Sue, This is a long shot, but maybe worth something. At least we're in the same state <grin>. I have a Joseph N. Fisher b. abt. 1852 in NY, with both parents (I have no names for them) also b. NY, according to the 1880 census. He married Anna F. (Annie) Outcalt in MO in 1876. Annie was born in IN, and her lineage goes back to OH then NJ. At present Joseph is one of my many brick walls. Vanette Hobbs Hamilton