If you pay in advance by check or cash, they will mail you the results. If you use a credit card or want a rush job it will cost you a lot more. I just received mine after only 10 days.

I don't know of anywhere other than ordering the death certificates, but if you locate a source, I'd love to know. Sometimes, the obits help. Check the old newspapers in the library. It's time consuming but sometimes it pans out. Good Luck!

Is there anyone that knows of a method to obtain birth & death infomation without having to pay $15-$19 for every piece of information from the State Vital Statistics office? I don't necessarily need the certificates I just want the information. Thank you Dale Williams

Hi Gang, I just up loaded my web site at http:www.negia.net/~billh How do you make the address become internet?????? Bill Hoey Happy hunting. ~:)>

I just thought I'd pass this along to all the list I belong to. -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2001 6:50 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [YOUNG] Genealogy Scams-from another list! Genealogy scams in general: Genealogical Web Site Watchdog (only for online scams) at: http://www.ancestordetective.com/watchdog.htm The National Genealogical Society's Consumer Protection Committee is quite active at keeping an eye on the various scams, including both online and offline fraudsters. If you have a question about a particular company's services, you can contact the NGS Consumer Protection Committee via traditional mail at: National Genealogical Society's Consumer Protection Committee, at 4527 17th Street North, Arlington, VA 22207- 2399. The committee also maintains Web pages at: http://www.ngsgenealogy.org/comconsumer.htm and at: http://www.ngsgenealogy.org/comconsumerpsst.htm. However, those pages do not mention specific companies. Cyndi's List has a section for genealogy myths, hoaxes and scams at: http://www.cyndislist.com/myths.htm Specific companies: I have received e-mail about the following companies; all have been mentioned as having questionable services. I have listed URLs where you can obtain further information: Family Discovery.com - an online Web site that claims to have "the Web's most versatile Award Winning collection of genealogical databases." However, they don't mention the "award" they received from the Better Business Bureau! The Bureau says, "Based on BBB files, this company has an unsatisfactory record with the Bureau due to unanswered complaint(s)." Family Discovery.com charges $59.99 for a one- year subscription. Most of the same information is available elsewhere on the Web at no charge. In fact, many of the links on FamilyDiscovery.com simply take you to free Web sites. You can obtain the same information at no cost by using one of the free search engines. Details are available on the Genealogical Web Site Watchdog site at: http://www.ancestordetective.com/watchdog.htm#Warning. There is an Anti-FamilyDiscovery.com newsletter at: http://compuright.dyndns.org/familydiscovery/ The xxx Family Yearbook - In this case, substitute your last name for the "xxx." For instance, an advertisement sent to a person named Smith would be advertising The Smith Family Yearbook while someone named Clark would receive an advertisement for The Clark Family Yearbook. These "yearbooks" claim to have genealogy information. However, those who purchase the "products" are usually disappointed. The producing company has several business names; for example, you can find them listed as Mountain West News Service or as the Mountain Pacific News Service. They also may appear as an organizational name, such as "The Smith Family Yearbook." However, all these "companies" have the same address: 1181 S. Parker Road, #105, Denver, CO 80231. The Better Business Bureau lists the parent company as MORPHCORP. The News Herald of Panama City, Florida has an article about these "products" at: http://www.newsherald.com/articles/2000/04/16/tp041600.htm Family Tree House - I wrote about this company in the October 31, 1998 edition of this newsletter. The company gives an appearance of a Web site that offers genealogy services. In fact, it does not appear to sell anything. However, the same company advertises on another Web site with an offer to sell personal information obtained from genealogists who visit the Family Tree House site. You innocently enter personal information about yourself on Family Tree House and then operators of the site sell your personal information to bulk mail companies. Information for sale includes name, address, e-mail address and more. You can read that article at: http://ancestordetective.com/watchdog.htm#sells The Historical Research Center (HRC) International, Inc. sells "family histories" and coats of arms. Information about the true value of these products can be found on the Genealogical Web Site Watchdog site at: http://www.ancestordetective.com/watchdog.htm#Coats. Keep in mind that this company sells franchises. A few years ago they were listed as one of the top 30 fastest growing franchises in America. You may find their products being sold by other companies who purchase franchises. One such company is Names.com, but apparently there are many others as well. The International Hall of Names in Canada also sells "family histories" and coats of arms. They are also mentioned on the Genealogical Web Site Watchdog site at: http://www.ancestordetective.com/watchdog.htm#Coats. I would caution anyone to be careful about "family coats of arms." In fact, in England, Wales, Scotland, Ireland, and most of western Europe, there really is no such thing as a family coat of arms. In those countries, arms have always been awarded to individuals, not to families. Displaying a coat of arms that you are not authorized to use is a form of identity theft, even if you do happen to have the same last name as the original grantee. Any company offering to sell you a copy of "your family's coat of arms" is selling a bogus product. If you believe you have been the victim of a genealogy scam, you can do something about it! If you purchased products or services from the above companies or any others that you feel did not live up to advertised claims, demand a refund! If your money is not returned within 30 days or so from a U.S. company, submit a complaint to the Federal Trade Commission (FTC) Bureau of Consumer Protection at: https://rn.ftc.gov/dod/wsolcq$.startup?Z_ORG_CODE=PU01. A few letters of inquiry from the federal government will send a strong message to the people who produce products or services of questionable value. If a Canadian company is involved, you can register a complaint at: http://strategis.ic.gc.ca/SSG/ct01250e.html. You also might want to warn other genealogists and tell them of your experiences. You can post a message to others in the "Scams and Fraud" section of CompuServe's Genealogy Techniques Forum message board. Go to: http://forums.compuserve.com/vlforums/default.asp?SRV=GenealogyForum&AREA=Ms gs&SEC=15&loc=us&access=public ______________________________

I am doing research on Ruben Williams. He was african-american, died probably in 1931 and possibly in Lake County, Florida though he lived in Duval County. I would like to know his parents' names and any background information if anyone can help me. He was married to Nancy Mills, who died in 1953, and had 3 children Thelma, Clayton & Malachi. Also if anyone has any information on Nancy Mills and her background it would be greatly appreciated. D. Williams

I am searching for any information on Rutherford B. Hill. He was an African-American born around 1878 and died in 1948 in Duval County. He had a wife named Daisy and two children Burchard and Vivian. Both children died in the 1920s. Rutherford was an educator and in the life insurance business. His parents were Henry and Charlotte Hill. Any related info on Rutherford or any family members would be appreciated.

The National Genalogical Society offers a research service for entries in the AMA Deceased Physician File. From their ad in their latest newsletter: "Records are best for physicians who died after 1906 and before 1969. Information in the database usually includes date and place of birth and death, medical school attended, place of practice, hospital affiliation and citation to an obituary." Research Fee: $15 per name (prepayment required) Include: First and Last Name of Physician Time Period Location (if known) Write to: National Genealogical Society Attn: Deceased Physician File 4527 17th Street North Arlington, VA 22207-2399 DearMYRTLE'S Archive web site states: "This collection is described as: incomplete from 1878 to 1905 comprehensive from 1906 to 1969" http://familytreemaker.genealogy.com/71_marthe.html?Welcome=984873018 has information on "Was There a Doctor in the House? Vital Records: Directory of Deceased American Physicians, 1804–1929 (Family Archive 507) Reviewed by Marthe Arends". The CD might be available at the Public Library. You might also be able to find the two-volume set of the Directory of Deceased American Physicians, which the above CD is based on, at the public library. The above states that it was edited by Arthur W. Hafner and produced from a card file held by the American Medical Association. Hope this helps, Ann jjrollin wrote: > I am trying to obtain information on a Dr. Henry von Balsam, a port of Jacksonville physician in 1855. Does anyone have any suggestions as to where to start? I know he became a Dentist here in St. Augustine after 1860 but can not determine where to start for the information on his occupation as a physician for the port of Jacksonville in 1855. Thank you for any assisatance in this matter > Judy Rollins St. Augustine, Florida

Is there someone researching the family of Lew/Lewellen/Lewelling Williams of Alachua Co, FL as early as abt 1820. There are either several Lew/Lewellen/Lewelling Williams from abt 1820 to 1867 (for Alachua Co) or just one with different spelling threw out his life. I have no birth date, no parentage, but I know that Nancy Williams (b? d abt 1872) is listed as daughter from probate records Alachua Co., and she married James Pendarvis in Newnansville, Alachua County, FL. Nancy (d 1872) is either his daughter or g-daughter. Any info would be great for Lew or Nancy. thanks. [email protected]

At 11:29 3/17/2001 -0500, you wrote: >I am trying to obtain information on a Dr. Henry von Balsam, a port of Jacksonville physician in 1855. Does anyone have any suggestions as to where to start? I know he became a Dentist here in St. Augustine after 1860 but can not determine where to start for the information on his occupation as a physician for the port of Jacksonville in 1855. Thank you for any assisatance in this matter >Judy Rollins St. Augustine, Florida > Hio Judy, My grandfather William H. Hoey was a doctor in Atlanta,Ga Ran across an E-Mail address <[email protected]> and they sent me a copy of the certificate, he granuated from Hospital Med Coll. in 1909 Atlanta, Ga. 1-800-473 0060 ext 331 National Genealogical Society 4527 17th Street North Arilington, Va 22207-2399 Also try LDS. They my have a copy of his records.. Good hunting ~:)> Bill Hoey Good >

Hi to the one wanting information on Hernandez there is some information on a General Hernandez on page 102 and also a picture of him on page 100 he is listed as Joseph M Hernandez dated around 1835 in St. John's area. The Book I got from our Library here and it is a small town so you should be able to get it there. Title: THE SECOND SEMINOLE WAR Written by: JOHN K. MAHON I hope you find what you are looking for. I was looking for Hartley family in it but couldn't find them. Maybe you will do better. Susan Cole

I am trying to obtain information on a Dr. Henry von Balsam, a port of Jacksonville physician in 1855. Does anyone have any suggestions as to where to start? I know he became a Dentist here in St. Augustine after 1860 but can not determine where to start for the information on his occupation as a physician for the port of Jacksonville in 1855. Thank you for any assisatance in this matter Judy Rollins St. Augustine, Florida

Hi Julia - I am happy you have solved your problem. I should also have mentioned Gold's Jax history but am not sure now if he covered boarding houses. Then, too, there are some mistakes in this history. What he says about <my> Cornelius Taylor leaves something to be desired. Typical unreal family traditions. My best Ed T of PGH ---------- >From: "Tony and Julie Howell" <[email protected]> >To: [email protected] >Subject: Re: [FLDUVAL] J.C. Hernandez - 1861 >Date: Fri, Mar 16, 2001, 12:51 PM > >hi ed - thanks for your suggestion. i have, indeed, been pouring through >davis' book to see what he says about the boarding houses in that time >frame. we may, however, have found our man through another source, so i >may not have to worry with the boarding houses after all. thanks again, >and have a good day, >julie

many thanks. i'll check up on them. have a good day, julie ----- Original Message ----- From: [email protected] To: [email protected] Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2001 5:54 PM Subject: [FLDUVAL] Hernandez, A. & Frank in Jax, Fla History of Jax: 1513-1924 by Davis: Page 460 Frank and A. Hernandez is mentioned as listed men in the Light Infantry in the War between the States (1861)

hi ed - thanks for your suggestion. i have, indeed, been pouring through davis' book to see what he says about the boarding houses in that time frame. we may, however, have found our man through another source, so i may not have to worry with the boarding houses after all. thanks again, and have a good day, julie ----- Original Message ----- From: Edgar Taylor To: [email protected] Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2001 1:13 PM Subject: Re: [FLDUVAL] J.C. Hernandez - 1861 Suzanne - I would suggest you ask some kind soul in Jax to look in the city directories in the main library for your ancestors. As I recall when I last looked, individuals who were boarding were so indicated with an address. Then some of these directories give a separate list of the names and addresses of the boarding houses. Combining the two pieces of information might answer your question. Julie - I do not know if the city directories go back that far. However, have you looked in the several Jax histories, such as that of Davis? As I recall there was some discussion of the early boarding houses, some of which were on Bay Street, a likely place for sailors to board... Hope this helps. Ed T of PGH ---------- >From: "Tony and Julie Howell" <[email protected]> >To: [email protected] >Subject: Re: [FLDUVAL] J.C. Hernandez - 1861 >Date: Thu, Mar 15, 2001, 3:53 PM > >hi - sorry, i do not have a "boarding house list". i am trying to find >someone who might, so that i may locate where mr. j.c. hernandez may have boarded. > >julie > ----- Original Message ----- > From: j_rosenb > To: [email protected] > Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2001 6:31 AM > Subject: Re: [FLDUVAL] J.C. Hernandez - 1861 > > > Dear Julie, > > If your boarding house list goes forward 40-50 years, how about my > grandparents? > > They married in 1911 but prior to that they each lived in a boarding > house in Jax. > > Bertha Johanna Moran, RN > > William Ansel Elliott, rising Times Union employee. > > Thanks, > > Suzanne McCloud Rosenblum > > Tony and Julie Howell wrote: > > > > hello list - i am trying to help someone up north find information on >a J.C. Hernandez who would have lived in a boarding house (don't know which >one) in jacksonville in 1861. hernandez is described as being "a mate of a >foreign vessel". the vessel was loading rosin and turpentine here in jax >bound for england, then to the east indies to pick up freight bound for >northern u.s. ports. (the vessel was leaving jax on the afternoon of may >7, 1861.) i suppose, then (and i'm thinking aloud here) that mr. hernandez >was not a regular resident but only (infrequently) a visitor to jax on >whatever occasions his ship came into this port. > > > > does anyone know of any boarding houses that may have catered to >seamen? does anyone know of which boarding houses were in existence in jax >in 1861? i wonder if any records of patrons still exist. > > > > i sure would appreciate any help or suggestions from our list. thanks, > > julie thames howell > > jax, fla > > >

History of Jax: 1513-1924 by Davis: Page 460 Frank and A. Hernandez is mentioned as listed men in the Light Infantry in the War between the States (1861)

You're welcome Julie, Yvonne.

Suzanne - I would suggest you ask some kind soul in Jax to look in the city directories in the main library for your ancestors. As I recall when I last looked, individuals who were boarding were so indicated with an address. Then some of these directories give a separate list of the names and addresses of the boarding houses. Combining the two pieces of information might answer your question. Julie - I do not know if the city directories go back that far. However, have you looked in the several Jax histories, such as that of Davis? As I recall there was some discussion of the early boarding houses, some of which were on Bay Street, a likely place for sailors to board... Hope this helps. Ed T of PGH ---------- >From: "Tony and Julie Howell" <[email protected]> >To: [email protected] >Subject: Re: [FLDUVAL] J.C. Hernandez - 1861 >Date: Thu, Mar 15, 2001, 3:53 PM > >hi - sorry, i do not have a "boarding house list". i am trying to find >someone who might, so that i may locate where mr. j.c. hernandez may have boarded. > >julie > ----- Original Message ----- > From: j_rosenb > To: [email protected] > Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2001 6:31 AM > Subject: Re: [FLDUVAL] J.C. Hernandez - 1861 > > > Dear Julie, > > If your boarding house list goes forward 40-50 years, how about my > grandparents? > > They married in 1911 but prior to that they each lived in a boarding > house in Jax. > > Bertha Johanna Moran, RN > > William Ansel Elliott, rising Times Union employee. > > Thanks, > > Suzanne McCloud Rosenblum > > Tony and Julie Howell wrote: > > > > hello list - i am trying to help someone up north find information on >a J.C. Hernandez who would have lived in a boarding house (don't know which >one) in jacksonville in 1861. hernandez is described as being "a mate of a >foreign vessel". the vessel was loading rosin and turpentine here in jax >bound for england, then to the east indies to pick up freight bound for >northern u.s. ports. (the vessel was leaving jax on the afternoon of may >7, 1861.) i suppose, then (and i'm thinking aloud here) that mr. hernandez >was not a regular resident but only (infrequently) a visitor to jax on >whatever occasions his ship came into this port. > > > > does anyone know of any boarding houses that may have catered to >seamen? does anyone know of which boarding houses were in existence in jax >in 1861? i wonder if any records of patrons still exist. > > > > i sure would appreciate any help or suggestions from our list. thanks, > > julie thames howell > > jax, fla > > >

hi yvonne - yeah, i kinda doubt that hernandez would be on the census too. it sounds like he was "in and out" as the ships moved. but your idea of checking through the 1860 census is a good one, thanks. i appreciate your help. julie ----- Original Message ----- From: yvonne johnson To: [email protected] Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2001 1:03 PM Subject: [FLDUVAL] Re: Boarding houses If you look at the censuses page by page, you can see where people boarded and sometimes on the left side of the page it will say "Boarding House". This will be time consuming, but it is the only way that I know of as to how to find boarding houses or people boarding with others prior to when city directories were issued. If I remember correctly, Mr. Hernandez was here in 1861 and the downtown Jacksonville Library has city directories beginning with 1870. If Mr. Hernandez was here in 1861, to find a boarding house, you may want to check the 1860 census. The 1860 census is not all that big and can be checked fairly quickly. I doubt that Mr. Hernandez will be on there, but someone may want to check just to be sure.

If you look at the censuses page by page, you can see where people boarded and sometimes on the left side of the page it will say "Boarding House". This will be time consuming, but it is the only way that I know of as to how to find boarding houses or people boarding with others prior to when city directories were issued. If I remember correctly, Mr. Hernandez was here in 1861 and the downtown Jacksonville Library has city directories beginning with 1870. If Mr. Hernandez was here in 1861, to find a boarding house, you may want to check the 1860 census. The 1860 census is not all that big and can be checked fairly quickly. I doubt that Mr. Hernandez will be on there, but someone may want to check just to be sure.