I think I have info on Boaz Fleming that was in Rev. War from S.c. but let me check and i will send what I have. Martha Russell [email protected] On Wed, 8 Jul 1998, pafrey wrote: > I am looking for information for the name of Boaz Fleming. > It is said that Boaz came from Scotland with his sons. > The farthest I can go on my family is John Fleming wife Agnes Milliron. > Of PA ( Indiana Co) > Children: Samuel, Alexander, John Jr. James, and William b 1829. > If anyone can help me---it would be grand. Thank you > >

Bill; and all FLEMING researchers; I, too, share your frustration that many emails, some that would be of interest to others, go to one person. Most email software provides a choice, reply to sender or reply to all - a reply to all will send your information to the whole list, and perhaps generate more connections. Even if I don't connect, I enjoy reading the emails. I'm looking for the FLEMINGs in Hampshire Co, VA in the late 1700s and early 1800s - I'll send more later Jim Web Site: http://customers.doubled.com/~bartlett/genealog.htm Descendants of Thomas BARTLETT (c1730-1806) of Fauquier and Harrison Co, VA and 80 other surname ancestors, mostly from Colonial Virginia -----Original Message----- From: William Gehling <[email protected]> To: [email protected] <[email protected]> Date: Sunday, August 30, 1998 12:43 PM Subject: Slane > I'm having a small problem with this list. A reply to a message >from the list goes to the individual instead of to the list. > I got enough replies to continue a bit with the Slane Flemings. > Christopher, 22nd Baron, died in 1726 on the Quay, Dublin. The >dignity of the peerage became vested in his only daughter, Ellen, who died >unmarried in Paris in 1748. > Christopher's cousin, William, son of Thomas Fleming of Gillenstown, >claimed the barony, but was rejected because of Christopher being attainted. >William, Pretender to the 23rd Barony of Slane, lived in the castle as a >tenant, farming the castle grounds. He was interred 8 feb 1746 in a vault >in St. George's Church, Lower Temple Street, now Hill Street. He was >succeeded in his titular dignity by his only son, Christopher. > Christopher, Pretender to the 24th Barony of Slane, married in North >Ireland, but died unmarried in 1771. The peerage office says he left no >issue, but that means no one put in a claim as his heir. He lived as a >tenant in Fleming Manor and had a son, Randall, and three daughters. > Randall, b. c. 1739 in Fleming Castle. When the Conynghams took >over the castle, 3 May 1781, he moved to the hotel in Slane. He refused to >be considered as an heir because he had a better claim than his cousins who >did put in claims for the Barony. He had 11 boys and 1 girl from 1775 to >1791. His wife died on the way to America with their youngest child, John, >when he came of age. > James Fleming was b. c. 1775 in Fleming Castle. He immigrated to >America about 1800. He bought a farm in Ontario Co., NY. In 1818, he moved >to Indiana, eventually settling in Bono, Lawrence Co. He bought lots 48 and >49 in Bono for $15, 5 Mar 1841, recorded 30 Nov 1843 in Deed Book I, p. 507. >He operated a cheese factory in Bedford until he died about 1845, buried in >Greenhill Cemetery in Bedford. His headstone was destroyed by vandals in 1912. > Robert Lacy Fleming was born 5 Mar 1803 in Ontario Co., NY, and >lived there till moving to Bono, Lawrence Co., Indiana in 1818, living with >his parents until they died. He married Mrs. Jane (Strichfield) Wilson of >PA, 6 Oct 1831. In 1846, he moved to Carroll Co., IL, where he bought a 75 >acre farm in Wysox Township near Milledgeville. He was town clerk of Wysox >for 6 years and magistrate for the third term in 1878. He died 27 Jan 1879 >and is buried near Milledgeville. > Tell me this is enough. > > Bill > [email protected] >

I'm having a small problem with this list. A reply to a message from the list goes to the individual instead of to the list. I got enough replies to continue a bit with the Slane Flemings. Christopher, 22nd Baron, died in 1726 on the Quay, Dublin. The dignity of the peerage became vested in his only daughter, Ellen, who died unmarried in Paris in 1748. Christopher's cousin, William, son of Thomas Fleming of Gillenstown, claimed the barony, but was rejected because of Christopher being attainted. William, Pretender to the 23rd Barony of Slane, lived in the castle as a tenant, farming the castle grounds. He was interred 8 feb 1746 in a vault in St. George's Church, Lower Temple Street, now Hill Street. He was succeeded in his titular dignity by his only son, Christopher. Christopher, Pretender to the 24th Barony of Slane, married in North Ireland, but died unmarried in 1771. The peerage office says he left no issue, but that means no one put in a claim as his heir. He lived as a tenant in Fleming Manor and had a son, Randall, and three daughters. Randall, b. c. 1739 in Fleming Castle. When the Conynghams took over the castle, 3 May 1781, he moved to the hotel in Slane. He refused to be considered as an heir because he had a better claim than his cousins who did put in claims for the Barony. He had 11 boys and 1 girl from 1775 to 1791. His wife died on the way to America with their youngest child, John, when he came of age. James Fleming was b. c. 1775 in Fleming Castle. He immigrated to America about 1800. He bought a farm in Ontario Co., NY. In 1818, he moved to Indiana, eventually settling in Bono, Lawrence Co. He bought lots 48 and 49 in Bono for $15, 5 Mar 1841, recorded 30 Nov 1843 in Deed Book I, p. 507. He operated a cheese factory in Bedford until he died about 1845, buried in Greenhill Cemetery in Bedford. His headstone was destroyed by vandals in 1912. Robert Lacy Fleming was born 5 Mar 1803 in Ontario Co., NY, and lived there till moving to Bono, Lawrence Co., Indiana in 1818, living with his parents until they died. He married Mrs. Jane (Strichfield) Wilson of PA, 6 Oct 1831. In 1846, he moved to Carroll Co., IL, where he bought a 75 acre farm in Wysox Township near Milledgeville. He was town clerk of Wysox for 6 years and magistrate for the third term in 1878. He died 27 Jan 1879 and is buried near Milledgeville. Tell me this is enough. Bill [email protected]

Bill, I'd like to hear about the "further descendants listed". Even though they may not have held any titles, they may still turn out to be somebody's ancestors (maybe mine?). Also, since you seem to be up on medieval history, can you tell me how the Flemings who were Earls of Wigton and later Barons Fleming connect to Fleming who were Barons of Slane? I have also heard of a Joce le Fleming who aided in the Norman Conquest and thus obtained lands at Cuckney. Can you connect that Fleming to either of the other two groups? -- Jeff Snavely <mailto:[email protected]> Paternal: Blagg, Brooks, Carroll, Dilbeck, Finley/Findley, Fleming, Gilley, Harbin, Hinkle, Holley, Goss, Mounsell, Parks, Putnam, Reed, Shearman/Sherman, Stevens, Stocker, Young Maternal: Ambrester, Burrill, Clark, Craig, Frost, Gay, Griffin, Johnston, Jones, Kilgore, Milligan, Parker, Parry, Peters, Portwood, Ragsdale, Robinson, Rorex, Tattershall, Vaughan, Voss, Wells, Yates (and others)

Whoa, there, Wilma. You can't discount it like that. The tale is pivotal to the title. James II raised woefully inadequate troops for his defense, lost the battle, and in his retreat, stopped at Fleming's and took a horse. When William's troops showed up, Christopher fought them until subdued. He followed James to France and offered his assistance. For this, in 1691, he was attainted by Parliament for treason, outlawed, and deprived of his estates. In 1707, he was restored in blood, but not in his estates. The title was not granted to any of his heirs because of his attaintment, though some assumed the title Pretender to the Barony of Slane. His estates were granted to the Conyngham family, which still holds them. Anyone wanting to reclaim the Barony must go to Belfast, raise a protestant army, capture County Meath, and turn it over to the crown. If the crown so desires, it will award the title, Baron of Slane, to such an heir. There are further descendants listed, but I'm not going to list them, as the title is dormant. Bill [email protected]

Erasmus A. FLEMING, possibly son of Abraham Fleming married Jimina J. HOPPER on 24 June 1852 in Gibson county, Tennessee. Have not been able to locate this family in Tenn. or surrounding states after 1852. Is this couple familiar to anyone? Kay Fleming

BARON XIII Sir James Fleming (1440) a knight, the 13th Baron of Slane, and a Peer of Parliament during the reign of King Edward IV, married Elizabeth Wells. By an act of parliament he was also made sheriff of Meath county for one year. He died 1491. During his term, the Irish were busy trying to make their Home Rule work and the British were content to let them alone. Life in the castle of Slane was like living in a prison until the neighbors became acquainted with the Baron and his family. His son inherited the Barony. BARON XIV Sir Christopher Fleming (1473) 14th Baron of Slane married Lady Elizabeth FitzGerald, the daughter of the Earl of Kildare. He was 18 years old at his father's death. An inquisition brought out the incident that Christopher founded a cell for Frairs to pray for the souls of himself and family. the cell was a chapel in the cemetery of the Hill of Slane. It was necessary for Christopher to get along with the Catholics of Ireland. A picture of the cell is included herewith. A plaque on the building reads as follows: "Founded by Franciscans on the site of early Celtic monastery in 1512. Dissolved in 1540 and granted to James Fleming (XV) whose desendants (Patrick) in 1631 attempted to reinstall a community of Capuchin Friars here but was expelled by Cromwell." Christopher was appointed by King Henry VIII in 1512 as Lord High Treasurer of Ireland. He was first summoned to parliament in 1506 by King Henry VII. He died 18 Sep 1520 leaving his only son James as heir. BARON XV James Fleming (1511) became the 15th Baron of Slane. He was age 9 years at this fathers death in 1519. By patent, dated 30 Sep 1540, King Henry VIII made him Lord Justice of Ireland. He sat in the famous Parliament held the following year in which King Henry VIII was made KING OF IRELAND. This Lord James Fleming was twice married. first to Lady Alice FitzGerald, daughter of Gerald, Earl of Kildate and second to Elizabeth the daughter of Christopher Plunkett, Lord Kileen. He died 1577 when the peerage created by the summons of his grandfather Sir James Fleming, became in abeyance between his two sisters, Catherine and Elinor, among those heirs it still remains (1829). The estate was settled in 1568. The Barony went to his heirs as indicated on the chart. James apparently disinherited his own son and his heirs in favor of his cousin. The peerage report does not mention anyone not officially considered an heir. It reported James death in 1577, but it did not say "without issue". In a biography of Patrick Fleming, a Fransiscan Friar, it claims Patrick's father, Gerald, was a great grandson of Christopher, the 14th Baron of Slane. Since he was a friar of the Catholics, and since there was much terrible bitterness between Catholics and Protestants, James disinherited his son, Patrick. James' nephew, Thomas inherited the barony. "Patrick 1599-1631, a Franciscan Friar, born 17 April 1599, at Bel-Atha-Lagain, county of Louth, Ireland. His father, Gerald was a great granson of Christopher the 14th Baron of Slane, and treasurer of Ireland. His mother was Elizabeth Cusck of Cushingtown. At age, he was sent by is parents to Flanders and placed under the care of his uncle Christopher Cussack. He was a noted Catholic lecturer and was killed by peasants in Bohemia, 17 Nov 1641 near Beneschau. He was buried at the Monastery near there." This was copied from the Oxford Encyclopedia. BARON XVI Thomas Fleming (1540) the 16th Baron of Slane. He was summoned to the Parliament of Queen Elizabeth in 1585. Lord Thomas Fleming died 9 Nov 1597. He died without issue, thus four creations by whit, successively, became in abeyance among co-heirs. His third cousin, William was decreed the inheritor. BARON XVII William Fleming (1570) the 17th Baron of Slane of Derpatrick succeeded his cousin in the manor or Barony of Slane of which he had livery 1605. He never sat in Parliament. He married Elinor Fleming the daughter of Thomas Fleming the 15th Baron of Slane, by whom he had three sons, first Christopher his heir, second George Fleming of Stephenstown, and third James Fleming of Staholrnock and Derpatrick. He died 1612 and was succeeded by his eldest son, Christopher. Again, a son was apparently disinherited and disowned because he was a Catholic. As recorded in the oxford Encyclopedia: Thomas 1593-1666 Archbishop of Dublin, third son of William, 17th Baron of Slane, by his cousin, Elinor, younger daughter of Thomas 16th Baron of Slane, was born 1592. He became a friar and was professor of theology at Louvain. He was a leader in most political and religious controversies in Ireland during the years 1623-1666. There is a discrepancy between the oxford biography and the peerage office on the number of Barons of Slane. The Oxford biography says Thomas was the 15th Baron and William was the 16th Baron. The peerge report says Thomas was the 16th Baron and William was the 17th Baron. That discripancy was probably caused by the Catholics disagreeing with who was a Baron. BARON XVIII Christopher Fleming (1595) became the 18th Baron of Slane. He was the eldest son of William. He had livery of his estate 24 Nov 1613. He was summoned to parliament by King James I. he therby acquited a peerage descendible to his heris general. Lord Christopher married Elinor daughter of sir Patrick Barnwall of Turvey by whom he had six sons. Thomas his heir, William, John, Patirck, James and Lawrence. The last four died without issue. His 2nd son William, inherited the Barony. Thomas Fleming Sir Thomas Fleming (1617) heir to the Barony of Slane at the death of his father Christopher 29 June 1625, renounced the title. Being a friar in the Order of St. Francis, Thomas renounced his rights to his next brother William, AND, being excluded from the estates by his father's settlement, he petitioned the King in 1629 that his brother William might enjoy the dignity of Baron of Slane, so the estate went to William and his heirs male of his body. Thomas Fleming resided in his convent in the Nertherlands until the year 1642, when he returned to Ireland at the Pope's request, during the Irish-Catholic revolt against the Protestant-English government. He proceeded to Kilkenny, where "he attended to the public good, resorting from time to time to the house of his brother-in-law, the Viscount of Clanmorris; but at last finding that things did not prosper at Kilkenny, he went to county Louth, and made up six or severn well-armed men and by witty and find stratagems, took twelve garrisons in that country. He spared no labor night or day in that province. Either in their sleep, march or otherwise, where or when the enemy least expected, this religious warrior did come upon them, to their mighty prejudice, either taking by assault, or demolishing by fire, their garrisons, at the loss of their proper lives. There were many other Friars doing the same thing by order of the Pope and it is estimated there were 10,000 Protestans killed between 1642-1649. BARON XIX William Fleming (1619) 19th Baron of Slane, married Lady Anne MacDonnell the daughter of Randall, Earl of Antrum, the widow of Lord Delvin by whom she had four sons: Charles, Randall, Michael and Thomas. His elder son, Charles inherited the Barony when he was about one year old. Baron Willliam died in battle in oct 1641, when the Old English Asistocrats joined the Catholics in a siege of Drogheda to drive out King Charles I from Ireland. His own brother, Thomas did much of the killing. The following years, 1642. King Charles II, had to go into exile for two years because they were Protestants. Baron William was killed in the battle of Julianstown Bridge, near Drogheda, Ireland. BARON XX Charles Fleming (1645) 20th Baron of Slane, did not marry. He was expected from pardon for life and estate by Cromwell's Act for the settlement of Ireland in 1652. He with his step-brother, Lord Westmeath, maintained the royal cause to the last moment in Ireland; and, subsequently, with 10,000 troops, entered the service of Louis IV of France, in which he lost his life in Italy in 1661. He died un-married and was succeeded by his next brother, Randall. BARON XXI Randall Fleming (1636) 21st Baron of Slane, succeeded his brother after the Restoration of King Charles II. The Roll of Innocent Papists recite "that Charles Lord Slane, brother of Randall, now of Slane, was dead and that Randall had been disposed of the estates of their father, William, Lord Slane, by the usurping powers declares them innocent and orders Randall to be restorted to his estate. The "Usurping Powers" were the Catholic Friars and Gaelic Irish killing the Protestant English rulers of the country. While Randall was Baron of Slane, in 1649, King Charles II sent Cromwell to Ireland with 20,000 disciplined and armed troops. They landed in Dublin and marched north into Slane where they killed 3,500 men and women, the leaders of the Catholic rebellion. Randall was murdered 22 oct 1676. He did all he could to avoid the trouble between the Catholics and English rulers. The tension was great, it isn't known by me which side murdered him. His eldest son, Christopher (by his 2nd wife) inherited the Barony. BARON XXII (The last Fleming Baron) Christopher Fleming 91669) 22nd Baron of Slane, was 7 years old when his father, Randall was murdered. He as born 1669. He married in 1684 to Elenor Trant, daughter of Sir Patrick Trant Paris by whom he had only one daughter Ellen. Ellen died un-married in Paris in 1748. The House of Lords gave him the title of "Lord of Slane". He sat in the "Pretended Parliament" of James II, in 1689, and took an active part in support of that monarch. Christopher was the last Baron of Slane. He lost the Barony for the family as a result of the following events. KING JAMES II King James II fell heir to the Throne in 1685, and he also fell heir to the Catholic-Protestant War. His greatest weakness was that he tried to please everybody and consiquently pleased nobody. He was described as a cheerful, pleasant, nice looking young Catholic. He established a Parliament in Ireland called "Patriotic Parliament" but the same parliament is called "Pretended Parliament" by the English peerage office. James wanted to include Catholics in the Parliament but the Lords of Scotland and England voted against it. James then began releasing all Protestant officers from the rmy and appointing Catholics to take their place. This resulted in creating a tension between Protestants and Catholics. A century before, thousands of Protestants were massacred in France and the Irish Protestants knew it would also happen to them. When the tension was at its height, an anonymous letter was found on the street in Derry, warning all Protestants that all men, women and children would be murdered by the Catholics, 9 Dec 1688, just one week away. That letter scared everybody. At this same time King James landed an army near Derry. It was a routine relief army to relieve certain garrisons. The people of Derry thought it was the Catholic army coming to massacre them. While the officers were visiting the Governor to get permission to pass through the town, thirteen men suddenly decided to stop the massacre before it started and they blocked the gate with swords and raised the drawbridge when the King's army was only sixty feet from the bridge. That was quiet a shock to the King's troops as they stood there wondering what to do next. One young protestant, looking over the city wall said in a loud voice, "put that great gun right here". The King's army immediately scatterd and retreated back up the road. No amount of explaining could get those men to open the gates. That was the begining fo the seven-month siege of Derry. During that seige King James II age 56 was deposed and King William age 38 was elected by Parliament in 1689. Since King James had no friends except those in Ireland, he landed in Kinsale, 12 March 1689, and visited all the Barons in Ireland to raise an army to defeat King Williams' army. The Barrons were caught between the Gaelic Catholics and the English army. The Catholics backed James because they thought he would give them land. King William sent reinforcements to Derry which was under the command of Governor lundy, a trusted "friend" of the king. Governor Lundy turned out to be a traitor and it was not until the people of Derry discovered it that the siege was finally broken. King James then began a retreat which ended at the battle of Boyne." There is more, but not about our Flemings...it is about the battle of Boyne..etc Hope this has helped some of you out..and the ones that asked for it find it here. Wilma Fleming Haynes [email protected]

I found the following post on soc.genealogy.medieval today. Does anyone know how these Flemings connect to the Barons of Slane? Also, my Fleming ancestor is a Mary Fleming who married William Goss c.1700 prob. in VA. I know nothing else about her. Does anyone know anything about her? ----START---- At 04:00 PM 8/23/98 -0700, you wrote: >I'm trying to link together some four Lords Fleming I have un attached >in my db: > Dear Ed, Here is my contribution to your request. Some things are quite different but if you need to know where a specific piece of information came from, please ask. It is not complete, spouses and probably children missing, but I thought this may help to answer your question. Robert Fleming, 1st Baron Fleming died between 26 March 1491/16 January 1493 married (1) before 23 July 1451 Lady Janet Douglas, daughter of James Douglas, 7th Earl of Douglas, and Beatrix Sinclair children, Generation I Generation I 1.Malcolm Fleming, of Monycabon died between October 1474 and October 1480 married Eupheme Livingstone, daughter of James Livingstone, 1st Baron Livingstone, and Marian NN children, Generation II 2.Beatrice/Elizabeth Fleming married circa 1472 James Livingstone, 3rd Lord Livingstone, son of Alexander Livingstone and NN Generation II 1.John Fleming, 2nd Lord Fleming died 1 November 1524 married (1) before 5 May 1496 Eupheme Drummond, daughter of John Drummond, 1st Baron Drummond, and Lady Elizabeth Lindsay died May 1501 (poisoned) married (2) 13 February 1509, Divorced before 26 October 1515 Lady Margaret Stewart, daughter of Matthew Stewart, 11th Earl of Lennox, and Elizabeth Hamilton married (3) Agnes Somerville, daughter of Sir John Somerville, of Cambusnethan child, generation III Generation III (1st marriage) 1.Malcolm Fleming, 3rd Lord Fleming born circa 1494, died in battle 10 September 1547 Pinkie married circa 28 February 1524 Lady Janet Stewart, daughter of James IV, King of Scots, and Agnes Stewart died before 20 February 1563 children, Generation IV Generation IV 1.Janet Fleming married (1) before 20 May 1546 John Livingstone, Master of Livingstone, son of Alexander Livingstone, 5th Lord Livingstone, and Lady Agnes Douglas died in battle 10 September 1547 Pinkie 2.Agnes Fleming murdered before 18 October 1597 married before 1 October 1553 William Livingstone, 6th Lord Livingstone, son of Alexander Livingstone, 5th Lord Livingstone, and Lady Agnes Douglas died between 18 October 1592 and 29 November 1592 3.Margaret Fleming died circa 15 August 1584 and 15 March 1587 married (1) Robert Graham, Lord Graham, son of William Graham, 2nd Earl of Montrose, and Lady Janet Keith died in battle 10 September 1547 Pinkie married (2) contract 30 January 1549 Thomas Erskine, Master of Erskine, son of James Erskine, 5th Lord Erskine, and Lady Margaret/Elizabeth Campbell died after 7 October 1551 married (3) contract 1 April 1557 John Stewart, 4th Earl of Atholl, son of John Stewart, 3rd Earl of Atholl, and Grizel Rattray died 1579 Kincorne 4.Mary Fleming married 6 January 1567 William Maitland, of Lethington, Secretary of State, son of Sir Richard Maitland, 12th Feudal lord of Thirlestane, and Mary Cranston born circa 1528, died in prison 1573 Leith 5.Elizabeth Fleming married before 24 May 1540 William Crichton, 5th Lord Crichton 6.James Fleming, 4th Lord Fleming born circa 1535, died 15 December 1558 Paris (probably poisoned) married contract 22 December 1553 Lady Barbara Hamilton, daughter of James Hamilton, 2nd Earl of Arran, and Lady Margaret Douglas died 15 December 1558 daughter : a.Jean Fleming born 1554, died 23 June 1609 married (1) contract 16 January 1583 Sir John Maitland, 1st Baron Maitland, Lord Thirlestane, son of Sir Richard Maitland, 12th feudal lord of Thirlestane, and Mary Cranston born circa 1545, died 3 October 1595 Thirlestane married (2) contract 4 November 1597 John Kennedy, 5th Earl of Cassilis, son of Gilbert Kennedy, 4th Earl of Cassilis, and Margaret Lyon born circa 1574, died before 14 November 1615 7.John Fleming, 5th Lord Fleming died 6 September 1572 Biggar nr Edinburgh married 10 May 1552 Elizabeth Ross, daughter of Robert Ross, Master of Ross, and Agnes Moncreiff died after 14 April 1578 children : a.John Fleming, 1st Earl of Wigton, 6th Lord Fleming born circa 1566/1567, died April 1619 married (1) contract January 1586 Lady Lilias Graham, daughter of John Graham, 3rd Earl of Montrose, and Hon. Jean Drummond married (2) Sarah Maxwell, daughter of Sir John Maxwell, Lord Herries, and Agnes Herries, suo jure Baroness Herries buried 29 March 1636 Edinburgh b.Mary Fleming married contract 9 December 1581 Edinburgh Sir James Douglas, 8th of Drumlanrig, son of Sir William Douglas, of Hawick, and Margaret Gordon died 16 October 1615 c.Jane Fleming married 1582 William Bruce, son of Alexander Bruce, of Airth and Janet Livingstone d.Margaret Fleming married Sir James Forrester, of Carden sources : Burke's Extinct Peerage Burke's Peerage The Complete Peerage Cahiers de Saint Louis Hope this helps? Leo van de Pas ----END---- -- Jeff Snavely <mailto:[email protected]> Paternal: Blagg, Brooks, Carroll, Dilbeck, Finley, Gilley, Harbin, Holley, Goss, Reed, Shearmon/Sherman, Young, ... Maternal: Clark, Frost, Griffin, Jones, Kilgore, Peters, Portwood, Ragsdale, Robinson, Vaughan, Voss, Wells, Yates, ...

"In the back of the book there is a chart covering a period of 900 years in the same family. The leading mumber of each generation had a title of "Baron of Slane" Each Baron has a note describing in more detail all I could learn about him. These notes are numbered to correspond to the number of Baron. Since the family had so much to do the the history of Ireland, reading the notes consecutively is something like reading the history of Ireland, therefore to put the family in its proper time, I am begining with a review of Irish History" (I won't copy the Irish History) "....The county court house provides police protection for the people and the people pay taxes to the County Court House. The year, 1176 Richard Fleming was a bury man, thus he became the first palatinate Baron of Slane, and one of the magnates of the lordship of palatinate of Meath. He had 4 sons, Richard, William, Henry and Lawrence." BARON II Richard (1162) the eldest son of Richard, became the heir to his father and was the 2nd palatinate Baron, or Lord of the manor or barony of Slane, and was also Lord of Bratton, Alverdescent and Crediho in Devonshire. His son and heir was: BARON III Stephen le Fleming 91196) became the 3rd palatinate Baron of Slane and Newcastle, as appears by the Plea Roll of King Edward II. He was called Provost to Baldwin which means he was in charge of Baldwin during Baldwins minor years. He rebuilt the wooden castle with stone. His 3 sons were: Baldwin the heir, Richard and Peter. BARON IV Baldwin (1230) became the 4th palatinate Baron, or Lord of the manor, or barony of Slane. Little more appears on his record than his existence. He was succeeded by his son: BARON V Richard Le Fleming (1264) 5th palatinate Baron of Slane. He made a charter of his lands in 1310. I presume that is when he made a will. He married Mary Martin the daughter of Nicholas martin of Darlington, by whom he had a son Baldwin. He was in the Irish Parliament 1297. His heir was: BARON VI Baldwyn (1298) 6th Baron of Slane, married matilda Geneville, one of five daughters of Simon geneville, Lord of Culmullen in county Meath. By this marriage Baldwyn became connected with the noble and powerful family of Mortimer, Earl of March. Rogert Mortimer, Earl of March married Joan the only daughter of Peter Geneville, Lord of Trim. This resulted in uniting the 2 great palatinates of Ulster and Trim, which eventually became part of the crown of King Edward the IV. Baldwyn had acquired greater influence and importance than any preseding Baron of Slane. This was in the years 1317 and 1322. The Barons of Ireland summoned in 1295 consisted of only 29 individuals, while those summoned in 1309 to the Parliament in Kilkenny by King Edward II, were 87..an increase or addition of 58 in 14 years. That was done for the following reason. "King Edward III, being greatly bearded and crossed by the Lords of Clergy, they being there, by reason of the Lords, Abbots and others. Too many and too strong for him so that he could not, for their forwardness, order and reform things as he desired, WAS ADVISED TO DIRECT OUT HIS WRITS TO CERTAINE GENTLEMEN OF THE BEST ABILITY AND TRUST, entitling them Barons, in the Parliament, by which means he had so many Barons in his Parliament as were able to weigh down the clergy and their friends." Among these gentlemen of THE BEST ABILITY AND TRUST in 1309 was Baldwyn le Fleming, palatinate Baron of Slane, who was summoned to the celebrated Parliament held at Kilkenny by King Edward II. It should be noted the writ was directed to Baldwin Fleming and not Baron of Slane, therefore his partiamentary title made some difference. Sir John Wogan was Lord Justice of Ireland at that time. His granddaugher later married the great grandson of Baldwyn. Lord Baldwyn Fleming died 1335, leaving his son as heir: BARON VII Sir Somon Fleming (1330) a knight, became the 7th Baron of Slane, and the 7th Lord of Parliament of this family. Being a minor on the death of his father, he obtained his properties in 1347. He sat in Parliament in the reign of Edward III. He married Cecelia Champeron of Modbury, daughter of Thomas Champeron. He died in october 1370, and was succeeded by his eldest son. During his life, two-thirds of the population of Drogheda died of the black death plague, 1348-49. His son and heir was: BARON VIII Thomas (1358) a knight, became third Lord Fleming, Palatinate Baron of Slane. He sat in Parliament during the reign of King Richard II, being of age in 1378. He married Elizabeth Preston, daughter of Sir Robert Preston, Lord of Gormanstown by whom he had among other children, Christopher his heir and William. He died 1434 during the reign of King Henry VI; In 1407 Thomas had a pardon of intrusion into his estates without livery. That "intrusion into his estates with livery" refers to the Irish claiming English lands. The Irish were trying to establish an Irish kingdom patterned after the Kingdom of England. King Richard II, divided Irishmen into three groups: "the Wild Irish" (the enemy), the "English Rebels" and the "Obedient English". The King landed with an army in Waterford on 2 Oct 1394, and marched northward to Dublin, bolstering all his English Baronies. He also promised to pardon the English rebels of the Bronies if they would give him more allegiance. Our Baron Thomas Fleming was one of the English Barons who accepted that pardon in 1407. his son and heir was: BARON IX Sir Christopher Fleming (1400) a knight, 4th Lord Fleming, 9th Baron of Slane and 4th Peer of Parliament, did homage for his estate to King Henry VI, in 1436. King Richard's campaign in Ireland was temporary and rather unsuccessful for many years, so Sir Christopher had a rather quiet life. He married first to Levia Farrars by whom he had one son, John and married second to Elizabeth Wogan by whom he had one son David. Christopher's eldest son John died before his father, therefore the Barony went to John's eldest son Christopher. BARON X Christopher Fleming (1444), 5th Lord Fleming, 10th Baron of Slane and 5th Peer of parliament, was the grandson of Sir Christopher the 9th Baron of Slane. He was the only son of John the only son of Christopher by his first wife Levita Farrars. John died 1445 before his father who died 30 November 1448. Christopher died without issue in 1451,leaving his two sisters as co-heirs to the Barony. An inheritance of a title or barony, is not like an ordinary inheritance of property. Each case has to be voted on in Parliament. In other words, each is a separate law. They consider the exact wording used in past genetations to make sure the law is upheld and they write a new law pertaining to the one case of inheritance under consideration. The King can accept or reject or change the law as passed by Parliament. On Christopher's death, they gave the Barony to his uncle David because the estate was in abeyance between his two sisters as co-heirs. BARON IX David Fleming (1425) 11th palatinate Baron of Slane, was summoned to Parliament by King Edward IV in 1463, with the title of Lord David Fleming, Baron of Slane. He died about a year later, 1463, leaving an only son, Thomas and three daughters, Anne, Margaret and Elizabeth as co-heirs. BARON XII Thomas Fleming (1456) 12th palatinate Baron of Slane, and 2nd Lord Fleming, died without issue, 8 Dec 1471. The estate again went into abeyance on account of no male heir. Three Barons of Slane, Christopher, David and Thomas all died rather close together, and all three were comparatively young. They died in 1458, 1463 and 1471. I wonder how they died. At least one of them was waylaid and murdered on that beautiful road along the river. During those years the Irish Parliament was exercising its new power over the old English Aristocracy. There were innumerable fights and bloodshed. The Irish Parliament met in Drogheda, only nine miles from the Fleming manor near Slane. The English Barons of that day had to walk a tight rope between being attainted of high treason and be headed by the constable sent over by the king, or of being banished and murdered by the Irish Patriots. Also during this time, King Henry VI went into exile for nine years for his own safety. The Barony was given to the first cousin of Thomas. to be continued..........

I have had several people ask for a copy of the above. I am going to send this out to the list that way everyone who wanted a copy will have it. Wilma Fleming Haynes [email protected] I'm not going to send it on this mail, but the following one so it won't have any writing other than the history of the Baron's. Wilma

Greetings other FLEMING researchers. I am looking for the parents of William Alvin FLEMING b. 1854 in KY, county unknown. Died in Speed, Clark County, Indiana 1929. Death certificate states his parents names as Peter FLEMING and Laura MERRETT. Could be part Native American. Williams children were William E. b. 1884 in Indiana, Died 1888 in Speed, Indiana. Orville C. b, 1887, William A, b, 1890, Goldie b, 1892 died as a child, Harry R., b, 1895 Quincy, b, 1898, and Edna b, 1900. All children were born in Clark County, Indiana.

Moses Fleming married Irene Crossman. This couple and descendants are found in Ticonderoga/Crown Point Essex Co NY and Monkton/Bridport, VT. Moses and Irene had the following children: 1. David R. Fleming, born 4 May 1834 Crown Point NY ...married Sarah Levanway 20 Dec 1857 Bridport, Addison Co VT ...died 15 Sep 1907 Chester, Warren Co NY; buried Pottersville ...children: .....i. George W., born 7 Nov 1860 Bridport; died 20 Feb 1900 Warrensburg ........Warren Co NY .....ii. Allen .....others? 2. Elijah Fleming, born ca.1827 Crown Point NY ...married Permilia Bingham (she died 29 Dec 1889 Monkton VT) ...died 15 Dec 1875 Monkton VT age 53 ...children: .....i. Herman B. born Feb 1856 Ticonderoga NY ........married Jenette Burt 2 Jun 1879 Monkton VT .....ii. William, born 1858 .....others? 3. Eliakim Fleming, born Dec 1820 (or 1825, or 1827) ...marr/ Mary Boatwell 6 Apr 1847 Monkton VT ...marr/2 Julia A. Dorman ...children: .....i. Albert, born 1848; marr Mary J. Crossman .....ii. James Franklin, born 1850; marr Mary Carrington .....iii. Daniel B., born 1852; marr Anna Fitch .....iv. Ellen, born 1858 .....v. Rhoda A.E., born July 1873 Ticonderoga 4. Ashil or Ashbil, 1836 (from unproven record) 5. Frank Arthur, born 25 Dec 1838 ...marr Miranda Judith May. 6. Fuller, born 1840 (not proven) 7. Alzina Relief, born 23 Jun 1841 ...marr Parker LeRoy West There was also listed on one census: Arthur Clayton, born ca.1836 William F. born 1844 Perhaps Frank Arthur is Frank Arthur Clayton; Fuller may be William Fuller. If anybody needs specific info, I may be able to add more details. Bob

Ancestors of John Fleming Generation No. 1 1. John Fleming, born 1777; died 1841. He married (1) Christina Smith. Notes for John Fleming: In 1819, he came to Ohio, having purchased an interest in the Ohio Land Company's grant. Being possessed of considerable means, he contributed liberally in the upbuilding of the country. Knowing of the scarcity of money in the west, he brought several hundred dollars in silver, mostly of the denomination of one dollar, which were carefully divided in half or quartered, as the case demanded, in making change. After remaining in Ohio six years, he returned to New York City, taking his family with him. John Fleming died there in 1841, and his wife, Christina (Smith) Fleming, died in Ames township in 1863. In the Amesville Census for 1820, John Fleming is shown to be over 45, Christina, his wife, is shown to be 26-45. They had four children, two boys under 10, two girls under 10. More About John Fleming: Fact 1: Buried in unknown cemetery, New York More About Christina Smith: Fact 1: Buried in Gardner Cemetery, Ames Township, Athens County, Ohio Children of John Fleming and Christina Smith are: i. Jane Fleming, born Abt. 1810; married Charles Weed. ii. Martin Fleming, born 1813; died January 08, 1896; married Christina Wagner December 13, 1857. More About Martin Fleming: Fact 1: need to prove his relationship to Daniel Fact 2: Date of Death from Athens County Death Records. iii. Samuel Fleming, born 1814; died 1888. More About Samuel Fleming: Fact 1: need to prove his relationship to Daniel iv. Daniel Fleming, born October 22, 1822 in Bishopville, Ohio; died 1912 in Florida; married Lucy P. Gardner May 16, 1846. Notes for Daniel Fleming: ******************** Daniel Fleming was born in Athens county near Bishopville, October 22, 1822. He is the son of John and Christina Fleming. John Fleming was born in Germany in 1777, and came to the United States and settled in New York at the age of fifteen. Our subject attended the public and private schools of New York until about seventeen years of age, when he secured work on a sailing vessel plying between New York and New Orleans, making several trips between those points. Becoming acquainted with the engineers of the "New York and Harlem" Railway, then being built by George Law, one of the few millionaries of that day, he engaged as fireman on one of their crude, but at that time wonderful engines. He was afterwards sent to the "Mohawk and Hudson" Railway, which connected Schenectady and Albany. In this position, he was an engineer and ran the "John Bull," an engine which was built in England, and which was exhibited at the Columbian Exposition held at Chicago in 1893. He was also employed on the steam vessel, "Oregon," which, owing to her size and the fact that she was propelled by steam, was an object of much curiosity. In 1845, Mr. Fleming returned to Ohio and the scenes of his childhood, and purchased a farm of fifty acres; he was married May 16, 1846 to Lucy P. Gardner, daughter of Thomas and Margaret (Smith) Gardner. Thirteen children were born to them, seven of which survive- Joseph, William, John, Theodore, Lincoln, Julia, and Edith. SOURCE: " The Centennial Atlas of Athens County, 1905, p. 128" **Athens Messenger has an article telling of the Fleming and McKinley families going to the Smithsonian to see the exhibit of the John Bull. I will insert newspaper article here.

Greetings to all interested in Flemming, Fleming and Flemings--among my father's brothers and sisters all three variants were used. I am looking for data on Moses Flemming who was born in Ticonderoga, NY around 1796, worked as a basket maker, married Iona, had at least one son, Elijah, who was born in Crown Point, NY in 1822. Elijah married Permelia Bingham and moved to Vermont where he died 15 December 1875 in Monkton. He and Permelia are buried in Monkton, Vermont. I appreciate any and all leads. Don Flemming

My great grandfather, Ira Nelson Fleming (1830-1895) came to Delaware County , Iowa and settled near Manchester. He had three marriages. The first was to Eleanor Rowe, who bore him one daughter, Rose Alice, who married Eugene Draper. The second marriage was to Samantha Tony of Pennsylvania ( my great grandmother). They had the following children, Charles Arthur (1861-1907) my grandfather, Eleanor May (Nellie) who married Jack Priest and had two sons, Loyd and Lyle, Francis Amelia who married Henry U. Wilson and had one son, and Max Fleming. Ira's third marriage was to Fanny Dixon and they had two son's, Pearl and Pin. Charles Arthur Fleming, my grandfather was born in Delaware County, Iowa in 1861. His family moved to Macon County, Missouri in 1865 and he married Minerva Ford (my grandmather) in 1883. At some point, they moved back to Manchester, Iowa. They had the following children; Everett Arthur, Lonnie Clair, Florence May, Francis Eliza, Alice Ula, Zelma, Fred Ford and my father, Paul Victor Fleming (1905-1983). Paul V. Fleming married my mother, Ruth Adele Clair Schmeling and had the following children; Iria Anne, Charles Arthur II, Judith Ruth, Paulette Jean ( myself), Linda Marianne and Brian Douglas Fleming. I am looking for any Flemings who may have this same family history or even a part of it along with their own. I would like to find out anything more about the Flemings history. I would like to find family. The information I have written was the history my father had written long ago and I had just found it from a cousin. Thank-You, Paulette ( Fleming) Perez

I appreciate the Fleming history. I wish I had my line back a couple generations. I'll keep your record on file. Thanks again. Bob

As lords of Slane, the Flemings held sway in Meath, Ireland until the end of the 17th century. The Flemings became Gaelicized and exerted their efforts to repel later invaders.They supported the Stuart cause and believed the Stuart family to be the rightful rulers of England. However, when King Charles Stuart was executed and Oliver Cromwell assumed leadership of England by military force, the Flemings and others who were Royalists, were stripped of their lands and titles in the confiscations that followed the broken Treaty of Limerick. Thomas Fleming ( 1593-1666), eldest son of the Baron of Slane, was Archbishop of Dublin and a prominent leader inthe Catholic Confederation. Father Patrick Fleming ( 1599-1666) was a noted Francisan scholar. His career ended in Praque where he was Rector of the Francisan Collage when he was killed by Calvinists. Arthur Flaming, youngest son of the Baron of Slane (1610-1680) migrated to Eastern Canada about 1650 and is burried in the Province of Quebec, Canada. A son of Arthur (name unknown), moved to the state of Vermont and settled near what is now Burlington, Vermont. Arthur had a son, William (1700-1760). William had a son, Charles (1730-1800). Charles had a son, Victor (1755-1845) who married a girl named Metcalf, whose sister was the mother of the 24th. U.S. President, Stephen Grover Clevland (1837-1908). Victor Fleming had five children, Ira Nelson Fleming (my Great Grandfather),Charles, Jerusha, Roxanna and a infant daughter who died.

My first known Fleming was William le Bec, who was a Benedictine Monk who originated in Flanders. During times of war, he was a military leader. In the year, 1066, Duke Willian of Normandy, recruited a army to gain the crown of England from the Anglo-Saxon rulers. William le Bec accompaied Duke William to England. William of Normandy was crowned King of England on Christmas day, 1066. William le Bec was given a barony and a large area of land to govern. William le Bec was soon known as william le flandenis, this was again changed to the Anglican " le Flemyng", again to " le Fleming", and finally just plain " fleming". All of course, meaning " william, the man from Flanders". Baron william le Bec ( Fleming), former monk and soldier, married a woman of Normandy and had several children. One son, Richard le Fleming, was granted the barony of Slane and other estates in County Meath, Ireland.

Does anyone have any info on the Fleming family of Kilkenny Ireland- or any family of that name in Ireland? My ancesor was Edward Fleming. He was born about 1815, and married Mary Unknown. She outlived him, and joined a widows convent in Kilkenny where she died about 1888. Issue- Gabrielle, born abt 1845, came to America- no further info, but may have lived in Jersey City NJ MARIA, b 1846/7, came to America 1864, married William WHELAN, resided at Jersey City NJ. Any help appreciated! Jim Miller

I am researching the family of Henry Fleming who was born on board the ship "William and Ann" in Sydney Cove on 28 Aug 1791. His parents were Joseph and Mary Fleming. Joseph was a member of the NSW Corps. Henry was baptised on 11 Sep 1791 at St John's Parramatta, and married Elizabeth Hall on 18 Feb 1810 in the same church. The couple had 11 children, Joseph 1811, James 1812, George 1813, John henry 1816, Mary Ann 1818, Elizabeth 1821, Margaret 1823 Elizabeth 1825, Jane 1830, Henry 1833 and Frances 1834. Henry died on 11 Dec 1838 in Macdonald Valley and is buried at St Albans Old General Cemetery. I have a lot more information of the children and their descendants and would be willing to share it with anyone also researching this branch of the Flemings. Elaine Jones [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>