In a message dated 31-May-98 8:26:24 PM Eastern Daylight Time, schmidtm@3-cities.com writes: << O'Connor - O Conchobhair, descendant of Conchobhair >> My ggrandmother was an O'Connor...what does O Conchobhair stand for or is this just a stupid question? Desiree

<< I would like to compare some given names from other counties and see if the pattern continues. >> I hope one of those given names isnt Mary! I read somewhere that in 1850's era Ireland, that 29% of the females were named Mary! In my O'Connor family the given names John, James, Hugh, ... Mary, Catherine, and Johanna are repeated every generation. mary :) O'Connor, Martin, FitzGerald, Moriarty West Dingle Co Kerry Heffron, Murphy Hollymount, So Co Mayo Ireland > Brattleboro,VT > Hartford,CT

Early on I learned that an Irish tradition in naming patterns is as follows: first son for the father's father; second son for the mother's father; first daughter for the father's mother; second daughter for the mother's mother; third son for the father; third daughter for the mother; fourth son for the father's oldest brother, there's more but I don't have a reference in front of me. Also, several girl's names as Rose --County Meath; Agnes -County Kerry --just a few thoughts. Nancy

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Hi Suz; Yes, I can. It is the same way in the U.S.A., sometimes without the mate is is next to impossible to know who belongs to whom. I have found each family has at least one of each. But it is fascinating. Tonya Suz1Heaton@aol.com wrote: > How interesting, Bridget, Catherine, Patrick, John and Martin . . . I thought > that was all they named the children . . . I found it even better when Baptism > records were checked and the girls were 3 out of 4 listed as Mary. Can't you > just imagine our ancestors, chuckling as we look for them over and over, > amidst cousins, etc??? Suz > > ==== FIANNA Mailing List ==== > Fianna-L@rootsweb.com > Any queries go here! > List Maintainer: schmidtm@3-cities.com > Any complaints go here! > Please turn off your Stationery, Backrounds & HTML! > Messages to list in plain text only!

In a message dated 98-05-31 11:55:30 EDT, you write: << To: FIANNA-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <006c01bd8cb4$ebd74ec0$8d71440c@hpcustomer> Subject: Re: [FIANNA-L] Fw: common given names Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Early on I learned that an Irish tradition in naming patterns is as follows: first son for the father's father; second son for the mother's father; first daughter for the father's mother; second daughter for the mother's mother; third son for the father; third daughter for the mother; fourth son for the father's oldest brother, there's more but I don't have a reference in front of me >> I found the info on the Irish naming pattern from another list. It goes as follows: 1st son.....father's father 2nd son.....mother's father 3rd son.....father 4th son.....father's oldest brother 5th son.....mother's oldest brother or father's 2nd oldest brother 1st daughter...father's mother 2nd daughter...mother's mother 3rd daughter...mother 4th daughter...mother's oldest sister 5th daughter...father's oldest sister or mother's 2nd oldest sister Sometimes the 4th and 5th step was not always observed. Also, the pattern often broke down when you had the father's and mother's parents having the same name. For example, in my family, the oldest son was presumably named after his paternal grandfather. The second son however, could not be named after the maternal grandfather because he would have had the same name as his brother. But at least, it's a start in trying to solve the family puzzle. Good luck. Janice

In a message dated 98-05-31 11:55:30 EDT, you write: << From: HerkChick@aol.com To: FIANNA-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <3079d3d3.357153df@aol.com> Subject: [FIANNA-L] program usage Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Hi all, I use Family Tree Maker to store all of my genealogy information. I have been having lots of problems with the program becoming unstable. I have lost everything once and had to reconstruct. >> I also use Family Tree Maker and have never had a problem. Did this just start happening or have you had problems with it from the beginning? You might try copying your family files to disk and then deleting the program and re-installing it. Then re-load your family files into it. Or else call Broderbund for technical support. Good luck! Janice

-----Original Message----- From: Tonya Lebo <tonlebo@sunlink.net> To: FIANNA-L-request@rootsweb.com <FIANNA-L-request@rootsweb.com> Date: Sunday, May 31, 1998 6:30 AM Subject: Lipsett >Hi; >Can anyone tell me how to go about finding if any Lipsett still lives in >Ireland? >I am from Pennsylvania, in the United States? Thank you very much. >Tonya >

-----Original Message----- From: goatsong@earthlink.net <goatsong@earthlink.net> To: FIANNA-D-request@rootsweb.com <FIANNA-D-request@rootsweb.com> Date: Sunday, May 31, 1998 6:17 AM Subject: common given names >Has anyone investigated a reccurance of common given names in different >locations of Ireland? >In my tree I have two families from Aghamore, Mayo and the same names are >repeated for four generations in all families involved : John, Patrick, >James, Bridget, Martin, Catherine and Mary. >Other families that I have from Limerick repeat the names William, Francis, >Catherine, David, Margaret Thomas and Jane. >Any ideas? any sites that talk about local *given* names? >Thanks, >-SusanB >

Ellen: We only learned of a Byrne connection when we were in Ireland and went to Henrietta Street to look up a deed. I am attaching the deed so you will see the Kildare Byrne connection. When we traveled around Kildare, Moone was spitting distance away from Narraghmore. We have to find the female Byrne connection to the Salmon family. I spent three days in the National Library last October copying hundreds of names, a good number of Byrnes who were baptized or married in the Narraghmore Parish. The records only began in the 1820's to 1851. Pauline

Dear Laura, Another enquiry is for Amelia Arantana Stewart Hoggan, born in Cork, Ireland c.1822. She married Thomas Spearman Heywood in Kent, England. She died in Sidcup, Kent.Amelia was my husband's G.Grandmother. Although we have done extensive research on the Heywoods, we have never found anything re Amelia or her family. Hoping someone may be able to help Regards Margaret. Joe & Laura Schmidt wrote: > When the list is as quiet as this, it makes my job so easy ! But I don't > like EASY! so let's get things a moving. Please send in your most wanted, > brick walled, longest desired ancestor, and/or your research questions in > general. Maybe we can help eachother! Remember to reply to all, not just > too me, as I don't know much more than the rest of you, if that much. > > Laura L Schmidt > schmidtm@3-cities.com > list maintainer: > Franklin Co WA: WaFrankl-L@rootsweb.com > Irish Research: Fianna-L@rootsweb.com > SC Genealogy: SC-Genealogy-L@rootsweb.com > web page coordinator: > Franklin Co, WA: http://www.rootsweb.com/~wafrankl/franklin.htm > > ==== FIANNA Mailing List ==== > The Fianna, friends helping friends! > http://www.rootsweb.com/~fianna/ ***Award Winner*** > http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Meadows/4404/ > Please turn off your Stationery, Backrounds & HTML! > Messages to list in plain text only!

How interesting, Bridget, Catherine, Patrick, John and Martin . . . I thought that was all they named the children . . . I found it even better when Baptism records were checked and the girls were 3 out of 4 listed as Mary. Can't you just imagine our ancestors, chuckling as we look for them over and over, amidst cousins, etc??? Suz

Does anyone have any records they could check for me from Seekonk, MA late 1700's current for a few names, I have dates but need further information. I will be heading to RI to do research and the films would arrive after I had already left. I know they originated from Ireland but have to work my way back to get to that point. Desiree

Hi all, I use Family Tree Maker to store all of my genealogy information. I have been having lots of problems with the program becoming unstable. I have lost everything once and had to reconstruct. Has anyone else had problems with this program and what did you do? I am at my witts end, I can't even print one page, it's driving me nuts! Desiree

Hi, Margaret - Kilmacrenan is a little town next to Letterkenny. My sources there tell me that at one time there were 60 (sixty) MURRAY families living in Kilmacrenan. Don't know how many were related to each other. My aunt was there recently and discovered that our MURRAYs lived on parcel #7 in the Upper Barnes area of the Kilmacrenan parish. In 1857, Patrick O'Donnell lived there, and O'Donnell 's daughter married a Murray. Looking forward to hearing your MURRAY connection. Nan pghirishfest@juno.com >Re your enquiry about Murray from Co. Donegal. My husbands Grandfather, >James McGee came from Creeslough via Letterkenny in Co. Donegal. HIs sister >married a Mr. Murray from Co. Donegal. I am having a problem with my Family >Tree Maker program at the moment. All the family files are there, but the >computer can't find the FTM file to put it together.I soon as it is fixed I >will check on it for you.Do you know whereabouts in Co. Donegal, >Kilmacrenan is? >Let me know how you are going. >Regards Margaret pghirishfest@juno.com wrote: > Hi. Looking for info on Patrick O'DONNELL. He married Bridget ______. > They had at least Mary O'DONNELL. Mary married James MURRAY. > > These families lived in Kilmacrenan, Co Donegal, Ireland. > > Anything ring a bell? Thanks in advance. > > Nan Krushinski > pghirishfest@juno.com > _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866]

Hi! I'm so glad that you are able to help us "hit the wall" folks, because I've been bouncing off of it for a very long time. My ggrandfather, Robert Gavagan, son of Elizabeth (Burns) and Thomas Gavagan, claimed on his naturalization papers in Boston (1852), that he'd been born in 1830 in Boyle, County Roscommon, Ireland. My researcher (County Roscommon Heritage & Genealogy Center) tells me that there is absolutely no record of his having been born there. I haven't even been able to ascertain the Irish history of the name Gavagan. I sure hope you'll take this on as a challenge, because on my own I am dead in the water. My second problem is a mixed blessing; I am so thrilled to have recently found out that my ggrandfather, John G. Sullivan, lived in Kenmare, County Kerry. The down side is that I don't know if Kenmare is a town, a parish, etc., and I need to be able to find out in order to pinpoint exactly where he and his family lived so that I can research properly. Any information would be received with great joy. You can't imagine how much I look forward to hearing from you. Many thanks! Fran Weeks

Fianna - Researching - KANE - Charles, born c. 1824 in Co. Antrim; married Margaret MC ALLISTER, born c. 1828 Co. Antrim; They married in 1852 in Co. Antrim, Parish of Billy (Church of Ireland); Charles father's name was Alexander as was Margaret's - both were farmers. Margaret from Ballintoy, Charles from Bushmills. Charles and Margaret raised three children (Alexander, Sarah and Isabelle) in the Bushmills area. All children emigrated to US - Philadelphia and New York City by 1880. Any information welcomed! Problem - I am stuck in 1852 with their marriage record. Billy Parish Church of Ireland records sent to Four Courts (you know the story from there!). Want to find baptism, birth, school - something - records for their children to verify their ages and where they were raised and if there were other siblings I don't know about. Any ideas? Have read all LDS microfilms from 1845-1890 looking for siblings, etc. and have had no luck so far. Thanks for help. Corky corcoran@quik.com

Thank you for your note. I have never met a Manning relative in this country. My father came from Ireland in 1928 and had two sons, myself and my brother. My brother and I have six children between us all of whom still use the name Manning. My father had no brothers who had children and, in fact, my paternal grandfather used the name Manney/Manny more than Manning. I can't even find any evidence he ever used the name Manning, although that is the only surname his two sons used. Confusing I know but the Irish are very casual about spellings compared to us. In the end, then, I am afraid your Manning connection may not be of much help to me. Thank you just the same. -----Original Message----- From: JLedit@aol.com <JLedit@aol.com> To: FIANNA-L@rootsweb.com <FIANNA-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Saturday, May 30, 1998 5:21 PM Subject: Re: [FIANNA-L] Gurry/Manning(Manney) >Are you related to the Mannings of Peoria, Illinois? The family was close to >my McCarthy group of Peoria. There is a family story that one of my ancestors >was supposed to marry a Manning, but met someone on the boat to New Orleans, >and married him instead. I may have some census information, and some >references to the Mannings in our records. Let me know if you are interested. > >Good luck. > >Jaonne > > >==== FIANNA Mailing List ==== >Fianna-L@rootsweb.com >favorite sites: >Try: http://cust2.iamerica.net/pscobb/index.htm >http://www.rootsweb.com/~fianna/ ***Award winner*** Thanks to Chirho >http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Meadows/4404/ >Please turn off your Stationery, Backrounds & HTML! >Messages to list in plain text only! > > > > >

Did you check children's baptismal records. or his marriage record??? .I understand that sometimes parish is noted on those records...depends on the parish priest

Looking for Info on the following. BOOK: PREOGATIVE WILLS OF IRELAND-ESQUIRE. RICHARD PURCELL ESQ. made a will in 1777, TEMPLEMARY, IRELAND. Also where Is TEMPLEMARY?? charles chic@ewol.com