A Chairdre, According to information I obtained on the GenIre list the Presbyterian Church in Ireland has both an eamil and a web address. I am posting this to the list in case it would be helpful to some of the Orangemen. (Big Grin) Seriously though I am delighted that we Fennidi don't indulge in tiresome flames like some members of other irish lists!! http://www.presbyterianireland.org/ Presbyterian Church in Ireland info@presbyterianireland.org email address oppossum