I hope I'm not to late in responding here, but I too would be interested in taking the on-line classes for certification. Thanks. Kay B.

Yes - I too would be interested in a certification class. Most of my friends think I'm "certifyable" anyway (looking for dead peoiple, etc). Pat

Come on along!!! At 07:54 AM 12/14/97 -0600, dhanson@ideaschool.org wrote: This is a little 'pre-emptive' considering the classes aren't online yet, however, starting the 1st of February there will be a 12 month training course for genealogists to become 'registered genealogists'. Applications will be accepted starting now until the end of January! NOTE! ALL APPLICANTS WILL BE ACCEPTED! NO ONE WILL BE TURNED DOWN! They may be dropped out if they mis-behave but everyone will be given the opportunity to participate and learn. The course will contain 12 classes, 1 per month, and there will be 3 classes a week, with all material online with chat sessions available through MIRC twice a week at assigned times. You can do the classes and submit your assignments and work at YOUR OWN PACE and you DO NOT HAVE to attend the chat sessions if it's inconvenient. However, you must do the work, turn in your assignments and pass by 80% to qualify for graduation. Also, once a monthly class is over, the class will reopen for registration for 'new' genealogists so there will always be a continuing class. That way if you fall behind you can go back with the next group if necessary. Each class will be taught by an accredited or certified genealogist with teaching credentials. (Still have to find a few helpers so please volunteer if you feel qualified!) Each class will cost $50 which covers the time and effort by the teachers to put the classes together, be online for chat sessions and to correct class assignments and homework. This is comparable to other Junior College courses and less than many! Payment plans and arrangments may be made if necessary. If you drop behind, you DO NOT have to repay for the class, just for each new one. The first eight classes will be: 1. Beginning Research and Methodology 2. Vital Records 3. Census 4. Probates and the Court System 5. Paleography 6. Maps and the Importance of Political and Physical Boundaries 7. Emigration records and Migration Patterns 8. Church and cemetery Records They will be more involved than the free online classes and will require homework (you may use your own lines to do research on while you're doing this.) They will also include subjects such as LDS records available for each of these areas and how to use them, find them, and interpret them. The last four classes will be regional classes in the area you want to specialize in, taught by people in those areas. You will also be asked to attend a seminar (of your choice and approved by us) either online or in person about those areas. We'll find them for you if necessary! I'll post a list of specialty areas for you in a little bit. 9. Regional History of the area they choose 10.Regional Records for the area they choose (Part 1 1750 - present) 11.Regional Records for the area they choose (Part 2 - pre 1750) 12.Reporting and Accountability There will be a test at the end of each class, and at the end of the year long course covering all the areas and speciality classes. You must pass them by 80%. By the time you're done, you will have fulfilled the same requirements as an accredited genealogist who takes a test in SLC or a certified genealogist certified by the Board of the National Genealogical Society. Once you have finished the course you will be added to a "Registry of Professional Genealogists" and given a diploma from the Iowa Digital Education Association, which is an accredited online distance education school in the state of Iowa and affiliated with the Univ. of Iowa. The Registry will be available on line for people to find you, and will include as a professional courtesy, accredited and certifed genealogists who apply for registration, and professionals who (although not backed by a piece of paper) have many, many years of experience and it would be redundant for them to take a course of instruction. If a person misbehaves, has bad reports from clients, or whatever, it will be reviewed by a board and then they will either be removed from the registry or put on probation. At the moment, that board doesn't exist, will need to be elected later and will need to draw up their own list of requirements, etc. But until someone misbehaves, lets not worry about it! :) So, guys! Registration is open! Send your requests for registration to dhanson@ideaschool.org Yes, that's my official email but please don't abuse it! I own the ISP! :) Forward this message to all you think can use it. Diana Hanson :) Accredited Genealogist Ireland Gen Web Host/IrelandGenweb-L Co-Host of the World Gen Web Project/WorldGenWeb-L Muscatine, Decatur, Tama, and Blackhawk County Iowa Gen Web Host ********************************************** What good is magic if it can't save a unicorn? ********************************************** http://www.ideaschool.org/courses/general/gen208.htm Free OnLine Genealogy Class for Ireland Research ==== IrelandGenWeb Mailing List ==== TO UNSUB FROM LIST - send to: IrelandGenWeb-L-REQUEST@rootsweb.com TO UNSUB FROM DIGEST - send to: IrelandGenWeb-D-REQUEST@rootsweb.com Leave Subject Line Blank * Put Only: UNSUBSCRIBE in body of message .Anne Boyes boyes@gardener.com http://www.geocities.com/~hoseahouse/genealogy/

I would be interested in such a thing! Deborah Donegan info@buyersmarketplace.com

I read possums discussion of Myra's Column on Dr. Ryan's "NEW" Book IRISH RECORDS SOURCES FOR FAMILY AND LOCAL HISTORY. I have Dr. Ryan's book of the same title published 1988 by Ancestory, Inc. Flyleaf Press. I was very disappoined in that book. My ancestors were from Dublin, County Dublin and a few from County Wexford. You can image my surprise when I turned to the Dublin Section and under Church Records it said: Church of Ireland Records Due to the Scope of these Records they were not included here. I wrote Dr. Ryan and he sent me another book entitled TRACING YOUR DUBLIN ANCESTORS for which he sent me a Bill for $19.95. I believe the firts book was misleading to say Irish Records and then leave out Dublin. The first book was good for the other areas of Ireland. Somehow I just felt that it was not quite truthful. Perhaps this lates edition will include all of Ireland. Let the Buyer Beware. WmTempCo@aol.com

Lisa, In case you have deleted your email, I am pasting a copy of a letter Dianna sent to this list several days ago to this email. On December 10 Dianna wrote: Okay guys, I'll ask you all first since I KNOW you'll give me honest feedback without hurting my feeling 'too' much! :) A lot of people have expressed the desire to become 'accredited' or 'certified' genealogiest. However to become accredited you have to take a test, physically in Salt Lake City and it helps to be Mormon. To become certified there is a process through the National Genealogical Society. Would there be an interest (from those who wish to become certified) in paying for a course of study (small cost not big cost!) in beginning and regional genealogy with classes on metholody, reporting, paleography and such with requirements for documented research similar to the acreditation standards through an online school such as Ideaschool? If I can get enough 'ayes' instead of 'nays' I'll try to put it together, search out some good teachers and see what we can pull together. Give me your feedback please? -- -- Diana Hanson :) Accredited Genealogist Ireland Gen Web Host/IrelandGenweb-L Host of the World Gen Web Project/WorldGenWeb-L Muscatine, Decatur, Tama, and Blackhawk County Iowa Gen Web Host ********************************************** What good is magic if it can't save a unicorn? ********************************************** http://www.ideaschool.org/courses/general/gen208.htm Free OnLine Genealogy Class for Ireland Research

Hi Fennnidi, My email problems are supposedly fixed, but we still aren't getting a lot of mail in so don't send anything terribly important to me yet. DH says we are getting mail (46 msgs), but they must all be to him. :) I am not getting mail because I think I have been thrown off every list I belong to except for Fianna. I have even been thrown off lists that I have belonged to for over a year and a half without an interruption. Our ISP(a very good one I think) has had a few problems in the past, but nothing like this. List owners seem to vary in the amount of bounced mail they are willing to eat (don't blame them). Well Scarlett O'Possum wil deal with those problems tomorrow. :) In the meantime I am still getting my Ancestry newsletter. (it only comes once a day so Ancestry apparently doesn't choke on the returns and unsub you right off). Anyway last nights newsletter had a review by Myra Gormley of a new Irish records book which is apparently very large and comprehensive (also pricey of course). The possum has pretty well tapped out Santa Claus (the scannner and inkjet were our presents to each other this year). Also the possum has ordered herself a Christmas present (an excellent way to get just waht you want hehehe), a large and beautiful book Long Gone (and long out of print) currently being reprinted by the Holt County Historical Society ($100), but I have included Myra's review in case some of the Fennidi want to put it on their Xmas lists. possum Shaking Your Family Tree By Myra Vanderpool Gormley, C.G. Irish Links in the Emerald Isle ``Initiative is an important ingredient in finding Irish roots, particularly where family details are sparse,'' says James G. Ryan, Ph.D., an Irish research expert. Ryan is currently head of BioResearch Ireland, Ireland's biotechnology development program, as well as the genealogy columnist for ``Irish America'' magazine and author of several books on Irish research. His latest work -- ``Irish Records: Sources for Family and Local History'' -- is a huge book (668 pages), with a comprehensive listing of the genealogical record sources for each county in Ireland. ``Once the normal land and church record sources have been consulted, imaginative use of local historical accounts can produce further information about the family and its circumstances,'' Ryan advises. An example of a unique Irish record is one created during the late 18th century, when the linen board attempted to encourage the growth of flax in Ireland. One innovative mechanism was to offer a free spinning wheel for every acre of flax planted in the year 1796. The ``1796 Spinning Wheel Premiums'' is a list of those who received spinning wheels, and gives the name and parish of residence of more than 52,000 persons. It is particularly useful for northern Irish counties, where the linen industry was strongest, but includes most counties. For the period of greatest interest to American family historians researching their Irish roots, the late 18th and early- to middle- 19th centuries, Irish family records are sparse. During this period, most of the Irish population (and particularly those who emigrated) lived as small tenant farmers or laborers, and these activities required few written records. As a result, every shred of information can be valuable to a genealogist. It is not uncommon for researchers tracing an Irish line to know the name of the place of origin of their ancestor and to be unable to find it listed in any guide. This may be because the name was written down incorrectly or remembered from the pronunciation used by an ancestor who may have been illiterate, Irish-speaking or both. Some imagination is often necessary to translate these names so the localities can be identified. The majority of Irish place names, particularly town names, are derived from the Gaelic language. Among the most common components of these names are: Bally- (town), -more (big) or -beg (small). Irish family names are mainly derived from Gaelic and Norman names, and while English and Scottish names are also common, particularly in the northern counties of Ireland, they also occur elsewhere in the country. Additionally, Huguenot, Palatine and Jewish surnames are found in Ireland, and to further complicate the situation, many English surnames were adopted by Irish families during the 17th and 18th centuries. ``Irish Records'' explains in depth the types of records available, and under each Irish county is provided a history of that locality and information about its census and church records, commercial and social directories, gravestone inscriptions, newspapers, family histories, wills, administrations, marriage licenses, research sources and services and miscellaneous sources. The book contains many illustrations and excellent maps of each county. Anyone serious about searching their Irish families will want this outstanding reference. It is available ($54.95 postpaid) from Ancestry, PO Box 990, Orem, UT 84059; (800) ANCESTRY or on the Web at: http://www.ancestry.com Shaking Your Family Tree By Myra Vanderpool Gormley, C.G. t.

Fian 1, Chirho, and SLH, Thank you Fran for your spectacular work. Dianna, of Fian 1 and all our leaders, the great job on the new Fian Site, deserves much praise. It's beauteous! :) I'm so proud of all of you. Chirho and SLH, you have been our guides, in truth. We have all been extremely fortunate. The IRCathon was most helpful to me. All the 'teachers' spent a great many hours to help us 'newbies' get in the groove. There is much more to learn, but without your help and exhausting time, we could not have accomplished so much. Thank you, Fennidi! Possum has helped me keep my toes in there. I hope to be more organized next time. Thank you Possum. Please everyone, check it out. http://www.geocities.com/~hoseahouse/fianna/start.html Fondest regards, Joanna ----------

Hi guys, As I have already written to Joanna, the Fian 1 project which is up is flp's project. Take a bow Fran you did an excellent job. Hopefully some of the rest of Fian 1's projects will be completed soon, but as I said except for sending suggesting some material and links I can't claim any credit, Fran did this herself. However, she did mention that Dianna also helped with amaterials so thanks to Dianna from Fian 1. But as I said the credit goes to Fran. Also of course to chirho for actually getting the project up. We all owe chirho since she is doing all the coding for the project as well as playing a big part in setting up the IRCathon. Naturally we don't want to forget our Rigfennid SLH. Bye for Now O'Possum

Anne, I have just checked out the wonderful Irish Research site. Thanks for your great help. Ed's maps and other pages are so beautiful. Gail's intro is perfect. The only concern I have is printing out the light yellow script on the dark wallpaper on the Administrative Divisions and Census pages. The colors are great, but the yellow cannot be seen. I'm very anxious to see the final product. Thank you again. The card sent to the Rig is very clever. Thank you for that. I'm hopeful to be able to send one to a friend very soon. Fondest regards, Joanna ----------

Hi everybody, I am still having problems with my email and I should be considered in communicado until they are solved. O'Possum the Lost (Gail in MO)

If you personally receive the information you requested, please either post this info, or could you please provide it to me directly. I am interested as well. Thank you. Deborah Donegan info@buyersmarketplace.com

Dianna, I would be most interested in taking genealogy classes leading to certification. Gail Ryan Roorda

Have some nice mulled cider and freshly baked cookies (virtual, of course) and take a look at: http://www.bluemountain.com/cards/box4253/allm2237wyr9593.html Peace, chirho Anne Boyes boyes@gardener.com http://www.geocities.com/~hoseahouse/genealogy/

Hi Georgene and Everyone, From one seeker to another, it is good to hear from you. Thanks for the new pages. Everything is of value. Glad you enjoyed our get together. So did I. I made it to #Fian via mIRC. One BIG miracle. Fondest regards, Joanna ----------

Well ...I blew it again. here is the address for "new" Welsh Page. <http://www.angelfire.com/ut/humceltic/welsh.html>

> Hi Chirho and Srudy Gangs; First I want to thank the gang for putting up with my tucking in here and there. Since I returned half way thru the course I have really been in left field the last half.I think I am gaining ground after my radiation. Still not thinking as swift as I would like but hey ...I'm still here. My contribution is as an independent researching "The Welsh & Irish settlers of Pennsylvania. I have put up two pages that might benefit some one. They are Celtic oriented. The first is Irish research (off line) as related to call numbers in the Familly History Center-SLC. You should be able to get some of them at your local LDS Family History Center on micro-film. Irish: <http://www.angelfire.com/id/deeproots/Celtic1.html> The second page (new yesterday),I have posted some back ground on the life and times of the Welsh Quakers in Montgomeryshire, Wales, before their removal to Pennsylvania. I will have another link to this page with off line books that have been helpful to me as I have researched our family. That will be added later. I know ...I am slow, but love sharing. Welsh: <http://www.angelfire.com/id/deeproots/Celtic1.html> Once again, I must appolagize for the interruption I cause at the beginning of the meeting last PM. I just have so much to learn yet. Shareing time with you during this class 33 time has been special. (That's from a Grandmother Genealogist). Cheers & Blessings, Georgene (echos)

This appeared on another list: Possum > > 'Twas the night before Christmas when all through the house > > Not a creature was stirring, not even my spouse. > > The dining room table with clutter was spread > > with pedigree charts and with letters which said... > > "Too bad about the data for which you wrote > > Sank in a storm on an ill-fated boat." > > Stacks of old copies of wills and the such > > were proof that my work had become much too much. > > Our children were nestled all snug in their beds, > > While visions of sugarplums danced in their heads. > > And I at my table was ready to drop > > From work on my album with photos to crop. > > Christmas was here, and of such was my lot > > That presents and goodies and toys I'd forgot. > > Had I not been so busy with grandparents' wills, > > I'd not have forgotten to shop for such thrills. > > While others had bought gifts that would bring Christmas cheer, > > I'd spent my time researching those birth dates and years. > > While I was thus musing about my sad plight, > > A strange noise on the lawn gave me such a great fright. > > Away to the window I flew in a flash, > > Tore open the drapes and I yanked up the sash. > > When what to my wondering eyes should appear, > > But an overstuffed sleight and eight small reindeer. > > Up to the housetop the reindeer they flew, > > With a sleigh full of toys, and 'ole Santa Claus, too. > > And then in a twinkle, I heard on the roof > > The prancing and pawing of thirty-two hoofs. > > The TV antenna was no match for their horns, > > And look at our roof with hoof-prints adorned. > > As I drew in my head, and bumped it on the sash, > > Down the cold chimney fell Santa--KER-RASH! > > "Dear" Santa had some for the roof in a wreck, > > And tracked soot on the carpet (I could wring his short neck!). > > Spotting my face, good old Santa could see > > I had no Christmas spirit you'd have to agree. > > He spoke not a word, but went straight to his work > > And filled all the stockings (I felt like a jerk). > > Here was Santa, who'd brought us such gladness and joy; > > When I'd been too busy for even one toy. > > He spied my research on the table all spread > > "A genealogist!" He cried! (My face was all red!) > > "Tonight I've met many like you," Santa grinned, > > As he pulled from his sack a large book he had penned. > > I gazed with amazement-the cover it read > > "Genealogy Lines for Which You have Plead." > > "I know what it's like as a genealogy bug," > > He said as he gave me a great Santa hug. > > While the elves make the sleigh full of toys I now carry, > > I do some research in the North Pole Library." > > "A special treat I am thus able to bring, > > To genealogy folks who can't find a thing. > > Now off you go to your bed for a rest, > > I'll clean up the house from this genealogy mess." > > As I climbed up the stairs full of gladness and glee, > > I looked back at Santa who'd brought much to me. > > While settling in bed, I heard Santa's clear whistle > > To his team, which then rose like the down of a thistle. > > And I heard him exclaim as he flew out of sight, > > "Family History is Fun! Merry Christmas! Goodnight!" >

(Some of you will receive two copies of this, please forgive!) Special Guest Speaker REMINDER !! Monday night 6 PST on irc.iigs.org port 6667 /join #Fian Please join us :) and bring your names you're researching and your brick walls. Peace. chirho Anne Boyes boyes@gardener.com http://www.geocities.com/~hoseahouse/genealogy/

http://www.web-trek.net/stern/christmas/12daygen.html Merry Christmas (a bit early ;) Anne Boyes boyes@gardener.com http://www.geocities.com/~hoseahouse/genealogy/