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We have many AOL users and that is probably attached to their messages. ----- Original Message ----- From: "emilys" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, September 10, 2007 5:31 PM Subject: Re: [FL-WFGS] Fwd: Footnote News September 2007 >I have tried to stay neutral and out of the controversies on mis use of > emails not dealing with geneology But if this continues am about to > remove my name . Why are we advertiwsing AOL? . it has nothing to do with > geneology > Emily Sund > >

Your site manager :-) I have enjoyed the history questions, they show how we can work together to locate sources. It seemed each contributor used a different source. To me this site should be for learn to research problems in History/Family History/Genealogy. I think occassionally a member gets enthused over an unrelated message and probably sends it to everyone in their address book. They should really think before hitting the send button. If we start complaining on the list, we just create too much unwanted mail. If I don't care for a topic I hit the delete key, so simple and doesn't get my blood pressure up. There are just to many big things in life to worry about, why worry about the little ones. I do enjoy when people share good research links. Keep them coming. PEACE http://www.geocities.com/llscott_2000/Peace/index.html

Perhaps the site has become more 'historical' than 'genealogical' and does not represent what it was initially set up for. The two somehow always seem to merge at some point, however. It would be beneficial to know the prerequisites for submitting comments to the site so that, in the future, one would not become offended. Can we heard from the WFGS Board or site manager for some guidance? I have enjoyed those many comments from the subscribers whether it was family or history but to those who would prefer it to continue strictly genealogical in nature; I will abstain from any input in the future unless it is in reference to my many family lines and collateral links in this area. Thanks to all those who have sent in comments or queries as I like to learn of the history and very little is ever mentioned that would fall under the category of genealogy. Sorry for the inconvenience. Jacqueline Bowman Freisinger (I look forward to hearing from you who have these connections. (APPLEGATE, BREWTON, BROOM, EMMONS, GINDL, GRUBBS, GUNTER, HALL, HERRINGTON, HOSFORD, LAMBERT, LUCAS, MALPAS, MCELROY, MERRITT, NICHOLSON, PATTERSON, PERRY, ROBINSON, SHEPARD, STANTON, TENNANT, TOWNLEY, TURNER, WIGGINS, WILKERSON, WILLIAMSON) </HTML>

I have tried to stay neutral and out of the controversies on mis use of emails not dealing with geneology But if this continues am about to remove my name . Why are we advertiwsing AOL? . it has nothing to do with geneology Emily Sund From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, September 10, 2007 12:09 AM Subject: [FL-WFGS] Fwd: Footnote News September 2007 > > > > > ************************************** See what's new at > http://www.aol.com > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------------------------ No Virus Found In This Message Scanned at barracuda.geneseo.net

When I moved to Wright (near Ft. Walton) in 1955, (of course I was just a child, then), we found evidence of some large cement cisterns on the 17 acre "plot" that came with the house. During the 1940's, there was a dairy farm* at that site; in fact the Silas Gibson family had settled that land in about 1916*, I believe. The dairy farm was of such importance that the government waived military duty for the owners. I had always wondered what the cisterns were for and never thought to ask anyone, but now I wonder if they were for dipping. I will go to this site and see if the place in Wright is listed. Interestingly enough, I was diagnosed for Non-Hodgkins lymphoma. One of the first questions I was asked was whether I had ever been around any chemicals. I said "No, I don't think so"! * Page 222, story of Leonard Ray Gibson, Okaloosa Heritage Book, Vol. I **Page 223, story of Silas Gibson, Okaloosa Heritage Book, Volume I Margaret Hill Harris >> >> >>------------------------------- >>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

If you go to Google Maps http://maps.google.com/maps and check the area just SW of St Johns Cemetery at the end of Gadsden St just west of Pace Blvd and just north of Navy Blvd you will see an area with three baseball diamonds and a pond with two islands right next to it. There are several other ponds in the general area as well but not so close to the baseball diamond area. That fits with Bruce Rova's find of the man living on Gadsden just west of Ruby Lake. Jerry Cynthia Dean wrote: > Just west of the Baptist Hospital was Kupfrian's Park. It had a lake. > I'm not sure if the water that is there now was part of it. It looks > more like a drainage ditch, but maybe it's a lake. > > Cynthia > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >

Just west of the Baptist Hospital was Kupfrian's Park. It had a lake. I'm not sure if the water that is there now was part of it. It looks more like a drainage ditch, but maybe it's a lake. Cynthia

It is inappropriate to use this forum for passing along personal opinions on anything but genealogy related matters. Sometimes, all of us feel strongly about other issues, and cross the line. Let's try to keep our focus, in this forum, on genealogy. Peter Young wrote: >This was my point several weeks ago. I agree. I'm about to unsubscribe even though I'm a Board member! > >Pete Young > > > >From: John Bush >Sent: Sun 9/9/2007 6:07 PM >To: [email protected]; [email protected] >Subject: Re: [FL-WFGS] Fw: Red Skelton > > >I do wish people on this list would stick to genealogy and local history >and not pass on stuff like this! How would everyone like it if those of us >whose political and social views differ from yours chose to respond in this >forum? > >---------------------------------------------------------------------------- >------------ >3,761 AMERICANS HAVE DIED and at least 27,767 WOUNDED in the Iraq war; >more than 71,495 Iraqi civilians have died and more than 4 million >displaced. The cost: $9 BILLION a month. To see what the cost of the war >would buy, go to http://www.costofwar.com/ > > > > >>[Original Message] >>From: Suzzane Weathers <[email protected]> >>To: <[email protected]> >>Date: 9/9/2007 5:43:56 PM >>Subject: [FL-WFGS] Fw: Red Skelton >> >> >>----- Original Message ----- >>: max >>Sent: Sunday, September 09, 2007 12:07 AM >>Subject: Fw: Red Skelton >> >> >>You may have heard this before but it is great to her again. >>Max >> >> >>Subject: Meaning of the Pledge of Allegiance >> >> > RED SKELTON - HOW DID HE KNOW?????? >> > >> > Some of you may remember him but he passed away before many of >> >> >you were > > >> > born. Red Skelton was a good & funny man. He also ended every >> >> >show by > > >> > saying, "GOOD NIGHT AND GOD BLESS". Listen to the end of this. It >> >> >is > > >> > something he said 38 years ago.Click on the link >> >> >http://patriotfiles.org/Pledge.htm and turn your sound > > >> > on. It is one of the more stirring things I've heard in quite a >> >> >while > > >> > and well worth the minute it takes. >> > >> > RED SKELTON-HOW DID HE KNOW?????? Very important that you listen >> >> >to the > > >> > very end!! Eerie! Take a moment and listen to it (from 1969). How >> > would he have known that this is what is happening now? >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >---------------------------------------------------------------------------- >---- > > >>-- >>I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users. >>It has removed 2095 spam emails to date. >>Paying users do not have this message in their emails. >>Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len >> >>------------------------------- >>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> >> >[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >in the subject and the body of the message > > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >

Hi, I did a google search for butcher pen pond Pensacola and this is what I found. Cattle Dipping Vats in Florida From the 1910's through the 1950's, these vats were filled with an arsenic solution for the control and eradication of the cattle fever tick. Other pesticides such as DDT where also widely used. By State law, all cattle, horses, mules, goats, and other susceptible animals were required to be dipped every 14 days. Under certain circumstances, the arsenic and other pesticides remaining at the site may present an environmental or public health hazard. See listing by county of known cattle dip vats. Pensacola Dairy had one of those vats(pond?). Butcher pen may have been where they butchered the cattle and the pond was where they dipped the cattle. Thanks, John Rosique Cynthia Dean wrote: > Just west of the Baptist Hospital was Kupfrian's Park. It had a lake. > I'm not sure if the water that is there now was part of it. It looks > more like a drainage ditch, but maybe it's a lake. > > Cynthia > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

This was my point several weeks ago. I agree. I'm about to unsubscribe even though I'm a Board member! Pete Young From: John Bush Sent: Sun 9/9/2007 6:07 PM To: [email protected]; [email protected] Subject: Re: [FL-WFGS] Fw: Red Skelton I do wish people on this list would stick to genealogy and local history and not pass on stuff like this! How would everyone like it if those of us whose political and social views differ from yours chose to respond in this forum? ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------ 3,761 AMERICANS HAVE DIED and at least 27,767 WOUNDED in the Iraq war; more than 71,495 Iraqi civilians have died and more than 4 million displaced. The cost: $9 BILLION a month. To see what the cost of the war would buy, go to http://www.costofwar.com/ > [Original Message] > From: Suzzane Weathers <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Date: 9/9/2007 5:43:56 PM > Subject: [FL-WFGS] Fw: Red Skelton > > > ----- Original Message ----- > : max > Sent: Sunday, September 09, 2007 12:07 AM > Subject: Fw: Red Skelton > > > You may have heard this before but it is great to her again. > Max > > > Subject: Meaning of the Pledge of Allegiance > > > RED SKELTON - HOW DID HE KNOW?????? > > > > Some of you may remember him but he passed away before many of you were > > born. Red Skelton was a good & funny man. He also ended every show by > > saying, "GOOD NIGHT AND GOD BLESS". Listen to the end of this. It is > > something he said 38 years ago.Click on the link http://patriotfiles.org/Pledge.htm and turn your sound > > on. It is one of the more stirring things I've heard in quite a while > > and well worth the minute it takes. > > > > RED SKELTON-HOW DID HE KNOW?????? Very important that you listen to the > > very end!! Eerie! Take a moment and listen to it (from 1969). How > > would he have known that this is what is happening now? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- > > > -- > I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users. > It has removed 2095 spam emails to date. > Paying users do not have this message in their emails. > Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

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I didn't find the Butcher Pen Pond Ballpark, but while searching ran into this interesting photo of the old Admiral Mason Ballpark down along the bayfront. Thought it was interesting enough to share with the crowd. Here's the link: http://www.alabama-florida-league.com/nafl_-_stadium_admiral_mason.htm Bruce -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of Bruce & Connie Rova Sent: Sunday, September 09, 2007 10:32 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [FL-WFGS] Butcher Pen Pond Found an entry in an old Pensacola city directory that had the man living "On Gadsden West of Lake Ruby"... Bruce -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of [email protected] Sent: Sunday, September 09, 2007 8:21 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [FL-WFGS] Butcher Pen Pond It is in Vital Records of Pensacola, Fla., Volume 3, on page xi. Thanks to Judy Jolly's prompting. Butcher Pen Pond: Also called "Fielding's Butcher Pen Pond." In West Pensacola located near (north and south) of Cervantes Street. Later called "Lake Ruby"? That does not give the precise location but the name Fielding or Lake Ruby may give someone a clue. Jacqueline </HTML> ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

There is a small lake two blocks west of Baptist Hospital that may be Butcher Pen Pond alias Lake Ruby. There are today only two lakes in West Pensacola maps. The other is just east of I-110 near W. Lakeview. Neither are named on the maps I have. Jerry [email protected] wrote: > It is in Vital Records of Pensacola, Fla., Volume 3, on page xi. Thanks to > Judy Jolly's prompting. > > Butcher Pen Pond: > > Also called "Fielding's Butcher Pen Pond." In West Pensacola located near > (north and south) of Cervantes Street. Later called "Lake Ruby"? > > That does not give the precise location but the name Fielding or Lake Ruby > may give someone a clue. > > Jacqueline </HTML> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >

Found an entry in an old Pensacola city directory that had the man living "On Gadsden West of Lake Ruby"... Bruce -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of [email protected] Sent: Sunday, September 09, 2007 8:21 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [FL-WFGS] Butcher Pen Pond It is in Vital Records of Pensacola, Fla., Volume 3, on page xi. Thanks to Judy Jolly's prompting. Butcher Pen Pond: Also called "Fielding's Butcher Pen Pond." In West Pensacola located near (north and south) of Cervantes Street. Later called "Lake Ruby"? That does not give the precise location but the name Fielding or Lake Ruby may give someone a clue. Jacqueline </HTML> ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

It is in Vital Records of Pensacola, Fla., Volume 3, on page xi. Thanks to Judy Jolly's prompting. Butcher Pen Pond: Also called "Fielding's Butcher Pen Pond." In West Pensacola located near (north and south) of Cervantes Street. Later called "Lake Ruby"? That does not give the precise location but the name Fielding or Lake Ruby may give someone a clue. Jacqueline </HTML>

A little more info. Someone in NY had sent me the URL for pages of the Pensacola Journal in the early 1900's. I was searching the name "Borras," and found this entry for May 14, 1905. "Landrum and West End teams to play. The Landrum and West End teams will play a game of baseball this morning on the diamond near Butcher Pen pond. The Landrums had arranged a game with the East Hill team, but this had been called off, and the West Ends will play. The following will compose the line-up of the Landrums and each member is requested to be present in Seville square at 8:30 o'clock: Borras, catcher; Miller, pitcher; Griffin, first base; Bergen, second base; Bonifay, short stop; Klumker, third base; Bogart, left field; Pine, center field; Mertins, right field." Thus, I was curious as to the location of Butcher Pen Pond. Since there was no bridge across the bay at that time, it seems unlikely to me that they would have gone to the Gulf Breeze area or where some of you have said Butcher Pen Cove might be. There is another article on April 18, 1905 about the same "teams played an interesting game Sunday afternoon on the diamond at Big Ditch...." So, now, where was Big Ditch???? Cynthia

In one of the three WFGS blue vital records volumes there is a list of old communities or locations found in birth and death records. I don't have the books in my personal library, but someone on the list may and could check. Perhaps Butcher Pen Pond is on the list. Judy Jolly p.s. PPL Genealogy Department now has 10 volunteers from our WFGS. What a great service they provide. They shelve books, clip papers, file, copy, and patiently and skillfully help patrons of all research levels. These volunteers represent our society and our library well. What a great group! Thanks to everyone!

I do wish people on this list would stick to genealogy and local history and not pass on stuff like this! How would everyone like it if those of us whose political and social views differ from yours chose to respond in this forum? ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------ 3,761 AMERICANS HAVE DIED and at least 27,767 WOUNDED in the Iraq war; more than 71,495 Iraqi civilians have died and more than 4 million displaced. The cost: $9 BILLION a month. To see what the cost of the war would buy, go to http://www.costofwar.com/ > [Original Message] > From: Suzzane Weathers <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Date: 9/9/2007 5:43:56 PM > Subject: [FL-WFGS] Fw: Red Skelton > > > ----- Original Message ----- > : max > Sent: Sunday, September 09, 2007 12:07 AM > Subject: Fw: Red Skelton > > > You may have heard this before but it is great to her again. > Max > > > Subject: Meaning of the Pledge of Allegiance > > > RED SKELTON - HOW DID HE KNOW?????? > > > > Some of you may remember him but he passed away before many of you were > > born. Red Skelton was a good & funny man. He also ended every show by > > saying, "GOOD NIGHT AND GOD BLESS". Listen to the end of this. It is > > something he said 38 years ago.Click on the link http://patriotfiles.org/Pledge.htm and turn your sound > > on. It is one of the more stirring things I've heard in quite a while > > and well worth the minute it takes. > > > > RED SKELTON-HOW DID HE KNOW?????? Very important that you listen to the > > very end!! Eerie! Take a moment and listen to it (from 1969). How > > would he have known that this is what is happening now? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- > > > -- > I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users. > It has removed 2095 spam emails to date. > Paying users do not have this message in their emails. > Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message