Hi Margot...Thanks for your interesting reply...The Armstrongs and the Grahams were enemies back in the 16th Century , so I read. However this was overcome by Intermarriage between the two Clans. My understanding of DNA is also a bit "Dim" , and although I have "worked on it wi' ma' heed !"...I can't say I have improved that much ! I did an Article a couple of years ago, on the Subject of Armstrong /Graham Marriages....you're very welcome to a Copy , which 'Sends' as an E.Mail Attachment, but I'm not Game to put my E.Mail address on FG...I think it's frowned upon anyway if you do ....maybe VIOLA....if you're reading this , you could advise, as apart from the Article, I would like to give my FTDNA Details to Margot, so she and her Bro can "Take a Looksee " If they like at my Results.....I'd appreciate viewing your Bros ' Marker Reslults too if he' willing - Margot In the meantime, my Fav. Tale of Grahams and Armstrongs, is the one which can be Googled up on the Searchline :-"Kinmont Willie, sprung out of Carlisle Jail !"..... Kinmont Willie, was William Armstrong, whose Brother in Law, a Graham , was part of the Team who got him oot the Jail ! All the Best the 'noo, Bruce G. p/s Whatcha reckon Vi ? 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Re: Roll call edit (Jane Dixon Anderson) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2018 16:30:48 -0700 > From: "Margot Jorgensen" <margot.j@shaw.ca> > Subject: FERMANAGH-GOLDRe: Unusual DNA > To: <fermanagh-gold@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <50162E1781AE415C9FEE913FE8481B21@MargotHP> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="UTF-8"; > reply-type=response > > Hi Bruce, > I don't really understand the DNA, but my brother had his DNA tested through > FTDNA and the few matches he's had are > J-M172 or J-M67. Our name is Armstrong, another border clan, and the > earliest ancestor I've found to date is a Maxwell > Armstrong, died 1820 in Co. Fermanagh, aged 46. Two of 3 matches at "3" are > Armstrong, the other is Foster, and there > are several Foster or Forresters. My brother's DNA is unlike most other > Armstrongs. > Margot > > -----Original Message----- > From: Bruce > Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2018 12:47 PM > To: fermanagh-gold@rootsweb.com > Subject: FERMANAGH-GOLDRe: Digest, Vol 14, Issue 66 > > FERMANAGH-GOLD@rootsweb.com > > Hi Shirley, > > Good to read your Post. > > I've been living in NZ for over half a Century, but only some five years > ago , I discovered that I too am a J1 =J (M267) Haplotype ! I see that > over a quarter of GRAHAMs Tested for Y-DNA have also been ID'd as being > of the same RARE Haplotype. I read that it is seldom found in Europe. > Some refer to it as "The Cohanim Genes" or "The Aaron Genes"....I do > know that many of my Matches Listed on FTDNA either have entered their > details in Arabic Script , or have obviously Jewish names. > > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2018 00:44:08 +0100 > From: Ben Robinson <ben_robinson@ntlworld.com> > Subject: FERMANAGH-GOLDRe: Roll Call > To: FERMANAGH-GOLD@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <C833DDDC-542A-48B8-BC6A-A0800B9B49A7@ntlworld.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Present & correct ... > > Sent from my iPad > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2018 19:44:53 -0400 > From: Anneje <anneje@bell.net> > Subject: FERMANAGH-GOLDRoll Call > To: <fermanagh-gold@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <E8732BDC-3313-4921-9454-A315658FA001@bell.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Would be very grateful for any reference to anything that includes mention of the BYNG/BING, BARNETT or DONALDSON families of Drummee and Kinarla, Rossorry, from about 1766 (or earlier) to 1900. Thanks! > > Nancy > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2018 00:13:57 +0000 > From: Jane Dixon Anderson <andixj@hotmail.com> > Subject: FERMANAGH-GOLDRe: Roll call edit > To: "fermanagh-gold@rootsweb.com" <fermanagh-gold@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <CY4PR06MB2950B25A329EC68218C042EADFB80@CY4PR06MB2950.namp > rd06.prod.outlook.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" > > Here in Northeast Connecticut USA > > > > Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE smartphone > > > -------- Original message -------- > From: Valerie Ackroyd <johal521@me.com> > Date: 2018/04/07 4:31 PM (GMT-05:00) > To: fermanagh-gold@rootsweb.com > Subject: FERMANAGH-GOLDRe: Roll call edit > > FERMANAGH-GOLD@rootsweb.com > > GILLEECE and MAGUIRE near Aughyoule, Fermanagh, mid 19th century and earlier. REILLY possibly in that area but certainly in Drumrush, Cavan, a few miles down the Belturbet/Derrylin Road. > > I have DNA results on Ancestry but don’t know how to read them like the Graham folk on here have done. > > Valerie Ackroyd > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Apr 7, 2018, at 5:35 PM, Carl Maguire <cmaguire@northwestel.net> wrote: >> >> FERMANAGH-GOLD@rootsweb.com >> >> MAGUIRE and PATTERSON, in and around Cleggan tl 1820 until 1847 and OWENS and BRANDON in and around Rosscrennagh and Rossharbour tls until 1846. 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My Armstrong’s are also from Fermanagh. I have very little info but they were in Derryvullan. Andrew Armstrong b 1807 m Sidney Dane. Any connection, possible? Sent from my iPad > On Apr 7, 2018, at 10:03 PM, Bruce <bruros@xtra.co.nz> wrote: > > FERMANAGH-GOLD@rootsweb.com > > Hi Margot...Thanks for your interesting reply...The Armstrongs and the Grahams were enemies back in the 16th Century , so I read. However this was overcome by Intermarriage between the two Clans. My understanding of DNA is also a bit "Dim" , and although I have "worked on it wi' ma' heed !"...I can't say I have improved that much ! > > I did an Article a couple of years ago, on the Subject of Armstrong /Graham Marriages....you're very welcome to a Copy , which 'Sends' as an E.Mail Attachment, but I'm not Game to put my E.Mail address on FG...I think it's frowned upon anyway if you do ....maybe VIOLA....if you're reading this , you could advise, as apart from the Article, I would like to give my FTDNA Details to Margot, so she and her Bro can "Take a Looksee " If they like at my Results.....I'd appreciate viewing your Bros ' Marker Reslults too if he' willing - Margot > > In the meantime, my Fav. Tale of Grahams and Armstrongs, is the one which can be Googled up on the Searchline :-"Kinmont Willie, sprung out of Carlisle Jail !"..... Kinmont Willie, was William Armstrong, whose Brother in Law, a Graham , was part of the Team who got him oot the Jail ! > > All the Best the 'noo, Bruce G. > > p/s Whatcha reckon Vi ? > > >> On 8/04/2018 12:14 PM, fermanagh-gold-request@rootsweb.com wrote: >> Send FERMANAGH-GOLD mailing list submissions to >> fermanagh-gold@rootsweb.com >> >> To subscribe or unsubscribe via email, send a message with subject or >> body 'help' to >> fermanagh-gold-request@rootsweb.com >> >> You can reach the person managing the list at >> fermanagh-gold-owner@rootsweb.com >> >> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >> than "Re: Contents of FERMANAGH-GOLD digest..." >> >> When replying to a Digest please remember to change the subject line & delete most of the backquotes. >> Supply *all* the information you can including Full Name, Religion, Dates >> and Places. >> >> Today's Topics: >> >> 1. Re: Unusual DNA (Margot Jorgensen) >> 2. Re: Roll Call (Ben Robinson) >> 3. Roll Call (Anneje) >> 4. Re: Roll call edit (Jane Dixon Anderson) >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2018 16:30:48 -0700 >> From: "Margot Jorgensen" <margot.j@shaw.ca> >> Subject: FERMANAGH-GOLDRe: Unusual DNA >> To: <fermanagh-gold@rootsweb.com> >> Message-ID: <50162E1781AE415C9FEE913FE8481B21@MargotHP> >> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="UTF-8"; >> reply-type=response >> >> Hi Bruce, >> I don't really understand the DNA, but my brother had his DNA tested through >> FTDNA and the few matches he's had are >> J-M172 or J-M67. Our name is Armstrong, another border clan, and the >> earliest ancestor I've found to date is a Maxwell >> Armstrong, died 1820 in Co. Fermanagh, aged 46. Two of 3 matches at "3" are >> Armstrong, the other is Foster, and there >> are several Foster or Forresters. My brother's DNA is unlike most other >> Armstrongs. >> Margot >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Bruce >> Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2018 12:47 PM >> To: fermanagh-gold@rootsweb.com >> Subject: FERMANAGH-GOLDRe: Digest, Vol 14, Issue 66 >> >> FERMANAGH-GOLD@rootsweb.com >> >> Hi Shirley, >> >> Good to read your Post. >> >> I've been living in NZ for over half a Century, but only some five years >> ago , I discovered that I too am a J1 =J (M267) Haplotype ! I see that >> over a quarter of GRAHAMs Tested for Y-DNA have also been ID'd as being >> of the same RARE Haplotype. I read that it is seldom found in Europe. >> Some refer to it as "The Cohanim Genes" or "The Aaron Genes"....I do >> know that many of my Matches Listed on FTDNA either have entered their >> details in Arabic Script , or have obviously Jewish names. >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2018 00:44:08 +0100 >> From: Ben Robinson <ben_robinson@ntlworld.com> >> Subject: FERMANAGH-GOLDRe: Roll Call >> To: FERMANAGH-GOLD@rootsweb.com >> Message-ID: <C833DDDC-542A-48B8-BC6A-A0800B9B49A7@ntlworld.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >> >> Present & correct ... >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2018 19:44:53 -0400 >> From: Anneje <anneje@bell.net> >> Subject: FERMANAGH-GOLDRoll Call >> To: <fermanagh-gold@rootsweb.com> >> Message-ID: <E8732BDC-3313-4921-9454-A315658FA001@bell.net> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >> >> Would be very grateful for any reference to anything that includes mention of the BYNG/BING, BARNETT or DONALDSON families of Drummee and Kinarla, Rossorry, from about 1766 (or earlier) to 1900. Thanks! >> >> Nancy >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2018 00:13:57 +0000 >> From: Jane Dixon Anderson <andixj@hotmail.com> >> Subject: FERMANAGH-GOLDRe: Roll call edit >> To: "fermanagh-gold@rootsweb.com" <fermanagh-gold@rootsweb.com> >> Message-ID: <CY4PR06MB2950B25A329EC68218C042EADFB80@CY4PR06MB2950.namp >> rd06.prod.outlook.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" >> >> Here in Northeast Connecticut USA >> >> >> >> Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE smartphone >> >> >> -------- Original message -------- >> From: Valerie Ackroyd <johal521@me.com> >> Date: 2018/04/07 4:31 PM (GMT-05:00) >> To: fermanagh-gold@rootsweb.com >> Subject: FERMANAGH-GOLDRe: Roll call edit >> >> FERMANAGH-GOLD@rootsweb.com >> >> GILLEECE and MAGUIRE near Aughyoule, Fermanagh, mid 19th century and earlier. REILLY possibly in that area but certainly in Drumrush, Cavan, a few miles down the Belturbet/Derrylin Road. >> >> I have DNA results on Ancestry but don’t know how to read them like the Graham folk on here have done. >> >> Valerie Ackroyd >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Apr 7, 2018, at 5:35 PM, Carl Maguire <cmaguire@northwestel.net> wrote: >>> >>> FERMANAGH-GOLD@rootsweb.com >>> >>> MAGUIRE and PATTERSON, in and around Cleggan tl 1820 until 1847 and OWENS and BRANDON in and around Rosscrennagh and Rossharbour tls until 1846. 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Viola, Bruce and I have connected off list. Kate - I wish I could say if there was any connection between our Armstrongs, but I know little about mine. Family story passed down is that Maxwell Armstrong's father was "Sweeper" John Armstrong (perhaps a sapper in the army) and Elizabeth Maxwell Buchanan. I have never been able to find a reliable source for this. In the townland of Lisrace, Maxwell Armstrong appears in 1796 as a Flax Grower, and a son is born there in 1796. According to a book I found online, Armstrongs from that townland were very involved in Methodism, and there was a John Armstrong, father of Robert and William who moved to Cavan, then in 1795 or 1796 to Drogheda, Co. Louth. It is possible these were Maxwell's brothers, but I have not found evidence. My ancestor, Maxwell's son Johnston, emigrated to Canada by 1837, and seems to have been followed by all his siblings by 1845 or so. Johnston had brothers Robert, Thomas and Christopher, possibly William, but I've not seen an Andrew, although that is a good Armstrong name ! Margot -----Original Message----- From: Kate D via FERMANAGH-GOLD Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2018 8:21 PM To: fermanagh-gold@rootsweb.com Cc: Kate D Subject: FERMANAGH-GOLDRe: Digest, Vol 14, Issue 74 FERMANAGH-GOLD@rootsweb.com My Armstrong’s are also from Fermanagh. I have very little info but they were in Derryvullan. Andrew Armstrong b 1807 m Sidney Dane. Any connection, possible? Sent from my iPad