Hi- I have a question concerning Irish names. One obscure (and rarely believed) family story suggests my ancestor was orphaned as a child in Dublin. In looking at the names he and his wife later give their children (beginning in the 1840s), and comparing them to the names I've recently found for the wife's family, it appears they may have named them after HER parents, siblings, etc. My question then is, was the custom of naming their children after other BLOOD relatives strong enough back then that they would have rejected any names-out-of-a-hat, or names of significant non-family members in the husband's life? This may seem trivial, but depending on the significance of names, it could help me determine if he really was orphaned. Thanks for any musings, Tracie

When one is replying to a question I can understand the necessity for reference to be made to the question. However, is it absolutely necessary for 'original messages' to be repeated in full? Surely a simple cross reference to the specific message number should be all that is required. Latterly, I seem to be spending more time reading and deleting 'original messages' than I do in reading new submissions. To use Fianna Digest, Vol 98, Issue 121 as an example: by deleting the 'original messages', I reduced the overall size of the newsletter from 17792 bytes to less than 5600 bytes - an appreciable saving of disk space. As I firmly believe that the content of our Newsletter should be mainly genealogical,I have no wish to see the next few Newsletters full of responses to the above comments. However, should anyone wish to respond, I should be quite happy for them to do so direct to my own e-mail address. I would be interested to see if anyone else shares my feelings. Regards to all. Peter J Browne >From the old (and wet) seaside resort of Southport, UK.

Maureen O'Brien wrote on Monday 8 June 1998 1:31:26 "Where is Garryricken?" Garryrickin (Note "in") is in Co. Kilkenny, virtually on the border between Kilkenny and Tipperary. It would be about 4 miles south of Callan (Co. Kilkenny). Brian <brianjhickey@msn.com> AUSTRALIA <http://www.familytreemaker.com/users/h/i/c/Brian-J-Hickey

Tonight, while making one of my occasional vain attempts to clear off my desk and its surround environs, I came across a letter which I had forgotten I had in my possesion. It was written to my grandmother in 1939 (the day after "poor Tom" - my grandfather - died - see below). What caught my eye is both how the letter starts (My Dear Sister Mary,...) and some information at the end. I am wondering if anyone familiar with all things Irish would like to take a stab at my question: One of my current problems is that I have forgotten where my grandmother (paternal) came from aside from Co. Waterford. The letter below is most likely from a sister-IN-LAW, not a sister (her surname at the end is O'Brien, my grandmother's maiden name is McGrath and married name is O'Brien and Bridget is living on the old O'Brien farm), although that is how she starts the letter. I won't drag it out any longer (remind you of asking for directions in Ireland?): 1) How possible is it that Bridget O'Brien is both her sister-in-law and her sister? (i.e., two sisters marrying two brothers?) Or would it have been common for sisters-in-law to refer to each other as sisters?; 2) Is Garryricken (couldn't make out the spelling) [last paragraph] possibly in Waterford or is it in Kilkenny? I am wondering if this could be where my grandmother was from. I did little editing except to put periods where it seemed the end of a sentence was supposed to be, heh heh. The letter follows: Maureen O'Brien Ballynacroney Pilltown Co Kilkenny Ireland January 12 1939 My Dear Sister Mary, I got your welcome letter & lovely card a few days before Xmas also Kitty. We were so glad to hear from you but sorry to hear that Tom is not well but hope he is better now. We are praying for him that he will be spared longer to you although he is such a good age it seems long but to look back it is nothing the longest life is but a shadow. I am sure you heard from John & Alice. They are both keeping well although poor Alice is in bed all the time. She keeps very cheerful. I didn't see her now for the past 2 months. We had very severe weather but am going to see her next week please God. Her grandchildren are quite big boys now. They are able to take bicycles down here in the summer time. Kitty's going to Carrick-on-Suir all the time coming home every night rather hard this weather but she is used to it now. She has done it every day for 7 years now except the Holidays. It is all right in the summer time. Well we are all getting on very well Thank God. The boys are working away. I think Tommy is going to be a farmer although I thought he would do something else he got such a good education. But he is only inclined for work on the land so that he will have to do. If we could get some land near we would buy some for him. It might be better than going to the towns. All I would want is to keep them good. They are good at present and that is the chief thing. It is well for them to be able to stay in the old land I hope they won't regret it as poor Tom regrets having to leave it. I hope you will write soon again & tell [how] poor Tom is. When I go to Garryricken[sp?] next week we will have a great talk about you all as Alice remembers everything that happened in the old days at home. All the old people here would be glad to hear that about you and Tom. Some knew you. This will be a great year in America I am sure there will be a lot of Irish people for the Exhibition. I will finish now with lots of love and best wishes for a Happy and prosperous 1939 to all the Family From your sister, niece & nephews Bridget O'Brien <nofill>

Hi i'm looking for info on my maternal gmother. Annie NEARY circa 1854-55, in Ireland. She had a sister Sarah circa 1850-51, also born in Ireland. Those are the only 2 Neary's I know. Annie died in 1927, in Easthampton, MA. Her sister died 1941 in Scranton, PA. Neither death certificate identified the place of birth. J.J.McDermott

Greetings from a wet 'n' windy UK (how could it be otherwise during the Great British Summertime!) Re. message that you are researching Gallagher in Co. Donegal. My mother's sister is married to a Frank Gallagher, but I don't know which part of Donegal he is from. Any further information should be easy to get. Let me know if I can be of any help. Sarah

At 01:42 PM 6/7/98 -0700, you wrote: >Greetings from a wet 'n' windy UK (how could it be otherwise during the >Great British Summertime!) > >Re. message that you are researching Gallagher in Co. Donegal. > >My mother's sister is married to a Frank Gallagher, but I don't know >which part of Donegal he is from. Any further information should be >easy to get. > >Let me know if I can be of any help. > >Sarah Hi Sarah: Don't know if your reply to the fianna-l was directed to me or not..."Re. message that you are researching Gallagher in Co. Donegal. My mother's sister is married to a Frank Gallagher, but I don't know which part of Donegal he is from. Any further information should be easy to get. Let me know if I can be of any help." BUT since my Grandfather's brother married a GALLAGHER I thought I would respond: Patrick McBRIDE b. 1878, d. 1951 married Margery GALLAGHER b. 1880, d. 1964 Their children: Patrick b. 1909 d. 1993 married Annie MILLS Catherine b. ?, d. 1938 married John MACPAUL Michael (no info) Madge married Michael CARR Dan b. 1920, d 1989 married Bridget SWEENEY James married Margaret MCLAUGHLIN Many thanks for your offer of help!!!!! > > >==== FIANNA Mailing List ==== >Visit both these pages >Fianna favorite sites >http://www.rootsweb.com/~fianna/ ***Award Winner***Thank You Chirho! >http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Meadows/4404/ >Please turn off your Stationery, Backrounds & HTML! >Messages to list in plain text only! > > > > > MsPelican@charleston.net

Dear Friends and fellow researchers, It has been called to my attention that some folks can't get onto the Fianna site at http://www.rootsweb.com/~fianna/ because of the way I rated it. The questions for violence include: "Humans killing humans" (no distinctions re: picures, text or other) and because the history section does discuss wars and uprisings, that material is present verbally. There are not, and will not be, pictures of "blood and gore" on the site, but facts are facts and folks did die in those risings, rebellions, etc. as well as some being executed. Personally I would prefer to have not rated it quite this way, but now that you know the cause for the rating, you should be able to enter your supervising password and your browser should let you on the site. If anyone is unable to do so, let me know. Peace. Anne chirho@prodigy.net http://www.rootsweb.com/~fianna/ http://www.hoseahouse.org/

Hi Folks; I am looking for information on Francis Lipsett, he left Ballyshannon in 1840 for Canada. Possibly to Owen Sound. Anything, wife, children, siblings, parents, occupation. Whatever can be found, or if you can tell me how to get it. Thank you very much ! Tonya Also, can anyone tell me about Major General Louis James Lipsett commander of the 3rd. Canadian Division. I have lots of service information, would like personal, wife, children, siblings, parents Also came from Balltshannon, Ireland Time period 1903. Thank you Tonya

Oh, yes, there were ocean size ships in that harbour. Good luck on your research. As a matter of fact would you send me what you have about that harbour as my g-g-g-g grandfather sailed for America from a point not far from Omagh,Co Tyrone - I think that Londonderry is closer, but I don't want to rule out any possibilities. Cynthia DODD Russell crussell@traversecity.com Northern Michigan Researching FERGUS . . . . DODD . . . . Co Tyrone, IRE 1752+ Loudon Co, VA 1760 to Phil, PA 1770 to Zanesville, OH >-----Original Message----- >From: Tonya Lebo <tonlebo@sunlink.net> >To: FIANNA-L@rootsweb.com <FIANNA-L@rootsweb.com> >Date: Sunday, June 07, 1998 9:30 AM >Subject: Re: [FIANNA-L] Donegal > > >>Hi Cynthia; >>Thank you for the answer. Would you say, since seeing it, that the >second >>would be large enough to have a ship come and pick up 35 plus families in >1818? >>Thank you >>Tonya >> >>Cynthia N. Russell wrote: >> >>> Killybegs: >>> >>> There are two! Killybegs in Ulster, one in Northern Ireland is located in >Co >>> Antrim, about 5-8 miles north of the Belfast International Airport. Find >>> Ballymena on the map and then head about a mile south. It is a wee spot. >>> >>> The other Killybegs is a charming small seaport town in Co Donegal. I >>> visited there in March while staying in nearby Kilcar. To find this >>> Killybegs look on the map to find Donegal town, then head west on the N56 >>> for about a 15 minute drive. I would guess that the main industry there >is >>> fishing, as there were large fishing vessels and ships in the harbour as >I >>> arrived on the evening of St. Paddy's Day - all were in port celebrating. >>> The next day all were out to sea! >>> >>> Cynthia DODD Russell >>> crussell@traversecity.com >>> Northern Michigan >>> Researching FERGUS . . . . DODD . . . . >>> Co Tyrone, IRE 1752+ Loudon Co, VA 1760 >>> to Phil, PA 1770 to Zanesville, OH >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Tonya Lebo <tonlebo@sunlink.net> >>> To: FIANNA-L@rootsweb.com <FIANNA-L@rootsweb.com> >>> Date: Saturday, June 06, 1998 9:28 PM >>> Subject: [FIANNA-L] Donegal >>> >>> >Hi; >>> >Can anyone tell me anything about the ports Kellybeggs and Derryonkegd? >>> >Locations, is it still the same name? Are they still being used? >>> >Thank you >>> >Tonya >>> > >>> > >>> >==== FIANNA Mailing List ==== >>> >The Fianna, friends helping friends! >>> >http://www.rootsweb.com/~fianna/ ***Award Winner*** >>> >http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Meadows/4404/ >>> >Please turn off your Stationery, Backrounds & HTML! >>> >Messages to list in plain text only! >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> >>> ==== FIANNA Mailing List ==== >>> Visit both these pages >>> Fianna favorite sites >>> http://www.rootsweb.com/~fianna/ ***Award Winner***Thank You Chirho! >>> http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Meadows/4404/ >>> Please turn off your Stationery, Backrounds & HTML! >>> Messages to list in plain text only! >> >> >> >> >>==== FIANNA Mailing List ==== >>Irish Researchers helping Irish Researchers >>Irish research in the United States and in Ireland! >> >>http://www.rootsweb.com/~fianna/ ***Award Winner*** Thanks to Chirho >>http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Meadows/4404/ >> >> >> >> > > >==== FIANNA Mailing List ==== >The Fianna, friends helping friends! >http://www.rootsweb.com/~fianna/ ***Award Winner*** >http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Meadows/4404/ >Please turn off your Stationery, Backrounds & HTML! >Messages to list in plain text only! > > >

Oh, yes, there were ocean size ships in that harbour. Good luck on your research. As a matter of fact would you send me what you have about that harbour as my g-g-g-g grandfather sailed for America from a point not far from Omagh,Co Tyrone - I think that Londonderry is closer, but I don't want to rule out any possibilities. Cynthia DODD Russell crussell@traversecity.com Northern Michigan Researching FERGUS . . . . DODD . . . . Co Tyrone, IRE 1752+ Loudon Co, VA 1760 to Phil, PA 1770 to Zanesville, OH -----Original Message----- From: Tonya Lebo <tonlebo@sunlink.net> To: FIANNA-L@rootsweb.com <FIANNA-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Sunday, June 07, 1998 9:30 AM Subject: Re: [FIANNA-L] Donegal >Hi Cynthia; >Thank you for the answer. Would you say, since seeing it, that the second >would be large enough to have a ship come and pick up 35 plus families in 1818? >Thank you >Tonya > >Cynthia N. Russell wrote: > >> Killybegs: >> >> There are two! Killybegs in Ulster, one in Northern Ireland is located in Co >> Antrim, about 5-8 miles north of the Belfast International Airport. Find >> Ballymena on the map and then head about a mile south. It is a wee spot. >> >> The other Killybegs is a charming small seaport town in Co Donegal. I >> visited there in March while staying in nearby Kilcar. To find this >> Killybegs look on the map to find Donegal town, then head west on the N56 >> for about a 15 minute drive. I would guess that the main industry there is >> fishing, as there were large fishing vessels and ships in the harbour as I >> arrived on the evening of St. Paddy's Day - all were in port celebrating. >> The next day all were out to sea! >> >> Cynthia DODD Russell >> crussell@traversecity.com >> Northern Michigan >> Researching FERGUS . . . . DODD . . . . >> Co Tyrone, IRE 1752+ Loudon Co, VA 1760 >> to Phil, PA 1770 to Zanesville, OH >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Tonya Lebo <tonlebo@sunlink.net> >> To: FIANNA-L@rootsweb.com <FIANNA-L@rootsweb.com> >> Date: Saturday, June 06, 1998 9:28 PM >> Subject: [FIANNA-L] Donegal >> >> >Hi; >> >Can anyone tell me anything about the ports Kellybeggs and Derryonkegd? >> >Locations, is it still the same name? Are they still being used? >> >Thank you >> >Tonya >> > >> > >> >==== FIANNA Mailing List ==== >> >The Fianna, friends helping friends! >> >http://www.rootsweb.com/~fianna/ ***Award Winner*** >> >http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Meadows/4404/ >> >Please turn off your Stationery, Backrounds & HTML! >> >Messages to list in plain text only! >> > >> > >> > >> >> ==== FIANNA Mailing List ==== >> Visit both these pages >> Fianna favorite sites >> http://www.rootsweb.com/~fianna/ ***Award Winner***Thank You Chirho! >> http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Meadows/4404/ >> Please turn off your Stationery, Backrounds & HTML! >> Messages to list in plain text only! > > > > >==== FIANNA Mailing List ==== >Irish Researchers helping Irish Researchers >Irish research in the United States and in Ireland! > >http://www.rootsweb.com/~fianna/ ***Award Winner*** Thanks to Chirho >http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Meadows/4404/ > > > >

Hi Cynthia; Thank you for the answer. Would you say, since seeing it, that the second would be large enough to have a ship come and pick up 35 plus families in 1818? Thank you Tonya Cynthia N. Russell wrote: > Killybegs: > > There are two! Killybegs in Ulster, one in Northern Ireland is located in Co > Antrim, about 5-8 miles north of the Belfast International Airport. Find > Ballymena on the map and then head about a mile south. It is a wee spot. > > The other Killybegs is a charming small seaport town in Co Donegal. I > visited there in March while staying in nearby Kilcar. To find this > Killybegs look on the map to find Donegal town, then head west on the N56 > for about a 15 minute drive. I would guess that the main industry there is > fishing, as there were large fishing vessels and ships in the harbour as I > arrived on the evening of St. Paddy's Day - all were in port celebrating. > The next day all were out to sea! > > Cynthia DODD Russell > crussell@traversecity.com > Northern Michigan > Researching FERGUS . . . . DODD . . . . > Co Tyrone, IRE 1752+ Loudon Co, VA 1760 > to Phil, PA 1770 to Zanesville, OH > -----Original Message----- > From: Tonya Lebo <tonlebo@sunlink.net> > To: FIANNA-L@rootsweb.com <FIANNA-L@rootsweb.com> > Date: Saturday, June 06, 1998 9:28 PM > Subject: [FIANNA-L] Donegal > > >Hi; > >Can anyone tell me anything about the ports Kellybeggs and Derryonkegd? > >Locations, is it still the same name? Are they still being used? > >Thank you > >Tonya > > > > > >==== FIANNA Mailing List ==== > >The Fianna, friends helping friends! > >http://www.rootsweb.com/~fianna/ ***Award Winner*** > >http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Meadows/4404/ > >Please turn off your Stationery, Backrounds & HTML! > >Messages to list in plain text only! > > > > > > > > ==== FIANNA Mailing List ==== > Visit both these pages > Fianna favorite sites > http://www.rootsweb.com/~fianna/ ***Award Winner***Thank You Chirho! > http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Meadows/4404/ > Please turn off your Stationery, Backrounds & HTML! > Messages to list in plain text only!

Killybegs: There are two! Killybegs in Ulster, one in Northern Ireland is located in Co Antrim, about 5-8 miles north of the Belfast International Airport. Find Ballymena on the map and then head about a mile south. It is a wee spot. The other Killybegs is a charming small seaport town in Co Donegal. I visited there in March while staying in nearby Kilcar. To find this Killybegs look on the map to find Donegal town, then head west on the N56 for about a 15 minute drive. I would guess that the main industry there is fishing, as there were large fishing vessels and ships in the harbour as I arrived on the evening of St. Paddy's Day - all were in port celebrating. The next day all were out to sea! Cynthia DODD Russell crussell@traversecity.com Northern Michigan Researching FERGUS . . . . DODD . . . . Co Tyrone, IRE 1752+ Loudon Co, VA 1760 to Phil, PA 1770 to Zanesville, OH -----Original Message----- From: Tonya Lebo <tonlebo@sunlink.net> To: FIANNA-L@rootsweb.com <FIANNA-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Saturday, June 06, 1998 9:28 PM Subject: [FIANNA-L] Donegal >Hi; >Can anyone tell me anything about the ports Kellybeggs and Derryonkegd? >Locations, is it still the same name? Are they still being used? >Thank you >Tonya > > >==== FIANNA Mailing List ==== >The Fianna, friends helping friends! >http://www.rootsweb.com/~fianna/ ***Award Winner*** >http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Meadows/4404/ >Please turn off your Stationery, Backrounds & HTML! >Messages to list in plain text only! > > >

Hi; Can anyone tell me anything about the ports Kellybeggs and Derryonkegd? Locations, is it still the same name? Are they still being used? Thank you Tonya

Everyone, I have been reminded by a dear friend that I should be telling you all about SPAM and Virus Warnings, but I think the two ladies below do it best. The first, and most important, URL to visit is our own Fianna Website! Chirho does an outstanding job of answering all of your Internet questions at: http://www.rootsweb.com/~fianna/faq/index.html Cyndi has a newish site titled "Things You Should Know About the Internet:" http://www.cyndislist.com/internet.htm which includes the topics: Computer Viruses ,Cookies, E-mail Chain-Letters, Folklore, Hoaxes, Misunderstandings & Scams, Incompatibility Issues Online, Internet & Computer Terminology, Netiquette Newbies, Privacy Issues, Spam. I would suggest this is as another place to go to if you have questions about virus warnings, as we do not need them posted to our mail lists. In case you didn't know passing on virus warnings is SPAM PS Thanks So Much for these sites,Chirho and Cyndi! They really, really a help! Hope this helps Sincerely, Laura L Schmidt schmidtm@3-cities.com list maintainer: Franklin Co WA: WaFrankl-L@rootsweb.com Irish Research: Fianna-L@rootsweb.com SC Genealogy: SC-Genealogy-L@rootsweb.com web page coordinator: Franklin Co, WA: http://www.rootsweb.com/~wafrankl/franklin.htm

Waterlilys@aol.com wrote: <<Today while sorting through photos I took while in Ireland I found a cemetery marker in Brandon, Dingle Peninsula, Co Kerry,>> I've only just recently found out my famine era emigrant ancestors were from the Mt Brandon area of the Dingle peninsula.... the "Dingle O'connors" as they were mentioned in one book...one of which was born on a cliff on Mt Brandon ... in fact my emigrant ancestor said his place of birth was MT Brandon which made the search more frustrating, as there was no Mt Brandon townland back then... although I know there is a Brandon now... I did finally find out they were from the West side of the mountain in a tiny place called Clash in Kilquane and Garrane in Kilmalkedar parishes. anyway... any chance you might have a photo of Mt Brandon? or Connor Pass maybe? all the picture books of Kerry I've seen show the Ring of Kerry and another mountain... but not Brandon. It may be a while before I can ever get to Dingle ... just aching to see a picture of the mountain...or the area mary oconnor tossell O'Connor/Martin/FitzGerald/Moriarty West Dingle Co Kerry Heffron/Murphy Hollymount, Co Mayo Brattleboro & Putney Vt, Hartford, Ct

Another Saga of NICHOLAS PURCELL Born 30 DEC. 1835 TIPPERARY?, IRELAND. Died Newburgh, N.Y. 3Mar. 1885. Married to ANNE RYAN, Also born in Ireland. D/O PATRICK AND MARGARET RYAN. I talked to a cousin last night who I have never met. I asked her if her grand mother ever told her anything about NICHOLAS PURCELL, traditionally wise. Her grandmother was the sister of my grandmother and both daughters of NICHOLAS PURCELL. She repeated exactly what my grandmother told me Verbatum. NICHOLAS PURCELL had two or three brothers.(First names of brothers and father not known) The father was a SQUIRE who owned a lot of land and was well off and raised horses and dogs(Wolfhounds?). According to Irish tradition the estate was always left to the older male child. NICHOLAS and his other younger brother were left out of the will and came to America. NICHOLAS came to N.Y. and the other brother went to CANADA who eventually came well off in some sort of business. They both came over prior to 1860. SOooooo, any of you CANADIANS KNOW OF A WELL OFF PURCELL. And you Irishmen and woman know of a SQIIRE who raised horses and dogs in Tipperary around 1834. Also mentioned was a Col. NICHOLAS PURCELL, BARRON OF LOUGHMOE CASTLE up around TEMPLEMORE, 1690. charles chic@ewol.com

The Ffolliott records are available from any LDS FHC. I ordered copies from the County cork Library and then stumbled onto the index at the FHC. If needed I can probably find the numbers of the films. Sharry - The Index to Perogative Wills book is pretty widely available ( I think) I found it in the library in Pittsfield, Mass (I live in CT). Bill - I am looking for the will of Michael Sarsfield of Charleville (Co. Cork) dated 1804. If you could find the appropriate films I would greatly appreciate it! Amy in CT (LEAHY, HEALY, LOUGHLIN, DRISCOLL, RUSSELL, SARSFIELD, HANLEY, HICKEY all of County Cork, HIGGINS, CONNAUGHTON, CLASBY, LYON, COSGROVE, RYAN all of county Galway)

Amy, where did you find the "Index to Perogative Wills" book? Thanks in advance for the info:) Blessings Sharry DATULL@aol.com wrote: > > I have found one of my ancestors wills in the Index to Perogative Wills book - > now how do I get the will (or the extract as I believe the originals are > gone)? > > Amy > > ==== FIANNA Mailing List ==== > Need some help getting started with irc (INTERNET RELAY CHAT)? > Try: http://cust2.iamerica.net/pscobb/index.htm > Friend of the Fianna! > Please turn off your Stationery, Backrounds & HTML! > Messages to list in plain text only!

Just thought I would share this info in case you want to refer to VIRUS warnings. . . Cynthia DODD Russell crussell@traversecity.com Northern Michigan Researching FERGUS . . . . DODD . . . . Co Tyrone, IRE 1752+ Loudon Co, VA 1760 to Phil, PA 1770 to Zanesville, OH