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    1. [FIANNA-L] researching the following names/locations
    2. Julyiri
    3. Co.Limerick/Ire Halloran, O'halloran, McMahon, Lysaght, Devaney, Walsh, Crowe during 1800s-1900s....much of family located near Croom Parish (Patrickswell, Attyflin, etc) Co.Galway/Ire Canavan, Ribbon, Welch, Faherty, Mullin, Lydon/Lyden, King, Mongan ... 1850s-1900s Co.Cork/Ire Sullivan, Looney in 1850s Unknown County Flynn, Lovett, Fitzmaurice, Corrigan (Douglas ''Wrong Way') MA/USA Sullivan, Halloran, Devaney/Devany, Flynn NY/USA Devany/Devaney, Mack, Lydon/Lyden, King RI/USA Lovett MO/USA Halloran CA/USA Sullivan, Jeremiah late 1800s.

    05/23/1998 11:01:08
    1. [FIANNA-L] BOYD/BARNARDOE/BARNADO/VARNARDO/VARNADO
    2. Jim Allen
    3. Greetings all. The search goes on for those hard to find BOYDs. Info at hand indicates that John BOYD and his wife Jane BARNARDOE (or Barnado, or Varnardo, or Varnado) came to SC from Ireland (some say County Down, others say County Amarah, etc) aboard a ship (??) with a family named TYAGGRT (Tayggart, etc) in the mid 1700s. It is reported that John received a land grant from King George III on Brushy Creek, Union District, SC. Some say John was a minister, others say he served in the Revolutionary War in SC. John and Jane had eight children: Jane, Joseph, Nathan, David Leslie, Samuel (married Mary Ann "Polly" ??Thompson??), John, Nancy (married Abraham Keasler - moved to Itawamba Co, MS, but returned to Union District, SC), and Elizabeth. John's will was proven in 1815, and Jane died in 1835. Some of the children are mentioned in the will. Samuel, along with his mother Jane, was an administrator of John's will. Samuel with his wife and children moved to MS., some say he first settled in Yazoo Co, MS, but then moved to Monroe Co, MS. Never the less Samuel died in Monroe Co., MS, in 1860, and his death is recorded in the Green Thompson ROBERDS (yes, ROBERDS is correct) family Bible. And there is other reliable info on this branch of the family in MS. However, our brick wall lies in SC. What ship did John & Jane come from Ireland on? When and where did ship land? Were they considered "poor Protestants" as a basis of admission to the Colony? Is there a record of the land grant to John from King George? There is a suggestion that Jane's surname was VARNADO or some variation of that spelling, and that she was a French Huguenot. It was suggested that Jane might have immigrated from France to Ireland and married John there. There is further confusion since a John BOYD and his wife Jane BARNARDOE were discovered in the Newberry District of SC in 1802 as John was reported having died there. My attempts to determine the exact location of the Union/Newberry District line between 1750 - 1815 have proven futile. Could this be the same family, and the district line changed, or someone was mistaken as to location an mistakenly listed John & Jane there??? Can anyone help me unravel this mystery? Offer any leads? Give any counsel? Any help/assistance/advice greatly appreciated. And may God continue to bless America as we remember those who made the ultimate sacrifice for our freedom. Freedom is not free. The cost of freedom is beyond calculation. Sincerely, jimallen "Every family tree is bound to have some SAP in it." URL: <http://www.watervalley.net/users/jall>

    05/23/1998 10:46:39
    1. [FIANNA-L] From The List Maintainer
    2. Joe & Laura Schmidt
    3. I understand that we have a lot of folks transferring here from an Irish list that is leaving us. I also understand that there is a lot of animosity regarding individuals. Our list is not the place to attack individuals, and will not be tolerated. If you wish to respond to a person regarding your personal experiences with another individual, do so privately. We are a Fianna! We are a team, and we do not attack or flame other Irish researchers here on this list! We are here to have positive experiences and help each other. Anymore "frauddetection" done publicly, and not with personal responses, the offender will be kicked and banned from the list. Please keep the comments off the list. If you wish to respond to me, do so privately. Do not bring it to the list. Laura L Schmidt schmidtm@3-cities.com list maintainer: Franklin Co WA: WaFrankl-L@rootsweb.com Irish Research: Fianna-L@rootsweb.com SC Genealogy: SC-Genealogy-L@rootsweb.com web page coordinator: Franklin Co, WA: http://www.rootsweb.com/~wafrankl/franklin.htm

    05/23/1998 09:00:27
    1. [FIANNA-L] Doing my genealogy
    2. Hoeldke
    3. I'm ignoring the crap this time! Got taught a good lesson! Now on with my problem I have Samuel Waters b. 1786 in Carponey, Antrim, Ireland he married Ann Cargo abt 1789 also from Carponey, Antrim, Ireland. Can anyone help with these families. I asked on another list and drew a big fat blank. Hoping someone out there knows of the Waters Family, or something about Carponey, Antrim, Ireland. Oh by the Way, GOOD LUCK IRELAND, it is time to be united again. Kathy Hoeldke hoeldke@beeline.ca

    05/23/1998 07:32:12
    1. Re: [FIANNA-L] Does any body know this person?
    2. gail
    3. Is this LIST going to cave in like IrelandGenWeb ,because of this garbage? Why is this allowed??? Gail, researching- MCKEWEN;MCDONALD;FARLEY;<NY-NYC-BKLYN-IRE>HANKINS;LANE;GRIGGS;VAIL;NY-NJ,GARRISON;NYC-NJ,-OWENS;<DE-PA-NJ>

    05/23/1998 04:38:47
    1. [FIANNA-L] O'Connor/Ahearn
    2. HerkChick
    3. Hi, I am new to this group, this is my first posting. I am looking for information on any of the following people: Ellen Frances Ahearn (b) May 12, 1852 Tipperary, Ireland (m) Bernard (NMN) O'Connor (b) est 1847. Married June 14, 1877 Providence, RI Parents of each (Ellen): William Ahearn and Catherine Fox (no other info known) (Bernard) Bernard O'Connor and Cather (last name unknown). Any tips on where to go for listings of passage??? Thanks and happy hunting. Desiree

    05/23/1998 03:46:20
    1. [FIANNA-L] RE: GARBAGE!!
    2. MSA440
    3. Can we PLEASE get back to the neat stuff we all enjoy!! (I don't have enough time left ---in life---to get sidetracked from my intentions).....I, for one, appreciate ANYONE who is trying to keep any list going...Sure beats going blindly to the FHC without any helpful hints!```Marylyn Dewey Adams (MSA440@aol.com) Currently searching: HURD-LAYE-HARMON-HADDEN-ROBINSON-HARRIS-ALEXANDER- CORGILL-KITTLE (NY-PA)...HILL-TIBBS-LAYE-HANEBERY-SMALLETT (ENG/SCOT- NEWF/NS)....Any help appreciated.

    05/23/1998 02:22:36
    1. [FIANNA-L] over excited responses
    2. LalahTT
    3. As far as I can see the response to the "Do you know this person" posting has been a bit out of control. Why is everyone so hostile? If you cannot post a warning on the list without bringing out the worst in way too many people, why have a list at all? I realize that we of Irish descent do tend to be excitable, but from what I have seen this time, it has been a bit much even for us. If you see a subject that you don't want to read it is very easy to just delete it, for goodness sake. Let's try not to start another Irish Civil War just as they are finally getting the country back together (sort of). Ok, flame me if you wish, but please do it privately and don't bother the list with your personal insults. Thanks and happy hunting, Lalah

    05/23/1998 02:00:50
    1. [FIANNA-L] Re: FIANNA-D Digest V98 #96
    2. Waterlilys
    3. In a message dated 5/23/98 7:05:14 AM Eastern Daylight Time, FIANNA-D- request@rootsweb.com writes: <<Does any body know this person?>> Ok you've done your duty and warned us, now please enough said, there is no need to go on and on about it. Consider your mission accomplished. How many more times do you need to flog us with it? Once is enough PLEASE!!!!!!?

    05/23/1998 01:16:59
    1. Re: [FIANNA-L] Does any body know this person?
    2. Charles Ostrander
    3. Pleaseeeee. Not again. I thought we buried this. chic@ewol.com ---------- > From: Shawn O'Hara <frauddetection@juno.com> > To: FIANNA-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [FIANNA-L] Does any body know this person? > Date: Friday, May 22, 1998 3:58 PM > > > > > > > Subject: [OHIO] Professional researchers on the internet > Date: Fri, 22 May 1998 11:48:02 -0500 > From: John Lannom <jtlannom@one.net> > To: OHIO-ROOTS-L@LISTSERV.INDIANA.EDU > > I just noted a query for someone looking for a professional researcher > on the internet. I responded privately, but think I should let the > OHIO > newsgroup know my experience. > > Last January, 1998, I e-mailed Diana Hanson for information on doing > some research for me. Diana is connected with WorldGenWeb, > IrelandGenWeb, is a list owner of an Irish newsgroup, has an online > school and I believe teaches genealogy online also. She lists herself > as a 'professional' genealogist. > > My first hint of a problem began after I hired her, sent her my money > along with my ancestor information only to discover she had switched > internet servers without notifying the people who hired her. I was > finally able to locate her and she apologized. At this time I have not > received any correspondence from her, e-mail or otherwise. Any contact > is on my part only. > > I recently discovered the group WATCHDOG ran an article about her > credentials in question, etc. I contacted WATCHDOG and they advised me > to make an online fraud complaint which I, and others have done. > > Diana Hanson charged $50.00 for five hours work and was going to send > back to me what she discovered and then I could decide to go further in > $50.00 increments. Sounds good, right? Not so! I have requested > return of my money and her response was she would return it when she > got > some money together. My cousin in NE hired her, too, and we both are > waiting, waiting, waiting for our money returned. > > I have now hired an Irish genealogist in County Cork, Ireland named > Thomas O'Leary. I recommend him highly. He sent me his resume and > list > of places he would do research, etc. He has corresponded with me > several times outlining his progess, sending copies, etc. Very > professional and honest. > > Just remember - BUYER BEWARE! > > > > ----------------------------------------------- > > > Have you had an experience like this with the alledged. Write us. > Fraud Detection inc > > _____________________________________________________________________ > You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. > Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com > Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] > > > ==== FIANNA Mailing List ==== > Yes this is the Fianna Mailing list! > list maintainer: schmidtm@3-cities.com > > >

    05/22/1998 07:57:21
    1. Re: [FIANNA-L] Does any body know this person?
    2. Shawn O'Hara
    3. This is not starting again! This person has committed fraud to many of your fellow genealogists. Withe her Professional genealogist class charging $50.00 per month times 12 months. Posing as an accredited genealogist, changing URLs, e-mail addresses, using AKAs i supposed to people is fine as long as she answers your needs. Does she? Her trip to Ireland was a scam. That has been reported to the board also. Why is she incognito, hiding and not really public. People bewar. Stop defending this person. She has been reported to the National Internet Fraud Board for her illegal activities. All this and everyone still supports her. What a bunch of gullible people! Report anything at all that even gives the smallest hint of fraud or scam. This is not the only area on the internet that this person has been active. She is being investigated elsewhere If you are suspicious or thik that someone on-line is possibly committing fraud or a scam please go to the page to report: http://www.fraud.org/ Thanks On Fri, 22 May 1998 18:57:21 -0700 "Charles Ostrander" <chic@ewol.com> writes: >Pleaseeeee. Not again. I thought we buried this. > >chic@ewol.com > >---------- >> From: Shawn O'Hara <frauddetection@juno.com> >> To: FIANNA-L@rootsweb.com >> Subject: [FIANNA-L] Does any body know this person? >> Date: Friday, May 22, 1998 3:58 PM >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Subject: [OHIO] Professional researchers on the internet >> Date: Fri, 22 May 1998 11:48:02 -0500 >> From: John Lannom <jtlannom@one.net> >> To: OHIO-ROOTS-L@LISTSERV.INDIANA.EDU >> >> I just noted a query for someone looking for a professional >researcher >> on the internet. I responded privately, but think I should let >the >> OHIO >> newsgroup know my experience. >> >> Last January, 1998, I e-mailed Diana Hanson for information on >doing >> some research for me. Diana is connected with WorldGenWeb, >> IrelandGenWeb, is a list owner of an Irish newsgroup, has an >online >> school and I believe teaches genealogy online also. She lists >herself >> as a 'professional' genealogist. >> >> My first hint of a problem began after I hired her, sent her my >money >> along with my ancestor information only to discover she had >switched >> internet servers without notifying the people who hired her. I >was >> finally able to locate her and she apologized. At this time I >have not >> received any correspondence from her, e-mail or otherwise. Any >contact >> is on my part only. >> >> I recently discovered the group WATCHDOG ran an article about her >> credentials in question, etc. I contacted WATCHDOG and they >advised me >> to make an online fraud complaint which I, and others have done. >> >> Diana Hanson charged $50.00 for five hours work and was going to >send >> back to me what she discovered and then I could decide to go >further in >> $50.00 increments. Sounds good, right? Not so! I have requested >> return of my money and her response was she would return it when >she >> got >> some money together. My cousin in NE hired her, too, and we both >are >> waiting, waiting, waiting for our money returned. >> >> I have now hired an Irish genealogist in County Cork, Ireland >named >> Thomas O'Leary. I recommend him highly. He sent me his resume >and >> list >> of places he would do research, etc. He has corresponded with me >> several times outlining his progess, sending copies, etc. Very >> professional and honest. >> >> Just remember - BUYER BEWARE! >> >> >> >> ----------------------------------------------- >> >> >> Have you had an experience like this with the alledged. Write us. >> Fraud Detection inc >> >> >_____________________________________________________________________ >> You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. >> Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com >> Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] >> >> >> ==== FIANNA Mailing List ==== >> Yes this is the Fianna Mailing list! >> list maintainer: schmidtm@3-cities.com >> >> >> > > >==== FIANNA Mailing List ==== >The Fianna, friends helping friends! >http://www.geocities.com/~fiannag/ >http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Meadows/4404/ > > > > _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866]

    05/22/1998 05:44:53
    1. [FIANNA-L] Does any body know this person?
    2. Shawn O'Hara
    3. Subject: [OHIO] Professional researchers on the internet Date: Fri, 22 May 1998 11:48:02 -0500 From: John Lannom <jtlannom@one.net> To: OHIO-ROOTS-L@LISTSERV.INDIANA.EDU I just noted a query for someone looking for a professional researcher on the internet. I responded privately, but think I should let the OHIO newsgroup know my experience. Last January, 1998, I e-mailed Diana Hanson for information on doing some research for me. Diana is connected with WorldGenWeb, IrelandGenWeb, is a list owner of an Irish newsgroup, has an online school and I believe teaches genealogy online also. She lists herself as a 'professional' genealogist. My first hint of a problem began after I hired her, sent her my money along with my ancestor information only to discover she had switched internet servers without notifying the people who hired her. I was finally able to locate her and she apologized. At this time I have not received any correspondence from her, e-mail or otherwise. Any contact is on my part only. I recently discovered the group WATCHDOG ran an article about her credentials in question, etc. I contacted WATCHDOG and they advised me to make an online fraud complaint which I, and others have done. Diana Hanson charged $50.00 for five hours work and was going to send back to me what she discovered and then I could decide to go further in $50.00 increments. Sounds good, right? Not so! I have requested return of my money and her response was she would return it when she got some money together. My cousin in NE hired her, too, and we both are waiting, waiting, waiting for our money returned. I have now hired an Irish genealogist in County Cork, Ireland named Thomas O'Leary. I recommend him highly. He sent me his resume and list of places he would do research, etc. He has corresponded with me several times outlining his progess, sending copies, etc. Very professional and honest. Just remember - BUYER BEWARE! ----------------------------------------------- Have you had an experience like this with the alledged. Write us. Fraud Detection inc _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866]

    05/22/1998 04:58:32
    1. Re: [FIANNA-L] Does any body know this person?
    2. Nancy Reeb
    3. PLEASE! Let's not ruin another LIST with this stuff. If we all ignore these postings maybe they will get the hint and go away. Is there no way to block these postings? I want to do genealogy and not be intruded upon by TROUBLEMAKERS. Nancy --------- > From: Shawn O'Hara <frauddetection@juno.com> > To: FIANNA-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [FIANNA-L] Does any body know this person? > Date: Friday, May 22, 1998 11:44 PM > > This is not starting again! This person has committed fraud to many of > your fellow genealogists. Withe her Professional genealogist class > charging $50.00 per month times 12 months. Posing as an accredited > genealogist, changing URLs, e-mail addresses, using AKAs i supposed to > people is fine as long as she answers your needs. Does she? Her trip to > Ireland was a scam. That has been reported to the board also. Why is she > incognito, hiding and not really public. People bewar. Stop defending > this person. She has been reported to the National Internet Fraud Board > for her illegal activities. All this and everyone still supports her. > What a bunch of gullible people! Report anything at all that even gives > the smallest hint of fraud or scam. > > This is not the only area on the internet that this person has been > active. She is being investigated elsewhere > If you are suspicious or thik that someone on-line is possibly committing > fraud or a scam please go to the page to report: > http://www.fraud.org/ > Thanks > On Fri, 22 May 1998 18:57:21 -0700 "Charles Ostrander" <chic@ewol.com> > writes: > >Pleaseeeee. Not again. I thought we buried this. > > > >chic@ewol.com > > > >---------- > >> From: Shawn O'Hara <frauddetection@juno.com> > >> To: FIANNA-L@rootsweb.com > >> Subject: [FIANNA-L] Does any body know this person? > >> Date: Friday, May 22, 1998 3:58 PM > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> Subject: [OHIO] Professional researchers on the internet > >> Date: Fri, 22 May 1998 11:48:02 -0500 > >> From: John Lannom <jtlannom@one.net> > >> To: OHIO-ROOTS-L@LISTSERV.INDIANA.EDU > >> > >> I just noted a query for someone looking for a professional > >researcher > >> on the internet. I responded privately, but think I should let > >the > >> OHIO > >> newsgroup know my experience. > >> > >> Last January, 1998, I e-mailed Diana Hanson for information on > >doing > >> some research for me. Diana is connected with WorldGenWeb, > >> IrelandGenWeb, is a list owner of an Irish newsgroup, has an > >online > >> school and I believe teaches genealogy online also. She lists > >herself > >> as a 'professional' genealogist. > >> > >> My first hint of a problem began after I hired her, sent her my > >money > >> along with my ancestor information only to discover she had > >switched > >> internet servers without notifying the people who hired her. I > >was > >> finally able to locate her and she apologized. At this time I > >have not > >> received any correspondence from her, e-mail or otherwise. Any > >contact > >> is on my part only. > >> > >> I recently discovered the group WATCHDOG ran an article about her > >> credentials in question, etc. I contacted WATCHDOG and they > >advised me > >> to make an online fraud complaint which I, and others have done. > >> > >> Diana Hanson charged $50.00 for five hours work and was going to > >send > >> back to me what she discovered and then I could decide to go > >further in > >> $50.00 increments. Sounds good, right? Not so! I have requested > >> return of my money and her response was she would return it when > >she > >> got > >> some money together. My cousin in NE hired her, too, and we both > >are > >> waiting, waiting, waiting for our money returned. > >> > >> I have now hired an Irish genealogist in County Cork, Ireland > >named > >> Thomas O'Leary. I recommend him highly. He sent me his resume > >and > >> list > >> of places he would do research, etc. He has corresponded with me > >> several times outlining his progess, sending copies, etc. Very > >> professional and honest. > >> > >> Just remember - BUYER BEWARE! > >> > >> > >> > >> ----------------------------------------------- > >> > >> > >> Have you had an experience like this with the alledged. Write us. > >> Fraud Detection inc > >> > >> > >_____________________________________________________________________ > >> You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. > >> Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com > >> Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] > >> > >> > >> ==== FIANNA Mailing List ==== > >> Yes this is the Fianna Mailing list! > >> list maintainer: schmidtm@3-cities.com > >> > >> > >> > > > > > >==== FIANNA Mailing List ==== > >The Fianna, friends helping friends! > >http://www.geocities.com/~fiannag/ > >http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Meadows/4404/ > > > > > > > > > > _____________________________________________________________________ > You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. > Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com > Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] > > > ==== FIANNA Mailing List ==== > Yes this is the Fianna Mailing list! > list maintainer: schmidtm@3-cities.com > >

    05/22/1998 03:44:17
    1. [FIANNA-L] CUSHNAGHAN, County Antrim, 1830
    2. Peg Buckman
    3. Back to business. I have finally found my great grandfather who came from County Antrim, Ireland, landed in New York in Nov.1851 and settled in Boston, MA, USA. On the ships passenger list his name is Edward CUSHNAGHAN (which I believe is correct). On arrival to Boston he has become CUSHMAN (Naturaliztion petition) and then CUSHING by 1870. I am searching for the Edward's birth in County Antrim to Edward CUSHNAGHAN and Mary CULLEN. Also searching for the marriage of the parents. Thanks for any help you can offer. Peg Buckman DavePeg@ix.netcom.com .... http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Meadows/7401/2ndlink.html

    05/22/1998 12:08:42
    1. [FIANNA-L] Re: castle/coolhull
    2. Ellen Naliboff
    3. Coolhull, Wexford The late 16th century stronghouse has double stepped battlements and upper windows of twin round headed lights. It has a main block of three low storeys 17m long by 8.6m wide. One end wall is thickened outwards for most of the length and rises one storey higher. It contains the entrance, staircases, small rooms, and latrines. Ellen

    05/20/1998 10:16:49
    1. [FIANNA-L] Murphy's Law of Genealogy
    2. Joe & Laura Schmidt
    3. Thanks to Gerry A Geiger of the Deep South Roots list: MURPHY'S LAWS OF GENEALOGY 1. The public ceremony in which your distinguished ancestor participated and at which the platform collapsed under him turned out to be a hanging. 2 When at last after much hard work you have evolved the mystery that you have been working on for two years, your aunt says, "I could have told you that." 3 You search ten years for your grandmother's maiden name to eventually find it on a letter in a box in the attic. 4. You never asked your father about his family when he was alive because you weren't interested in genealogy then. 5. The will you need is in the safe on board the Titanic. 6. Copies of old newspapers have holes occurring only on the surnames. 7. John, son of Thomas the immigrant whom your relatives claim as the family progenitor, died on board ship at the age of 10. 8. Your great grandfather's newspaper obituary states that he died leaving no issue of record. 9. Another genealogist has just insulted the keeper of the vital records you need. 10. The relative who had all the family photographs gave them all to her daughter who has no interest in genealogy and no inclination to share. 11. The only record you find for your great grandfather is that his property was sold at a sheriff's sale of insolvency. 12. The one document that would supply the missing link in your dead end line has been lost due to fire, flood, or war. 13. The town clerk to whom you wrote for the information sends you a long handwritten letter which is totally illegible. 14. The spelling of your European ancestor's name bears no relationship to its current spelling or pronunciation. 15. None of the pictures in your recently deceased grandmother's photo album have names written on them. 16. No one in your family tree ever did anything noteworthy, owned property, was sued or was named in a will. 17. You learn that your great aunt's executor just sold her life's collection of family genealogical materials to a flea market dealer "Somewhere in New York City." 18. Ink fades and paper deteriorates at a rate inversely proportional to the value of the data recorded. 19. The 37 volume, 16,000 page history of your county of origin isn't indexed. 20. You finally find your great grandparents' wedding record and discover that the bride's father was named John Smith. -----------------------------------------------

    05/20/1998 12:05:15
    1. [FIANNA-L] Fennidi - IMPORTANT: special - input needed
    2. chirho
    3. Hi all :) We have some things to talk about! (1) Statistics - as of 0700 EDT, May 20, 1998 The front page has had 3915 hits The start of the Guide has had 2149 hits The surname page has had 3660 hits All since December 19, 1997 !!!! So it looks like the site is "a keeper" :) We're talking with rootsweb about moving there. Main reason, in order to be able to get on the bigger search engines, such as Yahoo, that usually won't put geocities sites into their databases. Seems that geocities and some of the other free sites crash browsers due to the popup ads. Even tho' we don't have popup ads (because chirho pays for the site to be geoplus, and thus avoid the ads) we're still tarred with that brush. (2) NEED INPUT! The question of an online bookstore association has arisen again! I was much against it because it would introduce the issue of money and might thereby be divisive to the group. A new suggestion has been to donate any proceeds to help fund rootsweb. chirho is BEGGING for input, folks. It would be more work (probably not overwhelming, tho') but IF folks REALLY want to do that would GLADLY do the work... but still doesn't want it to cause divisions :) Let me know pro or con!!! (3) The site is getting another thorough housecleaning, with several significant changes: (a) pages are being revised to be easier for older browsers to load, and to print - in recognition that many folks pay for their downloads by the minute/byte and aren't happy to pay for all the byte-costly beauty :) All "light print on dark pages" are being changed to dark on light, some browsers can't print them otherwise, and many folk print them off and peruse at leisure. (b) pages are being placed into subdirectories (some of em are.. ) and/or having their names changed in order to put some order into things and make it a bit easier to see "what's where" - NOTHING IS BEING LOST OR DISCARDED and you can find YOUR project by checking about on the Guide page. (c) When a new term starts, old class pages and logs are being placed into an "archive", with all duplicated information and pictures stripped. Doing this the other day saved nearly 1 MEG !!! Archive starts at http://www.geocities.com/~fiannag/logs/index.html (d) There's a WONDERFUL NEW section on the COUNTIES in the works!!!! Nothing more about it 'til it's done, tho ;) This, because Irlgen has gone to a commercial site (some good free searches, otherwise US$5-25 for information which was free before. chirho, being concerned about copyright, is working from new extractions - so it IS taking some time :) (e) Just for fun ;) !! Take a look at the logs for the current Intermediate Practical Internet Genealogy course - I PIG for short! Hehehehehehehehe!!! Feedback WANTED! Feedback NEEDED!!!! from YOU!!!!!!! Peace. Anne . chirho@prodigy.net http://www.hoseahouse.org http://www.geocities.com/~hoseahouse/genealogy/index.html http://www.geocities.com/~fiannag/index.html

    05/20/1998 07:12:40
    1. [FIANNA-L] Re: Castles in Ireland
    2. Ellen Naliboff
    3. This is as clase as I could find to LEAP. CASTLES OF LEINSTER: Lea Castle, Laois Ordance Survey map gridN5712 William Marshall had a motte and bailey castle here in 1203. A window with two trefoiled headed lights dates the lofty but very ruined keep to c 1250-80, the time of Maurice FitzGerald, 2nd Baron Offaly. The castle was burnt by the O'Connors in 1285 and the gatehouse added by Edward I in the 1290s failed to save it from being wrecked by the O'Mores in 1307 and 1348, and by Edward Bruce in 1315. An adjacent town never recovered from these incursions. In 1422 O'Dempsey captured Lea from the Earl of Kildare only to lose it to the Earl of Ormond in 1452. Silken Thomas retreated to the castle during his rebellion of 1 535. The O'Dempseys seized Lea for the Confederate Catholics in 1841 and it was blown up by the Cromwellians in 1850. Only one of the 8.8m diameter corner towers of the four storey keep 21m long by 15m wide over 3m thick walls now survives. From it leads a straight stair in the north wall, and the entrance at second storey level adjoins on the east. The basement vaults and crosswall are 1 5th or 18th century. Around the keep was an oval court about 55m long by 40m wide with D-shaped bastions. Two of these, on the south, and SE, survive, with adjoining walls and an eastward facing gateway beyond which the wall was arcaded to provide sufficient width for a wall-walk. Immediately beyond the SE bastion is the outer gateway with a passage 3m wide with two portcullis grooves flanked by elongated 8m wide round fronted towers. A latrine turret adjoins the east tower. The gateway was later blocked and the building used as an apartment block. The outer court measures about 80m across and extends towards the River Barrow which was probably used to fill the moats. Source: Salter, Mike, Castles and Stronghouses of Ireland

    05/19/1998 10:53:00
    1. [FIANNA-L] info
    2. Charles Ostrander
    3. QUESTION; If I have the NAME, COUNTY,PARISH and TOWNLAND of the person I am looking for, where do I go from here to get info on this person??? This info is from GRIFFITH EVALUATION. charles chic@ewol.com

    05/19/1998 04:52:01
    1. [FIANNA-L] Loughmoe castle
    2. Ellen Naliboff
    3. Scanned from Castles and Stronghouses of Ireland by Mike slater: LOUGHMOE Tipperary 51387 A.M. The round cornered 15th century tower 16m long by 11.8 m wide and 17m high to the wall-walk is a fine specimen despite the south wall being partly defaced. There are four storeys with vaults over the cellar and third storey and the ends are carried up to contain fifth storey rooms at wall-walk level, the east end being thickened above hall level by means of an arcade. There are or were machicolated sections in the middle of each side. The second storey contain the lord's room and has a fine 17th century. fireplace with the initials of one of the Purcells. the last of whom, Colonel Nicholas, died in 1722. There are rooms in the end walls, that at fourth storey level at the west end being the full width of the tower and having angle loops, whilst the SE corner contains a prison high up. In the early 17th century a 26m long mansion of four storeys with large upper mullion and transom windows was added to the north side. Beside the tower the mansion has a porch which faced the former bawn to the east and which has shot holes in the outer doorway jamb and arch. A large fireplace at ground level adjoins it. Clasping the NW corner is a large five storey wing which seems to have been divided into two rooms at each level. The wall-walks of the mansion have parapets with the middle part of each merlon made into a semi-circle.

    05/19/1998 03:49:12