Dear Robin (and anybody else), It just occurred to me that I didn't actually answer your question. Understand I am not the leader of this group hla is. But I assume she wants it to be public since as I said I found out about it on the Genire list. Actually I am sending this msg fairly late so I am hoping that hla herself or flipper or sometimes has contacted you with the details. The meeting is at IIGS on Mondays (today) at 3:00 CST. It is an IRC chat so you do have to know how to use an Intenet Relay Chat program like mIRC or PIRCH or IRCLE for macs. You may already know this, but please don't be offended if you do. I just realized last night that I have been taking too much for granted, and have been neglecting some ppl. I will close this letter and start constructing another one... I do hope that you Robin will see this letter in time to make it to the chat. Or alternatively that somebody else sent you the information you were asking for! Gail in MO aka O'Possum aka Rig III