Does anyone know more about these police officers killed in the line of duty? Fink, Albert J. - Detroit Police Department. 04/09 1924 Michigan Fink, Edward D. - United States Marshals Service. 11/28 1904 Fink, John. - New York City Police Department 10/15 1932 New York Fink, Otto. - Johnstown Police Department. 11/02 1923 Pennsylvania Brian Morgan bmorgan@cox.rr.com

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Ramona, I posted your message re: Arthur FINK on the Canada-Ontario - York County e-mail list I'm on. I asked that responses be sent to the FINK list, but it was sent to me. Here it is; I hope it may help you. Subj: Re: FINK - HOWE Date: 7/23/2000 11:20:27 PM Eastern Daylight Time From: ccoggins@advnet.net (Chuck and Kimmer) To: DustiGen@aol.com Subject- Howe I have a Howe married to a George Gillis but I have no ideal what her first name is something like Rotilda there son John Gillis is my GGG Grandfather who came to St Clair Michigan any help would be great Kim Coggins

Fellow listmates, While searching through the stacks at New England Historic Genealogical Society in Boston, my eyes fell on this book: Calendar of British Historical Manuscripts 1664-1776 The title page also said: In the Office of the Secretary of State, Albany, New York. It might be worth looking at as there are references to deaths, marriages, births, naturalizations, correspondence between NY and other colonies, and many, many, other matters. It is indexed and the description gives a Volume and page number to view the described document. Perhaps this will help you over some brick walls. I didn't find what I was looking for but found it very interesting. Dusti

Posted on: Fink Queries Board URL: http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/FamilyAssoc/Fink?read=41 Surname: FINK, MAGEE ------------------------- I am searching for George Fink who came to the US from Germany (I don't know where) in 1852/1854 with his parents, Conrad and Lillian and his brother, Henry. They supposedly lived in N. New Jersey until George married Ellen Magee about 1877 on Staten Island, NY. I am looking for any information on this family. Thanks.

We have FINK but I havent gone down that path yet. All I know our family said we are part German. Sorry I couldnt help. I will go down that path and if I find anything connected I will notify you. We have a Martha Jane FINK who married a George Stephen ROGERS and her fathers name is George FINK and mother is Levina ? from Tennessee.

We have FINK but I havent gone down that path yet. All I know our family said we are part German. Sorry I couldnt help. I will go down that path and if I find anything connected I will notify you. We have a Martha Jane FINK who married a George Stephen ROGERS and her fathers name is George FINK and mother is Levina ? from Tennessee.

Posted on: Fink Queries Board URL: http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/FamilyAssoc/Fink?read=38 Surname: Fink, Howe ------------------------- I am looking for information on Arthur Fink's father and mother. He was born in Leamington CAN. in 1866. His parents were Henry Fink from ENG and Marie Howe from Germany. Arthur ran away from home in CAN to join the Barnum circus in NEW YOrk. He left there when the fire burned the circus and went to Sault Ste Marie Mi and worked on the ore boats when he was about 19. He went to Dancy WI and was a lumberman and lived in Kingsford MI where he died and is buried. He had 8 children. Lillian went back to London CA where she lived till she died of a goiter.

Dear Diane: I see no links between your family and the Fink family I am researching in VA and WV. I hope you have success in your research. Bruce Colburn Fink

Here is my posting for my Fink line. My great grandmother was Emma Sarah Fink. She was born June 4, 1858 in Fulton County, Illinois. She died March 9, 1910 in Boulder Colorado. Emma's father was Samuel S. Fink born November 1831 in Maryland. Emma's mother, Elizabeth Zuch either passed on or was divorced from Samuel as he remarried Esther Macdonald in 1862 in Fulton County, Illinois. Samuel's children by Esther were Edgar, born abt 1863, Effa born abt 1867, Cora born abt 1872, Clida born abt 1879. Samuel Fink's father was Solomon Fink, born abt 1802 in Frederick County, Maryland. His wife was Sarah Bixler and they were married abt 1830 in Maryland. Their children were Joseph born Sept 24, 1831, Samuel S., Sarah Ellen born Dec 17, 1834, Catherine born 1835, Lydia Ann born 1837, William Fenton born Feb 11, 1839, John H. born Feb. 22, 1840, Amanda born 1841, Jacob born 1843, Lucinda born 1844, Phidelia born 1844, Ezra born 1846, Susan born 1847, Oliva born 1848. There is a Solomon Fink listed in the will of Philip Fink Sr. The will was probated Sept 5, 1803 in Frederick Maryland. There were 8 children listed. I am still needing verification that the Solomon listed on Philip's will is my Solomon. Any help in any direction on this line will be greatly appreciated.

I had saved this from a listing I found someplace: <<< verbatim, from John Young PEARSON's personal pocket ledger, started 6 Nov. 1865 MACY, Mary m. Mr. FINK in White Co., Indiana >>> Does anyone know who Mr. FINK is and anything about this couple?

Marcie, Also, Elnora MIGHT have also been married BEFORE she married William. There were few things a woman could do respectfully to support herself and/or her children unless she had a father, brother, or a son old enough to look after her and the rest of the family. AND men needed women to look after their children, keep house, etc. She certainly had the example of both in her Uncle Van BURTON and her stepmother Mary SKILLEN Stralheim Fink Spencer. Although Mary did not remarry after Wm. SPENCER's death. [I need to get a copy of his will and probate record; she may have been provided the use of the home and household furnishings UNTIL/UNLESS she remarried, which was the usual conditions of the day.] When I went to Pulaski County looking for Jacob FINK and Mary SKILLEN's marriage record, Mary to Wm. SPENCER, and info on my RHODES (at that time) families just as an after thought, I decided to see if the marriage to Jacob STRALHEIM was there. I could not believe my luck! I am so glad I followed that thought otherwise, I would be looking for that record in Ohio! to no avail. I haven't found Jacob STRALHEIM's body (and may never be able to) but there may never have been a tombstone, their daughter Catharine is buried with the SKILLEN's, Jacob FINK is buried with his first wife in the WOOLEY plot, but Mary is not buried with Wm. SPENCER and his other wives although I suspect she is in the same cemetery at Crooked Creek Christian Church just south of Royal Center, IN. Yes, I'm familiar with where you are. I was raised in Marshall County and was a member of Indiana Rural Youth. Went often to meetings in Madison County when I lived in Indy. Good luck and I'm holding my breath again. Dusti

Ok Dusti, I never thot about her re-marrying tho...I dont' really think she did. I don't have her buried with William and I find that strange. ? May be she did remarry. I won't be home tomorrow...going on a hunt again with a friend to Hancock Co., IN. to look for my ROGERS line. I'll try to get some more hunting done on this family in a week or so...have some other plans this week. :( Thanks, Marcie in IN. -----Original Message----- From: DustiGen@aol.com <DustiGen@aol.com> To: FINK-L@rootsweb.com <FINK-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Tuesday, June 06, 2000 7:53 PM Subject: [FINK] Elnora FINK, Florence FINK Rhoades, and Sarah Lavina FINK Smith >Marcie, > >Do you know when Elnora FINK died? > >AND don't forget to check for a remarriage of Elnora while you are looking, >that might be why you lost her. > >Elnora is not mentioned in the funeral home abstract of Florence FINK's death >while all the other surviving 1/2 siblings were listed --- unless they had >lost contact --- so perhaps this will give you a place from which to start >backtracking. Sarah Lavina FINK Smith died 21 February 1934 in South Dakota; >and Florence died in Logansport, Indiana, on 2 August 1934 the widow of >Henry RHOADES/RHODES (and a million other spellings). > >Dusti (in Boston, Mass) > > >============================== >Free Web space. ANY amount. ANY subject. >RootsWeb's Freepages put you in touch with millions. >http://cgi.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/acctform.cgi > >

Hi Dusti, Oh I will share for sure when I find some thing more. :) Oh Lord, I'm sorry. I guess I was so excited about this connection I forgot it. I'm in Madison Co. (central) IN., smack in the middle of Anderson, Muncie, Marion and Elwood. :) Thanks again. Marcie in IN. -----Original Message----- From: DustiGen@aol.com <DustiGen@aol.com> To: FINK-L@rootsweb.com <FINK-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Tuesday, June 06, 2000 7:32 PM Subject: [FINK] Elnora FINK >Marcie, > >YOU better let me know if this is the right Elnora. I can tell you more >about the FINK family [and Elnora's mother]. Totally by accident, one of >Sarah Lavina FINK's granddaughters and I have made contact while she was >searching her SMITH side of the house. Whether or not we connect on the >SMITH side is unknown, but it blew her away that someone would respond to the >insignificant comment about John SMITH's wife, Sarah Lavina FINK and their >marriage in Cass County, Indiana, when she was looking for John SMITH's >parents. > >Please jot down the marriages, deaths, births of FINKs as you come across >them and share on the list. > >I'd like to know more about Jacob A. FINK who married Jennie W [I don't >recall her last name but may be Jacob and Catharine's son] in Pulaski County, >Indiana. > >You still didn't tell me where in Indiana you are. > >Dusti (misplaced Hoosier in Boston, Mass) > > >============================== >Join the RootsWeb WorldConnect Project: >Linking the world, one GEDCOM at a time. >http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/ > >

Marcie, Do you know when Elnora FINK died? AND don't forget to check for a remarriage of Elnora while you are looking, that might be why you lost her. Elnora is not mentioned in the funeral home abstract of Florence FINK's death while all the other surviving 1/2 siblings were listed --- unless they had lost contact --- so perhaps this will give you a place from which to start backtracking. Sarah Lavina FINK Smith died 21 February 1934 in South Dakota; and Florence died in Logansport, Indiana, on 2 August 1934 the widow of Henry RHOADES/RHODES (and a million other spellings). Dusti (in Boston, Mass)

Marcie, YOU better let me know if this is the right Elnora. I can tell you more about the FINK family [and Elnora's mother]. Totally by accident, one of Sarah Lavina FINK's granddaughters and I have made contact while she was searching her SMITH side of the house. Whether or not we connect on the SMITH side is unknown, but it blew her away that someone would respond to the insignificant comment about John SMITH's wife, Sarah Lavina FINK and their marriage in Cass County, Indiana, when she was looking for John SMITH's parents. Please jot down the marriages, deaths, births of FINKs as you come across them and share on the list. I'd like to know more about Jacob A. FINK who married Jennie W [I don't recall her last name but may be Jacob and Catharine's son] in Pulaski County, Indiana. You still didn't tell me where in Indiana you are. Dusti (misplaced Hoosier in Boston, Mass)

Hi Dusti, Oh my Gosh ! I don't know if I can take this . :) Thank you so very much. I'm on the search now...I sure didn't know or even think of other places in IN. for them to be. Thank you...Thank you...Thanks you Dusti ! You are a great one . I just hope this is MY Elnora...hope...hope....hope I do. Marcie in IN. NOW on the search for sure. :) -----Original Message----- From: DustiGen@aol.com <DustiGen@aol.com> To: FINK-L@rootsweb.com <FINK-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Saturday, June 03, 2000 11:09 PM Subject: [FINK] Elnora FINK >Marcie, > >Jacob FINK (b. 7 Aug 1819) whose marriage on 10 Aug 1843 to Catharine WOOLEY >(b. about 30 Oct 1821 daughter of Hugh WOOLEY and his wife Hannah) is >recorded in Marion County, OH. > >1850 Census, Van Buren Twp, Pulaski Co., IN >Jacob Fink, 29, Value of Real Estate $600, bp: PA >Catharine Fink, 27, bp: NY >Mary Emily Fink, 6, bp: OH >Maria Louisa Fink, 4, bp: OH >Minerva Elnora Fink, 3, bp: OH >Sarah Alice Fink, 1, bp: IN > >Another child was born: Jacob Alonzo Fink c Dec 1851 although referred to as >Jacob Lorenzo Fink in the guardianship files of the heirs of Jacob Fink. > >Catharine WOOLEY Fink died 23 December 1851 [I'd guess from child birth] and >is buried in the WOOLEY plot in the Kline Cemetery, Royal Center, Boone >Township, Cass County, Indiana. > >Jacob FINK then married on 28 March 1852 Mary SKILLEN (b 16 Dec 1827 in OH) >the widow of Jacob STRALHEIM and the daughter of Benjamin C. SKILLEN. After >all, Jacob did have a house full of children, one of which was a three month >old baby. The 1850 Census Record for Van Buren Township, Pulaski County, >Indiana, show the Benjamin SKILLEN, Jacob STRALHEIM, and Jacob FINK on >neighboring farms in the order I have listed them. I also found land records >in Indiana that indicate both Benjamin SKILLEN and Jacob STRALHEIM migrated >from Shelby County, Ohio. > >To Jacob FINK and Mary SKILLEN were born: >Florence C. FINK b. c. 24 August 1853 [death record says 1854] >Sarah Lavina FINK, b. c. 21 January 1855 >Eli W. Fink, b. 6 Nov. 1856 > >Jacob FINK died 4 May 1856 [two days after consulting two doctors in >Logansport, Indiana, regarding himself and the children as reflected by >receipts in the Probate Record of Jacob FINK, who died intestate]. It was >the receipt in the Probate Record for Jacob's tombstone that gave me Jacob's >birth and death dates [as well as Catharine's death date which was written in >pencil on the back of the receipt and too light to Xerox] with the >instructions to deliver the tombstone to Logansport. Jacob is buried in the >WOOLEY plot with Catharine; and Mary was pregnant with Eli. > >According to the Guardianship Records in Pulaski County, Indiana, the FINK >children from the marriage with Catharine were either indentured or >apprenticed. Elnora might have had it a bit easier than her siblings as she >was indentured to Van BURTON of Pulaski County. Van's wife Abigail was a >sister of Catharine's. The reference to Elnora in the report to the Court in >May 1860 by the children's guardian [William S. SPENCER] is the only one that >DOES NOT say how old she is nor the age she is to be freed of the indenture. > > >William SPENCER was a Farmer (rather wealthy in land and personal property -- >according to the Census Records) in Boone Township, Cass County, Indiana. I >had come across his name many times before in estate records of various >relatives of mine; he managed to get himself appointed to be Administrator of >the Estates of men like Jacob FINK who died intestate. The Final Accounting >always read the same. After the listing of the personal property of the >deceased which included, i.e., the chickens, two milk cows, one hog, one >bedstead, 4 comforters, one table and five chairs, dishes, pans, chamber pot, >laundry tub, etc., "the widow waives her right to the personal property of >the deceased in order to pay my administration fees of the Estate of . . ." > As you can see, everything she needed to survive was taken and she "did not >have a pot to . . . in". > >The Widow FINK had had dealings with Mr. SPENCER before with regard to Jacob >STRALHEIM's estate. However, Mr. SPENCER did not have as free a hand in that >matter; he was one of five men appointed as administrator AND one of the >other four was Mary's father. Mary was a little older, and I'm sure had >observed Mr. SPENCER's dealings. On 3 February 1858, the Widow FINK married >William S. SPENCER; I believe to preserve her children's inheritance. > >I don't believe (although, I can't recall for certain) that Elnora FINK >married in Cass County, Indiana. You might check the marriage records for >Pulaski County. If you don't find her there, try White County; that area of >Pulaski County is close enough to White. > >Oh yes, Florence FINK is my great-grandmother. It was thru the Funeral Home >Extracts of Cass County that I discovered her parentage and Mary SKILLEN's >marriages. > >BTW, where are you in Indiana? > >Dusti (misplaced Hoosier in Boston Mass) > > >============================== >Join the RootsWeb WorldConnect Project: >Linking the world, one GEDCOM at a time. >http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/ > >

Thank you so much! ----- Original Message ----- From: Joe & Laura Schmidt (by way of Gene Philips <genephillips@usa.net>) <DigMyPast@email.msn.com> To: <FINK-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, June 03, 2000 2:41 PM Subject: [FINK] {not a subscriber} Jacob Fink lived in Somerset Co, PA in > Laura, I've forwarded your email to the list. I think you have your Reply > to: set to DigMyPast@email.msn.com and you subscribed as DigMyPast@msn.com > This causes your mail to bounce to me as {not a subscriber} I have fixed it > at this end so you won't have to change any of your settings and your > messages will be posted. > > Gene Phillips > List Manager > > -------------------------------Redirected > Message----------------------------------------- > > Looking for ancestor, descendants, and any information on the below family: > Descendants of Jacob Fink > > > > > Generation No. 1 > > > 1. JACOB1 FINK He married Unknown. > > > Children of JACOB FINK and Unknown are: > > 2. i. KATHERINE2 FINK, b. 1817; d. December 26, 1863. > > 3. ii. DEBORAH FINK. > > > > Generation No. 2 > > > 2. KATHERINE2 FINK (JACOB1) was born 1817, and died December 26, 1863. She > married ISRAEL SHOEMAKER Abt. 1833. He was born 1811, and died April 11, > 1872. > > More About ISRAEL SHOEMAKER and KATHERINE FINK: > > Marriage: Abt. 1833 > > > Children of KATHERINE FINK and ISRAEL SHOEMAKER are: > > i. JACOB3 SHOEMAKER, b. 1834; m. JULIANN BITTNER. > > ii. MARY SOPHIA SHOEMAKER, b. October 06, 1836; d. April 18, 1914; m. PETER > WEIMER; b. January 04, 1832; d. October 29, 1913. > > iii. ELIZABETH SHOEMAKER, b. 1838. > > iv. HANNAH SHOEMAKER, b. 1841. > > v. SARAH SHOEMAKER, b. June 02, 1843; d. September 22, 1923; m. JACOB H > MARTZ, March 17, 1864, Reformed Church, Wellersburg, Somerset Co, PA; b. > November 05, 1840; d. August 22, 1924. > > More About JACOB MARTZ and SARAH SHOEMAKER: > > Marriage: March 17, 1864, Reformed Church, Wellersburg, Somerset Co, PA > > vi. JULIANNA SHOEMAKER, b. 1845; d. February 23, 1925; m. CHARLES FREDERICK > JR RAUPACH, December 19, 1861, Southampton Twp, Somerset Co, PA; b. August > 07, 1837, Schlesien, Germany; d. December 20, 1928. > > More About CHARLES RAUPACH and JULIANNA SHOEMAKER: > > Marriage: December 19, 1861, Southampton Twp, Somerset Co, PA > > vii. CATHARINA SHOEMAKER, b. 1846; d. 1863. > > viii. WILLIAM HENRY SHOEMAKER, b. April 13, 1847; d. September 11, 1897, > Finks Cemetery, Somerset Co, PA. > > ix. DEBORA ELMIRA SHOEMAKER, b. June 11, 1849; m. JOHN REEDY. > > x. JOHN A SHOEMAKER, b. 1852. > > xi. PETER D SHOEMAKER, b. July 14, 1854; d. February 03, 1915; m. SARAH > SUSAN MARTZ, June 06, 1878, Somerset Co, PA; b. January 28, 1858; d. March > 25, 1922. > > More About PETER SHOEMAKER and SARAH MARTZ: > > Marriage: June 06, 1878, Somerset Co, PA > > xii. INFANT SHOEMAKER, b. 1855; d. September 29, 1855, Funks. > > xiii. SAMUEL ISRAEL SHOEMAKER, b. October 11, 1857. > > 3. DEBORAH2 FINK (JACOB1) She married SAMUEL ELRICK. He was born Abt. 1821. > > > Child of DEBORAH FINK and SAMUEL ELRICK is: > > i. OBADIAH3 ELRICK, m. ANNA REBECCA HORLACHER; b. Frankfort, Indiana. > > Laura > > DigMyPast@msn.com > > > > ============================== > The RootsWeb WorldConnect Project: > Tens of millions of individuals... and counting. > http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/ > >

Marcie, Jacob FINK (b. 7 Aug 1819) whose marriage on 10 Aug 1843 to Catharine WOOLEY (b. about 30 Oct 1821 daughter of Hugh WOOLEY and his wife Hannah) is recorded in Marion County, OH. 1850 Census, Van Buren Twp, Pulaski Co., IN Jacob Fink, 29, Value of Real Estate $600, bp: PA Catharine Fink, 27, bp: NY Mary Emily Fink, 6, bp: OH Maria Louisa Fink, 4, bp: OH Minerva Elnora Fink, 3, bp: OH Sarah Alice Fink, 1, bp: IN Another child was born: Jacob Alonzo Fink c Dec 1851 although referred to as Jacob Lorenzo Fink in the guardianship files of the heirs of Jacob Fink. Catharine WOOLEY Fink died 23 December 1851 [I'd guess from child birth] and is buried in the WOOLEY plot in the Kline Cemetery, Royal Center, Boone Township, Cass County, Indiana. Jacob FINK then married on 28 March 1852 Mary SKILLEN (b 16 Dec 1827 in OH) the widow of Jacob STRALHEIM and the daughter of Benjamin C. SKILLEN. After all, Jacob did have a house full of children, one of which was a three month old baby. The 1850 Census Record for Van Buren Township, Pulaski County, Indiana, show the Benjamin SKILLEN, Jacob STRALHEIM, and Jacob FINK on neighboring farms in the order I have listed them. I also found land records in Indiana that indicate both Benjamin SKILLEN and Jacob STRALHEIM migrated from Shelby County, Ohio. To Jacob FINK and Mary SKILLEN were born: Florence C. FINK b. c. 24 August 1853 [death record says 1854] Sarah Lavina FINK, b. c. 21 January 1855 Eli W. Fink, b. 6 Nov. 1856 Jacob FINK died 4 May 1856 [two days after consulting two doctors in Logansport, Indiana, regarding himself and the children as reflected by receipts in the Probate Record of Jacob FINK, who died intestate]. It was the receipt in the Probate Record for Jacob's tombstone that gave me Jacob's birth and death dates [as well as Catharine's death date which was written in pencil on the back of the receipt and too light to Xerox] with the instructions to deliver the tombstone to Logansport. Jacob is buried in the WOOLEY plot with Catharine; and Mary was pregnant with Eli. According to the Guardianship Records in Pulaski County, Indiana, the FINK children from the marriage with Catharine were either indentured or apprenticed. Elnora might have had it a bit easier than her siblings as she was indentured to Van BURTON of Pulaski County. Van's wife Abigail was a sister of Catharine's. The reference to Elnora in the report to the Court in May 1860 by the children's guardian [William S. SPENCER] is the only one that DOES NOT say how old she is nor the age she is to be freed of the indenture. William SPENCER was a Farmer (rather wealthy in land and personal property -- according to the Census Records) in Boone Township, Cass County, Indiana. I had come across his name many times before in estate records of various relatives of mine; he managed to get himself appointed to be Administrator of the Estates of men like Jacob FINK who died intestate. The Final Accounting always read the same. After the listing of the personal property of the deceased which included, i.e., the chickens, two milk cows, one hog, one bedstead, 4 comforters, one table and five chairs, dishes, pans, chamber pot, laundry tub, etc., "the widow waives her right to the personal property of the deceased in order to pay my administration fees of the Estate of . . ." As you can see, everything she needed to survive was taken and she "did not have a pot to . . . in". The Widow FINK had had dealings with Mr. SPENCER before with regard to Jacob STRALHEIM's estate. However, Mr. SPENCER did not have as free a hand in that matter; he was one of five men appointed as administrator AND one of the other four was Mary's father. Mary was a little older, and I'm sure had observed Mr. SPENCER's dealings. On 3 February 1858, the Widow FINK married William S. SPENCER; I believe to preserve her children's inheritance. I don't believe (although, I can't recall for certain) that Elnora FINK married in Cass County, Indiana. You might check the marriage records for Pulaski County. If you don't find her there, try White County; that area of Pulaski County is close enough to White. Oh yes, Florence FINK is my great-grandmother. It was thru the Funeral Home Extracts of Cass County that I discovered her parentage and Mary SKILLEN's marriages. BTW, where are you in Indiana? Dusti (misplaced Hoosier in Boston Mass)

Dave, Another place you might consider checking is the Jewish Genealogy Society. I have attended some of their meetings here in Boston and HAVE ALWAYS learned something new. For instance, many of the customs of Eastern European Jews are not Jewish customs but of the European culture in which the lived. Many considered the German Jews very arrogant. This was due to the fact that the German states REQUIRED EVERYONE to be educated, while education of Jews in most of the other European countries was illegal. And another thing to consider: Is/was there a Jewish newspaper in Detroit when Moses died [or married]? I found a lot of good detail information in the one in Boston. Dusti