Hi, I have just bought the Tithe Defaulter's Index - Ireland - 1831 and found two of my ancestors. The indexes for Kilkenny and Tipperary have the largest number of defaulters. There are good representation for Limerick, Cork, Waterford, Louth and Wexford. Laois Meath Carlow Offaly Kerry have been combined. Each county includes: an introduction relating the history of the Tithe Defaulters, the Clergy Relief Act, the sworn Affidavits by the Clergy, and a comparison with the data from the 1831 census. The indexes provide the name, address and occupation and reference numbers to the original material. Although the Tithe Defaulters Index does not cover every county, it is a very useful research tool which, in view of the deficit of Irish material, will assist many thousands of local historians and genealogists. The URL for this site is http://www.alphalink.com.au/~datatree/index.htm Kick

At 12:28 PM 4/6/98 -0700, you wrote: >I have signed up for the Intermediate Genealogy class starting Monday on >VU, but there are a few things I don't understand. I need a mentor. > >1. It told me to download a Browser. Does this mean that AOL's browser >won't work? (I will be getting the class through my AOL account.) As far as I know, AOL's browser does work. > >2. There was a note about Chat in there somewhere that directed me to >download Chat software and then, with a note about how easy it was (!/!), > there were about 4 pages of scary-looking instructions. I haven't tried >yet. Would someone like to reassure me, or tell me I don't really need >to do this. You really DO need to do this! In order to attend classes, you should be able to use your browser to go to the java chat, unless you're in Windows 3.xx rather than Win95. But to get to Fianna Study Group meetings, assuming you're in the Fianna study group, you DO need IRC software. Most of us use mIRC. There are links to lots of places with instructions and explanations on http://www.geocities.com/~fiannag/find.html > >3. I have been subscribing to FIANNA because of the Irish information. >What exactly is Fianna? Is a venue for members of a previous VU class to >communicate? There seem to be notes about people getting together >elsewhere for sharing. Can someone clarify this for me. Cloudy started the Fianna-L so fennidi (explained at link below) could continue to communicate good sites, problems and successes, etc. chirho tends to try to keep everybody chuckling, so it sweetens the taste when she has to bark at folks to get busy and sign up for things! We've grown quite a bit beyond that, however, and hopefully more folks will do more genealogy on the list :) On the Fianna Hideaway site there is an explanation of who we are and how we came to be. http://www.geocities.com/~fiannag/ipig.html > >4. I have visited the Fianna webpage. Is the material there mostly the >result of the classwork of previous class members? Fianna: Irish History and Ancestry at http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Meadows/4404/ was our first effort. It's mainly links which we gathered as a project. JCowan put the whole thing into its current state. FIANNA Hideaway and Guide to Irish Research is the product of several additional groups. Yes, most of the material there represents projects done for Marthe's classes. The surname center was not, and some of the other pages, plus the counties were donated by one member. We're rather proud of it, and keep working on it :) > >Are there other questions I am too ignorant to ask that someone would >like to fill me in on? (excuse clump of dangling propositions) > Probably are more questions, time will tell! I'll send this to the list, so anyone else who's curious can see the answers :) Peace. chirho >Thanks for helping. > >Anne > > > > chirho@prodigy.net http://www.hoseahouse.org http://www.geocities.com/~hoseahouse/genealogy/index.html http://www.geocities.com/~fiannag/index.html

Joseph Mary Plunkett (1887-1916): born in Dublin; son of George Noble Count Plunkett; The Circle and the Sword (verse), 1911; edited the Irish Review, 1913-14; joined the IRB; Director of Operations of the Irish Volunteers, 1913; co-founded the Irish Theatre, 1914; helped Casement in attempts to secure German aid for a rising and reported to Clan na Gael on the progress of revolutionary preparations, 1915; member of the IRB Supreme Council and its Military Committee, and signatory to the Proclamation, 1916; married Grace Gifford, the artist, in Kilmainham on the eve of his execution, 4 May 1916. Collected Poems were published posthumously. Source: Foster, R.F., Modern Ireland 1600-1972, Penguin Books, 1995

And now for something totally obscure! Recently reported in the Massachusetts Bar Association Lawyers Journal, the following are 22 questions ACTUALLY asked of witnesses by attorneys during trials and, in certain cases, the responses given by insightful witnesses: 1. "Now doctor, isn't it true that when a person dies in his sleep, he doesn't know about it until the next morning?" 2. "The youngest son, the twenty-year old, how old is he?" 3. "Were you present when your picture was taken?" 4. "Were you alone or by yourself?" 5. "Was it you or your younger brother who was killed in the war?" 6. "Did he kill you?" 7. "How far apart were the vehicles at the time of the collision?" 8. "You were there until the time you left, is that true?" 9. "How many times have you committed suicide?" 10. Q: "So the date of conception (of the baby) was August 8th?" A: "Yes." Q: "And what were you doing at that time?" 11. Q: "She had three children, right?" A: "Yes." Q: "How many were boys?" A: "None." Q: "Were there any girls?" 12. Q: "You say the stairs went down to the basement?" A: "Yes." Q: "And these stairs, did they go up also?" 13. Q: "Mr. Slatery, you went on a rather elaborate honeymoon, didn't you?" A: "I went to Europe, Sir." Q: "And you took your new wife?" 14. Q: "How was your first marriage terminated?" A: "By death." Q: "And by whose death was it terminated?" 15. Q: "Can you describe the individual?" A: "He was about medium height and had a beard." Q: "Was this a male, or a female?" 16. Q: "Is your appearance here this morning pursuant to a deposition notice which I sent to your attorney?" A: "No, this is how I dress when I go to work." 17. Q: "Doctor, how many autopsies have you performed on dead people?" A: "All my autopsies are performed on dead people." 18. Q: "All your responses must be oral, OK? What school did you go to?" A: "Oral." 19. Q: "Do you recall the time that you examined the body?" A: "The autopsy started around 8:30 p.m.." Q: "And Mr. Dennington was dead at the time?" A: "No, he was sitting on the table wondering why I was doing an autopsy." 20. Q: "You were not shot in the fracas?" A: "No, I was shot midway between the fracas and the navel." 21. Q: "Are you qualified to give a urine sample?" A: "I have been since early childhood." 22. Q: "Doctor, before you performed the autopsy, did you check for a pulse?" A: "No." Q: "Did you check for blood pressure?" A: "No." Q: "Did you check for breathing?" A: "No." Q: "So, then it is possible that the patient was alive when you began the autopsy?" A: "No. Q: "How can you be so sure, Doctor?" A: "Because his brain was sitting on my desk in a jar." Q: "But could the patient have still been alive nevertheless?" A: "It is possible that he could have been alive and practicing law somewhere." chirho@prodigy.net http://www.hoseahouse.org http://www.geocities.com/~hoseahouse/genealogy/index.html http://www.geocities.com/~fiannag/index.html

This was forwarded to me-yep, this would be annoying! So now it's out-it was all a big plot! Happy Easter, anyway, everyone :) Peace. anne 25 Favorite Ways To Annoy A Yankee 1. Take your own sweet time when doing ANYTHING. 2. Pronounce all one-syllable words with two. 3. When giving directions, finish with "and it's right down yonder on the left." Confuses the mess out of 'em. 4. Talk REAL slow, and ask them to speak more slowly so you can understand what they're saying. 5. When they talk nostalgically about the North, tell 'em "Delta's ready when you are!" 6. Talk loudly and often about SEC football or ACC basketball. 7. Refer to every soft drink as a Coke. (This really does annoy 'em!) 8. Always order sweet tea and/or grits. When they don't have it, raise a ruckus. 9. Offer to send 'em a bottle of fresh air. 10. Insist on being addressed by your first AND middle names. (e.g. Lisa Marie -- John Michael -- Jim Bob. . .you get the idea) 11. Frequently bring up "The War of Northern Aggression" in conversation. If anyone ever says the words "Civil War", always interject that "there was nothing civil about it." 12. Address all males as "son" and females as "little lady". 13. Correct their pronunciation of certain words. For example: It's "Pah-kahn" not "Pee-can". (Amen) 14. Put Tabasco on everything. 15. For New York Yankees: Act as if the whole state of New York is New York City. In other words, if they say "Yo, I'm from upstate New Yoik!",say "Well, I'll be darned, my wife has always wanted to see a Broadway show!" 16. When invited to dinner, offer to bring dessert. Show up with a box of Moon Pies. . .preferably the banana ones. 17. Name all of your children "Bubba". (or just call em that!) 18. Use the word "reckon" in a sentence and watch their reaction. 19. "Mash" buttons. "Cut" off lights. "Carry" the kids to school. 20. Never simply "do" something. Be "fixin to do" something. 21. Tell them you don't have an accent, they do. 22. Be sure to include "yes/no ma'am/sir" in all conversations...Offends the heck out of 'em. 23. Only use landmarks and ramble on when giving directions. "Now go down Jeff Davis Highway and turn left at where the Chevron station used to be. I think they turned it into a Amoco. Or maybe a BP. Anyway, turn right there..." "You said left." "Did I? Well, turn left there and follow it until you see a big fish on your left. I remember when that fish used to be on the other side of town.." 24. Ask them if it's still snowing up North. Then tell 'em you went driving around in your convertible this weekend. 25. Call 'em a yankee. Works every time. _______________________

Catherine, we don't have THOSE addresses, but do have some good addresses in Co.Armagh that might help you to get the ones you want: http://www.geocities.com/~fiannag/county/armagh.html At 01:51 AM 4/12/98 EDT, you wrote: >Hello everyone, > >Does anyone have any info. on the following: > >Marian Vale, Armagh Rd. [has anyone heard of this place and is it in Armagh >city?] > >Daisy Hill Hospital, Newry [does anyone know if the hospital is still in >existence and its address] > >Thanks for any help, >Catherine > > >==== FIANNA Mailing List ==== >Yes this is the Fianna Mailing list! >list maintainer: schmidtm@3-cities.com > > > > chirho@prodigy.net http://www.hoseahouse.org http://www.geocities.com/~hoseahouse/genealogy/index.html http://www.geocities.com/~fiannag/index.html

Have Michigan ancestors? Join us Monday, April 12th at 8PM Eastern Daylight Time on IRC Afternet in #GenealogyForum. Our main purpose is to help each other over stumbling blocks. IRC is not for everyone, but if you love people, enjoy helping others, and could use a little help yourself, come on in and join us. We are in the channel every evening after 7 Eastern... and off and on during the day and early evening. Pull up a chair and talk genealogy with us. It is similar to Mailing Lists, only in REAL time... Instructions for downloading IRC software and joining us is on our webpage... Regards, tex^mom >From #GenealogyForum IRC Channel on Afternet: server irc.afternet.org "Looking for YOUR Ancestors?" Need Simple instructions for joining us? Check our Webpage to Find 'em! WE HAVE TOPICAL DISCUSSIONS THREE EVENING A WEEK! DATES - TIMES - TOPICS ARE LISTED ON THE WEBPAGE http://cust2.iamerica.net/pscobb/ email: pscobb@mailhost.iamerica.net

Hello everyone, Does anyone have any info. on the following: Marian Vale, Armagh Rd. [has anyone heard of this place and is it in Armagh city?] Daisy Hill Hospital, Newry [does anyone know if the hospital is still in existence and its address] Thanks for any help, Catherine

Happy Easter all! VU classes are about to begin. Is this the year when you start to write up that mountain of Irish research data you have collected? It is for me and I am enrolled in the "You Too Can Write History" class at VU. If you have also enrolled for this class and are interested in writing your IRISH family history, Fianna has a fian for us! Go to http://www.geocities.com/~fiannag/signup.html and fill out and submit the form to be included! You will be part of an energetic and growing study group for Irish research, and we will focus on the material for this class. Be sure to check the button for "Writing Family Histories". We will be the first to try this topic in the FIANNA so take the opportunity. Maria -- M.M. Brandl Hobart - Tasmania - Australia marmarbrandl@trump.net.au Researching GARVEY FLANNERY COLLINS CARMODY GLEESON BERMINGHAM DONNELLAN in County Clare

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Our Hideaway and Guide to Irish Genealogy Research has been nominated for Terri Lamb's award. Click the link and vote! See the front page at http://www.geocities.com/~fiannag/index.html Peace. anne chirho@prodigy.net http://www.hoseahouse.org http://www.geocities.com/~hoseahouse/genealogy/index.html http://www.geocities.com/~fiannag/index.html

Sorry, somehow the Body of my last post was deleted. THIS is what SHOULD have been there. >From: pscobb@mailhost.iamerica.net > >The Elusive John Wilson of Starrville, Texas > >My great grandfather, John Wilson, born 1817 in NC, (one census >said NORTH Carolina, one said SOUTH Carolina, no county listed >on either one) died in Jan. 14, 1876, in Starrville, Smith Co., Texas, three days before my Grandfather, Henry Clarence was >born to his widow, A. Catherine Lowry, b.1833 in Georgia, >d. 1903 in Palestine, Anderson Co., Texas. > >There were other children of this marriage: > >Laura b. 1863 married H. H. Sheppard >Sarah Catherine b.1868 married E.A.Carpenter >John Samson b. 1872 married Lillian Porter >Della b.1874 married W. L. Wilder >Dora b. ? > >Henry Clarence and John Samson, brothers by John and >Kate, married sisters, Marion Alice Porter and Lillian >Porter, (my grandmother and her sister), in a double >ceremony on May 17, 1900. > >John Samson and Lillian had no natural children, but >adopted a Hazel and Jack (siblings). >Sarah married a E.A.Carpenter and had only one >daughter, Edith. She married a Peticord. > >My John had at least four children by a previous marriage >(wife's name unknown), Pinkney W., b. 1839 in NC, married >Mary Kelly in Oct.1863 and lived in Smith Co. and Anderson >Co. Texas during part of his adult life. Lydia A Wilson, >married Henry Lowery on Dec. 5, 1866 in Smith Co., >William S. Wilson born in Tn., lived in Pinkney�s household >at the time of the 1870 Smith Co. Census., and Wesley Wilson, >no further information. > >Pinkney and Mary had nine children. I have made contact >with a researcher who has much information on the descendants >of Pinkney's daughter (not his sister) Lydia Annie Wilson >Buchanan. > >Looking for Birthplace and parents of John Wilson. > >Email any information to: pscobb@iamerica.net tex^mom >From #GenealogyForum IRC Channel on Afternet: server irc.afternet.org "Looking for YOUR Ancestors?" Need Simple instructions for joining us? Check our Webpage to Find 'em! WE HAVE TOPICAL DISCUSSIONS THREE EVENING A WEEK! DATES - TIMES - TOPICS ARE LISTED ON THE WEBPAGE http://cust2.iamerica.net/pscobb/ email: pscobb@mailhost.iamerica.net

>From: pscobb@mailhost.iamerica.net > > tex^mom >From #GenealogyForum IRC Channel on Afternet: server irc.afternet.org "Looking for YOUR Ancestors?" Need Simple instructions for joining us? Check our Webpage to Find 'em! WE HAVE TOPICAL DISCUSSIONS THREE EVENING A WEEK! DATES - TIMES - TOPICS ARE LISTED ON THE WEBPAGE http://cust2.iamerica.net/pscobb/ email: pscobb@mailhost.iamerica.net

Greetings, all! the counter on our front page is up to 2932 and climbing! I don't doubt that over this weekend it will top 3000 ! :) That's 2800 since we opened the site to the public in late December. Now, If we get a few more really great things in place, we might well be pushing at 1000 hits a month! So if you have research guidance for folks that you'd like to have coded and added to the site, send it on! :) And for those who celebrate Passover or Easter, may your holy days be joyful! Peace. anne chirho@prodigy.net

Just thought you would all like to know, we are not as small as we thought! Fianna-L has 169 subscribers and Fianna-D 98! Also I changed the taglines, AGAIN! and if any of you have any more suggestions on the list please e-mail me at schmidtm@3-cities.com . Laura

If you have Kentucky ancestors, join us Wednesday, April 8th at 8PM Eastern Daylight Time on IRC Afternet in #GenealogyForum. There was one solid connection made Monday evening, and two later after some research was done... unusual, yes, but it DOES happen! Our main purpose is to help each other over stumbling blocks. IRC is not for everyone, but if you love people, enjoy helping others, and could use a little help yourself, come on in a join us. We are in the channel every evening after 7 Eastern...... and off and on during the day and early evening. Pull up a chair and talk genealogy with us. It is similar to Mailing Lists, only in REAL time... Instructions for downloading IRC software and joining us it on our webpage... Regards, tex tex^mom >From #GenealogyForum IRC Channel on Afternet: server twolf.afternet.org "Looking for YOUR Ancestors?" Need Simple instructions for joining us? Check our Webpage to Find 'em! WE HAVE TOPICAL DISCUSSIONS THREE EVENING A WEEK! DATES - TIMES - TOPICS ARE LISTED ON THE WEBPAGE http://cust2.iamerica.net/pscobb/index.htm email: pscobb@mailhost.iamerica.net

Well the 1st thing you need to do is share those dates, names and places with the list, not just me, so that chirho and the others can take a look....From what I see John.A.Flynn@ual.com might just be a cousin, and I know we have other Ryan researchers! So I am forwarding your mail to the list and want to see the answers fly to the list too...maybe we can put together some cousins! Laura -----Original Message----- From: Dale Shipp <dshipp@sover.net> To: fianna-l-request@rootsweb.com <fianna-l-request@rootsweb.com> Date: Monday, April 06, 1998 5:03 PM >hi laura. thanks for responding. the furthest back i can go right now is >david cussen and alice cussen bor in county limerick around 1876 alice was >the daughter of david cussen and catherine casey i don't know their births. >i also have philip ryan who married mary powers but no dates there either. i >am not sure how to get to the county limerick records to see if i can find >these people. any suggestions? bonnie ryan shipp >

Hello everyone, Does anyone have any info. on the following: Parish of Lower KILLEAVY, Bessbrook [I need to know where this is - would like to write for a baptismal record but don't know the church - please advise] Marian Vale, Armagh Rd. [has anyone heard of this place and is it in Armagh city?] Daisy Hill Hospital, Newry [does anyone know if the hospital is still in existence and its address] Thanks for any help, Catherine

I have signed up for the Intermediate Genealogy class starting Monday on VU, but there are a few things I don't understand. I need a mentor. 1. It told me to download a Browser. Does this mean that AOL's browser won't work? (I will be getting the class through my AOL account.) 2. There was a note about Chat in there somewhere that directed me to download Chat software and then, with a note about how easy it was (!/!), there were about 4 pages of scary-looking instructions. I haven't tried yet. Would someone like to reassure me, or tell me I don't really need to do this. 3. I have been subscribing to FIANNA because of the Irish information. What exactly is Fianna? Is a venue for members of a previous VU class to communicate? There seem to be notes about people getting together elsewhere for sharing. Can someone clarify this for me. 4. I have visited the Fianna webpage. Is the material there mostly the result of the classwork of previous class members? Are there other questions I am too ignorant to ask that someone would like to fill me in on? (excuse clump of dangling propositions) Thanks for helping. Anne _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866]

A week ago I posted the following message: >I know that there are parish histories published in Ireland because I have some that >I found when visiting there. And I know that there were many compiled and >published by local historical societies with the assistance of professional historians >and FAS trainees in the early 1990s. However, none of them seem to be indexed in >any Irish website or booksellers' website, at least none that I have been able to >locate. >I wonder if it might not be possible for all of us, working together, to compile a >master list, organized by county, that we could post somewhere (perhaps the Ireland >GenWeb?) so people looking for local history would have some idea of what exists >and might be found in a library, or might even be available to buy. I would be willing to coordinate this, if others would like to contribute. Quickly I received several useful contributions and an offer to host the list from Georgeann Malowney at IrishGenealogy.com. The URL there is http://www.irishgenealogy.com/IrishResearch.htm and you will see some other useful materials and links there as well. In the last week I have prospected around the web, picking up gold and sifting out the dross, for the list. You probably won't find YOUR parish hstory, but it's a start. But if you do have something that falls into this category, please share it. I received a message from someone who visited the National Library in Dublin looking for such a list, and did not find it. So you see, it is a job that needs to be done. Your help is much appreciated. Anne Lamb Remember Local and Parish Histories of Ireland are posted at http://www.irishgenealogy.com/IrishResearch.htm _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866]