Hi Everybody, Does anybody out there know precisely what a "Hearth Money Roll" is? I was under the impression that it was a tax based on chimneys or whatever.Now I'm not so sure. Perhaps it is some sort of index or register. Can anybody put my mind at rest. Thanks in anticipation. Frank Neeson, Melbourne, Australia

John, You need to be aware of the Casey Collection, a massive amount of gen. info compiled at the instance of an Amercian pathologist named Casey, for a specific part of Co. Cork (basically its NW corner). It is described on the IGSI webpage and has been microfilmed by the LDS. Sharon Carberry

J.J.- In the CD, Index to the Griffith's Valuation, there were 25 households headed by a McDERMOTT and 4 households headed by a McDERMOT. JJ May God Bless You and Keep You [email protected] -----Original Message----- From: Jerome J McDermott <[email protected]> To: [email protected] <[email protected]> Date: Sunday, March 21, 1999 9:26 PM Subject: [FIANNA-L] McDERMOTT'S >Where there any McDERMOTT'S in Kildare Co. >J.J.McDermott > >______________________________

I have a Duggan family from possibly the Kilkenny area, but am not sure. Julia Duggan, father Timothy, married Timothy Kennedy and moved to VErmont. I am collecting any and all Duggan Data I can find - if you could ship some to me it would be most appreciated. Patty[ >>> "Guiliano's" <[email protected]> 03/21 11:33 AM >>> I've looked at several parish registers from the FHC, trying to find my Duggans and Dixons. In the process, I have complied a DATABASE of about 75 Duggan/Dougan/Dixon births, marriages and burials from 4 different Counties in Ireland. Most of the records are early 1800's. If you'd like me to check this for any of "your" names. just e-mail me. If you're like me and clueless <g>, e-mail me privately and I'll send you the list as an attachment. Jan Guiliano: [email protected] ==== FIANNA Mailing List ==== Need some help getting started with irc (INTERNET RELAY CHAT)? Try: http://www.rare.on.ca/users/genealogyforum/index.htm

Guiliano's wrote: > > I've looked at several parish registers from the FHC, trying to find my > Duggans and Dixons. In the process, I have complied a DATABASE of about 75 > Duggan/Dougan/Dixon births, marriages and burials from 4 different Counties > in Ireland. Most of the records are early 1800's. If you'd like me to check > this for any of "your" names. just e-mail me. If you're like me and > clueless <g>, e-mail me privately and I'll send you the list as an > attachment. > Jan Guiliano: [email protected] > > ==== FIANNA Mailing List ==== > Need some help getting started with irc (INTERNET RELAY CHAT)? > Try: http://www.rare.on.ca/users/genealogyforum/index.htm Hi, Does this include any Dickson's?

Where there any McDERMOTT'S in Kildare Co. J.J.McDermott

I'm trying to find info onmy CASEY line from IRELAND. I have several CASEY's , most of them born about 1855-1880 in Derryfinnan, Co Cork. Several immagrated to the US, but some stayed in IRE. Is anyone else researching the Casey line from that part of IRE with these dates? JOHN(NAPA,CA) ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866]

I've looked at several parish registers from the FHC, trying to find my Duggans and Dixons. In the process, I have complied a DATABASE of about 75 Duggan/Dougan/Dixon births, marriages and burials from 4 different Counties in Ireland. Most of the records are early 1800's. If you'd like me to check this for any of "your" names. just e-mail me. If you're like me and clueless <g>, e-mail me privately and I'll send you the list as an attachment. Jan Guiliano: [email protected]

I had to comment on Joan's reply. I work for our church doing a lot of stuff for our minister. Last week he had to conduct funeral services for a man who's parents were from Ireland. He had an Irish wake instead of a funeral. The minister told me it was really a nice change from the regular funeral services and it seamed to him that people had so much more closure upon leaving than normally. It was fun, enlightening, and everyone got to share special things about this man that would have normally gone unsaid. It deffinately made me want to consider this myself too. When you hear the good side of what I always thought was just a long drawn out affair that would emotionally drain a person, then hear it has almost the opposite effect, it makes you wonder. I wonder if society as a whole is not really hurting themselves by loosing some of these "old" customs. Interesting points to ponder... Just thought I'de share that too on what little I know of Irish wakes. Kay On Saturday, March 20, 1999 11:21 PM, [email protected] [SMTP:[email protected]] wrote: > In a message dated 3/20/99 2:18:15 AM Central Standard Time, FIANNA-D- > [email protected] writes: > > << For whatever reason, wakes moved to Funeral parlors after the war > >> > > I already have the funeral home picked out for my funeral service, because it > has a large "party" room that will be reserved for my wake > I have told family and friends many times that I will have the cost of a big, > big party included in my will, and that EVERYBODY who knows me is to be > invited. Not just to "pay their respects," but to sit a spell and laugh and > talk and eat and drink and maybe, just a little bit, to celebrate my life. > It would be a major compliment to me if they thought it were worth > celebrating! > > The man who owns the funeral home said they built the big room (complete with > adjacent kitchen) for those luncheons or receptions after a funeral when folks > no longer return to the home with the family. But he said he would be > delighted if it were ut to use again as a "wake house." > > And yes, I am of Irish descent, but no one around here is. Not even the people > at our church. > love > joan > > > ==== FIANNA Mailing List ==== > [email protected] > favorite sites: > Try: http://www.rare.on.ca/users/genealogyforum/index.htm > http://www.rootsweb.com/~fianna/ Thanks to Chirho > http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Meadows/4404/ >

You've got the right idea. Congratulations. Tom Foley

What a beautiful sentiment! Long live Irish Culture, despite progress, so to speak. , Donna Cluney

In a message dated 3/20/99 2:18:15 AM Central Standard Time, FIANNA-D- [email protected] writes: << For whatever reason, wakes moved to Funeral parlors after the war >> I already have the funeral home picked out for my funeral service, because it has a large "party" room that will be reserved for my wake I have told family and friends many times that I will have the cost of a big, big party included in my will, and that EVERYBODY who knows me is to be invited. Not just to "pay their respects," but to sit a spell and laugh and talk and eat and drink and maybe, just a little bit, to celebrate my life. It would be a major compliment to me if they thought it were worth celebrating! The man who owns the funeral home said they built the big room (complete with adjacent kitchen) for those luncheons or receptions after a funeral when folks no longer return to the home with the family. But he said he would be delighted if it were ut to use again as a "wake house." And yes, I am of Irish descent, but no one around here is. Not even the people at our church. love joan

Marcy, Since Jamaica was a British colony at the time, my assumption is that the ship really sailed from Liverpool or some other British port, stopped in Ireland en route, and then took passangers or cargo to Jamaica--and possibly southern US ports--before returning via NYC. Your ship's manifest might mention the port the ship sailed from, and possibly whether some passengers were going to Jamaica. Hope this helps. Bill Naughton [email protected] wrote: > > Dear List, > Could anyone help me with this question? I have found my great grandmother on > a ships list. She is listed among 50 other young Irish "spinsters" and > "laborers" all on two consecutive pages of the manifest. All are listed as > Ireland natives. There are others on the boat from other countries. This boat > sailed from Kingston Jamaica to NYC. I know she was traveling from Ireland. > Why did they take them to Jamaica first? > > Does anyone know? > Marcy Byrd > [email protected] > > ==== FIANNA Mailing List ==== > [email protected] > favorite sites: > Try: http://www.rare.on.ca/users/genealogyforum/index.htm > http://www.rootsweb.com/~fianna/ Thanks to Chirho > http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Meadows/4404/

Hello, John: We may be cousins; my gggrandfather was Michael Reardon of Cork. Have you seen my inquiry re: him on this listserve? I'm afraid I don't know of any of "my" Reardons coming to California--they settled in Wisconsin around 1850. Good luck on your research. Michael Haines--San Francisco.

Does anyone else have Riordan lines from Ireland who ended up in the San Francisco, CA area? I have a Matthew Riordan, born 4/10/1854 in Knockroe, Macroom, Cork, IRE who married Margaret Sullivan( also born in IRE abt 1855) and married about 1875. They ended up in San Francisco area where most of their descendants live. Thanks, JOHN(NAPA,CA). ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866]

Joe & Laura Schmidt wrote: > > http://www.toad.net/~sticker/wake.html > http://204.50.177.183/roots/Mythology.htm > > -----Original Message----- > From: Darcy & Larry <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] <[email protected]> > Date: Friday, March 19, 1999 2:50 AM > Subject: [FIANNA-L] irish wakes > > >Hi1 I am looking for info on irish wakes. traditional ones, > >any one know of books or web sites? > >Thanks a bunch > >Darcy > >[email protected] > > > > > >==== FIANNA Mailing List ==== > >Need some help getting started with irc (INTERNET RELAY CHAT)? > >Try: http://www.rare.on.ca/users/genealogyforum/index.htm > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== FIANNA Mailing List ==== > [email protected] > Any queries go here! > List Maintainer: [email protected] > Any complaints go here! > Please turn off your Stationery, Backrounds & HTML! > Messages to list in plain text only! I don't know how traditional they were, but I attended wakes of departed family members from the mid '30's through WWII, when the departed was waked from home. The women remained in the parlor for the most part and the men, after they paid their respects to the departed and the family, headed for the kitchen. On the kitchen table, I remember seeing a handful or two of cigarettes in a bowl. Also on the table, a half a box of cigars, and a couple of bottles of liquor, probably Rye and Irish. At seven thirty or eight o'clock, in would come father Crowley from St Aloysius, to say the Rosary. All the men moved to the parlor or the dining room. After the Rosary, the priest would stop by the kitchen say a few not too serious words, and leave. Some might even sip on a glass of rye before he completed his corporal work of mercy. I stood there among the old and young men, and listened with my mouth open, as they told stories about the departed, especially if the departed was a male. It seemed that there were always a few stories about prohibition, and places they would go to get a drink. There were no tears in the kitchen, except when one of the wives would come to kitchen with a tear, looking for comfort from her husband. Almost every story ended with loud laughter. It was not a time to be too serious or maudlin. While the men are talking one on top of the other, each trying to get his story in before he forgets it, a high whining sound, a sound I would expect to come from a banshee, would come from the parlor. It tapered off to a sobbing moan that continued until it was ignorable. She wasn't even a member of the family, but was a friend that lived in the neighborhood. As the evening wore on someone would be coaxed into singing an Irish song. Men and women stayed until the survivor of the house was exhausted and too tired to do anything but sleep. There were times when someone would stay up all night with the departed, other time not. After the funeral, family and friends returned to the house where good neighbors had dropped off backed beans, ham, potato salad, corned beef and cabbage, fresh baked bread and rolls and more beer and whiskey. Now the survivor was made to get involved, getting napkins, making sure there were enough chairs, busy work. One of the assistant pastors had brought a guitar, and the singing started and the stories started all over again. In time everyone was exhausted from the day and the strain. They all said goodnight and almost every member of the family could be heard saying, "Ya know the only time we get together is a wakes and weddings, We're going to have to get together and a more joyous occasion." Tomorrow was soon enough for the survivor to face the day alone. For whatever reason, wakes moved to Funeral parlors after the war

http://www.toad.net/~sticker/wake.html http://204.50.177.183/roots/Mythology.htm -----Original Message----- From: Darcy & Larry <[email protected]> To: [email protected] <[email protected]> Date: Friday, March 19, 1999 2:50 AM Subject: [FIANNA-L] irish wakes >Hi1 I am looking for info on irish wakes. traditional ones, >any one know of books or web sites? >Thanks a bunch >Darcy >[email protected] > > >==== FIANNA Mailing List ==== >Need some help getting started with irc (INTERNET RELAY CHAT)? >Try: http://www.rare.on.ca/users/genealogyforum/index.htm > > > > > > > > > >

Dear List, Could anyone help me with this question? I have found my great grandmother on a ships list. She is listed among 50 other young Irish "spinsters" and "laborers" all on two consecutive pages of the manifest. All are listed as Ireland natives. There are others on the boat from other countries. This boat sailed from Kingston Jamaica to NYC. I know she was traveling from Ireland. Why did they take them to Jamaica first? Does anyone know? Marcy Byrd [email protected]

Haven't read the book but just saw it referenced in Dennis Ryan's book about the Irish in Boston - Beyond the Ballot Box. Sean O Suilleabhain, Irish Wake Amusements (Cork, 1967) Amy

Matheson listed any surname with 5 or more births registered in 1890. It is the standard for frequency and distribution. You can use the method with a different year from the Index if you wish. Ellen