Sorry for the delay in my response - we just got back into town after a couple of weeks away. When I originally went out to the St. Joseph's Cemetery I was doing a favor for a friend and making notes on burials of a certain surname. Even during the survey that I did of that one name, several people stopped me and asked what I was doing, what the disposition of the information was, etc. When I called the church office later, I discussed with the gentleman the possibility of doing a survey of the entire cemetery and putting it online on Rootsweb's Tombstone Transcription Project. I fully explained the TTP and how the information would be posted. He thought it was a good idea but said he would have to check with the membership of the church first as the burial information was about their relatives. When he called me back a few days afterward, he explained that many of the members balked at having ANY information in ANY form about their surname online. I asked him if I could at least post my name as a contact point so that I could pass interested researchers along to him, and to that he agreed. If someone wanted to do a survey of the cemetery, there's nothing in stopping them. But if the information is posted online apparently the membership is ready and more than willing to do whatever they must to prevent it. That was what I was told. Having been thus warned, I don't think it likely that I will do any surveys or take any photos of the tombstones there. If the church membership is against something, I have every intention of honoring their wishes. The cemetery is a fair size. I'm terrible at guessing footages, acreage, etc. so I won't venture any guesses in that area. Julie From: mary kemp Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2007 7:39 PM Subject: Re: [FLDUVAL] St. Joseph's Cemetery - Re: Julie Thames Howell What doesn't make sense to me is why the church balked at putting names on line. Is this a very large cemetery? It could be possible that they may not allow you to use church records and that would probably be legal but what if you just did a survey on your own? In 1999 and 2000 my husband and I went to NC and took over 400 digital pictures of the various cemeteries hoping to find many of my own genealogy researched ancestors. Rather than waste the photos we donated them to the USGENWEBarchives archives of NC.. After I tweaked the pictures I wrote the text formatted as instructed by the manager. It worked out wonderfully. Could it be possible that you could do the same for St. Joseph's Cemetery? I have the site somewhere on my data base regarding Florida Law in regards to cemeteries. If you would like for me to locate the site I would be more than happy to look for it. I know they had a big to-do in NC because some homes were placed on land sites of very old cemeteries and the land owners were not allowing researchers to come on the property.They looked up NC cemetery laws and found that they could legally do so. They are still working on the legality of it now. Good luck with your research. I guess I am a trooper in my golden years.. If it were me I would take my camera, go to the cemetery with pad and pencil in hand and have at it. <smile,grin> Mary

I don't doubt at all what you are saying, but as a member of that church, I was certainly unaware of this, and no one asked me if I objected. I am going to ask our pastor if he has any objections to the cemetery being surveyed and the survey being posted online. If he does not object, I will let you know. I had actually talked to the secretary a few years ago about surveying it in the future, and she thought it was a good idea. I really don't have time to do it now. My idea was to survey it and possibly put the survey in booklet form to be sold by the church as a money-raising venture. I didn't plan to photograph the tombstones as part of it, though. L. Mickler ----- Original Message ----- From: "tjhowell1" <tjhowell1@bellsouth.net> To: <flduval@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, June 11, 2007 11:24 PM Subject: Re: [FLDUVAL] St. Joseph's Cemetery - Re: Julie Thames Howell > Sorry for the delay in my response - we just got back into town after a > couple of weeks away. > > When I originally went out to the St. Joseph's Cemetery I was doing a > favor for a friend and making notes on burials of a certain surname. Even > during the survey that I did of that one name, several people stopped me > and asked what I was doing, what the disposition of the information was, > etc. When I called the church office later, I discussed with the > gentleman the possibility of doing a survey of the entire cemetery and > putting it online on Rootsweb's Tombstone Transcription Project. I fully > explained the TTP and how the information would be posted. He thought it > was a good idea but said he would have to check with the membership of the > church first as the burial information was about their relatives. When he > called me back a few days afterward, he explained that many of the members > balked at having ANY information in ANY form about their surname online. > I asked him if I could at least post my name as a contact point so that I > could pass interested researchers along ! > to him, and to that he agreed. If someone wanted to do a survey of the > cemetery, there's nothing in stopping them. But if the information is > posted online apparently the membership is ready and more than willing to > do whatever they must to prevent it. That was what I was told. Having > been thus warned, I don't think it likely that I will do any surveys or > take any photos of the tombstones there. If the church membership is > against something, I have every intention of honoring their wishes. > > The cemetery is a fair size. I'm terrible at guessing footages, acreage, > etc. so I won't venture any guesses in that area. > > Julie > > From: mary kemp > Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2007 7:39 PM > Subject: Re: [FLDUVAL] St. Joseph's Cemetery - Re: Julie Thames Howell > > > What doesn't make sense to me is why the church balked at putting names on > line. > Is this a very large cemetery? It could be possible that they may not > allow > you to use church records and that would probably be legal but what if > you just did a survey on your own? In 1999 and 2000 my husband and I went > to NC and took over 400 digital pictures of the various cemeteries hoping > to find many of my own genealogy researched ancestors. Rather than waste > the photos we donated them to the USGENWEBarchives archives of NC.. After > I tweaked the pictures I wrote the text formatted as instructed by the > manager. It worked out wonderfully. Could it be > possible that you could do the same for St. Joseph's Cemetery? > I have the site somewhere on my data base regarding Florida Law in regards > to cemeteries. If you would like for me to locate the site I would be > more than happy to look for it. I know they had a big to-do in NC because > some homes were placed on land sites of very old cemeteries and the land > owners were not allowing researchers to come on the property.They > looked up NC cemetery laws and found that they could legally do so. > They are still working on the legality of it now. Good luck with your > research. I guess I am a trooper in my golden years.. If it were me I > would > take my camera, go to the cemetery with pad and pencil in hand and have at > it. <smile,grin> Mary > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > FLDUVAL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I can't tell you what year I did the one-name survey for my friend, and subsequently talked to Mr. Connely. I would make a stab at about 2000-2001ish. I only know what I said in my messages. If the church allows someone to do a survey, that's great. If the church allows the survey to be put on-line, even better. Good luck in your venture. Julie Hello Julie, I don't know either of the gentlemen you named at St. Joseph's, so I don't know if they are still there. I am a member of the "older more established families" at St. Joseph's, and I never heard anything about this before now. This must have been something that was decided by the new cemetery commission which I think was established in the last few years when our pastor decided we needed to increase the size of the cemetery. St. Joseph's has grown in the last 25 yrs. from a church of about 800 families to one of over 4,000 families. Our pastor is very busy, but I will try to catch him after Mass and ask him if there are any objections to having the cemetery surveyed and the findings being made available to genealogists. L. Mickler ----- Original Message ----- From: lmickler To: flduval@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, June 11, 2007 11:35 PM Subject: Re: [FLDUVAL] St. Joseph's Cemetery - Re: Julie Thames Howell I don't doubt at all what you are saying, but as a member of that church, I was certainly unaware of this, and no one asked me if I objected. I am going to ask our pastor if he has any objections to the cemetery being surveyed and the survey being posted online. If he does not object, I will let you know. I had actually talked to the secretary a few years ago about surveying it in the future, and she thought it was a good idea. I really don't have time to do it now. My idea was to survey it and possibly put the survey in booklet form to be sold by the church as a money-raising venture. I didn't plan to photograph the tombstones as part of it, though. L. Mickler

Lucy Ames Edwards "Grave Markers of Duval County - 1808 - 1916" has info on the St. Joseph's Cemetery in Jax, the Loretta one, the Old City Cemetery, and the Hebrew Cemetery, among many more. She also mentions that there were or are burial certificates in the office of the "Health Officer", which apparently she included in her book. Ed T of PGH -------------- On Jun 11, 2007, at 11:24 PM, tjhowell1 wrote: > Sorry for the delay in my response - we just got back into town after > a couple of weeks away. > > When I originally went out to the St. Joseph's Cemetery I was doing a > favor for a friend and making notes on burials of a certain surname. > Even during the survey that I did of that one name, several people > stopped me and asked what I was doing, what the disposition of the > information was, etc. When I called the church office later, I > discussed with the gentleman the possibility of doing a survey of the > entire cemetery and putting it online on Rootsweb's Tombstone > Transcription Project. I fully explained the TTP and how the > information would be posted. He thought it was a good idea but said > he would have to check with the membership of the church first as the > burial information was about their relatives. When he called me back > a few days afterward, he explained that many of the members balked at > having ANY information in ANY form about their surname online. I > asked him if I could at least post my name as a contact point so that > I could pass interested researchers along ! > to him, and to that he agreed. If someone wanted to do a survey of > the cemetery, there's nothing in stopping them. But if the > information is posted online apparently the membership is ready and > more than willing to do whatever they must to prevent it. That was > what I was told. Having been thus warned, I don't think it likely > that I will do any surveys or take any photos of the tombstones there. > If the church membership is against something, I have every intention > of honoring their wishes. > > The cemetery is a fair size. I'm terrible at guessing footages, > acreage, etc. so I won't venture any guesses in that area. > > Julie > > From: mary kemp > Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2007 7:39 PM > Subject: Re: [FLDUVAL] St. Joseph's Cemetery - Re: Julie Thames Howell > > > What doesn't make sense to me is why the church balked at putting > names on line. > Is this a very large cemetery? It could be possible that they may not > allow > you to use church records and that would probably be legal but what > if you just did a survey on your own? In 1999 and 2000 my husband and > I went to NC and took over 400 digital pictures of the various > cemeteries hoping to find many of my own genealogy researched > ancestors. Rather than waste the photos we donated them to the > USGENWEBarchives archives of NC.. After I tweaked the pictures I > wrote the text formatted as instructed by the manager. It worked out > wonderfully. Could it be > possible that you could do the same for St. Joseph's Cemetery? > I have the site somewhere on my data base regarding Florida Law in > regards to cemeteries. If you would like for me to locate the site I > would be > more than happy to look for it. I know they had a big to-do in NC > because > some homes were placed on land sites of very old cemeteries and the > land > owners were not allowing researchers to come on the property.They > looked up NC cemetery laws and found that they could legally do so. > They are still working on the legality of it now. Good luck with your > research. I guess I am a trooper in my golden years.. If it were me > I would > take my camera, go to the cemetery with pad and pencil in hand and > have at it. <smile,grin> Mary > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > FLDUVAL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >