Julie, Like you I do not understand how someone can destroy a cemetery and think nothing of it. I was discussing with a friend not to long back, about a historical cemetery in our home town that was going to be destroyed for a church. My friend felt that they should build a church on the site because, in her words "a church benefits everyone and dead people have no history and they don't benefit anyone." Now don't get me wrong, churches are a good thing, but for her to think that "dead people have no history and do not benefit anyone" was just too much! Some people have no intelligence! Good news the church is going to pick another site to build and keep the cemetery as it is. However I did wonder....... If it had been her ansesters in that cemetery would she have had different feelings about it being distroyed? She stated that she would not, her feelings would have been the same, but I do wonder.... Julie wrote.... I was looking up names on rootsweb's florida tombstone transcription pages today and saw the following item posted on one of the surveys: Note: According to several elderly ladies that were visiting the cemetery the day I was talking this census and paused to chat... "Prospect Church and Cemetery" was located in a south-westerly direction from Williams Cemetery. While they couldn't agree on approximately how many people were buried there, they did agree that "one day it was there and the next it wasn't with the tombstones dumped into the lake and a citrus grove being planted". there are a great many things in life that i do not understand. one of them is how this sort of thing can take place. it's not just the act of destroying a cemetery, but the mind-set of the person who sees nothing wrong in doing so. julie thames howell jax, fla

I think St. Marys Cemetery is the Catholic section of Evergreen. I'm not sure, but perhaps you could call Evergreen and ask. ----- Original Message ----- From: "jjrollin" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2001 4:51 PM Subject: [FLDUVAL] Location of St. Mary's Cemetery in Duval County > Trying to locate the above cemetery as it relates to Duval County. Any assistance is appreciated. > Thank you in advance of your help in this matter. > Judy from St. Augustine > > >

hi judy - st. mary's cemetery is within the boundaries of evergreen cemetery. if you go north on main street, when you come to evergreen cemetery (it's out past about 35th street), turn right on evergreen drive and go down the side of the cemetery to Gate 4. "St. Mary's Cemetery" is bordered by st. mark's drive, st. phillip drive, woodlawn avenue and st. ignatius drive. i will email you one of my genealogy information lists which has the telephone number of evergreen cemetery. the lady there can give you more details and information. julie thames howell jax, fla ----- Original Message ----- From: jjrollin To: [email protected] Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2001 4:51 PM Subject: [FLDUVAL] Location of St. Mary's Cemetery in Duval County Trying to locate the above cemetery as it relates to Duval County. Any assistance is appreciated. Thank you in advance of your help in this matter. Judy from St. Augustine

Trying to locate the above cemetery as it relates to Duval County. Any assistance is appreciated. Thank you in advance of your help in this matter. Judy from St. Augustine

i was looking up names on rootsweb's florida tombstone transcription pages today and saw the following item posted on one of the surveys: Note: According to several elderly ladies that were visiting the cemetery the day I was talking this census and paused to chat... "Prospect Church and Cemetery" was located in a south-westerly direction from Williams Cemetery. While they couldn't agree on approximately how many people were buried there, they did agree that "one day it was there and the next it wasn't with the tombstones dumped into the lake and a citrus grove being planted". there are a great many things in life that i do not understand. one of them is how this sort of thing can take place. it's not just the act of destroying a cemetery, but the mind-set of the person who sees nothing wrong in doing so. julie thames howell jax, fla

You are welcome.

Yvonne, Thanks for doing the phone book lookup. It is possible that this person could be related, but the chances are probably slim that it is a close relation/descendant. Finafrock is another variation of the spelling of Finefrock. However, I doubt that they would have changed the spelling during the 1900's. The surname spelling seemed to be constant within this family group going back into the early 1800's. I'll make note of this person's phone listing for future use. Thanks, Dave >From: [email protected] (yvonne johnson) >Reply-To: [email protected] >To: [email protected] >Subject: Re: [FLDUVAL] FINEFROCK Surname >Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2001 16:19:10 -0400 (EDT) > > >We have in our current phone book a J. Finafrock listed. Do you think >he may be one of your Finefrock's? > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com

We have in our current phone book a J. Finafrock listed. Do you think he may be one of your Finefrock's?

Hi Listers, I am new to the list. I am looking for anyone out there that may have a connection to the Finefrock surname. Specifically, I am looking for information on E.E. Finefrock (1863-1943) and his wife Altha Wise Finefrock (1871-????). They had two sons, Ira and Carlton. They were originally from Clarion Pennsylvania. I have found evidence that they moved to Jacksonville in the early 1900's. Ira served in WWI and listed his residence as Jacksonville at that time. I haven't checked census or other records yet. I was hoping to find someone on the list that is a descendant of this family or a lead to help me. Thanks, Dave _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com

will the person whose email address is "qmikell...." contact me privately again about the buford grove cemetery transcription. i tried to send it to you but apparently got the wrong email address. thanks, julie

i have tried twice to send the transcript of the buford grove baptist church cemetery through both the duval list and the flnecemetery list, but they have not come through. so...i guess the only way to approach this situation is to offer to lookup surnames for anyone who wants to check and see if they have a relative buried at that cemetery; or i will be happy to email you a copy of the transcript to your private email address. julie thames howell jax, fla

good morning lists - i've been taking advantage of some "slow time" on the various email lists and have been working on my cemetery notebook. i've now got information on about 96 cemeteries/burial sites in duval county. my process has been to take the list of cemeteries from lucy edwards book "grave markers of duval county" (that ed taylor posted for us some time back) and various lists from dianne's messages, and from the u.s. geological survey, comparing all of the names and compiling cohesive information as to their locations, duplicate names, etc. i have a question for y'all and i'd really like to hear your opinions on these two points: 1. we have one cemetery called the Brunson Family Cemetery. (its on the tax rolls as "Marietta Cemeteries"). this cemetery is located at the corner of Maple Street and Greenland Avenue (off of w. beaver st just past i-295.) McCargo street is the next street west of the cemetery. one of the lists of cemetery names that i have has a Greenland cemetery. no further information is given about it except the name. my question: what are your opinions as to whether the Brunson Family Cemetery could be the "Greenland" cemetery mentioned on one of the name lists that i have? 2. Fulton Cemetery is on several of the name lists. there was a note that it may be located across from 13241 ft. caroline road. i have contacted the (very nice) owner of the property across from 13241 and they have no knowledge of there being any signs of a cemetery on their property. i also have copies of plats and tax roll information on a cemetery located between Woodsong Loop Road and Beacon Drive. the location of this, as yet un-named, cemetery is about 1 block from Fulton Road. Fulton road runs off of ft. caroline road toward the river, where the settlement of Fulton was once located. my question: what are your opinions about the possibility of the cemetery located on Woodsong Loop Road actually being the Fulton Cemetery mentioned on some of the cemetery name-lists? i will be happy to provide copies of the paperwork/plats/maps, should you need them, to anyone who is interested in offering their opinions on these points. please let me know what y'all think. julie thames howell jax, fla

again, my apology for taking so long with these. this is a compilation of only the Hartley, Ortagus and Hagens that are buried in this cemetery. it is quite large and has many more burials there. i am also trying to get a transcript of this cemetery from their cemetery association. this is also a "cut and paste" format. ST. JOSEPH'S CEMETERY - The cemetery is just west of the intersection of Loretto Road and Old St. Augustine Road. This is a compilation of the Hartley - Ortagus - Hagen names only. HARTLEY Agnes Hernandez, wife of Melton HARTLEY, Born April 20, 1863, Died March 18, 1880 Marcella Capo HARTLEY, 1889 - 1936 HARTLEY, Frederick, Born 1861, Died 1922, Age 61 HARTLEY, Mary Lane Louisa, Born 1867, Died 1920, Age 53 Agnes Jane, Wife of Jacob HARTLEY, Born Feb. 1, 1865, Died Oct. 11, 1913 Harry Samuel HARTLEY, Son of William A. & Catherine J. HARTLEY, Born Oct. 9, 1891, Died July 9, 1905 Catherine Jane HARTLEY, Jan. 14, 1850, Sept. 19, 1929 William Alexander HARTLEY, Born Jan. 20, 1851, Died Jan. 18, 1919, Aged 67 years, 11 mos & 28 days Mother, Rosa Ellen HARTLEY, Jan. 6, 1878, Feb. 2, 1919 Father, Edward U. HARTLEY, June 18, 1876, Oct. 18, 1930 Guy P. HARTLEY, Feb. 17, 1902, Aug. 16, 1931 Wife, Dorothy HARTLEY NELSON, Oct. 2, 1914 - April 10, 1977 Our Mother, Tallulah Ponce HARTLEY, March 20, 1898, Jan. 28, 1970 Solen C. HARTLEY, Apr. 1, 1895, June 12, 1927 Charles S. HARTLEY, 1918 - 1979 Gabriel HARTLEY, CoA 10 Fla Inf C.S.A. HARTLEY (double headstone), Nathaniel, June 19, 1866, Dec. 21. 1922 Philomena, Jan. 14, 1874, July 20, 1969 Francis W. HARTLEY, Jan. 19, 1939, Nov. 23, 1979 Roger N. HARTLEY, April 1905, March 1961 Lula L. HARTLEY, Aug. 1909, May 1955 Louis Napoleon HARTLEY, S1 (?), US Navy, World War II, Jan 20, 1926, Jan 3, 1982 HARTLEY (double headstone) Earleen Dalton, Nov. 7, 1929, June 16, 1999 Louis N. "Boe", Jan. 20, 1926, Jan. 3, 1982 St. Joseph's Cemetery - Hartley/Ortagus/Hagen Page 2 Geneva E. HARTLEY, Feb. 18, 1887, Feb. 6, 1954 David Anderson HARTLEY, June 2, 1963, Dec. 2, 1963 HARTLEY (double headstone) Elmer A., Jan. 24, 1920, Apr. 17, 1989 Theresa M., Dec. 13, 1922, July 3, 1990 E. A. HARTLEY, PFC, US Marine Corps, World War II, Jan. 24, 1920, Apr. 17, 1989 Estelle HARTLEY MANN, 1914 - 1977 Walter J. HARTLEY, Sr., Tec4, US Army, World War II, Nov. 24, 1922, Jul. 16, 1987 HARTLEY (double headstone) Walter Joseph, Nov. 24, 1922, July 16, 1987 Helon Corrine, Feb. 18, 1927 - Rachel Ann HARTLEY, June 21, 1988 James Samuel HARTLEY, April 9, 1955, July 14, 1991 HARTLEY (double headstone) Helen Carolyn, April 8, 1901, June 14, 1993 Ernest R., SFC, US Army, World War I, Sep. 24, 1894, May 29, 1979 Ernest R. HARTLEY, Jr., Florida, SH3, US Navy, Aug. 24, 1931, April 13, 1958 HARTLEY (double headstone) Emma L., 1863 - 1933 Bartola N., 1852 - 1930 Edith & Clifford, Infant Twins of Bartola & Emma HARTLEY Lucille HARTLEY CATHRALL, Aug. 28, 1897, July 9, 1957 Infant Son of Ralph & Amy HARTLEY Ralph R. HARTLEY, PVT US Army, World War I, Jul 18, 1893, Dec 18, 1948 Amy D. HARTLEY, Devoted Wife, Beloved Mother, Jan. 12, 1895, July 23, 1935 Manular HARTLEY, Wife of John F. HARTLEY, Born June 8, 1847, Died Nov. 2, 1930 Gertrude Elizabeth HARTLEY, Aged 54 Years, Sept. 12, 1933 (Note: this would put her birthdate at 1879) Willard F. HARTLEY, Jan. 10, 1884, Mar. 16, 1943 Eugene M. HARTLEY, New Jersey, PVT US Army, World War 1, July 10, 1893, July 6, 1968 HARTLEY (double headstone), Frances Evelyn, 1901 - 1951 Arthur Julian, 1883 - 1941 St. Joseph's Cemetery - Hartley/Ortagus/Hagen Page 3 Raymond (middle initial could be an O, a C, or a G) HARTLEY, Born 1895, Died 1940, Age 45 HARTLEY (double headstone), Elmer F., Dec. 17, 1884, July 31, 1939 Nene E., Apr. 5, 1895, Nov. 26, 1968 Arthur H. HARTLEY, 1884 - 1946 Leroy F. HARTLEY, June 18, 1912, Jan. 7, 1970 Ellis C. HARTLEY, Sr., October 29, 1888, March 4, 1960 Gertie L. Hartley, January 31, 1895, March 28, 1979 Henrietta A. HARTLEY, March 1, 1882, May 9, 1964 Coleman M. HARTLEY, 1880 - 1957 HARTLEY (double headstone), Eleanor M., Dec. 18, 1906, May 25, 1985 Clifford J., Feb. 12, 1900, Sept. 13, 1993 Uriah F. HARTLEY, 1877 - 1941 Nellie HARTLEY, Born 1881, Died 1965 Levy HARTLEY, Born 1885, Died June 4, 1911 Daniel HARTLEY, Born 1856, Died Nov. 6, 1906 Leo HARTLEY, Born 1883, Died April 29, 1896 William F. HARTLEY, Born Apr. 17, 1816, Died Aug. 5, 1883 William Hartley, Acosta's Co, 11 Fla Inf, C.S.A. Beatrice G. HARTLEY, Wife of Edward F. CORNELY, Born April 12, 1892, Died Jan. 11, 1941 Lillian Williams HARTLEY, Mar. 9, 1883, Dec. 24, 1951 Melton A. HARTLEY, 1856 - 1925 Camilla M. HARTLEY, 1868 - 1905 Rosina Agnes, Wife of H. W. HARLTEY, Aug. 4, 1889, Apr. 1, 1914 Florence Ada, Daughter of E. P. & C. A. HARTLEY, Born Apr. 27, 1878, Died May 3, 1901 Charlott Barbara M. HARTLEY, Wife of E.P. HARTLEY, Born Nov. 1, 1856, Died May 26, 1921 St. Joseph's Cemetery - Hartley/Ortagus/Hagen Page 4 Manuel P. HARTLEY, Sept. 9, 1856, Jan. 3, 1923 Ellen A. HARTLEY, Wife of M. H. HARTLEY, Born Jan. 31, 1834 (?), Died Mar. 2, 1884 ORTAGUS Ignatius ORTAGUS, Died Oct. 22, 1908, Aged 82 years Maryan ORTAGUS, Died Oct. 25, 1910, Aged 82 years Elizabeth ORTAGUS, 1848 - 1926 John ORTAGUS, Jan. 10, 1922, Sept. 3, 1903 Herman ORTAGUS, Apr. 7, 1888, Dec. 6. 1921 Herman ORTAGUS, Jr., 1916 - 1918 (couldn't make out first name) ORTAGUS, (birthdate difficult to read, could be 1910) - 1932 A. ORTAGUS, (possibly) 1850 - 188_?_ (dates very difficult to make out) Onie Mae ORTAGUS, May 6, 1923, July 24, 2000 ORTAGUS (double headstone), Henry A., Feb. 11, 1924 - Theresa A., Feb. 7, 1931 - James Ernest ORTAGUS, Jan. 15, 1915, March 29, 1993 Hattie B. ORTAGUS, April 6, 1891, Feb. 29, 1968 John Ernest ORTAGUS, June 24, 1881, June 17, 1942 Ann Elizabeth ORTAGUS, May 20, 1920, July 23, 1932 Eliza ORTAGUS, 1861 - 1927 William ORTAGUS, 1857 - 1941 HAGEN James Layton HAGEN, April 3, 1904, May 13, 1954 Laura A. HAGEN, Dec. 13, 1884, April 4, 1971 James D. HAGEN, Born July 16, 1876, Died April 7, 1923 2/15/01

please accept my sincere apology for having taken sooo long to get this to the list. since rootsweb doesn't take attachments, i am including this (partial) cemetery survey via "cut and paste". the surnames are given in the subject line. this is only a partial transcription of the mandarin cemetery on mandarin road in jacksonville. i am trying to get a transcription of the entire cemetery. MANDARIN CEMETERY - On Mandarin Road, just south of the intersection of Loretto Road. This is a compilation of the Hartley/Hartly - Hagin - Keen - Lamb and Geohagan names only in this cemetery. HARTLEY Doris J. HARTLEY, 1917 - 1978 Harold H. HARTLEY, July 15, 1944, Nov. 15, 1944 Jacob HARTLEY, Dec. 23, 1871, Sept. 12, 1933 HARTLEY (double headstone), Harvey H., April 2, 1908, March 19, 1985 (at the foot of Harvey's grave is a military marker: Harvey H. HARTLEY, US ARMY WORLD WAR II, Apr 2, 1908, Mar 19, 1985) Mildred G. July 30, 1918, Aug. 2, 1971 Jackson W. HARTLEY, 1884 - 1974 HARTLEY (double headstone), Father, Michael Nathaniel, Dec. 18, 1863, Aug. 16, 1927 Mother, Theresa M. Hartley Morgan, May 20, 1886, July 26, 1951 John A. HARTLEY, June 8, 1859, July 16, 1933 Adaline HARTLEY, Sept. 24, 1874, Mar. 21, 1949 Armond Clifford HARTLEY, Nov. 21, 1907, Nov. 19, 1971 Addie E. HARTLEY, Nov. 28, 1896, June 16, 1912 HARTLEY (double headstone), Father, Ralph C., Nov. 15, 1899, Jan. 4, 1958 Mother, Hattie D., Oct. 24, 1908, Apr. 30, 1996 (double headstone), Daughter, Elfriede HARTLEY, Sept. 13, 1939 - Mother, Franziska Kaess, Jan. 11, 1920 - HARTLY Isabel HARTLY SANDS, Jan. 24, 1914 - Sept. 1, 1979 HARTLY (double headstone), Father, Harold O., May 4, 1890, Oct. 7, 1928 Mother, Georgia H., April 12, 1892, April 24, 1964 HAGIN Joseph H. HAGIN, May 10, 1886, Sept. 1940 Isabel HAGIN, June 10, 1854, Oct. 24, 1929 Thomas J. HAGIN, Sr., Nov. 3, 1846, Sept. 21, 1924 Walter J. HAGIN, Feb. 26, 1880, Aug. 18, 1923 KEEN KEEN (double headstone), Verna B. Clifton, March 2, 1918 - Mar. 9, 1989 Danelyl (Matthew), April 14, 1913 - LAMB Leila E. LAMB, 1875 - 1956 GEOHAGAN William T. GEOHAGAN, 1911 - 2000 Beulah Mae Geohagan, 1912 - 1996 1/2001

i don't know what i've done with my book that has email addresses in it, so i'm posting this to the lists. i've run across a few of the above surnames in the past couple of days on these websites: ftp://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/fl/duval/military/1917stra.text ftp://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/fl/duval/military/1917nibl.txt ftp://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/fl/duval/cemetery/newberlin.txt http://www.interment.net/data/us/fl/duval/phillips/craigswamp.htm these are for cemeteries, so anyone whose interested might want to check out these urls. certainly more folks are buried in them than the specific surnames in my subject line. julie thames howell jax, fla

i would like to offer a couple of very good web sites for your exploration, if you haven't already discovered them. many of the names that i've seen duval and flnecem listers researching are among the various pages of these sites: http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgenweb/fl/toc/duval.htm and http://www.rootsweb.com/~cemetery/florida/florida.htm julie thames howell jax, fla

hi yvonne - have you called the landon school library? the school libraries used to keep copies of each annual. maybe you could get copies from them, if they have one. julie ----- Original Message ----- From: yvonne johnson To: [email protected] Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2001 7:45 AM Subject: Re: [FLDUVAL] Vital Records I still need to borrow someone's 1957 Landon High School yearbook. I need to make copies of all the student's pictures, this means Sophmores, Juniors, and Seniors. If I can't borrow someone's yearbook, then would someone be willing to make the copies for me? I would be glad to pay for the copies. Thanks.

I still need to borrow someone's 1957 Landon High School yearbook. I need to make copies of all the student's pictures, this means Sophmores, Juniors, and Seniors. If I can't borrow someone's yearbook, then would someone be willing to make the copies for me? I would be glad to pay for the copies. Thanks.

Do you live in Duval County? I would suggest looking in the indexes to the newspapers first for the obituary. If you don't live here you could probably get someone to do a lookup for you. I go to the library some if you want me to look it up for you let me know. Michelle ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, May 28, 2001 7:59 PM Subject: [FLDUVAL] Vital Records > Hello Members, Please, I need your assistance. > > Question # 1. > Is the FL Office of Vital Statistics > in Duval County? > > Question # 2. > Death Records costs $5.00 plus $2.00 per > year for a "Search". Since I have 15 years > that need to be searched. Does anyone > know a more economical way? Or the > insiders 'tricks of the trade'? > > (Researching: George T. ARNOLD > born: Sept. 22, 1904 in Covington, KY > died: between 1960-1975 in Florida > Son of George ARNOLD and Ella HIGGINS) > > Smiles and Thanks, > Deborah > > >

Saw your name REDDEN. Are you from the Tennessee Reddens? Thanks, Ann