I am a member of St. Joseph's Church. When I inquired a couple of years ago about whether an ancestor was buried there, I was told that the church did not have records of the burials in the cemetery. If there has been a survey made since that time, I am not aware of it. St. Joseph's has a fairly good size cemetery, and the graves go back to the 1800s. The church recently increased the size of the cemetery. I don't think it would be objectionable for someone to survey the cemetery. I would like to do it myself, and if I ever finish the project I am now involved in, I thought I might. However, it is going to be quite a while before I will be available to do it. Apparently the contact persons that were named by Ms. Howell are willing to go to the cemetery and do lookups. L Mickler ----- Original Message ----- From: "mary kemp" <marykemp@comcast.net> To: "Tony & Julie Howell" <tjhowell1@bellsouth.net>; <flduval@rootsweb.com> Cc: <flduval@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2007 7:39 PM Subject: Re: [FLDUVAL] St. Joseph's Cemetery - Re: Julie Thames Howell > What doesn't make sense to me is why the church balked at putting names on > line. > Is this a very large cemetery? It could be possible that they may not > allow > you > to use church records and that would probably be legal but what if you > just > did a survey on your own? In 1999 and 2000 my husband and I went to NC > and took over 400 digital pictures of the various cemeteries hoping to > find > many > of my own genealogy researched ancestors. Rather than waste the photos we > donated them to the USGENWEBarchives archives of NC.. After I tweaked the > pictures I wrote the text formatted as instructed by the manager. It > worked > out > wonderfully. Could it be possible that you could do the same for St. > Joseph's Cemetery? > I have the site somewhere on my data base regarding Florida Law in regards > to cemeteries. > If you would like for me to locate the site I would be more than happy to > look for it. > I know they had a big to-do in NC because some homes were placed on land > sites of very > old cemeteries and the land owners were not allowing researchers to come > on > the property. > They looked up NC cemetery laws and found that they could legally do so. > They are still > working on the legality of it now. Good luck with your research. I guess > I > am a > trooper in my golden years.. If it were me I would take my camera, go to > the cemetery > with pad and pencil in hand and have at it. <smile,grin> Mary > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Edgar Taylor" <ertjr1@earthlink.net> > To: "Tony & Julie Howell" <tjhowell1@bellsouth.net> > Cc: <flduval@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2007 2:10 PM > Subject: [FLDUVAL] St. Joseph's Cemetery - Re: Julie Thames Howell > > >> Hi Julie - Are you are referring to the St. Joseph's Cemetery across >> the alley north of the Old City Cemetery in Jacksonville? Perhaps not. >> It has been many years since I went there but when I did it was not in >> very good shape, "stone wise". The discouraging thing was that many of >> the grave stones were piled up against the fence, some broken and >> probably some missing. Hopefully the church has straightened out the >> problems. >> >> But I was fortunate in that the grave stone of my great great >> grandmother Catherine (Joaneda aka Floyd) Taylor was at ground level as >> were her daughter Carol Taylor (Hedrick) Ochus and her granddaughter >> and the granddaughter's husband. In a back corner also at ground level >> was Carol's son Augustus Ochus and his wife, Minnie. I hope the stones >> are still there and still in good shape, but I would not be surprised >> if they are not there. That cemetery was not in a very safe area. >> >> But maybe you are referring to the cemetery near Mandarin. >> Ed T of PGH >> ------------ >> On May 29, 2007, at 9:24 AM, tjhowell1 wrote: >> >>> Hi Ann - I'm here. New email address is: tjhowell1@bellsouth.net. >>> Sorry you had trouble getting ahold of me. >>> >>> Unfortunately I do not have an actual survey for St. Joseph's >>> Cemetery. When I contacted the church about allowing us to put their >>> cemetery records on-line, some of the members of the church balked at >>> the idea. What they agreed to was to let me put my name on the >>> on-line cemetery name as a contact person and I would then, in turn, >>> give an inquirer the names and phone numbers of the persons at St. >>> Joseph's to contact. Rather like going around your elbow to get to >>> your nose, but there it is. I have not contacted these people in >>> quite a while so do not know if these gentlemen are still there; >>> should you find the info has changed I'd appreciate your letting me >>> know so i can update my records. >>> >>> >>> Steve Connley - (904)828-7820 >>> >>> Peter Dobrie (who is on the Cemetery Commission) - (904)260-2657 >>> >>> St. Joseph's Church - (904)268-5422 (in case Steve or Peter's numbers >>> have changed or you can't get ahold of them for some reason.) >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Julie Thames Howell >>> >>> Jacksonville, Florida >>> >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: Ann Parkinson >>> To: flduval@rootsweb.com >>> Sent: Monday, May 28, 2007 3:47 PM >>> Subject: [FLDUVAL] Julie Thames Howell >>> >>> >>> Julie, are you out there? Your e-mail addy on the >>> Cemetery transcription page is incorrect and I need a >>> look-up for St Joseph's. >>> >>> Anyone know if Julie is OK and what her new addy is? >>> >>> Many thanks! >>> >>> Ann Parkinson >>> Family Historian >>> >>> Researching: Blitch, Bruce, Burgsteiner, Gibson, Haupt, Lanier, Nance, >>> Parker, Parkinson, Parrish, Sanders/Saunders, Starkweather, Winberg, >>> Wolfe and allied families. >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> FLDUVAL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> FLDUVAL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > FLDUVAL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Thanks for the reply. This seems more reasonable. Sounds different anyway. I don't know how strict the laws were in the past but do think that the current cemetery laws require records. 10 years ago when my husband and I made pre-need arrangements with Evergreen Cemetery we had to pay for a deeded plot along with the cement in-ground vault, double bronze plate on granite, in advance because it was pre-need. Contracts were written. So on and so forth. I guess requirements can vary to a certain extent cemetery to cemetery. I know Each state has its own laws. Most of my ancestors are from NC and for the most part the burial records were in the courthouse. This did make documentation easier to access. Below is the site for Florida cemetery records. Lot to it but makes interesting reading <smile, grin>. Mary http://www.flsenate.gov/Statutes/index.cfm?Mode=Search%20Statutes&AppMode=Display_Results&Search_String=cemeteries&Start=61&NumPerPage=10&Submenu=2&Tab=statutes ----- Original Message ----- From: "lmickler" <lmickler@bellsouth.net> To: <flduval@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2007 9:37 PM Subject: Re: [FLDUVAL] St. Joseph's Cemetery - Re: Julie Thames Howell >I am a member of St. Joseph's Church. When I inquired a couple of years >ago > about whether an ancestor was buried there, I was told that the church did > not have records of the burials in the cemetery. If there has been a > survey > made since that time, I am not aware of it. > > St. Joseph's has a fairly good size cemetery, and the graves go back to > the > 1800s. The church recently increased the size of the cemetery. > > I don't think it would be objectionable for someone to survey the > cemetery. > I would like to do it myself, and if I ever finish the project I am now > involved in, I thought I might. However, it is going to be quite a while > before I will be available to do it. > > Apparently the contact persons that were named by Ms. Howell are willing > to > go to the cemetery and do lookups. > > L Mickler > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "mary kemp" <marykemp@comcast.net> > To: "Tony & Julie Howell" <tjhowell1@bellsouth.net>; > <flduval@rootsweb.com> > Cc: <flduval@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2007 7:39 PM > Subject: Re: [FLDUVAL] St. Joseph's Cemetery - Re: Julie Thames Howell > > >> What doesn't make sense to me is why the church balked at putting names >> on >> line. >> Is this a very large cemetery? It could be possible that they may not >> allow >> you >> to use church records and that would probably be legal but what if you >> just >> did a survey on your own? In 1999 and 2000 my husband and I went to NC >> and took over 400 digital pictures of the various cemeteries hoping to >> find >> many >> of my own genealogy researched ancestors. Rather than waste the photos >> we >> donated them to the USGENWEBarchives archives of NC.. After I tweaked >> the >> pictures I wrote the text formatted as instructed by the manager. It >> worked >> out >> wonderfully. Could it be possible that you could do the same for St. >> Joseph's Cemetery? >> I have the site somewhere on my data base regarding Florida Law in >> regards >> to cemeteries. >> If you would like for me to locate the site I would be more than happy to >> look for it. >> I know they had a big to-do in NC because some homes were placed on land >> sites of very >> old cemeteries and the land owners were not allowing researchers to come >> on >> the property. >> They looked up NC cemetery laws and found that they could legally do so. >> They are still >> working on the legality of it now. Good luck with your research. I >> guess >> I >> am a >> trooper in my golden years.. If it were me I would take my camera, go to >> the cemetery >> with pad and pencil in hand and have at it. <smile,grin> Mary >> >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Edgar Taylor" <ertjr1@earthlink.net> >> To: "Tony & Julie Howell" <tjhowell1@bellsouth.net> >> Cc: <flduval@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2007 2:10 PM >> Subject: [FLDUVAL] St. Joseph's Cemetery - Re: Julie Thames Howell >> >> >>> Hi Julie - Are you are referring to the St. Joseph's Cemetery across >>> the alley north of the Old City Cemetery in Jacksonville? Perhaps not. >>> It has been many years since I went there but when I did it was not in >>> very good shape, "stone wise". The discouraging thing was that many of >>> the grave stones were piled up against the fence, some broken and >>> probably some missing. Hopefully the church has straightened out the >>> problems. >>> >>> But I was fortunate in that the grave stone of my great great >>> grandmother Catherine (Joaneda aka Floyd) Taylor was at ground level as >>> were her daughter Carol Taylor (Hedrick) Ochus and her granddaughter >>> and the granddaughter's husband. In a back corner also at ground level >>> was Carol's son Augustus Ochus and his wife, Minnie. I hope the stones >>> are still there and still in good shape, but I would not be surprised >>> if they are not there. That cemetery was not in a very safe area. >>> >>> But maybe you are referring to the cemetery near Mandarin. >>> Ed T of PGH >>> ------------ >>> On May 29, 2007, at 9:24 AM, tjhowell1 wrote: >>> >>>> Hi Ann - I'm here. New email address is: tjhowell1@bellsouth.net. >>>> Sorry you had trouble getting ahold of me. >>>> >>>> Unfortunately I do not have an actual survey for St. Joseph's >>>> Cemetery. When I contacted the church about allowing us to put their >>>> cemetery records on-line, some of the members of the church balked at >>>> the idea. What they agreed to was to let me put my name on the >>>> on-line cemetery name as a contact person and I would then, in turn, >>>> give an inquirer the names and phone numbers of the persons at St. >>>> Joseph's to contact. Rather like going around your elbow to get to >>>> your nose, but there it is. I have not contacted these people in >>>> quite a while so do not know if these gentlemen are still there; >>>> should you find the info has changed I'd appreciate your letting me >>>> know so i can update my records. >>>> >>>> >>>> Steve Connley - (904)828-7820 >>>> >>>> Peter Dobrie (who is on the Cemetery Commission) - (904)260-2657 >>>> >>>> St. Joseph's Church - (904)268-5422 (in case Steve or Peter's numbers >>>> have changed or you can't get ahold of them for some reason.) >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Julie Thames Howell >>>> >>>> Jacksonville, Florida >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: Ann Parkinson >>>> To: flduval@rootsweb.com >>>> Sent: Monday, May 28, 2007 3:47 PM >>>> Subject: [FLDUVAL] Julie Thames Howell >>>> >>>> >>>> Julie, are you out there? Your e-mail addy on the >>>> Cemetery transcription page is incorrect and I need a >>>> look-up for St Joseph's. >>>> >>>> Anyone know if Julie is OK and what her new addy is? >>>> >>>> Many thanks! >>>> >>>> Ann Parkinson >>>> Family Historian >>>> >>>> Researching: Blitch, Bruce, Burgsteiner, Gibson, Haupt, Lanier, Nance, >>>> Parker, Parkinson, Parrish, Sanders/Saunders, Starkweather, Winberg, >>>> Wolfe and allied families. >>>> >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>> FLDUVAL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> FLDUVAL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> FLDUVAL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > FLDUVAL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

When I talked to the gentleman who was in the St. Joseph's Office he told me that the church has a map of where, and who, all the burials are. As I stated in my message to Mary Kemp, I don't think the church wants a survey done of the St. Joseph's Cemetery. I was given the distinct impression, in fact, that they were completely against anyone other than the church itself having a 'record' of the burials there. I was also given to believe that the church membership (particularly the 'older more established members') were very private about the names of their ancestors buried there and did not want it recorded, photographed, etc. by anyone. The names of the contact persons that I provided were the gentleman that I had originally spoken to (Steve Connley) and a man (Mr. Dobrie) that Mr. Connley said knew a great deal about the burials in St. Joseph's Cemetery. As I said in my earlier message, I don't know if either of those gentlemen are still connected actively with St. Joseph's. Julie From: lmickler To: flduval@rootsweb.com Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2007 9:37 PM Subject: Re: [FLDUVAL] St. Joseph's Cemetery - Re: Julie Thames Howell I am a member of St. Joseph's Church. When I inquired a couple of years ago about whether an ancestor was buried there, I was told that the church did not have records of the burials in the cemetery. If there has been a survey made since that time, I am not aware of it. St. Joseph's has a fairly good size cemetery, and the graves go back to the 1800s. The church recently increased the size of the cemetery. I don't think it would be objectionable for someone to survey the cemetery. I would like to do it myself, and if I ever finish the project I am now involved in, I thought I might. However, it is going to be quite a while before I will be available to do it. Apparently the contact persons that were named by Ms. Howell are willing to go to the cemetery and do lookups. L Mickler