Good evening listers! Could anyone tell me the name of the Catholic church/churches in Boyle, County Roscommon, where a child might have been baptised circa 1830? I'd love to find other documents on my ggrandfather Robert GAVAGAN's place of birth, but those records weren't being kept at that time, were they? And I can't think of anything else along those lines that I should be seeking, so I'd happily accept any suggestions. Thanks so much, and warm regards to everyone. Fran Weeks

The single most important item of information for Irish family history research is a precise place of origin, and the most important tool in identifying Irish placenames is the 1851 Townlands Index. They've altered their site recently, this is the new URL for any Townland questions : http://www.ireland.com/ancestor/placename/index.cfm http://www.ireland.com/ancestor/placename/index.cfm" Irish Ancestors;Placenames http://www.caughey.demon.co.uk and then click on: Irish Ancestors. This should make it possible for you to search 65,000 Irish placenames. -- Also this incomplete but very handy townland data base here: http://www.ireland.com/ancestor/placename/index.cfm http://www.thecore.com/cgi-bin/ire-srch IreAtlas TOWNLAND DATA BASE http://www.expediamaps.com/PlaceFinder.asp Can get to parish level but not townlands. Ellen

Hi Coolmore is on Donegal Bay coast , north of Bundoran.

My gg-grandparents acquired land in Wisconsin through a quit-claim deed in 1875. If I could find a land abstract what would that tell me and where would I obtain an abstract? I have the legal description of the land. I am hoping to learn more about my gg-grandparents. The quit-claim deed didn't provide a lot of info except names and money amount. Or does anyone have any other suggestions? Colleen

I am new to the list and am looking for a village, town or parish near Londonderry called Coolmore around 1800. If anyone knows of such a place or something that sounds similar, I would very much appreciate hearing from you. Thank you. Diane Whitwood Towanda, Illinois DORRIS (DORES), MCCAULEY, WRIGHT, ADAMS

> >Looking for anyone that might be able to help me find more out on Thomas >Denis Conroy and his brother Michael Joseph Conroy. Know that Thomas is from >Ireland but where is the question. We are not sure who their parents were. >Thomas was supposely killed on the waterfront , believe in Brooklyn, NY some >time cc 1905 or earlier. His children were placed in a Catholic home in May >1905. Michael, only know of him in 1897. The both probably worked the docks. >Thomas was married to Mary Flaherty when he arrived in NY , 14 May 1890. >Believe that they lived for the most part in Brooklyn near the docks.Their 2 >daughters married, Nora to Francis Phipps cc 1914/15 and had 2 girls that if >alive would be in their 80's. Did those daughters have any children,their >names were Teresa Williams & Honora Williams. They married in the Church of >ST Barbara's in Bklynin the 30's. The last known address for Teresa was 1968 >in Middle Village., 65th Lane. Conroy's 2nd daughter Margaret Lyons didn't >have any children. >Two of the other children Annie & Joseph died as small children, Michael >married Elizabeth Lunam and had 2 sons. Only Edward is living. Does anyone >know of this family, we would like to find where in Ireland the g.parents >are from and who Thomas & Michael's parents were. We know Mary's were >Michael Flarethy & Nora Ford. >Anyone that can help us please e mail us. Thanks to all. >Ed & Lorraine Conroy > > >==== NYC-ROOTS Mailing List ==== >CYNDI's - http://www.CyndisList.com > > >

Looking for anyone that might be able to help me find more out on Thomas Denis Conroy and his brother Michael Joseph Conroy. Know that Thomas is from Ireland but where is the question. We are not sure who their parents were. Thomas was supposely killed on the waterfront , believe in Brooklyn, NY some time cc 1905 or earlier. His children were placed in a Catholic home in May 1905. Michael, only know of him in 1897. The both probably worked the docks. Thomas was married to Mary Flaherty when he arrived in NY , 14 May 1890. Believe that they lived for the most part in Brooklyn near the docks.Their 2 daughters married, Nora to Francis Phipps cc 1914/15 and had 2 girls that if alive would be in their 80's. Did those daughters have any children,their names were Teresa Williams & Honora Williams. They married in the Church of ST Barbara's in Bklynin the 30's. The last known address for Teresa was 1968 in Middle Village., 65th Lane. Conroy's 2nd daughter Margaret Lyons didn't have any children. Two of the other children Annie & Joseph died as small children, Michael married Elizabeth Lunam and had 2 sons. Only Edward is living. Does anyone know of this family, we would like to find where in Ireland the g.parents are from and who Thomas & Michael's parents were. We know Mary's were Michael Flarethy & Nora Ford. Anyone that can help us please e mail us. Thanks to all. Ed & Lorraine Conroy

Many thanks to Anne, Sharon, Mairead and Ellen for the advice and information. Best wishes, David Chapman.

john p mcmenamin <[email protected]>asks: >Can someone give me some advice on clarifying a birth place vs a parrish >in IRE. I have a Margaret Sullivan, born 4/16/1863 in Ballyvoige, Co >Cork, IRE. I just found a Margaret Sullivan CHRISTENED on 4/19/1863 in >the Roman Catholic, Inchigeelagh Parish, Co Cork, IRE per the LDS IGI >index disk. I think it's the same person, but how does the Inchigeelagh >Parish in Cork relate to the town of Ballyvoige? Thanks for the help, >JOHN John...Some things don't add up...Ballyvoige townland is in the civil parish of Desertserges,R.C. parish of Enniskeane/Desertserges/Bandon. Inchigeelagh is the name of a civil parish..The name of the R.C. parish for that area is Iveleary. Both of these parishes are a few miles apart from each other. You can check the registers for both parishes through the LDS...The registers for Desertserges have a start date of 1813 and Iveleary registers have a start date of 1816. Hope this helps...Jim May God Bless You and Keep You [email protected]

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Would anyone know if Irish immigrants who settled in Scranton, PA, USA, were from any particular county or area? My Sullivan ancestors were there for a time that encompassed 1871, if not longer, and I'm trying to establish where in Kerry (or Cork) they had previously lived. Any information at all would be very enthusiasticly received. Thanks so much! Fran Weeks in sunny Massachusetts (amen!)

Looking for descendants of George ROOKE and JOAN COOKE (of Limerick). http://www.familytreemaker.com/users/r/o/o/Mark--Jana--Rooke/GENE28-0001.html Thank you in advance! Jana Rooke San Jose, CA Descendants of George "the Quaker Minister" Rooke 1 George "the Quaker Minister" Rooke b: 1652 in Boltonwood, Cumberland, England d: December 07, 1742 in Dublin, Ireland . +Joan Cooke b: Abt. 1653 in Limerick, Ireland m: 1686 in Limerick, Ireland d: September 17, 1737 in Dublin, Ireland .... 2 Rachel Rooke b: August 06, 1687 in Limerick, Ireland d: 1766 in Dublin, Dublin, Ireland ........ +Joshua Carlton/Carleton b: May 21, 1684 in Balinasang, Wicklow, Ireland d: February 21, 1735/36 in Dublin, Dublin, Ireland ........... 3 Deborah Carlton/Carleton ........... 3 Elizabeth Carlton/Carleton b: 1726 d: 1804 ............... +Richard Shackleton .... 2 Joanna Rooke b: December 09, 1688 in Limerick, Ireland d: 1695 .... 2 George "The Merchant" Rooke b: December 15, 1690 in Limerick, Ireland d: 1750 in Dublin, Ireland ........ +Elizabeth Stretell m: Abt. 1712 ........... 3 George "The Immigrant" Rooke ........... 3 Amos "The Immigrant" Rooke ........... 3 Abel Rooke ........... 3 Joanna Rooke ........... 3 Robert Rooke ........... 3 Elizabeth Rooke ........... 3 Thomas "The Immigrant" Rooke b: Abt. 1720 in Dublin, Ireland (?) d: Abt. January 1810 in Norristown, Pennsylvania ............... +Mary(?) Davis m: 1747 in Pennsylvania .... 2 Anne Rooke b: 1693 ........ +John Barclay d: Aft. May 26, 1751 in Dublin, Ireland ........... 3 John Barclay ............... +Anne Cooper b: in Shraugh, Queen's County, Scotland ........... 3 Experience Barclay ............... +James Clibborn b: in County Westmeath, Scotland ........... 3 Ann Barclay ........... 3 Patience Barclay ........... 3 Elizabeth Barclay ............... +Edward Scriven b: in Dublin, Ireland ........... 3 Jane Barclay ........... 3 Lydia Barclay ............... +Benjamin Alloway b: in Dublin, Ireland .... 2 John Rooke b: 1694 d: February 08, 1731/32 in Dublin, Ireland .... 2 Benjamin Rooke b: May 11, 1698 in Dublin, Ireland d: November 17, 1729 in Dublin, Ireland

Registration of non-Catholic marriages began in 1845 in Ireland. Registration of births, marriages and deaths, regardless of religion, began January 1, 1864. The obligation to register these events rested on the public and failure to do so carried hefty fines. Certificates for births, marriages and deaths for all of Ireland until 1922 are housed in Dublin. Belfast has the records for Northern Ireland from 1922 to present. Clues to family history and genealogy are found in the civil records. The occupation or title give clues to the family’s lifestyle. The family historian may also use occupational clues to find additional information, either in general or specific to the family. Guild records, apprenticeship records, military regimental records, land records, borough records, and other sources may be useful. Probate, peerage books, and land records are sources if there is a title involved. If the birth or death occurred in the workhouse look for records under the Irish Poor Law. Birth certificates include the date and place of birth; the name; the sex; the name, surname and residence of the father; the name, surname, maiden surname of the mother; the rank, profession or occupation of the father; and the name and qualifications of the informant, usually a family member. A given name was not obligatory, so some entries are Kelly, Male or Clarke, Female. The FHLC holds microfilm copies of the index and certificates for 1864-1955. Marriage certificates include the date and place of marriage; groom’s name, age, marital status, occupation or title, and residence; bride’s name, marital status, age, occupation or title, and residence. The names of the fathers of both parties and their occupations or titles are given which makes them particularly relevant to genealogy. The church and the names of two witnesses are also listed. Witnesses to the marriage are commonly family members and may add clues to family linkages. Full age indicates that the person was at least 21 years old. Registration of non-Catholic marriages began in 1845 in Ireland. Registration of births, marriages and deaths, regardless of religion, began January 1, 1864. The obligation to register these events rested on the public and failure to do so carried hefty fines. Certificates for births, marriages and deaths for all of Ireland until 1922 are housed in Dublin. Belfast has the records for Northern Ireland from 1922 to present. General Register Office, Joyce House, 8-11 Lombard St. East, Dublin 2 Open 9:30-12:30 and 2:15 - 4:30 Fees are payable in Irish punts and cash (Irish, Sterling, US dollars) for any amount. A photocopy of an entry will contain the same details as a certificate but is not suitable for administrative matters. However, it is ideal for genealogical purposes. Photocopy (including search fee) is Irpunts 3.00 and Certificate (including search fee) is Irpunts 5.50. If more than one certificate relating to the death of the same person is required an additional fee of 4.00 Irpunts should be sent for each extra certificate. What is required for search: Name in full, date of event, place of event, age of deceased, occupation of deceased, whether single, married, widow. Ellen

David, Welcome to the gen. research. Just quickly, I suggest that you ask on this list for a lookup on the Griffiths Valuation CD, for the name Chapman in Co. Longford. There may not have been more than a handful, if that, of such households in the late 1850s, which was the approx. time frame for that valuation (tax) list for a county that far north. It will provide the head of household and his location, which I think will be the civil parish. Then you consult Brian Mitchell's book (he has several and all are very handy) which is an atlas, to obtain the church parish name matching the civil parish name (if the family was Catholic). If the family was Protestant, then you can proceed directly to the LDS film for births for 1847 (also 1846 and 1848), to find the civil birth registration, which was required of Protestants as of 1845. That will provide the parents' names and registra- tion district, the name of which is usually a large urban center near the family's townland or village. Good luck. You may obtain results fairly fast on this part of the research, It's getting back beyond 1845 that is often the struggle. Sharon Carberry Connecticut

Can someone give me some advice on clarifying a birth place vs a parrish in IRE. I have a Margaret Sullivan, born 4/16/1863 in Ballyvoige, Co Cork, IRE. I just found a Margaret Sullivan CHRISTENED on 4/19/1863 in the Roman Catholic, Inchigeelagh Parish, Co Cork, IRE per the LDS IGI index disk. I think it's the same person, but how does the Inchigeelagh Parish in Cork relate to the town of Ballyvoige? Thanks for the help, JOHN ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866]

To begin doing Irish research, take a look at the FIANNA site, over 300 pages of information, how-to's and links. Then as you find specific questions, come back and ask some more :) http://www.rootsweb.com/~fianna/ HTH At 09:17 AM 4/8/99 +0100, you wrote: >Hi, I'm David Chapman, a 49 year old student nurse, born in Essex, now >living in Stroud, Gloucestershire. I am fairly new to genealogy. > >I recently spent a useful hour at the LDS centre in Cheltenham and was >delighted to find that my greatgrandfather was born in Ireland. > >He is listed in the 1891 census for Dunmow, Essex as: > > James W CHAPMAN age 44 (therefore born abt. 1847). > Place of birth Longford, Ireland. > >He was married to Elizabeth, and his eldest son was born in Essex in 1874. > >I would be grateful for any advice on how to trace the CHAPMAN line back. > >Many thanks, David Chapman. Stroud, UK. > > > > > >==== FIANNA Mailing List ==== >[email protected] >Any queries go here! >List Maintainer: [email protected] >Any complaints go here! >Please turn off your Stationery, Backrounds & HTML! >Messages to list in plain text only! > > > > >

Hi, I'm David Chapman, a 49 year old student nurse, born in Essex, now living in Stroud, Gloucestershire. I am fairly new to genealogy. I recently spent a useful hour at the LDS centre in Cheltenham and was delighted to find that my greatgrandfather was born in Ireland. He is listed in the 1891 census for Dunmow, Essex as: James W CHAPMAN age 44 (therefore born abt. 1847). Place of birth Longford, Ireland. He was married to Elizabeth, and his eldest son was born in Essex in 1874. I would be grateful for any advice on how to trace the CHAPMAN line back. Many thanks, David Chapman. Stroud, UK.

Hello, If the person that was requesting information on the above subject would repost. I think that I may have some related information. -- Gordon Lowry

I'm looking for relatives of Margaret Sullivan, born 4/16/1863 in Ballvoige, Co Cork, IRE. She died in IRE in Jan 1944. Anyone else working on this line? JOHN. ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866]

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