Thanks - Julie - for clearing up my confusion. I did not know the one in Jax was referred to as the Wiley Cemetery. What is the source of that bit of info? I would be interested to know what the condition of the Jax one is now. The Jax one is much smaller than the one on Lorreto Rd. Is the Jax one owned and managed by the Immaculate Conception Roman Catholic Church? My reason for asking is that I suspect my Taylor family may have gone to this church in its early days after they came back from Texas via Enterprise Fl. If so, there may be records of them in the church's archives, if not burned up in the early 1900s fire. There is a web site about the history of this church, if anyone is interested. Go to Google. Thanks for asking about me. For an almost 80 year old I am doing great. I hope you are doing well too. We are about to leave town for a few days and I may "unsubscribe" from FLDUVAL for that period of time, so if mail to me bounces you will know why. My best wishes. Ed T of PGH -------- On Jun 11, 2007, at 11:10 PM, tjhowell1 wrote: > Hi Ed - Sorry to be so long in answering. We just got back into > town. Hope this finds you doing well. > > The Catholic cemetery you are referring to is part of Wiley Cemetery > (aka Old City Cemetery) in downtown Jacksonville. The cemetery Ann > was asking about is out in Mandarin on Loretto Road at Old St. > Augustine Rd. > > Julie > > From: Edgar Taylor > To: Tony & Julie Howell > Cc: flduval@rootsweb.com > Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2007 2:10 PM > Subject: St. Joseph's Cemetery - Re: [FLDUVAL] Julie Thames Howell > > Hi Julie - Are you are referring to the St. Joseph's Cemetery across > the alley north of the Old City Cemetery in Jacksonville? Perhaps not. > It has been many years since I went there but when I did it was not in > very good shape, "stone wise". The discouraging thing was that many of > the grave stones were piled up against the fence, some broken and > probably some missing. Hopefully the church has straightened out the > problems. > > But I was fortunate in that the grave stone of my great great > grandmother Catherine (Joaneda aka Floyd) Taylor was at ground level as > were her daughter Carol Taylor (Hedrick) Ochus and her granddaughter > and the granddaughter's husband. In a back corner also at ground level > was Carol's son Augustus Ochus and his wife, Minnie. I hope the stones > are still there and still in good shape, but I would not be surprised > if they are not there. That cemetery was not in a very safe area. > > But maybe you are referring to the cemetery near Mandarin. > Ed T of PGH > ------------ > On May 29, 2007, at 9:24 AM, tjhowell1 wrote: > >> Hi Ann - I'm here. New email address is: tjhowell1@bellsouth.net. >> Sorry you had trouble getting ahold of me. >> >> Unfortunately I do not have an actual survey for St. Joseph's >> Cemetery. When I contacted the church about allowing us to put their >> cemetery records on-line, some of the members of the church balked at >> the idea. What they agreed to was to let me put my name on the >> on-line cemetery name as a contact person and I would then, in turn, >> give an inquirer the names and phone numbers of the persons at St. >> Joseph's to contact. Rather like going around your elbow to get to >> your nose, but there it is. I have not contacted these people in >> quite a while so do not know if these gentlemen are still there; >> should you find the info has changed I'd appreciate your letting me >> know so i can update my records.> >> >> Steve Connley - (904)828-7820 >> >> Peter Dobrie (who is on the Cemetery Commission) - (904)260-2657 >> >> St. Joseph's Church - (904)268-5422 (in case Steve or Peter's numbers >> have changed or you can't get ahold of them for some reason.) >> >> Julie Thames Howell >> Jacksonville, Florida > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > FLDUVAL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Ed - If you go to http://www.cowart.info/MyWeb.htm some pictures of the Old City Cemetery (aka Willey Cemetery) are posted. The land at the corner of Union and Catherine Streets was donated in 1852 to the city of Jacksonville by Captain and Mrs. Charles Willey for a cemetery. This information is also available from T. Frederick Davis' book on the history of Jacksonville, and on http://www.metrojacksonville.com/content/view/411/95/. Just for the sake of completeness, the Old City Cemetery (aka Willey Cemetery) is also known as the Old Duval Colored Cemetery. A 1990s copy of the city plat map of the cemetery indicates that the cemetery(ies) is a rectangular shape with a street dividing the rectangle in half lengthwise. The street is called, appropriately, Cemetery Street. The left side of the rectangle is labeled OAKLAND 122050-0000 and is divided into "Duval Cemetery", "Colored Cemetery", and Old City Cemetery. Oakland refers to the name of the area of town; the number is the real estate number of the entire cemetery parcel. On the right side of the street, the rectangle is divided this way: the north half is divided up into 40 residential lots labeled "Cole's S/D PT BLK 1 P BK 1-125 1-145 OAKLAND 2143 122067-0000." The 'translation' is: Cole's Subdivision, part of block 1, Plat Book(s) 1 page 125 and Plat Book 1, page 145, Oakland, 2143 (subdivision number), 122067-0000 (real estate number of this particular parcel of lots). Below these lots, still in the right half of the rectangle, is "Cemetery" - part of the Old City Cemetery and, at the front corner, "Park". The streets bordering the block are: Jessie Street, Washington Street, Union Street, and Ionia Street.If anyone wants a copy of this plat map, I'll be happy to fax it to you if you give me your fax number. A message posted to the FLDUVAL list back in May 2000 indicates that "one stone in St. Joseph's, the Catholic section of the Old City Cemetery, bears the date 1827. Deep excavations in the Protestant area have revealed several skeletons, all buried with nead to the north and feet to the south. Since the cemetery is higher than the surrounding area, it may have been an Indian burial ground. Prior to the opening of Willey, or Old City Cemetery, the yard of St. Johns Episcopal Church had been the chief burying ground for the Jacksonville Community. In 1853 the church decreed that there should be no more burials in the church yard and urged that bodies be removed and reinterred in the new cemetery owned by the city." There has also been some discussion on various lists that not all of the bodies were removed from the grounds of St. Johns Episcopal Church. The cemetery is in decent condition. The pictures on those websites will give you some idea. It doesn't have much in the way of vegetation - grass, shrubs, etc. - but it's kept pretty clean. I would certainly think that Immaculate Conception Catholic Church might have some records on the Catholic section of Old City Cemetery. If they don't, you might contact the Catholic Diocese in St. Augustine. Their web site is at http://www.dosafl.com/. If diocese records were kept in St. Augustine, the 1901 Jacksonville fire wouldn't have had any effect on them. Julie From: Edgar Taylor To: flduval@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2007 8:55 AM Subject: Re: [FLDUVAL] St. Joseph's Cemetery - Re: Julie Thames Howell Thanks - Julie - for clearing up my confusion. I did not know the one in Jax was referred to as the Wiley Cemetery. What is the source of that bit of info? I would be interested to know what the condition of the Jax one is now. The Jax one is much smaller than the one on Lorreto Rd. Is the Jax one owned and managed by the Immaculate Conception Roman Catholic Church? My reason for asking is that I suspect my Taylor family may have gone to this church in its early days after they came back from Texas via Enterprise Fl. If so, there may be records of them in the church's archives, if not burned up in the early 1900s fire. There is a web site about the history of this church, if anyone is interested. Go to Google. Thanks for asking about me. For an almost 80 year old I am doing great. I hope you are doing well too. We are about to leave town for a few days and I may "unsubscribe" from FLDUVAL for that period of time, so if mail to me bounces you will know why. My best wishes. Ed T of PGH