Hi, This came over the DeepSouth mail list and I thought it was very important to pass on. We, that use the mail lists, need also to remember to never pass on living individual's dates in the mail we send to a list! This article is about websites, but the same applies here. *********************************** Hi to all, I received this the other day and believe it is CRITICAL that everyone involved in genealogy read this!! Just in case there may be someone who had not thought of this angle before. Remember: 'AN OUNCE OF PREVENTION IS WORTH A POUND OF CURE'. Here is the article from the May issue of US NEWS & WORLD REPORT.................... I hope it helps someone. Love, KAREN **************************************************************************** ** ************ This article from the US News & World Report was posted on the Cumberland River Region. It makes some very interesting points and is worth passing around. U.S. News and World Report News You Can Use 5/11/98 ON MONEY BY MARGARET MANNIX Home-page snoops Does your family have a home page on the Internet? If so, you might want to reconsider how much personal information you post online. Con artists who steal others' identities, get credit in their names, then leave innocent people with a mountain of debt to fight and ruined credit to clean up are discovering the charms of the Net. Old-fashioned techniques like wading through Dumpsters for discarded credit-card receipts take time. These days, a savvy thief can hack into an Internet service provider's subscriber list and lift credit-card numbers by the thousands. Databases full of sensitive information have been inadvertently left open in cyberspace. And some online outfits peddle sensitive information without regard to privacy, despite Federal Trade Commission scrutiny last year that encouraged many to limit how they sell services like looking up Social Security numbers. Meanwhile, thousands of netizens are unknowingly making it easier for thieves to steal their identities by posting individual home pages, family genealogies, and résumés. Sure, there's no harm in posting photographs of Morris or Fido. And only the foolish post a Social Security number on a Web site. But many pages are packed with the sort of details identity thieves crave: full names, birth dates, birthplaces, addresses, occupations, degrees, phone numbers. With the click of a mouse, a thief has a personal dossier at his fingertips. Think about it. A name, birth date, and birthplace will get you a birth certificate, and a driver's license is not far behind. "The driver's license, unfortunately, has become a de facto ID," says Beth Givens, director of the Privacy Rights Clearinghouse in San Diego. It's the key to all sorts of financial services, and it propels a thief closer to the magic number: the Social Security number. Mom's maiden name. Some family tree tracers place details like a mother's maiden name online. That's often a common password for credit cards and bank accounts. Revealing such personal details, says Ed Howard, executive director of the Center for Law in the Public Interest in Los Angeles, is "privacy suicide." As Howard points out, the Internet isn't a toy. Your home page may have hooked you up with a long-lost friend or relative, but it can also put you at risk. Identity-theft victims suffer the aftermath of the criminal's spending sprees for years in the form of calls from collection agencies, ruined credit, even mistaken arrest. While the Internet is a wonderful tool for genealogists (it has revolutionized family research), think again before jeopardizing the privacy of your relatives by putting intimate details up on the Web. "If a family member is going to put up the genealogy, I think they should notify all the living members of that family tree," says Givens--who would prefer her family tree in book form. You'll never have complete control over your personal information, so you'll never be immune to fraud. But why make it easy for someone to impersonate you? If you wouldn't post your background on your local grocery store's bulletin board, don't put it on the Internet. "It's the world's bulletin board," says Carole Lane, author of Naked in Cyberspace: How to Find Personal Information Online (Pemberton Press, 1997, $29.95). And con artists are checking it out. Take a bite out of credit crimes Tip: Identity thieves like to rifle through mailboxes for preapproved credit card and loan solicitations, fill them out, and start using other people's credit. A 1997 amendment to the Fair Credit Reporting Act (the law that governs credit bureaus) required credit bureaus to establish toll-free "opt out" lines that consumers can call to remove their names from those mailing lists. To keep your mailbox free of such identity thief temptations, call any of the three largest credit bureaus: Equifax (800) 556-4711 Experian (800) 353-0809 Trans Union (800) 680-7293

RESEARCHING: County Donegal The family surnames are: McBRIDE, McFadden, Gallagher, Mills, MacPaul, Brogan, Maloney, Carr, Shields, McDermott, Lundy, McDaid, Sweeney, McLaughlin, O'Donald, and Boyce. MsPelican@charleston.net MCBRIDE/MCFADDEN Searching for information on Patrick McBRIDE, b. cira 1850, d. in USA, married Margery _?__may have also been a McBride, b. 1854, d. 1938 Their children: Patrick b. 1878, d. 1951, m. Margery GALLAGHER b. 1880, d. 1964, Annie b. ?d. 1955, James b.1880, d. 1962 (in USA) m. Catherine McFADDEN b. 1877, d. 1949 (in USA), Nellie b. ? d.1968, Madge b. ? d.1969 m. John BOYCE Children of: James McBRIDE & Catherine McFADDEN Patick James b. 1912 d. 1986 (USA), John b. 1913 d. 1975 (USA), Edward b. 1915 d. 1966 (USA). MsPelican@charleston.net

I am afraid I do not know what Memorials are from the Registry of Deeds but would be interested in knowing. I think you can use the equivalent in US Dollars but I thought they used pounds - what are Punts? Ellen Byrne -----Original Message----- From: WmTempCo@aol.com <WmTempCo@aol.com> To: FIANNA-L@rootsweb.com <FIANNA-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Wednesday, June 03, 1998 8:17 AM Subject: [FIANNA-L] Registry of Deeds :Does anyone know how to order copies of Memorials from the Registry of Deeds :in Dublin? I have the form and I know the #'s but the form does not say how :much to send per copy and how much postage to send. Do I need to send in Irish :Punts or can I send the equivalent in US Dollars? :Thanks for information :Bill Coles : : :==== FIANNA Mailing List ==== :The Fianna, where St Patricks's Day is EVERYDAY! :http://www.rootsweb.com/~fianna/ ***Award Winner*** :http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Meadows/4404/ :Need some help getting started with irc (INTERNET RELAY CHAT)? :Try: http://cust2.iamerica.net/pscobb/index.htm :Please turn off your Stationery, Backrounds & HTML! :Messages to list in plain text only! : : :

This letter was sent to the list in HTML format with a stationary backround turned on, so RootsWeb rejected it and only I, the list maintainer received it. All mail sent in nonPLAIN text is rejected by RootsWeb and a lot of list maintainers are not taking the time to forward. PLEASE TURN OFF YOUR HTML!!!! -----Original Message----- From: Louise Croyden <lcroyden@worldchat.com> To: FIANNA-L@rootsweb.com <FIANNA-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Tuesday, June 02, 1998 5:21 PM Subject: [FIANNA-L] Research suggestions needed Greetings from Canada, I would very much appreciate some searching strategies for my BRINKMAN family who emigrated from County Sligo to Canada in 1842. I’m at brick wall stage right now. :-( In the Householders’ Index for County Sligo, there was only one reference to the surname Brinkman in one parish in Sligo which equates to at least one family or more living in that parish. On the actual Tithe Applotment film, I found the BRINKMAN family in CARROWNLEAM TOWNLAND, Sligo County, Leyny Barony, Killoran Parish, Tobercurry Union, Ireland. My g-g-grandfather, William Brinkman, was born in Sligo c1790. Some of the BRINKMANs married into the STEWART/STUART and MULLIGAN families from the same area. By the time the Griffith Valuation tax was done in the 1850's, there was no mention of Brinkman in any parish in Sligo County. Since at least four lines of Brinkmans emigrated around 1842, there may have been no members of the family with the Brinkman surname left in Sligo County after that time (unless there were daughters who had married and stayed there) I also found a pocket of Brinkmans in County Down, Northern Ireland. It is possible, since the surname is so rare, that these people may be related in some way but I have no proof of this. I have hypothesized that the movement may have been from County Down to Sligo, then later, emigration to Canada. There were, however, 2 Brinkman families at the time of the Griffith in County Down. Could someone tell me whether the Brinkman surname was referenced in any other counties at when the Griffith Valuation was done? I checked the Matheson Report and Brinkman is not listed at all which only tells me, if the name existed over there around 1890, there were fewer than 5 births. The name does not appear to be Irish. I have wondered if the name was German/Prussian or Dutch in origin. Would anyone have any ideas of types of documents I could check in order to trace a line back to Germany, for instance. I have looked at some of the books with lists of Palatines but the name has not shown up. They always indicated they were Irish in all legal documents I have found in Canada. Since there do not seem to be many surviving records for the area of Sligo in which I am interested, would there be other levels of documents I could check for information about this family? Any suggestions will be greatly appreciated. Sincerely, Louise (Henderson) Croyden Burlington, Ontario, Canada lcroyden@worldchat.com

Hello all, I have been lurking for quite a while, but my geneology research has been taking a back burner to my job lately and not much progress has been make, however I can answer this question: Seabhacc@aol.com wrote: > > I also read a very interesting story about Fionn and the Fianna by > Morgan > Llewellyn. I may have misspelled her sirname, and I cannot remember > the title > of the book. It is a work of fiction based on the legend, and does > contain a > certain amount of material from Morgan's imagination, but does a very > good job > of bringing alive the legendary band of warriors. Other books by > Morgan > include "Red Branch" (Cuchulain), "Lion Of Ireland" (Brian Boru), and > "Druid" > (the Gallic wars from the Celtic perspective). A person's bookseller > or > librarian should be able to find the book based on this info. The title of Morgan Llewellyn's book on the Fianna is "Finn Mac Cool". She has also written several other books than mentioned here, though I cannot remember the names or look them up as I am at work. I as well very highly recommend reading Llewellyn's books if you are interested in Irish & celtic history. The books are fictional history but due to the tremendous research she has put into them, the history is true and the fiction lets you get to know the characters personally. Finn Mac Cool Researching: FOSTER, McNIELL, HUME Home Page: http://www.telusplanet.net/public/sfoster/stfoster.htm Geneology Page: http://www.telusplanet.net/public/sfoster/geneolog.htm

Have you looked under "Local Names" in Ireland? I would look under Higgins in the county where Daniel was from and under the wife's maiden names. Someone else from the same branch may be looking for them, too, and you may connect that way! Good luck! Maryanne Shannon ---------- > From: DATULL@aol.com > To: FIANNA-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [FIANNA-L] Re: FIANNA-D Digest V98 #113 > Date: Wednesday, June 03, 1998 10:20 AM > > Thanks Ellen and Peg for your help in finding Daniel Higgins. > > Unfortunately he was married in a church, St. Mary's of Waltham, that burned > so the archdiocese has no record of the marriage and the state records did not > record his parents. I am trying hard to find his headstone, but the cemetery > was moved and we think the stones were all buried. I guess I should be happy > that my other lines are so much more cooperative. > > Amy > > > ==== FIANNA Mailing List ==== > Visit both these pages > Fianna favorite sites > http://www.rootsweb.com/~fianna/ ***Award Winner***Thank You Chirho! > http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Meadows/4404/ > Please turn off your Stationery, Backrounds & HTML! > Messages to list in plain text only! > > > >

Thanks Ellen and Peg for your help in finding Daniel Higgins. Unfortunately he was married in a church, St. Mary's of Waltham, that burned so the archdiocese has no record of the marriage and the state records did not record his parents. I am trying hard to find his headstone, but the cemetery was moved and we think the stones were all buried. I guess I should be happy that my other lines are so much more cooperative. Amy

Does anyone know how to order copies of Memorials from the Registry of Deeds in Dublin? I have the form and I know the #'s but the form does not say how much to send per copy and how much postage to send. Do I need to send in Irish Punts or can I send the equivalent in US Dollars? Thanks for information Bill Coles

Hi All, I have a book titled "Celtic Myths and Legends" written by Charles Squire, published in 1997 by Portland House, a division of Random House Value Publishing, Inc.,201 E 50th Street, NY,NY 10022. It contains a very good chapter on Fionn Mac Cumhail (Finn McCool) and the Fianna (Feena). The chapter is way too long for my slow typing skills, but interested persons should be able to order it through their local bookstore. I believe I paid about $20.00 for mine. I also read a very interesting story about Fionn and the Fianna by Morgan Llewellyn. I may have misspelled her sirname, and I cannot remember the title of the book. It is a work of fiction based on the legend, and does contain a certain amount of material from Morgan's imagination, but does a very good job of bringing alive the legendary band of warriors. Other books by Morgan include "Red Branch" (Cuchulain), "Lion Of Ireland" (Brian Boru), and "Druid" (the Gallic wars from the Celtic perspective). A person's bookseller or librarian should be able to find the book based on this info. Enjoy your reading. Seabhacc

Lisa (and all) If anyone has more information on the Fianna and Fionn mac Cumhail, we would like to improve/increase the information on our page at http://www.rootsweb.com/~fianna/history/fianna.html :) THANKS !! Peace. Anne At 11:49 PM 6/2/98 -0700, you wrote: >Hi > >Fianna - In Gaelic Ireland a warrior band, and more specifcally, in Irish >mythology, the group followed the hero Fionn mac Cumhail (Finn McCool - >(responsible in legend for Giants Causeway and Lough Neagh). > >I have some info on Finn McCool here somewhere, if anyone is interested I >will dig it out. > > >Regards > >Lisa > > >HLA@carebear.demon.co.uk http://www.carebear.demon.co.uk > > > > > > >==== FIANNA Mailing List ==== >Need some help getting started with irc (INTERNET RELAY CHAT)? >Try: http://cust2.iamerica.net/pscobb/index.htm >Friend of the Fianna! >Please turn off your Stationery, Backrounds & HTML! >Messages to list in plain text only! > > > > > > chirho@prodigy.net http://www.rootsweb.com/~fianna/ http://www.hoseahouse.org/

Hello O'Brien Researchers, I am looking to contact any O'BRIEN family researchers whose roots lie in Ballyporeen, Co. Tipperary, Ireland. In particular, I wish to link up with those whose descendants emigrated from Ireland to Australia in the 1800's. Some O'Briens settled in Capella, Queensland, others in Maryborough, Queensland and possibly the initial O'Brien settlement was in Gympie, Queensland. My association, as a child, was with the O'Briens who settled in Gympie. I visited the Ballyporeen/Clogheen area in 1995 and "walked in the footsteps" of my ancestors. There is a Stained Glass Window in the Church of the Assumption, Ballyporeen dedicated to an ancestor, Thomas O'Brien. In 1995 I visited an O'Brien family in Gorteeshal (adjoins Glenacunna) and a relative, Bart Corbett, in the same Townland who showed me some Caplice family home ruins. My GGGrandmother Alice O'Brien was married to a Michael O'Donnell and they lived in the Townland of Glenacunna at the time of Griffith's Valuation. Michael lived to 105 and died in 1877. I hope that there are some O'Briens on the net who will enable me to link our various families who came to Australia in the last century and of course to relate to those still in Ireland. I hope that this posting will be fruitful. Brian <brianjhickey@msn.com> AUSTRALIA <http://www.familytreemaker.com/users/h/i/c/Brian-J-Hickey

Hi Fianna - In Gaelic Ireland a warrior band, and more specifcally, in Irish mythology, the group followed the hero Fionn mac Cumhail (Finn McCool - (responsible in legend for Giants Causeway and Lough Neagh). I have some info on Finn McCool here somewhere, if anyone is interested I will dig it out. Regards Lisa HLA@carebear.demon.co.uk http://www.carebear.demon.co.uk

Hi Any answers to Tracies query I would love to hear :o) My mother seems to think that people would have been able to bob back and forth. An example, I have a birth in Glasgow but all other family events, including the marriage before this, are in Ireland. I'll let you know if I discover anything. > Would anyone know if records were kept (early 1800s) by SCT >and IRL concerning sailings between the two countries? (I can't really >tell from my maps just how long the journey would have been, nor >what types of vessels would have been required.) Any info appreciated! >Thanks, >Tracie Regards Lisa HLA@carebear.demon.co.uk http://www.carebear.demon.co.uk

The most useful surviving lists are those made in the country of arrival, not of departure. National Archives staff in Washington. DC, will only search the immigration passenger lists up to 1954 if an inquirer can give the full names and ages of the passenger and of accompanying passengers, the port of entry, the vessel, and exact date of arrival. Requests for searches should be made on NATF Form 81, Order for Copies of Ship Passenger Arrival Records. You can order Form 181 at http://www.nara.gov/regional/mprsf181.html. You can do-it-yourself at the local Family History Centers, especially on the unindexed New York lists. The FHL has acquired 99% of National Archives passenger records. Not all persons who entered the United States appear on the available passenger lists. Some lists were lost. Some ship captains probably did not record all passengers on the lists for one reason or another. Indexers do not always spell names correctly, often because the original version of the name was illegible. Since no index is 100% accurate, the only way to be certain whether or not a name is in the actual record is to search the record itself. Go to the following for a Guide to Research: Immigration and Ship Passengers Lists http://home.att.net/~arnielang/shipgide.html Here is the url for The National Archives, with links to information available on all ports and the appropriate microfilm series. http://www.nara.gov/publications/microfilm/immigrant/immpass.html#portindex Here are the Family History Library Catalog numbers. Index to passenger lists of vessels arriving at New York, June 16, 1897-June 30, 1902 ; Index (soundex) to passenger lists of vessels arriving at New York, July 1,1902 -December 31, 1943 ; Passenger and crew lists of vessels arriving at New York, 1897-1924.( T0621) (T0715) (T0519) FHLC# 0543449 Index (soundex) to passenger lists of vessels arriving at New York, July 1, 1902-December 31, 1943 (T0621) FHLC # 1379501 Passenger and crew lists of vessels arriving at New York, 1897-1924. (T0715) FHLC# 1403751 Register of vessels arriving at the Port of New York from foreign ports,1789-1919. (M1066) FHLC# 1415143 Passenger Lists of Vessels Arriving at New York, NY, 1820--1897. (M237) FHLC # 0002246 Passenger and crew lists of vessels arriving at New York, 1897-1924.(T715) FHLC # 1403751 Passenger lists of vessels arriving at New York, 1820-1897 ; index to passenger lists of vessels arriving in New York, 1820-1846.(Microcopy 237) ( Microcopy 261) FHLC # 0350204 Book indexes to New York City passenger lists, April 1906-September 1920.(T612) Film # 1463601 Ellen

Start with the US Census as it has the date and status of immigration (1910, 1920, 1900). What immigration papers are you expecting to find? Passenger lists? Naturalization (few women were naturalized on their own as they did not have the vote)? Ellen

Do it yourself!!! The FHLC has the microfilms. Go to the Locality search for the county and then look through the Topics (F6) for something which might be appropriate. Ellen

Hi Amy, I don't recall the year of the marriage (or details) but did you check the Waltham records (besides the state)? Sometimes there are differences. I'm in MA. If you want to send me the details, I could take a look. Peg At 11:20 AM 6/3/98 EDT, you wrote: >Thanks Ellen and Peg for your help in finding Daniel Higgins. > >Unfortunately he was married in a church, St. Mary's of Waltham, that burned >so the archdiocese has no record of the marriage and the state records did not >record his parents. I am trying hard to find his headstone, but the cemetery >was moved and we think the stones were all buried. I guess I should be happy >that my other lines are so much more cooperative. > >Amy > > >==== FIANNA Mailing List ==== >Visit both these pages >Fianna favorite sites >http://www.rootsweb.com/~fianna/ ***Award Winner***Thank You Chirho! >http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Meadows/4404/ >Please turn off your Stationery, Backrounds & HTML! >Messages to list in plain text only! > > > > > >

Don't send messages in all-caps. Only surnames.

Killishandra parish, except townlands of Corranea. Glebe and Drumberry, is available as 1841 Irish Census Remnants FHLC#0100831 thru 0100838. The rest of us can read it and weep for what was lost. Ellen

My lucky break was in the RC register of the marriage (which I had learned from the civil records) which named the parents of both paries. The Archdiocese of Boston Archives welcomes researchers to examine records held there themselves. The staff will do the research at the rate of $25 per hour. Before doing so, they need a written request detailing the information desired. They will send an estimate for the cost of the research. Donations to the Archives are gratefully received. The Archives holds baptismal and marriage records for about 140 parishes in existence before 1910. First Communion and Confirmation records dated before 1910 are only held for some of the parishes. Very few death and burial but cemetery records exist. There is no central index of names of recipients of the Sacraments in Boston. Therefore, you must include either the name of the parish or the officiating priest with your request. If you supply the family’s address, they may be able to identify the parish where the sacrament was administered. You can find the address, which is listed alphabetically by family surname, in the appropriate yearly edition of the Boston City Directory or in the directories of the appropriate city or town. Contact the local library for information on how to obtain microfilm copies of these directories. The Church records do not contain the place or county of origin in Ireland or elsewhere. Family relationships, other than the parents of the baby baptized, are not recorded. The ages, addresses or occupations of individuals are not recorded. First Communion and Confirmation only have the names of children and the officiating priest. Another source of genealogical information is civil records held by the cities and towns. These vital records are easily accessible because of alphabetical indexes. The civil marriage records will have the name of the priest and the parish. Birth records have the address of the parents at the time of the event. For records through 1895, write directly to the Massachusetts State Archives, Columbia Point, Dorchester MA 02125; the records after 1895 are kept at the Bureau of Vital Statistics, 470 Atlantic Ave., Boston MA 02210. Alternatively, you may contact the individual city or town halls. Ellen