Thanks so much for posting the list of names. I think it has already helped solve one of my riddles. Loudene Kirk Tollar

Thank you for your help. Carell

In message <[email protected]>, [email protected] writes >I am unable to locate Ligioneil, would any one know where this town is? > >Also, Ballysillian > >Unable to find a map that shows either town. > >Thanks, Carell > > >==== FIANNA Mailing List ==== >The Fianna, where St Patricks's Day is EVERYDAY! >http://www.rootsweb.com/~fianna/ >http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Meadows/4404/ > > > Ligoniel and Ballysillan are areas of north Belfast and are beside each other. -- Gordon Lowry

Hello, I am searching for details of BRADY from County CAVAN: PHILLIP BRADY born 1839 Co. Cavan (Labourer) Parents were TERENCE BRADY (a farmer) and ANNE PHILLIP'S. Phillip came to Australia probably early 1860's, he may have been married in Ireland but his first wife died in 1867(most probably in Australia) Can anyone add to this information or can anyone put me in the right direction? I am looking for birth records of TERENCE, ANNE, PHILLIP and other siblings. Ship records from Ireland to Australia(if anyone holds them from the early 1860's) Also Marriage and death details for TERENCE and ANNE BRADY. Can anyone help? Regards Tara

The single most important item of information for Irish family history research is a precise place of origin, and the most important tool in identifying Irish placenames is the 1851 Townlands Index. They've altered their site recently, this is the new URL for any Townland questions : http://www.ireland.com/ancestor/placename/index.cfm" Irish Ancestors;Placenames http://www.caughey.demon.co.uk and then click on: Irish Ancestors. This should make it possible for you to search 65,000 Irish placenames. -- Also this incomplete but very handy townland data base here: http://www.thecore.com/cgi-bin/ire-srch IreAtlas TOWNLAND DATA BASE http://www.expediamaps.com/PlaceFinder.asp Can get to parish level but not townlands. A townland is NOT a town. It is the smallest administrative unit in Ireland based on the ancient pastures. Ellen

Congratulations to Jane O'brien on the mountain of information she recently put on the list. I'm certain that there will be something in it for everybody. Frank Neeson, Melbourne Australia

I am unable to locate Ligioneil, would any one know where this town is? Also, Ballysillian Unable to find a map that shows either town. Thanks, Carell

For Genealogy searchers of KELLER and MAHONEY Interned at Queen of Peace Cemetery, Royal Palm Beach Florida Reverend MICHAEL P. KELLER Born: City of Galway, Ireland October 19, 1928 ordained at ST. John's Collage, Waterford, Ireland June 12, 1952 Died: West Palm Beach, FL May 17, 1983 Right Reverend JERMIAH P. MAHONEY A Native of Skibbereen, Ireland born: April 19, 1885 Ordained St Patrick's Cathedral, NYC June 6, 1915 Died: April 3, 1980 I have grave marker pictures available if anyone has a connection for the above, Possible orbit information available also Jim

----- Original Message ----- From: Jane O'Brien <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, June 29, 1999 1:09 PM Subject: Fw: Irish Sites > -----Original Message----- > From: Jane O'Brien <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] <[email protected]> > Date: 29 June 1999 20:06 > Subject: Irish Sites > > > >Ireland: Ordnance Survey Memoirs > >http://www2.smart.net/~aihdrh/osmem100.html > > > >Irish-Canadian List http://www.bess.tcd.ie/roots/irishcan.htm > > > >Irish-Canadian Mailing List has a Home Page at location: > >http://members.tripod.com/~guidbillie/irishcanadian.html > > > >Irish Ancestors: http://www.irish-times.com/ancestor/index.html > > > >Irish churches http://www.ireland.anglican.org/ > > > >irish Famine newspapers & Articles > >http://avery.med.virginia.edu/~eas5e/Irish/Irish.html > > > >Irish Famine site http://avery.med.virginia.edu/~eas5e/Irish/Famine.html > > > >Irish Genealogical Society, Int'l (IGSI) > >http://www.rootsweb.com/~irish/index.html > > > >Irish Geneological society Intl. http://www.rootsweb.com/~irish > > > >Irish in America: Genealogy, > >http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/irish/genealogy.html > > > >Irish in America: Irish Americans > >http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/irish/irishamericans.html > > > >Irish Links http://www.standard.net.au/~jwilliams/irelinks.htm > > > >Irish RC Parishes http://www.sci.net.au/mgrogan > > > >Irish research: Doing http://www.rootsweb.com/~irish/index.html > > > >Irish Site www.ex.ac.uk/~gjlramel/welcome.html > > > >Irish site: click in,local, clivk on genealogy, surname list > >http://www.nua.ie/ > > > >Irish site: Client resource ?? http://www.amadeus.net/pl/bpl/en/index.htm > > > >Irish site: Donegal http://www.dun-na-ngall.com/frame1.html > > >Irish Site: List of directories available in Nat Lib > >http://www.irish-times.com/ancestor/browse/records/directories/index.htm > > > >Irish Site: Music > >http://www.emi-premier.co.uk/commonground/mi/spillane/pipes.html > > > >Irish site: posting board for genealogical queries > http://www.vocal.local.ie > > > >Irish Site: Rep Church body online > >http://www.ireland.anglican.org/library.html > > > >Irish site; Client resource <g> http://www.genforum.com/ireland/ > > > >Irish State: Information http://www.irlgov.ie/ > > > >Irish Surnames, Frequency, Locations, History, etc > >http://www.rootsweb.com/~irish/ir-names.htm > > > >Irish Times: Placenames & meanings > >http://www.n-ireland.co.uk/genealogy/placenames/index.htm > > > >irish/Australian info > >http://users.bigpond.com/kirwilli/aussie_irish/aussie_irish.htm > > > >Irish: Catholic church Local history: > >http://home.att.net/~mensch-family/Catholic-Ireland.htm > > > >Church of ireland Parish registers held in the RCB > >http://www.ihaonline.com/rcbl.htm > > > >Church of Ireland Web Site: Diocese of Cork Cloyne and Ross > >http://www.ireland.anglican.org/dioceses/cork/corkparishes.html > > > > > > ______________________________

----- Original Message ----- From: Jane O'Brien <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, June 29, 1999 3:56 PM Subject: Fw: More Christian Names... > -----Original Message----- > From: Jane O'Brien <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] <[email protected]>; [email protected] > <[email protected]> > Date: 23 June 1998 17:47 > Subject: More Christian Names... > > > >Continuation of interchangeable names: > > > >Abigail: Deborah (because ot the similarity of their respective diminutives > >Abbie and Debbie and of Gubbie the diminutive of the Irish Gobnet) > >Jane: Joan, Jean (all being rendered Johanna in Latin) > >Alice: Ellen (probably due to the diminutive Eily for both the Irish names > >Eilish and Eileen) > >Grizell: Grace (In Ulster) > >Susan: Johanna (as renderings of the Irish Siobhán) > >Giles: Cecily, Cecilia, Celia, Julia (as renderings of the Irish Sheelagh) > >Hannah: Honora, Johanna > >Judith: Julia (perhaps due to the simillarity of their diminutives Judy and > >julie) > > > >The fifth group of Irish Christian names is that used as the Irish or > >English equivalents of one another, but not necessarily being a correct > >translation of such names: > > > >Irish: English > >Brian: Bernard, Barnabas (Barney) > >Diarmaid (Dermot): Jeremiah, Darby, Demetrius > >Tiernan: Terence > >Teige: Thaddeus (Thady) > >Morrogh: Morgan > >Aodh : Hugh, Edie > >Tirlogh: Terence > >Eoghain: Owen, Eugene > >Cormac: Charles > >Cathal: Charles > >Eamonn: Edmond, Edward, Aimon > >Conchobar: Connor, Cornelius, Constantine > >Donogh: denis, Donat > >Dhonal: Daniel, Donald > >Eileen: Ellen, Helen, Eleanor > >Eilish: Alice > >Siobhán: johanna, Susan, Jane > >Sheelagh: Cecilia, Cecily, Giles, Sheila, celia, Julia > >Oonagh: Una, WInifred. > > > >The correct or standard translation of such Irish names as Sean-John; > >Seamus- James etc., can be found in a good Irish-English lexicon. > > > >Until the end of the mid 18thC it was unusual for a child to receivemore > >than one Christian name in Ireland..although threr were some standard > >favourite combinations such as Ann Jane, Mary Anne. Even in the 19thC the > >practise of giving a second christian name was slowly adopted....starting > >with the richer gentry. > > > >Favourite Catholic Christian names were: John, Patrick, James, Denis, > >William, Darby, Dermot, daniel, Cornelius, Henry, Timothy, Thomas, Michael, > >Jeremiah, Bartholomew, Brain, Laurence, Thady, Terence, Owen, Martin, > >Mathias, David and Jospeh for boyus. Dominick enjoyed vogue in the > >17thC..Columb, Malachy, Miles, Felix, Ambrose and Stanislaus were less > >commonly used. Aloysius is rare before the 19thC. > > > >For girls: > >Mary, Catherine, Bridget, Honora, Margaret, Ellen, Anastasia, Johanna, > >Judith, Julia, Rosanna, Maryanne, ELizabeth and Jane. Less common were > >Magdalen Monica and Theresa. Marcella is found in Ireland but is rare in > >England. > > > >Protestants were more varied: > >Arthur, John, Henry, James, William, Frederick, George, Edward, Richard, > >Charles, Philip, Oliver, Jonathan, Anthony, Andrew, Simon, Marmaduke and > >Sstephen. They also used old testament names which were rarely used by > >Catholics such as Abraham, Jacob, Moses, isaac , Samuel, joshua, Gamaliel. > > > >Favourite Protestant girls names seem to have been: > >Mary, Sarah, ELizabeth, Eleanor, Lucy, catherine, Susanna, Hannah, > >Margaret, Jane, Isabella, Frances and Alice. Less frequently: Barbara, > >Gertrude, Dorothea, Charlote, Diana, Rebecca, Lydia , race, Phoebe, > >Henrietta, Lettice, Ursula, Penelope, Esther and Heather. > > > >The name Austin (for Augustine) was common in the Catholic peasantry in > >Connaught but was uncommon elsewhere. Lettice was widespread amongst > >Protestant families in Cavan. Lancelot in Monaghan. > > > >Jasper and Horatio had a vogue in Cork: Bernard and Sylvester in Cavan: > >Hyacinth in Galway: Ignatius and Xaverius were common amongst Catholics in > >Mayo and Galway, also Dominick. Florence was used as a boys name amongst > >the Catholics in Cork....Moses, usually a name used by Protestants was a > >popular Catholic name in Wexford. > > > > ______________________________

Thought this might be of interest ----- Original Message ----- From: Jane O'Brien <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, June 29, 1999 3:55 PM Subject: Fw: Christian Names in ireland 1 > -----Original Message----- > From: Jane O'Brien <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] <[email protected]>; [email protected] > <[email protected]> > Date: 23 June 1998 01:40 > Subject: Christian Names in ireland 1 > > > >This is to be a two part message (I think) > > > >Edited from an article by Brian De Breffny in a journal called Breifne: > > > >"The peculiarities in Christian names are not so likely as to mislead as > >diffrences in surnames- but may be thrown out of their proper place in an > >index or escape notice altogether, or, if seen might be taken to refere to > >some other person. > > > >The peuliarities in Christian names in Ireland may be divided into five > >classes: > >1.) Names applicable to both sexes > >2 ) Names usually given to one sex, but applied to the other > >3) Diminutives materially differing from the original names > >4) Names which are different but for varied reasons are used > >interchangeably > >5) Irish equivalents for English names and English equivalents for irish > >names. > > > >Florence: more usually a male name in Ireland, particularly with the > >McCarthy family, but nevertheless found albeit rarely, as a female name > >even before the popularity of Florence Nightingale in the 19th C > >Sydney or Sideny used for both sexes but more commonly as a female name. > >Evelyn - bot hsexes > >Surnames given at baptism as Christian names frequently by Protestants and > >sometimes applied to both sexes. > >Francis (male) > >Frances (female) > >Olive (female) > >Olave (Male) > >Jess (Male) > >Jessie (female) > >All confused due to their sligt differences. > > > >Edie - a male name in Ireland, confused with diminutive of Edith. > >Kitty usually the diminutive of Catherine, but also used in the forms Kit > >and Kitty as a diminutive for Christopher. > >Constant or Constance fuond for a boy in Co. Clare. > >Constance and Constantia are found as girls' names. > >Giles: usually a male name but foun in Ireland as a female name and an > >anglization of Sheila. > >Catholics in 19thC sometimes gave male children second name of Mary or > >Maria, and even rarely ANne. > > > >Bartle, Bat, Batty, Bartly are forms of Bartholomew. > >Toby form of Theobold > >Con, Connor, Corny and Neily of Cornelius > >Rory and Roddy of Roderick > >Sandy of Alexander > >Centy of Hyacinth > >Lack and Lacky of Laughlin > >Darby of Dermot > >Castor and Kit of Christopher > > > >Nancy and Nany are forms of ANne and Hannah > >Bessie, Betsy and Lizzie forms of Elizabeth > >Polly, Molly and Mally forms of Mary > >Juggy form of Judith > >Honor, Honny, Onny, Noey and Norah are forms of Honorah > >Biddy, Bride and Beesy of Bridget > >Anty of Anastsia (Anstace) > >Peggy, Maggy of Margaret > >Nell and Nelly of ELlen, Helen and Eleanor. > >Polly also used to Martha > > > > > >Interchangeables: > >Alexander: Alistair > >Theobold: Tobias (because of common diminutive = Toby) > >Edward: Edmond ( because of phonetic similarity) > >Patrick: Bartholomew (solely through confusion of respective diminutives > >PAt and Bat) > >Jacob: James (because of latin form Jacobus) > >Gerald: Garrett, Gerard > >Owen: Eugene (both being used as translations of the Irish Eoghain) > >Daniel: David ( due to poor penmanship and mis-reading or mis-copying) > >Peter: Patrick (in Ulster) > >Randal: Randolph: Ralph ( all variants of the same name and rendered > >Randolphus in latin) > >Bridget: bedelia: delia: Bessy" > > ______________________________

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> I have just received the soundex for passenger arrivals to NY from 1902 and > after. The problem is I can't decipher. I get cards like: > Devine, Elizabeth 17 f 19 64 8918 > Devine, Elizabeth 16 f 27 33 8880 > Christina, The above sequence is interpreted: Surname, first name, age, sex, line, page, volume 1) Volume 8918 of the passenger lists is the 2nd of 2 volumes found on roll #3961; beginning date of arrivals is Nov. 7, 1926. 2) Volume 8880 of the passenger lists is the second of two films found on roll 3941; beginning arrival date is Oct. 4, 1926. Go to the 2nd volume on each film, then look for your page number, which can be tricky, as there are often several numbers on each page. Then go down to the correct line. I understand that staff at the NARA in Pittsfield recommend that if it is too difficult to deal with the page number, then go through the volume looking only at the line in question on each page. If you are getting film through an LDS Family History Center, the film numbers will not correspond to what I have given you, which is the NARA film number. However, just look for the volume # in the LDS catalog (microfiche or computer), and you will see the LDS film number. Hope this helps. Margaret J. -- E-mail: [email protected] OR [email protected]

I have just received the soundex for passenger arrivals to NY from 1902 and after. The problem is I can't decipher. I get cards like: Devine, Elizabeth 17 f 19 64 8918 Devine, Elizabeth 16 f 27 33 8880 Aside from the fact that the person age is there I can't figure a year or anything else. Has anyone else used these who might be able to explain what I am looking at? If looking for a family am I trying to match the numbers? Thanks, Christina Christina's World http://pw1.netcom.com/~ninah/ninah.htm County Longford Query page http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/Ireland/Longford

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G'day Lis, On Sun, 27 Jun 1999 11:51:21 +1000, you wrote: >Hello Listers, >I would like to post my interest. >I have almost given up with these families, and put them in the "Too >hard Basket". >DEERING,Thomas, Bridget, Mathew,Julia >>From Cavan to poss-Claire To AUS >LEE, Bridget, Jane, James >>From Cavan to Claire to AUS >CONNOR, James, m Elizabeth WHITLAW in Belfast to AUS >Interested in these names above in Ireland and their branches in >Australia. >Thanking you for your time. >Lis >NSW There are a multitude of each name above in Australian records, what do you have re dates and events. Where people came from does not matter very much in AUSTRALIA, it comes down to what they did in this country, like getting married, having children and dieing or should that be dyeing ?? COME BACK ?? Kind regards, Ian Stokell, Rokeby, Tasmania..

Hello Listers, I would like to post my interest. I have almost given up with these families, and put them in the "Too hard Basket". DEERING,Thomas, Bridget, Mathew,Julia >From Cavan to poss-Claire To AUS LEE, Bridget, Jane, James >From Cavan to Claire to AUS CONNOR, James, m Elizabeth WHITLAW in Belfast to AUS Interested in these names above in Ireland and their branches in Australia. Thanking you for your time. Lis NSW OZ -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] <[email protected]> To: [email protected] <[email protected]> Date: Sunday, 27 June 1999 11:22 Subject: FIANNA-D Digest V99 #160

Would you like to know more about your Irish heritage? FYI, a fabulous book that I just finished reading; Erin's Daughters in America; Irish Immigrant Women in the Nineteenth Century by Hasia R. Diner, 1983 by The John Hopkins University Press ISBN 0-8018-2871-6 ISBN 0-8018-2872-4 pbk approximately $15.00 USD http://www.amazon.com http://www.bn.com Enjoy! Janet

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unsubscribe Josie Taylor wrote: > Is anyone researching a HARRIS family. Richard HARRIS of Tullow near > Carlow, SE Ireland was born about 1822. He served in the 99th Regiment of > Footfrom 1840 to 1861. In Tasmania until 1856 then in Cork and also in China. > > Josie Taylor > > ==== FIANNA Mailing List ==== > [email protected] > Any queries go here! > List Maintainer: [email protected] > Any complaints go here! > Please turn off your Stationery, Backrounds & HTML! > Messages to list in plain text only!