Just in case you're considering helping a male family member (or yourself!) join the Fleming YDNA project this christmas. Ancestry have a 40% off special running till Dec 31st 2008. http://dna.ancestry.com/selectTest.aspx Project outline can be seen here (the one with 152 members) http://dna.ancestry.com/findGroups.aspx?mode=search&query=fleming Ancestry send three cotton buds. Each one is rubbed inside the mouth and returned to them in a special pack. Test over. My father doesn't have a near match with anyone at this stage but I'm hoping as more English lines come into the project, he'll get a partial match with a tree that goes further back in time which in turn will suggest new paper records for me to search to dissolve my brick walls. Happy Christmas / Holidays all :) Fleming ONS http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~fleming/