good morning al - i'm not 100% sure, so hopefully someone else on the list will correct me if i'm wrong, but i think phoenix park was a neighborhood of jax that was south of evergreen cemetery, east of main street, and north of 8th street (bounded on the east by the river.) i am going to send you a copy, by private email since rootsweb does not allow attachment, of a genealogy information helplist that i've compiled; it has the telephone number for the jacksonville public library's genealogy section (along with a lot of other information that is useful for folks researching in the n.e. florida area.) if you found your grandfather in the 1908 city directory, it's possible there was also a listing for the union mutual aid association. if there is no listing, one of the people in the genealogy section may be able to help you find the answer. julie thames howell jax, fla ----- Original Message ----- From: [email protected] To: [email protected] Sent: Monday, June 18, 2001 12:13 AM Subject: [FLDUVAL] RE: Union Mutual Aid Assoc. Hi, While in Jax last week I researched my grandfather in the 1908 city directory and I found that he was a superintendent for the Union Mutual Aid Association. The directory also stated that he lived in Phoenix Park. Can anyone on the list tell me where I might find info on the Union Mutual Aid Association and Phoenix Park? Thanks in advance for your help. Al

Hi, While in Jax last week I researched my grandfather in the 1908 city directory and I found that he was a superintendent for the Union Mutual Aid Association. The directory also stated that he lived in Phoenix Park. Can anyone on the list tell me where I might find info on the Union Mutual Aid Association and Phoenix Park? Thanks in advance for your help. Al

Hi there list readers! I am looking for a cemetery in Bayard, or Jacksonville, Duval, Florida. I would like to know if there is anyone out there that can help locate a gravesite in Bayard for E. J. Batts or Elmore Jackson Batts. He died in 1933 was born in 1870. i would appreciate any help someone could give. Thanks in advance, Debbie

The following message came through the Camden County list. Thought it might be of interest to others. Harriett Referring URL: http://www.news4jax.com/jax/news/stories/news-81948120010613-200649.html Two headstones have been found in a parking lot at the University of St. Augustine (Florida). The authorities do not know where they came from. One headstone is marked Jerry Johnson. He was 26 years old and died in 1975. The other headstone belongs to a 3-year-old girl named Jane, last initial C. She died in 1918. If you are on any Florida lists please feel free to forward this note to those lists. I have checked my own Camden/Charlton County (Georgia) cemetery records but have not found a match. While they probably came from Florida there is really no way to be sure. If you know anything about these headstones, please contact the St. Augustine police department so that they can return these headstones. The news article did not state which police department is handling the case. Here are addresses for the two I could find at Switchboard.com: St Augustine Police Dept 151 King St St Augustine, FL 32084-4325 Phone: (904)825-1070 St Augustine Beach Police Dept 2300 A1a S St Augustine, FL 32080-2920 Phone: (904)471-3600 Take care, Tara Fields The Crypt - Free Genealogy and History Web Site on Camden and Charlton Counties, Georgia http://www.camdencounty.org ==== CAMDEN Mailing List ====

I am not sure who was looking for the Mayport Lighthouse keepers - but You can find a list of the keeper at: http://www.minorcanfamily.com/ on the left side look for and click on Research Sites then under Florida State click on Florida Lighthouses then look for St. Johns River Lighthouse ( that would be Mayport ) the author includes a list of Keepers Good Luck Ernest [email protected] Edgar Taylor wrote: > Hi Judy- We may have corresponded before. > > If the other sources Julie mentions can not help, I believe there is a small > manuscript giving the lighthouse keepers as far back as the mid to late > 1800s in the Florida Room in the main library in Jacksonville. If you do not > find this, I will try to find my copy. I believe this was compiled from > government records.by the > late Dyle Johnson of Mayport maybe 20 or 30 years ago, then the unofficial > Mayport historian. > > Also, you might check the Beaches Historical Society, whose library archives > are in Jacksonville Beach. I am sure they would have a copy. A group of > residents of Mayport are forming - or planning to form - their own <museum> > as an added attraction for the tourist trade, but it may be too early for > them to have a copy. > > You also should be aware that the late Helen Cooper Floyd, a native of > Mayport, wrote three fine > books about the people of Mayport. You would probably find the names you > seek there. I have these books. There is also a short history by the late Ed > Smith of Neptune Beach, called <<Them Good Old Days in Mayport and the > Beaches>>, but I do not see he included anything specifically about the > lighthouses. I also have this. > > I consider myself an <unofficial> historian of the early Mayport area, as > the > land, in my family, was first a 1790s Spanish land grant to my ancestor > Andrew Dewees. My great great grandfather, Cornelius Taylor, acquired most > of the grant by his marriages to two of Andrew's descendants. I have > traced most of the Dewees family, some of whom - the Floyds of Mayport - > descend from > Andrew Dewees' daughter, Elizabeth, and her husband, the Minorcan, Josef > Joaneda y Florit, as do I. > > Other families began to come there from St. Augustine after the War between > the States, and this is when the little village started to grow. I have a > little on these other families before 1900. > > Ed T of PGH > > PS After Tuesday of next week I will be away for a week or so, and will > therefore be <unsubscribing> from the FLDUVAL list. Write me directly at my > email address <<[email protected]>> after 27 June if you wish > ---------- > >From: "Tony and Julie Howell" <[email protected]> > >To: [email protected] > >Subject: Re: [FLDUVAL] Mayport Area > >Date: Thu, Jun 14, 2001, 12:25 PM > > > > >hi judy - mayport was, then as now, a fishing village. if it had a > >separate directory the jacksonville public library would probably have one. > > > >some excellent sites (i did a search through google for "Mayport > >lighthouse") turned up for the mayport lighthouse. they are: > >http://www.cr.nps.gov/maritime/light/st.john.htm > >http://www.bansemer.com/fl-lighthouses/mayport_lighthouse.htm > >http://www.bansemer.com/fl-lighthouses/st_johns_lighthouse.htm > >http://www.us-lighthouses.org/stjohn.htm > >http://www.jacksonville.com/tu-online/stories/070597/b1Lighth.html > >http://www.dca.state.fl.us/ffcm/FCMP/waterfronts/community/mayport.htm > >www.floridalighthouses.org - there is also an email address for this group > >as well as a mailing address with the name of their contact: > > Andy Liliskis, President > > Mayport Lighthouse Assn, inc. > > P.O. Box 35 > > Mayport, Fl. 32267-0035 > > (904)251-2410 > > > >www.dangly.com has some information on minorcans. > > > >hope this helps some, > >julie thames howell > >jax, fla > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: jjrollin > > To: [email protected] > > Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2001 11:23 AM > > Subject: [FLDUVAL] Mayport Area > > > > > > Trying to locate where information about Mayport area and Lighthouse > >would be located? Was Mayport a separate entity to warrent a city directory > >of its own in the late 1920's > > and early 1930's? If so where would this directory be located? > > In regards to the Mayport Lighthouse, where would records be housed that > >show who may have been a Lighthouse keeper? My mother-in-law was part > >Minorcan, from the Segui family and we note some Lighthouse keepers here in > >St. Augustine but am researching other areas. > > Thank you in advance for any assistance. > > Judy from St. Augustine > > > > > >

Dear FLDUVAL Listers: I have received some thirty e-mails regarding information on the Plummers and Hartleys of the ole' "Mandarin" area. - Some have asked for such detailed information as to the actual cabinet, bin number, book number, page number and so on. - It would be impossible for me to consolidate that amount of information into a single e-mail. - I am in the midst of three separate book projects, on my Family History/Genealogy, and just can not answer all of the questions that have been referred to me. - I will answer a few General questions that MAY shed some light on a few of them for the list. 1) In reference to the Lawrence Plummer Farm. - Lawrence did receive the farm from his father, Edward D. Plummer, after his death. - It was located on Haley Road. - Edward was buried on that land in an ole' "Plummer" Family Plot [a piece of land dedicated to family burials]. - Lawrence was also buried in the same plot upon his death - Family interviews [with then living Great Aunts and Uncles confirmed this in the late 1960's]. - These interviews also provided information that there should be "about" 10 or 12 graves within that plot. - Several cousins of mine attended the funeral and burial of Lawrence on that property [I was away in the Military at that time] - Lawrence and his sister Anna Ruby Plummer [neither ever married] lived in the ole' house on the farm until they became frail and in need of nursing care [some time in the mid to late 1950's]. - Anna Ruby Plummer was NOT buried on the ole' home place. - The property was eventually sold and the great "Plummer" burial place mystery began. - Why? - First, as we NOW know, there IS more than ONE "Plummer" Burial place; Second, With every NEW discovery we learn where they [them thar' Plummers] may be located. - From the information that can be gathered from available records, interviews and family lore it would seen that someone appears to have removed those headstones and buried them so as to prepare the land for development. - Who is, or may be, responsible for this action is unknown. - IF this story is "true", then the sudden appearance of Edward D. Plummer's headstone/plaque may be a big clue to making that ole' story more believable. - [I am most anxious to see the photographs that were taken and to hopefully someday know the facts]. 2) In reference to maps: - Yes, there are many maps available for the public to examine and have copies made. - I do not know of any of these, that I have examined in the past, being "online". - That would be a great project for one of the Two Genealogical Societies in Jacksonville. - There are a few available through the real property recording section of the Duval County Court House [you must known how to find the Township and Range number so as to locate a map large enough to show a decent area of home/farm clusters]. - The best maps are located at the Florida State Archives, in Tallahassee. - These maps are the original "hand drawn - hand colored" maps prepared by the original surveys [with hand written margin notes]. - These maps date anywhere from 1833 through 1900 and are excellent maps to show neighboring farms, property, and help to show HOW families could have been formed [Boy meets Girl etc.]. - Ask for the Historical Map Collection and be prepared to provide the Township and Range numbers. - I have made some twenty different trips to Tallahassee over the past ten years just to get copies of these beautiful maps. 3) In reference to Towns, villages, communities etc: Remember! "Dear Genealogist's and Family Historians", we must "Put" ourselves in the time and period of the person asking, telling and /or recording the information that we are NOW researching. - Six or more farms side-by-side could or did make a community THEN. - A few more communities and/or farms added could suddenly become a Town or Village, and the name of the oldest or "First" to settle could or more often DID name the NEW Village. - Prior to the Civil War [Uh! War Between the States] the area that all of the people of Jacksonville call "Mandarin" was really many small communities and/or clusters of farms with separate names and identities. - Today there are many ole' timers who will get very angry if you call their community "Mandarin". - History has a way of fading with each NEW generation. - Some, but not all of the ole' maps will sometimes show the location of these older communities. As I can find the time I will try to prepare a list of items of this nature and post it to the FLDUVAL list. - Do not look for it in the very near future. - I will eventually get to the task. Thank you, and I hope this will answer a few of the more general questions that have been put to me. Cordially, RCS

good morning everyone - while playing around on the internet i found a wonderful web site for The Florida Heritage Collection. they describe their site as follows: "The Florida Heritage Collection is an ongoing cooperative project of the State University System (SUS) of Florida to digitize and provide online access to materials broadly representing Florida's history, culture, arts, literature, sciences and social sciences. Thematic areas in this growing collection include Native American and minority populations, exploration and development, tourism, the natural environment, and regional interests." the url is: http://susdl.fcla.edu/fh/ some of the collection is not on line and some is. among those books that i played around in this morning are: "The Book of Jacksonville, A History" by S. Paul Brown, 1895 "History of Jacksonville, Florida" by T. Frederick Davis "Palmetto Leaves" by Harriett Beecher Stowe the site gives directions as to how to bring up the books that are on line. enjoy. julie

My ancestors were keepers of the Mayport Lighthouse. John Vincent Daniels (1822-1879) and his wife, Josephine Garcia (1840-1897) were my gggrandparents and were listed as keepers of the Mayport Lighthouse (see http://users.erols.com/lthouse/sjlt.htm). John Daniels is reported to have put out the light at the request of the CSA in attempt to thwart the Federal Navy's entrance into the St. John's River during the Civil War. Josephine was of Minorcan ancestory and was born in St. Augustine. Her father, Jose Garcia, was killed by Indians while carrying the mail. Her mother was Panchita (Frances) Pons, who later married Estaban Arnau. They are buried in the old Mayport Cemetery. Herschel Conner 655 DeSoto Drive Tierra Verde, Florida 33715 [email protected] ----- Original Message ----- From: "jjrollin" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2001 11:23 AM Subject: [FLDUVAL] Mayport Area > Trying to locate where information about Mayport area and Lighthouse would be located? Was Mayport a separate entity to warrent a city directory of its own in the late 1920's > and early 1930's? If so where would this directory be located? > In regards to the Mayport Lighthouse, where would records be housed that show who may have been a Lighthouse keeper? My mother-in-law was part Minorcan, from the Segui family and we note some Lighthouse keepers here in St. Augustine but am researching other areas. > Thank you in advance for any assistance. > Judy from St. Augustine >

Hi Judy- We may have corresponded before. If the other sources Julie mentions can not help, I believe there is a small manuscript giving the lighthouse keepers as far back as the mid to late 1800s in the Florida Room in the main library in Jacksonville. If you do not find this, I will try to find my copy. I believe this was compiled from government records.by the late Dyle Johnson of Mayport maybe 20 or 30 years ago, then the unofficial Mayport historian. Also, you might check the Beaches Historical Society, whose library archives are in Jacksonville Beach. I am sure they would have a copy. A group of residents of Mayport are forming - or planning to form - their own <museum> as an added attraction for the tourist trade, but it may be too early for them to have a copy. You also should be aware that the late Helen Cooper Floyd, a native of Mayport, wrote three fine books about the people of Mayport. You would probably find the names you seek there. I have these books. There is also a short history by the late Ed Smith of Neptune Beach, called <<Them Good Old Days in Mayport and the Beaches>>, but I do not see he included anything specifically about the lighthouses. I also have this. I consider myself an <unofficial> historian of the early Mayport area, as the land, in my family, was first a 1790s Spanish land grant to my ancestor Andrew Dewees. My great great grandfather, Cornelius Taylor, acquired most of the grant by his marriages to two of Andrew's descendants. I have traced most of the Dewees family, some of whom - the Floyds of Mayport - descend from Andrew Dewees' daughter, Elizabeth, and her husband, the Minorcan, Josef Joaneda y Florit, as do I. Other families began to come there from St. Augustine after the War between the States, and this is when the little village started to grow. I have a little on these other families before 1900. Ed T of PGH PS After Tuesday of next week I will be away for a week or so, and will therefore be <unsubscribing> from the FLDUVAL list. Write me directly at my email address <<[email protected]>> after 27 June if you wish ---------- >From: "Tony and Julie Howell" <[email protected]> >To: [email protected] >Subject: Re: [FLDUVAL] Mayport Area >Date: Thu, Jun 14, 2001, 12:25 PM > >hi judy - mayport was, then as now, a fishing village. if it had a >separate directory the jacksonville public library would probably have one. > >some excellent sites (i did a search through google for "Mayport >lighthouse") turned up for the mayport lighthouse. they are: >http://www.cr.nps.gov/maritime/light/st.john.htm >http://www.bansemer.com/fl-lighthouses/mayport_lighthouse.htm >http://www.bansemer.com/fl-lighthouses/st_johns_lighthouse.htm >http://www.us-lighthouses.org/stjohn.htm >http://www.jacksonville.com/tu-online/stories/070597/b1Lighth.html >http://www.dca.state.fl.us/ffcm/FCMP/waterfronts/community/mayport.htm >www.floridalighthouses.org - there is also an email address for this group >as well as a mailing address with the name of their contact: > Andy Liliskis, President > Mayport Lighthouse Assn, inc. > P.O. Box 35 > Mayport, Fl. 32267-0035 > (904)251-2410 > >www.dangly.com has some information on minorcans. > >hope this helps some, >julie thames howell >jax, fla > ----- Original Message ----- > From: jjrollin > To: [email protected] > Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2001 11:23 AM > Subject: [FLDUVAL] Mayport Area > > > Trying to locate where information about Mayport area and Lighthouse >would be located? Was Mayport a separate entity to warrent a city directory >of its own in the late 1920's > and early 1930's? If so where would this directory be located? > In regards to the Mayport Lighthouse, where would records be housed that >show who may have been a Lighthouse keeper? My mother-in-law was part >Minorcan, from the Segui family and we note some Lighthouse keepers here in >St. Augustine but am researching other areas. > Thank you in advance for any assistance. > Judy from St. Augustine > > >

Greetings, Listers. Many thanks to all those who assisted me in obtaining copies of obits for my great-uncle Carl Overton, who passed away in Jacksonville in 1933. Curious thing, one of these obits and his Death Certificate (obtained due to additional gracious assistance from someone on this list) reveal that he was buried in CHICAGO. Of course, it doesn't indicate which cemetery. They DO mention that the undertaker was the Seashole Funeral Parlor of Jacksonville, and that they handled the "local arrangements." Does anyone know anything about this particular funeral parlor, and who might have their records now? Many thanks for any assistance, it is much appreciated. Beth [email protected]

Thankls for the correction Rbert. I was just ready to write Charlotte, Fredrick's daughter, married James Plummer. Thank you for seting this straight. tgetha

hi - in the first url i inadvertently added a period that should not be there. the correct url is: http://www.cr.nps.gov/maritime/light/stjohn.htm julie

Dear Duval Listers: Oooops! - In my haste to answer questions from four different FLDUVAL listers I made a small mistake in identifying Mahala's Dad. - His name was "Roderick (sp?)", not "Frederick". - Sorry about that Hartley descendants. - I try hard, but sometimes this ole' Floridian will make a mistake. Cordially, RCS

hi judy - mayport was, then as now, a fishing village. if it had a separate directory the jacksonville public library would probably have one. some excellent sites (i did a search through google for "Mayport lighthouse") turned up for the mayport lighthouse. they are: http://www.cr.nps.gov/maritime/light/st.john.htm http://www.bansemer.com/fl-lighthouses/mayport_lighthouse.htm http://www.bansemer.com/fl-lighthouses/st_johns_lighthouse.htm http://www.us-lighthouses.org/stjohn.htm http://www.jacksonville.com/tu-online/stories/070597/b1Lighth.html http://www.dca.state.fl.us/ffcm/FCMP/waterfronts/community/mayport.htm www.floridalighthouses.org - there is also an email address for this group as well as a mailing address with the name of their contact: Andy Liliskis, President Mayport Lighthouse Assn, inc. P.O. Box 35 Mayport, Fl. 32267-0035 (904)251-2410 www.dangly.com has some information on minorcans. hope this helps some, julie thames howell jax, fla ----- Original Message ----- From: jjrollin To: [email protected] Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2001 11:23 AM Subject: [FLDUVAL] Mayport Area Trying to locate where information about Mayport area and Lighthouse would be located? Was Mayport a separate entity to warrent a city directory of its own in the late 1920's and early 1930's? If so where would this directory be located? In regards to the Mayport Lighthouse, where would records be housed that show who may have been a Lighthouse keeper? My mother-in-law was part Minorcan, from the Segui family and we note some Lighthouse keepers here in St. Augustine but am researching other areas. Thank you in advance for any assistance. Judy from St. Augustine

Trying to locate where information about Mayport area and Lighthouse would be located? Was Mayport a separate entity to warrent a city directory of its own in the late 1920's and early 1930's? If so where would this directory be located? In regards to the Mayport Lighthouse, where would records be housed that show who may have been a Lighthouse keeper? My mother-in-law was part Minorcan, from the Segui family and we note some Lighthouse keepers here in St. Augustine but am researching other areas. Thank you in advance for any assistance. Judy from St. Augustine

hi list - i don't know how my computer (or the internet) rearranged the message that i sent to RC. it took the end and put it somewhere in the middle of the message. sorry it's so hard to read. julie

good morning RC - what a wonderful history lesson for us, even if you did not intend it to be so. i hope that you will allow us to "pick your brain" from time to time for more information. i had referred to san jose blvd in an earlier message as thinking it to be what lucy ames edwards had referred to as "the mandarin road." the reason i thought that was because people would refer to a road leading to a town, etc. as "the road to mandarin", or "the middleburg road" (or whatever town they were talking about). i know that a lot of folks in the old mandarin area have worked very hard to preserve and hold onto the old post office/grocery. and the way that mandarin folks preserved the beautiful old oak trees was nothing short of ingenious (having them placed on the national historic register so they could not be destroyed.) i know one lady who used to become quite incensed when people referred to the areas around beauclerc and losco road as "mandarin." she would huff and get quite upset at them. do you know of any maps (that can be accessed by the public) that show the actual (old) communities that you speak of? i've heard of most of the ones that you mentioned, but not summer's. i know we'd all love to hear as much history as you'd like to share with us. thank you for your contribution to our list. julie thames howell jax, fla (a "newcomer" to the area; my family has only been here since 1887) do drawings or surveys still exist showing the location and possible "boundaries" of lawrence plummer's farm? are there any maps available to the general public that show it's location? are any of the documents at the florida archives in tallahassee that you mentioned on line? when you say that old maps show a plummer's, florida and a plummer's cove, florida, are these two different villages or were they references to farms? (i believe you made a reference to lawrence plummer's farm as having been "plummer's, florida.") what were the other names that mandarin was known by? i remember its having been called by one other name, but even that escapes me right now. that's very interesting about how the plummer family cemetery is a burial plot within a larger burial area. ----- Original Message ----- From: Robert C. Smith To: [email protected] Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2001 10:13 AM Subject: [FLDUVAL] Re: Mahala Francis Hartley Plummer Edward D. Plummer wife was Mahala Francis Harley [daughter of Frederick Hartley]. Lawrence Plummer's farm was on Haley Road in what is now Mandarin. - It was known as Plummer's Florida until shortly after the Civil War. - Ole' history on this is varied and mixed, and several descendants now living do not yet know of the many different names that the Mandarin area has been known by, and/or addressed as. - If one will review the many documents available at the Florida Archives [in Tallahassee] you will see that many of the Plummers and the Hartleys listed that they were born in, and lived in Plummer's, Florida [or Plummer's Cove, Florida]. - Ole' maps of the area shown both a Plummer's, Florida and a Plummer's Cove, Florida. - These maps also show the three or four different names for the area now known collectively as Mandarin. - The Spanish, then British, then Spanish, then Federal Territories created their own set of names [with varied spellings] as times continued. In the hopes of clearing up some of the many different stories about "THE" Plummer Cemetery let me begin with this: Several direct descendants from Edward D. Plummer have been researching this problem for over fifty years and much controversy has been encountered. - First and foremost: There is NOT a known [provable] listing of what Plummers are buried WHERE. - There IS much information showing that there is THREE or more cemeteries [in the Duval County area] with the name of Plummer Family Cemetery. - The one most known now is the one from Lucy A. Edwards book "Grave Markers of Duval County". - That cemetery is now located just South of I295 very near the St. John's River. - TWO very important things to remember. - Mandarin was NOT the place that it is NOW when Mrs. Edwards wrote her book. - The part in her book about how to locate the cemeteries is not easily understood today, and only the ole' Floridians and /or those who were around then, can attest to that language. - That same Plummer Cemetery is really several Plummer Family Cemeteries in one, with several neighbors buried in with the Plummer families. - The one most noted within Mrs. Edwards' book mentioned the "William Plummer Family Plot". - Prior to all of the vandalism and destruction of identifiable headstones and the definable "Family" plots within the "Burial Area" this cemetery was a collective Plummer Cemetery. - The unfortunate thing today is that photographs and/or detailed maps or surveys showing WHO is buried WHERE is NOT available. - Most of the people who could share detailed knowledge on that subject are now dead and buried themselves. - There are a few dedicated Plummer Family descendants who are working hard and fast on reconstructing some of that burial history, however do to the many years of neglect and vandalism the records are all but lost. - Eventually something will come to the attention of one of these descendants [such as the unearthing of the Edward D. Plummer plaque] and the search is on again in earnest. Mandarin Road is NOT now nor has it EVER been San Jose Blvd. [another one of those misconceptions]. - Mandarin was a small "Quaint" community that had a beautiful drive [Mandarin Road] lined with ole' Live Oaks. - TODAY everyone thinks of Mandarin as the HUGE community that it is called TODAY. - Ole' Mandarin was a delightful place. - The Ole' Mandarin Post Office/Grocery Store was the hub of the community and everyone knew each other and called them by name. - Farms, Groves and peaceful home life was the norm. - Scattered throughout the area was a dozen or more small communities NOW thought to be WITHIN "THE" Mandarin. - Loretta, Loftin, Doctor's Lake, Plummer's, Plummer's Cove, Summer's, etc. - Today so many do not know just what a historical place that area really is and has been to the State of Florida and to North Florida and Jacksonville in particular. This is NOT a history lesson NOR is it intended to be a correct statement of Governmental facts. - It is the rambling of an ole' 13th Generation Floridian, descendant from the great families of Plummer and Hartley. Read, enjoy and continue to seek, prove and DOCUMENT any and all information on this continuing project. Cordially, RCS

Edward D. Plummer wife was Mahala Francis Harley [daughter of Frederick Hartley]. Lawrence Plummer's farm was on Haley Road in what is now Mandarin. - It was known as Plummer's Florida until shortly after the Civil War. - Ole' history on this is varied and mixed, and several descendants now living do not yet know of the many different names that the Mandarin area has been known by, and/or addressed as. - If one will review the many documents available at the Florida Archives [in Tallahassee] you will see that many of the Plummers and the Hartleys listed that they were born in, and lived in Plummer's, Florida [or Plummer's Cove, Florida]. - Ole' maps of the area shown both a Plummer's, Florida and a Plummer's Cove, Florida. - These maps also show the three or four different names for the area now known collectively as Mandarin. - The Spanish, then British, then Spanish, then Federal Territories created their own set of names [with varied spellings] as times continued. In the hopes of clearing up some of the many different stories about "THE" Plummer Cemetery let me begin with this: Several direct descendants from Edward D. Plummer have been researching this problem for over fifty years and much controversy has been encountered. - First and foremost: There is NOT a known [provable] listing of what Plummers are buried WHERE. - There IS much information showing that there is THREE or more cemeteries [in the Duval County area] with the name of Plummer Family Cemetery. - The one most known now is the one from Lucy A. Edwards book "Grave Markers of Duval County". - That cemetery is now located just South of I295 very near the St. John's River. - TWO very important things to remember. - Mandarin was NOT the place that it is NOW when Mrs. Edwards wrote her book. - The part in her book about how to locate the cemeteries is not easily understood today, and only the ole' Floridians and /or those who were around then, can attest to that language. - That same Plummer Cemetery is really several Plummer Family Cemeteries in one, with several neighbors buried in with the Plummer families. - The one most noted within Mrs. Edwards' book mentioned the "William Plummer Family Plot". - Prior to all of the vandalism and destruction of identifiable headstones and the definable "Family" plots within the "Burial Area" this cemetery was a collective Plummer Cemetery. - The unfortunate thing today is that photographs and/or detailed maps or surveys showing WHO is buried WHERE is NOT available. - Most of the people who could share detailed knowledge on that subject are now dead and buried themselves. - There are a few dedicated Plummer Family descendants who are working hard and fast on reconstructing some of that burial history, however do to the many years of neglect and vandalism the records are all but lost. - Eventually something will come to the attention of one of these descendants [such as the unearthing of the Edward D. Plummer plaque] and the search is on again in earnest. Mandarin Road is NOT now nor has it EVER been San Jose Blvd. [another one of those misconceptions]. - Mandarin was a small "Quaint" community that had a beautiful drive [Mandarin Road] lined with ole' Live Oaks. - TODAY everyone thinks of Mandarin as the HUGE community that it is called TODAY. - Ole' Mandarin was a delightful place. - The Ole' Mandarin Post Office/Grocery Store was the hub of the community and everyone knew each other and called them by name. - Farms, Groves and peaceful home life was the norm. - Scattered throughout the area was a dozen or more small communities NOW thought to be WITHIN "THE" Mandarin. - Loretta, Loftin, Doctor's Lake, Plummer's, Plummer's Cove, Summer's, etc. - Today so many do not know just what a historical place that area really is and has been to the State of Florida and to North Florida and Jacksonville in particular. This is NOT a history lesson NOR is it intended to be a correct statement of Governmental facts. - It is the rambling of an ole' 13th Generation Floridian, descendant from the great families of Plummer and Hartley. Read, enjoy and continue to seek, prove and DOCUMENT any and all information on this continuing project. Cordially, RCS

May I add to the confusion? I found the listing of Edward Daniel Plumber (sic) on the list of Confederate Veterans in the office of The Museum of Southern History. It lists his rank, DOB, DOD and cemetery: Lawr.Plummers1. And Spouse: Mahala F. Hartley. It references the WPA Survey. Remember that we have previously seen references to Plummer 1 & 2. I am assuming that there were at least two burial places for Plummers. Perhaps Edward was the only burial on the Lawrence Plummer farm (He inherited the farm from Edward) and others are buried at Plummers Cove or elsewhere. I, too, will be anxious to see the pictures taken at the site near Buckman Bridge. Perhaps time will tell. I have not personally been to either site. Jon R. Ferguson

for you Hagan/Hagin researchers, have you seen the document, "Malachi Hagan's Claim Against Congress, 1836, Duval County, Territory of Florida" you can pull it up at: ftp://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/fl/duval/xmisc/hagan.txt julie