You may also order copies of microfilm from them. <A HREF="http://merrimack.nara.gov/cgi-bin/starfinder/15008/micfilm.txt">Dawes</A > Lisa Thompson

I have recently come across the book, WHO'S LOOKING FOR WHOM IN NATIVE AMERICAN ANCESTRY, vol., and would be happy to do some lookups. The book consists of three sections: 1.-Native American ancestors and their researchers, 2.-Indian tribes and organizations searching for lost tribal members, 3.-Researchers. The book was published in 1997, by a researcher working for the Pan-Am Indian Council. It doesn't contain a whole lot of names, but may be able to help someone out there. Everyone on these lists have always been so helpful to me, I would like to return the favor. Thanks, Audri

I would like someone on the list to tell me, if they can, how would I confirm a roll number. I have Anson Ross b05/15/1827 d 12/13/1909. Is there a place to call, or write to find any information on this number? He served in the confederate service from 1862 till 1864 was wounded. Information is that he was listed with a roll number of 2602 Choctaw tribe in Muskogee OK . He had two sons Thomas Benjamin Ross b 11/14/1861 d 05/06/1935 he married Francis Missouri Anderson Ross b1865 d 1935 he married Thea Ester Hallmark What I would like to find out from the roll number is the name of Anson Ross's wife and hopefully his father's name. Any suggestions would be most welcomed. Bobbie and Jimmie Taylor

Thanks Lisa for the info. I was unaware of the information available at OU...duh! Sometimes I am a bit slow. The University is just down the street from me, so that's where I'll be tomorrow! Thanks again! Jo Ann

Lisa, Thanks for the information. You may have gotten it from the quarterly Larry Watson publishes. I believe the name is the Journal of American Indian Affairs. He lives in CA but I don't remember where. That is where I got the first Court records on the Stinnetts. A cousin sent them to me. Wanda

Wanda, Here is some info I copied from a site some time ago and at the time forgot to cite who had wrote it. I'm sure they put it out there to help fellow searchers though. Goss, Joe R. A Complete Roll of All Choctaw Claimants and Their Heirs: Existing Under the Treaties Between the United States and the Choctaw Nation As Far As Shown by the Records of the United States and of the Choctaw Nation. Conway, AR: Oldbuck Press, [199_?]. Reprint of the 1889 edition originally printed by Robt. D. Patterson Stationery Co., St. Louis. [197] p. ISBN 1568690029; 1568690037 (pbk.). United States. Commission to the Five Civilized Tribes. Final Rolls of Citizens and Freedmen of the Five Civilized Tribes in Indian Territory, (As Approved by the Secretary of the Interior on or Before March 4, 1907, With Supplements Dated September 25, 1914) [Also Known as Dawes Commission Rolls]. Washington, DC: National Archives, 1961. 3 reels of 35 mm. microfilm. Series: National Archives Microfilm Publications, T529. Contents: Reel 1. Choctaw and Chickasaw Rolls -- Reel 2. Cherokee Rolls -- Reel 3. Creek and Seminole Rolls. Watson, Larry S. 1830 Choctaw Roll, "Armstrong Roll." Laguna Hills, CA (23011 Moulton Pkwy C-8, 92653): HISTREE, 1988. ISBN: 0042594967. [237] p. Indexed. Watson, Larry S. 1830 Choctaw Roll, "Armstrong Roll." Laguna Hills, CA (23011 Moulton Pkwy C-8, 92653): HISTREE, 1988. ISBN: 0042594967. [237] p. Indexed. Some agencies with Indian records (from Kay Kirkham's Our Native Americans and their...) American Board of Commissioners for Foreign Missions 14 Beacon Street Boston, MA. "For a period, American Indian Missions were considered foreign missions and there are records, 1817-1883, relating,to the following tribes: ... Chickasaw..." Federal Archives and Records Center 4900 Hemphill Street Fort Worth, TX 76115 Oklahoma Historical Society Indian Archives Division Historical Bldg. Oklahoma City, OK 73105 "They have many Federal Indian Agency records, 1870-1920's, records of the Five Civilized Tribes, etc." Red River Valley Historical Association Department of Social Sciences Southeastern Oklahoma State University Durant, OK 74701 "Materials concerning Choctaw, Chickasaw Indians including tribal record books and correspondence of Indian chiefs." United States National Park Service Natchez Trace Parkway Library and Visitor's Center RR #1, NT 143 Tupelo, MS 38801 "200 items on Choctaw and Chickasaw Indians." University of Oklahoma Bizzell Library Western History Collection 630 Parrington Oval Norman, OK 73019 "Materials relating to southwest and American Indians; papers of the Five Civilized Tribes, Pioneer papers, 116 paper volumes, private papers of Indian chiefs." Also, I don't know your lines geographical region or time span but in a book I have, The Choctaw - Jesse O. McKee, it states: Pres. G. Cleveland formed a committe (Dawes) to negotiate termination of the Five Civilized Tribes' land titles. The US was to didvide this land equally among all citizens of these Indian Nations, except for the black freedman, who would receive 40 acres. The Choctaw and the Chickasaw originally rejected the plan, but were soon convinced to and together drafted the Atoka Agreement. The Dawes Commission set about compiling a roll that would list everyone entitled to allotment. This was complicated by people claiming to be Choctaw, but who never lived in and were never citizens of the Nation. In 1900, Congress legislated that these applications were not valid, although it did make an acception for the Mississippi Choctaw if they could prove they were descendents of the Choctaw who had requested tracts in their homeland in 1830 'Treaty.' Col. William Ward, the agent who had the responsibility of registering these requests, had left very poor records. Unable to verify the claimants' descent, the US government was flooded with more than 6,000 applictions for allotment, most of which were fraudulent. Many of the actual descendents refused to come forward because they were afraid it was just another scheme of the US government to stael their MS homes. The government closed the tribal rolls on March 4, 1907, with many disputes outstanding. In my opinion, the Commission only had to gain by denying, with the fraudulant claims and poor records serving as a good excuse. Therefore they did not have to allot land to these people. I hope this helps. Lisa

I know she must not have been listed and her grandson were denied rights. That seems strange to me because they were they. They were granted rights by the court on IT but denied in Washington. Wanda

Wanda, The Dawes Rolls ran from 1898 to 1906. Perhaps Abigail was not listed in the rolls. They would have to have been living in IT to have been enumerated during this period. I also am having some trouble with finding family on the Chicasaw rolls. I have found that some of the Chicasaws are actually listed as Choctaw as many were established on Choctaw lands. There are some pretty good links at www.pitt.edu/~lmitten/indian_genealogy.html Good hunting! JoAnn

I have an affidavit for a trial where my great-uncles were trying to get on the Chickasaw rolls. It list several children of William Colbert and states that Abigail married William Stinnett a white man and she full-blood Chickasaw. It is signed by Isaac Williams an interpreter for several years in the old Chickasaw Nation. Signed 19 Aug 1896. So why couldn't they get on the roll? they were her grandsons. Wanda

Hello Everybody, I would like to find out more about the descendants of my 3rd great grandmother, Eleanor "Ellen REESE, b: 10 April 1832, d: September 1901 daughter of Charles Gullet REESE Jr., Nellie MCCOY. She is 1 of 14 children of Charles and Nellie. Here are the names of Ellen's siblings: Sallie, Henry Dobson, Catherine, Mary, John C., Polly, Charles III, George F., Margaret Ann, Roderick A., Charlotte, David, and Joseph. Now for Ellen's descendants. Her first relationship was with Unknown BROWN. They were married before or during 1850. They had one daughter named ANNIE HENRY BROWN b: 05 August 1851, d: 31 December 1873 and married 10 February 1868 MURDOCK MCLEOD, b: 28 January 1834, d: 18 May 1917. Annie and Murdock had one daughter named NELLIE KATHERINE MCLEOD, b: 08 February 1872, who married 26 April 1891 GEORGE STARR ROSS, b: 27 June 1865, d: 24 November 1894. Nellie and George had two sons named WAYNE MCLEOD ROSS and ROY VIVIAN ROSS. Drennen Roll of 1851, Tahlequah #251 list Widow Reese, John C. Reese, Eleanor Brown, Anne H. Brown. George Reese, Roderick Reese,Charlotte, Reese, Margaret Reese. Ellen's second relationship was with WILLIAM PENN BOUDINOT, b. 04 February 1830, d. 1896/98, her first cousin once removed. William Penn was the son of ELIAS BOUDINOT and HARRIET RUGGLES GOLD. I have no marriage date. Their daughter, EMMA INEZ BOUDINOT, b. after 1850, d. 22 February 1879. Emma was married to WILLIAM ALEXANDER ALLEN, MD., b. 25 December 1842, d. 05 January 1926. Emma and William had two daughters, SARAH ALMEDIA ALLEN b. 10 November 1873, d: 24 May 1903 and NINA WATIE ALLEN b. 04 March 1878, d. 10 December 1968. Sarah (my great grandmother) married SAMUEL A. BERRY. Nina married ROBERT SPRINGER. Ellen's 3rd relationship was with CHARLES LOWRY b. 1829, d. 1880, marriage date unknown. Ellen and Charles had the following 4 children: *(1) RETURN JOHNSON "Turn" LOWRY, b. 1864 m. DRUCILLA MEDLEY. Return and Drucilla had four children: Jack Frost, Charles, Emmett, and Captoria. *(2) P. D. LOWRY b. 1866, *(3) ALICE B. "Allie" LOWRY b. bef. 1867, and lastly *(4) CHARLES PICKENS LOWRY b. 12 September 1868, d. 29 April 1897 married 21 January 1889 LAURA RIDER b. 14 August 1875. Charles and Laura had the following children: Naoma "Oma", Jeter Brown "Coon" and Charles Pickens "Skeet" Lowry, Jr. Grandmother Ellen's last relationship was with FREDERICK FOLK. No further information. Where is Ellen buried? Are there any marriage records for any of these relationships. Thank you for any information you might wish to share. Helen Davis GradashY@aol.com

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Okay, it pays to listen to your elders when they speak! This weekend, I had the opportunity to take my mom and uncle to visit their younger sister in a rest home in Sacramento. We hadn't seen my uncle since the death of his wife 5 years ago. My aunt in Sacramento hadn't seen him since the funeral of their mother in 1992 in Bakersfield, California. As I drove, I listened to my mom and uncle talk about old times. Soon, memories of their mother came up. My uncle said he really regretted not learning his mom's "Indian talk". It wasn't until her funeral that the family began to realize the opportunity we all missed. When the conversation shifted to my grandmother's father, I inquired "Wasn't his name 'Big Jack' and wasn't he from some Indian tribe called the Pawnee?" Both my uncle and mom began talking at once! It seems that grandmother's father was 'Big John Mays' and he was French and Cherokee Indian. My grandmother's mother was African American and Cherokee! So I need to find out about 'Big John Mays' from Louisiana, not Oklahoma. It seems that he died and left all his property to the state. My grandmother did not go to the funeral and did not understand about the business of inheritance. I think the state of Louisiana took the property back in 1935, for failure of any relative coming forth. Any direction you can give me in my research would be appreciated. Ed Udell Oakland, CA

Linda, All those different census cards are probably childrens records, if you will pull up those census card numbers with no name attached, you will get her children, maybe her husband. You can then request the file from the NARA in Ft. Worth. Cathy.

Hello, Today I found My great grandmother's name in the Dawes Commision. Her name was Margaret Hodge-born:1880(Ms.) I will enclose what I found. What does this mean? Dawes Commission Index 1898-1914 Field Search Matches [Any] HODGE 69 [Any] MARGARET 116 8 Combined Matches Control Number: NRFF-75-53A-36420 Unit of Description: Item Record Group Number: 75 Series ID: 53A Item ID: 36420 Title: Enrollment for Margaret Hodge General Materials Designator Record Type: Textual Records Reference Unit: National Archives--Southwest Region Agency Name: National Archives and Records Administration Facility Name: Building 1, Dock 1 Address: 501 West Felix Street City: Fort Worth State: TX Zip Code: 76115 Telephone Number: 817-334-5525 Fax Number: 817-334-5621 Organizational Code: NRFF Creating Organization: Commissioner to the Five Civilized Tribes, Bureau of Indian Affairs. Scope and Content: Tribe: Creek Type: Parent Sex: Female Census Card Number: 691 Personal Name Reference: Margaret Hodge Item Count/Item Type: item(s) |c 1 Source Project: Kiosk Click to view full context ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- Control Number: NRFF-75-53A-36421 Unit of Description: Item Record Group Number: 75 Series ID: 53A Item ID: 36421 Title: Enrollment for Margaret Hodge General Materials Designator Record Type: Textual Records Reference Unit: National Archives--Southwest Region Agency Name: National Archives and Records Administration Facility Name: Building 1, Dock 1 Address: 501 West Felix Street City: Fort Worth State: TX Zip Code: 76115 Telephone Number: 817-334-5525 Fax Number: 817-334-5621 Organizational Code: NRFF Creating Organization: Commissioner to the Five Civilized Tribes, Bureau of Indian Affairs. Scope and Content: Tribe: Creek Type: Parent Sex: Female Census Card Number: 773 Personal Name Reference: Margaret Hodge Item Count/Item Type: item(s) |c 1 Source Project: Kiosk Click to view full context ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- Control Number: NRFF-75-53A-36422 Unit of Description: Item Record Group Number: 75 Series ID: 53A Item ID: 36422 Title: Enrollment for Margaret Hodge General Materials Designator Record Type: Textual Records Reference Unit: National Archives--Southwest Region Agency Name: National Archives and Records Administration Facility Name: Building 1, Dock 1 Address: 501 West Felix Street City: Fort Worth State: TX Zip Code: 76115 Telephone Number: 817-334-5525 Fax Number: 817-334-5621 Organizational Code: NRFF Creating Organization: Commissioner to the Five Civilized Tribes, Bureau of Indian Affairs. Scope and Content: Tribe: Creek Type: Parent Sex: Female Census Card Number: 853 Personal Name Reference: Margaret Hodge Item Count/Item Type: item(s) |c 1 Source Project: Kiosk Click to view full context ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- Control Number: NRFF-75-53A-36423 Unit of Description: Item Record Group Number: 75 Series ID: 53A Item ID: 36423 Title: Enrollment for Margaret Hodge General Materials Designator Record Type: Textual Records Reference Unit: National Archives--Southwest Region Agency Name: National Archives and Records Administration Facility Name: Building 1, Dock 1 Address: 501 West Felix Street City: Fort Worth State: TX Zip Code: 76115 Telephone Number: 817-334-5525 Fax Number: 817-334-5621 Organizational Code: NRFF Creating Organization: Commissioner to the Five Civilized Tribes, Bureau of Indian Affairs. Scope and Content: Tribe: Creek Type: Parent Sex: Female Census Card Number: 876 Personal Name Reference: Margaret Hodge Item Count/Item Type: item(s) |c 1 Source Project: Kiosk Click to view full context ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- Control Number: NRFF-75-53A-36424 Unit of Description: Item Record Group Number: 75 Series ID: 53A Item ID: 36424 Title: Enrollment for Margaret Hodge General Materials Designator Record Type: Textual Records Reference Unit: National Archives--Southwest Region Agency Name: National Archives and Records Administration Facility Name: Building 1, Dock 1 Address: 501 West Felix Street City: Fort Worth State: TX Zip Code: 76115 Telephone Number: 817-334-5525 Fax Number: 817-334-5621 Organizational Code: NRFF Creating Organization: Commissioner to the Five Civilized Tribes, Bureau of Indian Affairs. Scope and Content: Tribe: Creek Type: Parent Sex: Female Census Card Number: 1733 Personal Name Reference: Margaret Hodge Item Count/Item Type: item(s) |c 1 Source Project: Kiosk Click to view full context ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- Control Number: NRFF-75-53A-36425 Unit of Description: Item Record Group Number: 75 Series ID: 53A Item ID: 36425 Title: Enrollment for Margaret Hodge General Materials Designator Record Type: Textual Records Reference Unit: National Archives--Southwest Region Agency Name: National Archives and Records Administration Facility Name: Building 1, Dock 1 Address: 501 West Felix Street City: Fort Worth State: TX Zip Code: 76115 Telephone Number: 817-334-5525 Fax Number: 817-334-5621 Organizational Code: NRFF Creating Organization: Commissioner to the Five Civilized Tribes, Bureau of Indian Affairs. Scope and Content: Tribe: Creek Type: Parent Sex: Female Census Card Number: 2050 Personal Name Reference: Margaret Hodge Item Count/Item Type: item(s) |c 1 Source Project: Kiosk Click to view full context ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- Control Number: NRFF-75-53A-36426 Unit of Description: Item Record Group Number: 75 Series ID: 53A Item ID: 36426 Title: Enrollment for Margaret Hodge General Materials Designator Record Type: Textual Records Reference Unit: National Archives--Southwest Region Agency Name: National Archives and Records Administration Facility Name: Building 1, Dock 1 Address: 501 West Felix Street City: Fort Worth State: TX Zip Code: 76115 Telephone Number: 817-334-5525 Fax Number: 817-334-5621 Organizational Code: NRFF Creating Organization: Commissioner to the Five Civilized Tribes, Bureau of Indian Affairs. Scope and Content: Tribe: Creek Type: Parent Sex: Female Census Card Number: 2051 Personal Name Reference: Margaret Hodge Item Count/Item Type: item(s) |c 1 Source Project: Kiosk Click to view full context ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- Control Number: NRFF-75-53A-36427 Unit of Description: Item Record Group Number: 75 Series ID: 53A Item ID: 36427 Title: Enrollment for Margaret Hodge General Materials Designator Record Type: Textual Records Reference Unit: National Archives--Southwest Region Agency Name: National Archives and Records Administration Facility Name: Building 1, Dock 1 Address: 501 West Felix Street City: Fort Worth State: TX Zip Code: 76115 Telephone Number: 817-334-5525 Fax Number: 817-334-5621 Organizational Code: NRFF Creating Organization: Commissioner to the Five Civilized Tribes, Bureau of Indian Affairs. Scope and Content: Tribe: Creek Type: Parent Sex: Female Census Card Number: 3405 Personal Name Reference: Margaret Hodge Item Count/Item Type: item(s) |c 1 Source Project: Kiosk Click to view full context ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- _______________________________________ Viewing records 1-8 of 8 Home Site Map Subscriber Benefits Getting Started Survey Help Corporate Pages Job Openings Advertise Here Online Store Genealogy Columns Genealogy Lessons Ethnic Research Maps /Gazetteers Software World Tree Chat Juliana's Links Ancestry Magazine Ancestry Books Genealogical Computing Copyright Ancestry.com, Inc. 1998

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Hi, CBR When are you talking about? The "high license fees" you mention were the tribes' reactions to U.S. citizens moving into the nations'/Indian Territory in large numbers. Generally this happened as the railroads were built but before territorial status. The license fees were pretty much gone by the 1890's (they were never very effective at keeping illegal immigrants out; sound familiar?) since the U.S. was working on several plans to allot the lands, abolish the tribal governments (and opposition), and open up the "excess" lands for homesteaders. The railroads were one of the primary proponents of allotment & homesteading. Christian missionaries were not common in preterritorial days, and many couples were never formally married (or divorced). Not many marriage records were kept. Some of the censuses (taken for payment of treaty obligations, not part of the U.S. census) and enrollments list families' and children's names. Birth certificates (white or Indian) were not required until the 20th century. Tribal enrollment and allotment records (Dawes Commision, 1898-1902) will get you some names, and carry your line back to the mid 19th century, if they enrolled. No formal birth records were kept. Check out www.rootsweb.com for the nations/counties you are interested in. You can search www.nara.gov for ancestors that may have enrolled in the Cherokee, Chickasaw, Choctaw, Creek or Seminole tribes. There are enrollment records on microfilm for the other tribes. Check with your librarian for more information. Chuck Miles -----Original Message----- From: Cbrsearch@aol.com <Cbrsearch@aol.com> To: FIVECIVILTRIB-L@rootsweb.com <FIVECIVILTRIB-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Sunday, March 21, 1999 2:03 PM Subject: intermarriage >Hello, > >I have seen references to intermarriage in the Indian Territory, but all I've >read has pertained to white men marrying Native American women. Would the >high license fee (around $100) and the written support of several citizens >also have been required when a Choctaw man took a white wife? > >Does anyone know the legal status of common-law marriages in the Indian >Territory? That is, were they considered legally binding as they are in some >states, despite the lack of an official license? > >Would the offspring of a common-law marriage have been citizens of the Nation, >even if they had a white mother? I have been told that in the I.T. "children >followed the blood of the mother," and that illegitimacy was never an issue. >But I wonder if, this being the case, a white mother means non-citizenship for >her children? > >Would there be any record of the children's births in the Nation? How about >in Ft. Smith, if the children were considered white? I am trying to figure >out where to look for any records that might list the father's name or >maternal grandparents. > >Thanks for any help. :-) > >______________________________

Hi Chuck! Boy, you were the one to ask about this. :-) I have read in a couple places online that common-law marriages were not unusual in that time and place, but I can't find published source for the info. Any recommendations? I only have a birthdate of one of the children in the family I'm researching. He was born in 1888, but I don't know if he was eldest of the three, youngest, or in the middle. Darn. I'm glad there was not likely a great stigma attached to this situation, but the lack of records makes a wall for me. These children were the half-siblings of my grandmother, and it's as if this half of the family is now lost to me. I have only the name of my great-grandmother and the LIKELY identities of her parents, but I can't find records to confirm them. While my own great-grandfather's identity and marriage is well-documented via census records and other records, I cannot place the father of my grandmother's first three children. The children took their mother's last name, and while I'm fairly sure the children were born in what became LeFlore Co., neither their names nor their mother's appear in the 1885 Skulleyville census. Thanks for the insight, Chuck, and some helpful info. :-) Anyone have anything further that might help me understand the situation?

Thanks, Cathy, for your reply and suggestion. I printed it, but when I tried it I got nowhere. No boxes to put surnames in. I'll see if I can get someone to help me in a day or two. Ed Udell - I'd be interested in tribes around Ashland too. I've got to search Arkansas, but don't know if I'm looking for Cherokee or Chotaw. I've got a long ways to go. Redell

It will be a lot of searching but it may help. <A HREF="http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgwnar/">Native American Resources</A> Lisa