In Cancelled land books this information found Patrick CARMODY replace a John CARMODY between 1853 Further information shows land passing to Cornelius Carmody between 1862-1891 then to Kate CARMODY 1903-1916 This is all in Co. Kerry Barony of Trughanacy ( looks like), parish of Ballincusland, Electrol Dist of Kilmurry ( no information after that) What I am trying to find is families of the land holders or whoever leased the land, named CARMODY. To make a match to a Denis CARMODY, and his son John. How do I investigate further as to the familes, (wives and childrens names) that owned the land? Is there a 1841 thru 1861 census that I could check for the name in Castleisland parish, and in Ballincuslane. Would all the family, wife and children be shown on the census? Would these be on a fisch I could check thru the FHC? I am hoping for possible answers to this puzzle before my trip to Ireland in Sep't. I'd like to get as much together as possible or at least know where to look when I get there for further information. A most elusive family name -since it is commonly found in Clare. BUT this family I am searching ( my Gfather) supposedly in Cork in 1865 for his birth. This info accordding to Gfathers Army pension papers and all I have to go on. I cannot ask any family members they are all dead-have been since 1926, at least the only onses who would have the answers. This is ALL the documentation I have been able to find going back this far. Finally found my Gmother after 34 years-still working on Grandpa. Gfather, John Carmody son of (GGfathr ), Denis CARMODY & Mary McEvoy supposedly born in Liscarroll, however checking parish church there says no information and no one with that name. Suggestions please I am running out of time. Thank you Pat mystarz@mindspring.com

Irish Census fragments 1821 Census Fragments This census, took place on May 28th 1821. Almost all of the original returns were destroyed in 1922, with only a Few volumes surviving for parts of Counties Cavan, Fermanagh, Galway, Meath And Offaly (King's County). 1831 Census Fragments Very little of this survives, with most of the remaining fragments relating to Co. Derry. 1841 Census Fragments Only one set of original returns survived 1922, that for the parish of Killeshandra in Co.Cavan. There are, however, a number of transcripts of The original returns because the returns from 1841 & 1851 were used in the twentieth century as proof of age when the Old Age Pension was introduced. The most significant collections are the Walsh-Kelly notebooks, which Also abstract parts of the 1821, 1831 and 1851 returns and relate particularly to south Kilkenny, and the Thrift Abstracts in the National Archives. 1851 Census Fragments Most of the surviving returns relate to parishes in Co. Antrim and a little Co Fermanagh 1861 & 1871 Census Fragments Virtually nothing survives. The only transcripts are contained in the Catholic registers of Enniscorthy, Co.Wexford, (1861), and Drumcondra and Loughbraclen, Co. Meath (1871). 1901 and 1911 are complete Census Ellen Pat Lewis wrote: > > In Cancelled land books this information found > Patrick CARMODY replace a John CARMODY between 1853 > Further information shows land passing to Cornelius Carmody between > 1862-1891 > then to Kate CARMODY 1903-1916 > This is all in Co. Kerry Barony of Trughanacy ( looks like), parish of > Ballincusland, Electrol Dist of Kilmurry > ( no information after that) > > What I am trying to find is families of the land holders or whoever > leased the land, named CARMODY. To make a match to a Denis CARMODY, and > his son John. > How do I investigate further as to the familes, (wives and childrens > names) that owned the land? > > Is there a 1841 thru 1861 census that I could check for the name in > Castleisland parish, and in Ballincuslane. Would all the family, wife > and children be shown on the census? > Would these be on a fisch I could check thru the FHC? > > I am hoping for possible answers to this puzzle before my trip to > Ireland in Sep't. I'd like to get as much together as possible or at > least know where to look when I get there for further information. A > most elusive family name -since it is commonly found in Clare. BUT this > family I am searching ( my Gfather) supposedly in Cork in 1865 for his > birth. This info accordding to Gfathers Army pension papers and all I > have to go on. > I cannot ask any family members they are all dead-have been since 1926, > at least the only onses who would have the answers. This is ALL the > documentation I have been able to find going back this far. Finally > found my Gmother after 34 years-still working on Grandpa. > > Gfather, John Carmody son of > (GGfathr ), Denis CARMODY & Mary McEvoy > supposedly born in Liscarroll, however checking parish church there says > no information and no one with that name. > Suggestions please I am running out of time. > Thank you > > Pat > mystarz@mindspring.com > > ==== SHAMROCK Mailing List ==== > ** To find a location in Ireland, use > the IreAtlas Townland Database > http://www.seanruad.com and/or > Placename Search > http://www.ireland.com/ancestor/place > name.index.cfm ** Pat Lewis wrote: > > In Cancelled land books this information found > Patrick CARMODY replace a John CARMODY between 1853 > Further information shows land passing to Cornelius Carmody between > 1862-1891 > then to Kate CARMODY 1903-1916 > This is all in Co. Kerry Barony of Trughanacy ( looks like), parish of > Ballincusland, Electrol Dist of Kilmurry > ( no information after that) > > What I am trying to find is families of the land holders or whoever > leased the land, named CARMODY. To make a match to a Denis CARMODY, and > his son John. > How do I investigate further as to the familes, (wives and childrens > names) that owned the land? > > Is there a 1841 thru 1861 census that I could check for the name in > Castleisland parish, and in Ballincuslane. Would all the family, wife > and children be shown on the census? > Would these be on a fisch I could check thru the FHC? > > I am hoping for possible answers to this puzzle before my trip to > Ireland in Sep't. I'd like to get as much together as possible or at > least know where to look when I get there for further information. A > most elusive family name -since it is commonly found in Clare. BUT this > family I am searching ( my Gfather) supposedly in Cork in 1865 for his > birth. This info accordding to Gfathers Army pension papers and all I > have to go on. > I cannot ask any family members they are all dead-have been since 1926, > at least the only onses who would have the answers. This is ALL the > documentation I have been able to find going back this far. Finally > found my Gmother after 34 years-still working on Grandpa. > > Gfather, John Carmody son of > (GGfathr ), Denis CARMODY & Mary McEvoy > supposedly born in Liscarroll, however checking parish church there says > no information and no one with that name. > Suggestions please I am running out of time. > Thank you > > Pat > mystarz@mindspring.com > > ==== FIANNA Mailing List ==== > Need some help getting started with irc (INTERNET RELAY CHAT)? > Try: http://home.flash.net/~gen4m/

Ellen: Why are all the census records only fragments? Did no one collect and preserve them? This must make Irish research nigh on impossible!! Eileen Herkes > Irish Census fragments > 1821 Census Fragments > This census, took place on May 28th 1821. > Almost all of the original returns were destroyed in 1922, with only a > Few volumes surviving for parts of Counties Cavan, Fermanagh, Galway, > Meath > And Offaly (King's County).

Eileen, due to the violent and turbulent history of Ireland, many returns were destroyed. There were complete censuses taken, but many of them, like the 1821 returns were destroyed at the Four Courts explosion in 1922. So, just fragments remain for parts of Cavan, Galway, Kings County and Meath. The 1831 census returns too were destroyed in that June of 1922. I think there are some returns left for Londerry from that one. Of the 1841 census, you can access some parts of the Killeshandra Parish return. The 1861 and 1871 returns were wantonly destroyed by government order. The Census returns were destroyed for 1881 and 1891 also by government order due to the lack of paper shortages during WWI. Realizing the need to replace any kind of record the GRO released the 1901 and 1911 returns. The next census was conducted in 1926, the first one taken for the Irish Free State after WWI.......but the privacy act is in force and those records won't be released until 2026. ----- Original Message ----- From: Eileen@j51.com <eileen@j51.com> To: <FIANNA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2000 9:12 AM Subject: Re: [FIANNA-L] Where do I go from here? > Ellen: > > Why are all the census records only fragments? Did no one collect and > preserve them? This must make Irish research nigh on impossible!! > > Eileen Herkes > > > > Irish Census fragments > > 1821 Census Fragments > > This census, took place on May 28th 1821. > > Almost all of the original returns were destroyed in 1922, with only a > > Few volumes surviving for parts of Counties Cavan, Fermanagh, Galway, > > Meath > > And Offaly (King's County). > > > > ==== FIANNA Mailing List ==== > Irish Researchers helping Irish Researchers > Irish research in the United States and in Ireland! > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~fianna/ ***Award Winner*** Thanks to Chirho > http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Meadows/4404/ >

Ellen: Many thanks for taking the time to explain. Eileen > Eileen, due to the violent and turbulent history of Ireland, many returns > were destroyed. There were complete censuses taken, but many of them, like > the 1821 returns were destroyed at the Four Courts explosion in 1922. So,

You had a check done of church records, & they said no family of that name. Is it possible, that the family was there, but belonged to some other church, or none ? If the one you checked was RC, maybe they were C of Irl., Huguenot or ??? Phil pvc@vancamp.org ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pat Lewis" < Subject: Where do I go from here? *****EDITED***** > Would these be on a fisch I could check thru the FHC? > BUT this family I am searching ( my Gfather) supposedly in Cork in 1865 for his > birth. This info accordding to Gfathers Army pension papers and all I have to go on. Suggestions please I am running out of time. > Thank you > > Pat > mystarz@mindspring.com