know his > parents names and the area in which he was born, according to his sister. > Any ideas? (This was my grandfather, by the way, and he, his parents, and > all of his siblings, as well as his wife, have passed on.) > Lisa > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

Have you actually had confirmation that the State of Florida will deny giving out or searching for a birth certificate for those born in FL between 1914 - 1919? My family has tried twice and my mother once to get her birth certificate from Vital Records in Jax. All times, we were told no records could be found. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matt and Lisa Hurley" <hurleytalk@surry.net> To: <FLESCAMB-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2002 10:28 PM Subject: Re: [FLESCAMB]birth certificate question If the state of FL denies having a person's birth records on file (although this is a possibility, with home births and the like) for a time period of 1914-1919, is there somewhere else I should search? I know that he was born in FL and I am fairly certain it was either 1914 or 1916 (his records and his sister's recollection) but can find no legal records. I know his parents names and the area in which he was born, according to his sister. Any ideas? (This was my grandfather, by the way, and he, his parents, and all of his siblings, as well as his wife, have passed on.) Lisa ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

Bummer - I thought I might get a clue about obtaining mother's certificate but no luck LOL. As long as I am writing, can you send me your address again, one of us threw your envelope away. Gloria Osborne, Box 502 Frewsburg NY 14738 ----- Original Message ----- From: "dyj" <dyj@webtv.net> To: <FLESCAMB-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2002 11:25 PM Subject: Re: [FLESCAMB]birth certificate question You can try checking the "delayed" birth certificates records in the county where he was born or at the Florida State Vital Statistics office in Jacksonville. Sometimes when a person was born they had no birth certificate, but when they needed to apply for Social Security, etc. they would get a delayed birth certificate. ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

You can try checking the "delayed" birth certificates records in the county where he was born or at the Florida State Vital Statistics office in Jacksonville. Sometimes when a person was born they had no birth certificate, but when they needed to apply for Social Security, etc. they would get a delayed birth certificate.

If the state of FL denies having a person's birth records on file (although this is a possibility, with home births and the like) for a time period of 1914-1919, is there somewhere else I should search? I know that he was born in FL and I am fairly certain it was either 1914 or 1916 (his records and his sister's recollection) but can find no legal records. I know his parents names and the area in which he was born, according to his sister. Any ideas? (This was my grandfather, by the way, and he, his parents, and all of his siblings, as well as his wife, have passed on.) Lisa

Thanks --- Fmcburney@aol.com wrote: > Arlene, my aunt lives on Yoakum Court. I will call > her and ask her if she > knows the history of the area -- she well might. > > Faye > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion > online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > ===== Arlene R. Lindsay 6033 34th St W Apt#22 Bradenton, FL 34210 1-941-739-5059 __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! News - Today's headlines http://news.yahoo.com

The October 5th meeting will be the annual workshop. The presenters; Kathyrn Duvall, Jan Isosaari, Jerry Merritt, John Rodger, Lee Scott and Liz Smith have put in many, many hours to bring you this Power Point Presentation about the United States Censuses. The workshop will be held at the Bayview Senior Citizens Center from 9:00 a.m. to 3:30. Registration, continental breakfast and opening remarks will be from at 8:15 a..m. to 9:00 a.m. The registration fee is $16.50 with a CD or $14.50 with out the CD. the CD will show the slides of the Power Point Presentation, handouts and some bonus items. Registration for couples (same household) wishing only one CD will be $31.50. Please register early so we can have your CD burned. Mail your registration to WFGS, P.O. Box 947, Pensacola, FL 32591-0947 Make your check payable to WFGS Some of the topics to be covered will be the History of the Census, How to Search the Census, What to Expect in Each Census Year, Using the Soundex, Special Censuses, State and City Censuses, Finding Aids for Census Research and the 1930 Census and Enumeration Districts.

Arlene, my aunt lives on Yoakum Court. I will call her and ask her if she knows the history of the area -- she well might. Faye