Hi everyone -- I'm pretty new to this group, am searching for my CROZIER roots (posted a few days ago), and I'm beginning to believe that the only way I'm likely to find them is through DNA. . . it's been a long, researching journey so far. . . I do know, through my brother's Y-chromosome DNA testing, that we are descendants of the CROZIERs who were Border Reivers, so likely were planted in Ulster in the 16th / 17 th century. My g-g-grandfather Richard Crozier was (according to his gravestone) born in Tyrone, but I'm beginning to question that, and wonder if his birthplace might have been Fermanagh. Have you (we) in the Fermanagh-Gold group been maintaining a DNA matching group? Also, I'm going to be in Fermanagh after the Ulster Historical Foundation's conference and tour in September, and I'd be so very happy to connect with some Croziers -- even just to share a cup of coffee over a review of our own genealogical travels.
Hello Jean, Can you tell us a little more about Richard your ggGrandfather. Approx how old was he in the 1901 census. Doug Fletcher Edmonton ps you’ll asolutely love Fermanagh > On Jun 12, 2018, at 11:31 AM, Jean Crozier <jecrozier@shaw.ca> wrote: > > Hi everyone -- I'm pretty new to this group, am searching for my CROZIER roots (posted a few days ago), and I'm beginning to believe that the only way I'm likely to find them is through DNA. . . it's been a long, researching journey so far. . . > > I do know, through my brother's Y-chromosome DNA testing, that we are descendants of the CROZIERs who were Border Reivers, so likely were planted in Ulster in the 16th / 17 th century. My g-g-grandfather Richard Crozier was (according to his gravestone) born in Tyrone, but I'm beginning to question that, and wonder if his birthplace might have been Fermanagh. > > Have you (we) in the Fermanagh-Gold group been maintaining a DNA matching group? > > Also, I'm going to be in Fermanagh after the Ulster Historical Foundation's conference and tour in September, and I'd be so very happy to connect with some Croziers -- even just to share a cup of coffee over a review of our own genealogical travels. > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/postorius/lists/fermanagh-gold@rootsweb.com/ > > Archives: https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/hyperkitty/list/fermanagh-gold@rootsweb.com/ > > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community
There is an Ulster DNA Project at https://www.familytreedna.com/groups/ulster/about/background Margaret in Oz.
I'm on it at 111 markers, and nobody is admitting to have a common ancestor with me. Precious few Maguires considering we used to own Fermanagh. Sigh. Carl in the Yukon On 2018-06-19, at 10:58 PM, Margaret Barnes wrote: > There is an Ulster DNA Project at > > https://www.familytreedna.com/groups/ulster/about/background > > > Margaret in Oz. > > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/postorius/lists/fermanagh-gold@rootsweb.com/ > > Archives: https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/hyperkitty/list/fermanagh-gold@rootsweb.com/ > > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community
Jean, Do you know when you will be in Fermanagh? I'd love to meet with you whenever you are here. I am/was a CROZIER. My Crozier family naming patterns have RICHARD, Uncle, Gt Uncle 1st, 2nd and 3rd Cousins. JOHN, Father, Cousin, GFather and GGfather. One John Crozier, cousin of my GFather joined his Cousin Richard in USA, then crossed into Canada, Toronto. My Uncle Richard Benjamin was in Toronto for a few years with relatives. He was taken ill and my father went to Nurse him. Then bring him back to Ireland just before the outbreak of WW1. Regards Viola Sent from my iPad
Carl If you have the 111 markers can you match at all with someone who has an autosomal test? My Maguires are on my maternal GGGrandmother’s side. Not many go for the 111 markers test. All my male relatives are descended from the same couple with a male McDonnell. Direct line would be female and I only have one of those in a female line. Am I making sense? 1 female I can trace in a direct line to my female Maguire. Janet Morgan > On Jun 20, 2018, at 4:11 AM, Viola Wiggins <vmaw3434@gmail.com> wrote: > > Jean, > Do you know when you will be in Fermanagh? I'd love to meet with you whenever you are here. > I am/was a CROZIER. > My Crozier family naming patterns have RICHARD, Uncle, Gt Uncle 1st, 2nd and 3rd Cousins. > JOHN, Father, Cousin, GFather and GGfather. > One John Crozier, cousin of my GFather joined his Cousin Richard in USA, then crossed into Canada, Toronto. My Uncle Richard Benjamin was in Toronto for a few years with relatives. He was taken ill and my father went to Nurse him. Then bring him back to Ireland just before the outbreak of WW1. > Regards > Viola > > Sent from my iPad > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/postorius/lists/fermanagh-gold@rootsweb.com/ > > Archives: https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/hyperkitty/list/fermanagh-gold@rootsweb.com/ > > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community
Janet if you are a Maguire descendant you could compare your autosomal dna with Carl’s if he has had his tested. This may show up a connection out to about 5th cousins depending on whether you both inherited the same bits. As far as I am aware you cannot compare autosomal and Y-DNA (or mtDNA for that matter). Margaret in Oz.
To clarify: What is the "Family Finder" on FTDNA? Autosomal or Mtdna? I bought into that too, and have found a couple of 4th cousins confirmed, and another couple that we have not confirmed yet. On Ydna at 111 markers, Stephen J. Maguire (of this list) and I match at a genetic distance of 5. And we haven't found our common ancestor. I'm reluctant to spend any more money until I get some action on what I've thus far put into it. Its damn expensive. Carl On 2018-06-20, at 5:16 PM, Margaret Barnes wrote: > Janet if you are a Maguire descendant you could compare your autosomal dna with Carl’s if he has had his tested. This may show up a connection out to about 5th cousins depending on whether you both inherited the same bits. > As far as I am aware you cannot compare autosomal and Y-DNA (or mtDNA for that matter). > > Margaret in Oz. > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/postorius/lists/fermanagh-gold@rootsweb.com/ > > Archives: https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/hyperkitty/list/fermanagh-gold@rootsweb.com/ > > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community
Carl, Family Finder is the autosomal dna test. Mitochondrial traces your mother's line. A man cannot pass on mitochondrial dna, altho he inherits it from his mother. A woman passes on her motochondrial dna to her sons and daughters. Also, it is important for the older generation to be tested first..I had my Mom tested. She is a geberation ahead, so matches people I do not. There are some good U tube videos explaining it all. Maurice Gleeson has some excellent ones. Anne On Wed, Jun 20, 2018, 10:27 PM Carl Maguire, <cmaguire@northwestel.net> wrote: > To clarify: > > What is the "Family Finder" on FTDNA? Autosomal or Mtdna? I bought into > that too, and have found a couple of 4th cousins confirmed, and another > couple that we have not confirmed yet. > > On Ydna at 111 markers, Stephen J. Maguire (of this list) and I match at a > genetic distance of 5. And we haven't found our common ancestor. > > I'm reluctant to spend any more money until I get some action on what I've > thus far put into it. Its damn expensive. > > Carl > > On 2018-06-20, at 5:16 PM, Margaret Barnes wrote: > > > Janet if you are a Maguire descendant you could compare your autosomal > dna with Carl’s if he has had his tested. This may show up a connection > out to about 5th cousins depending on whether you both inherited the same > bits. > > As far as I am aware you cannot compare autosomal and Y-DNA (or mtDNA > for that matter). > > > > Margaret in Oz. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > > > > Unsubscribe > https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/postorius/lists/fermanagh-gold@rootsweb.com/ > > > > Archives: > https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/hyperkitty/list/fermanagh-gold@rootsweb.com/ > > > > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > > > > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > community > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > > Unsubscribe > https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/postorius/lists/fermanagh-gold@rootsweb.com/ > > Archives: > https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/hyperkitty/list/fermanagh-gold@rootsweb.com/ > > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > community >
Hi Carl Family Finder is an autosomal DNA test. Regards David Johnston Australia > On 21 Jun 2018, at 12:29 pm, Carl Maguire <cmaguire@northwestel.net> wrote: > > To clarify: > > What is the "Family Finder" on FTDNA? Autosomal or Mtdna? I bought into that too, and have found a couple of 4th cousins confirmed, and another couple that we have not confirmed yet. > > On Ydna at 111 markers, Stephen J. Maguire (of this list) and I match at a genetic distance of 5. And we haven't found our common ancestor. > > I'm reluctant to spend any more money until I get some action on what I've thus far put into it. Its damn expensive. > > Carl
Thanks folks. On 2018-06-20, at 7:50 PM, David Johnston via FERMANAGH-GOLD wrote: > Hi Carl > > Family Finder is an autosomal DNA test. > > Regards > David Johnston > Australia > >> On 21 Jun 2018, at 12:29 pm, Carl Maguire <cmaguire@northwestel.net> wrote: >> >> To clarify: >> >> What is the "Family Finder" on FTDNA? Autosomal or Mtdna? I bought into that too, and have found a couple of 4th cousins confirmed, and another couple that we have not confirmed yet. >> >> On Ydna at 111 markers, Stephen J. Maguire (of this list) and I match at a genetic distance of 5. And we haven't found our common ancestor. >> >> I'm reluctant to spend any more money until I get some action on what I've thus far put into it. Its damn expensive. >> >> Carl > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/postorius/lists/fermanagh-gold@rootsweb.com/ > > Archives: https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/hyperkitty/list/fermanagh-gold@rootsweb.com/ > > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community
Hi, Carl, autosomal DNA refers to the first 22 chromosomes, and familytreedna.com uses the term FamilyFinder to refer to this autosomal DNA. The 23rd chromosome is the xx or xy chromosome that controls whether the baby is a girl or boy. We get autosomal DNA from both our parents. mtDNA is only from the mothers and yDNA is only from the fathers. familytreedna tests all three, autosomal/FamilyFinder, mtDNA, and yDNA. AncestryDNA does not test mtDNA and yDNA; it tests only autosomal. Shirley in hot sunny Florida On Wed, Jun 20, 2018 at 10:29 PM, Carl Maguire <cmaguire@northwestel.net> wrote: > To clarify: > > What is the "Family Finder" on FTDNA? Autosomal or Mtdna? I bought into > that too, and have found a couple of 4th cousins confirmed, and another > couple that we have not confirmed yet. > > On Ydna at 111 markers, Stephen J. Maguire (of this list) and I match at a > genetic distance of 5. And we haven't found our common ancestor. > > I'm reluctant to spend any more money until I get some action on what I've > thus far put into it. Its damn expensive. > > Carl > > On 2018-06-20, at 5:16 PM, Margaret Barnes wrote: > > > Janet if you are a Maguire descendant you could compare your autosomal > dna with Carl’s if he has had his tested. This may show up a connection > out to about 5th cousins depending on whether you both inherited the same > bits. > > As far as I am aware you cannot compare autosomal and Y-DNA (or mtDNA > for that matter). > > > > Margaret in Oz. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > > > > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/postorius/lists/ > fermanagh-gold@rootsweb.com/ > > > > Archives: https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/hyperkitty/list/ > fermanagh-gold@rootsweb.com/ > > > > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > > > > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > community > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/postorius/lists/ > fermanagh-gold@rootsweb.com/ > > Archives: https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/hyperkitty/list/ > fermanagh-gold@rootsweb.com/ > > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > community > >
Family Finder is autosomal DNA. Mt DNA and Y DNA can also be ordered on FTDNA. Bonnie in Kitchener On Wed, Jun 20, 2018 at 10:29 PM, Carl Maguire <cmaguire@northwestel.net> wrote: > To clarify: > > What is the "Family Finder" on FTDNA? Autosomal or Mtdna? I bought into > that too, and have found a couple of 4th cousins confirmed, and another > couple that we have not confirmed yet. > >
FamilyFinder is the term familytreedna uses for its test of the autosomal DNA, the first 22 chromosomes. Others test the autosomal DNA but they call their test something else. Shirley On Sun, Jun 24, 2018 at 6:59 PM, Bonnie Anderson <bmacheson@gmail.com> wrote: > Family Finder is autosomal DNA. Mt DNA and Y DNA can also be ordered on > FTDNA. > > Bonnie in Kitchener > > On Wed, Jun 20, 2018 at 10:29 PM, Carl Maguire <cmaguire@northwestel.net> > wrote: > > > To clarify: > > > > What is the "Family Finder" on FTDNA? Autosomal or Mtdna? I bought into > > that too, and have found a couple of 4th cousins confirmed, and another > > couple that we have not confirmed yet. > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/postorius/lists/ > fermanagh-gold@rootsweb.com/ > > Archives: https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/hyperkitty/list/ > fermanagh-gold@rootsweb.com/ > > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > community > >
Ancestry websites that tell you if you're a viking are 'complete bunkum', says expert in ancient DNA https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/06/25/ancestry-websites-tell-viking-complete-bunkum-says-expert-ancient/?WT.mc_id=tmg_share_em [https://www.telegraph.co.uk/content/dam/news/2018/06/25/ancestry-xlarge_trans_NvBQzQNjv4Bqeo_i_u9APj8RuoebjoAHt0k9u7HhRJvuo-ZLenGRumA.jpg]<https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/06/25/ancestry-websites-tell-viking-complete-bunkum-says-expert-ancient/?WT.mc_id=tmg_share_em> Ancestry websites that tell you if you're a viking are 'complete bunkum', says expert in ancient DNA<https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/06/25/ancestry-websites-tell-viking-complete-bunkum-says-expert-ancient/?WT.mc_id=tmg_share_em> www.telegraph.co.uk Ancestry companies who say they can link you back to the Vikings is “complete bunkum”, according to a scientist who worked on the DNA of Cheddar Man. Sent from Outlook<http://aka.ms/weboutlook> ________________________________ From: Shirley Smith <salsmith1952@gmail.com> Sent: 25 June 2018 00:23 To: This list is for those researching their ancestors in Fermanagh and surrounding counties in Ireland Subject: FERMANAGH-GOLD -Re: Autosomal, Mt, or Y DNa FamilyFinder is the term familytreedna uses for its test of the autosomal DNA, the first 22 chromosomes. Others test the autosomal DNA but they call their test something else. Shirley On Sun, Jun 24, 2018 at 6:59 PM, Bonnie Anderson <bmacheson@gmail.com> wrote: > Family Finder is autosomal DNA. Mt DNA and Y DNA can also be ordered on > FTDNA. > > Bonnie in Kitchener > > On Wed, Jun 20, 2018 at 10:29 PM, Carl Maguire <cmaguire@northwestel.net> > wrote: > > > To clarify: > > > > What is the "Family Finder" on FTDNA? Autosomal or Mtdna? I bought into > > that too, and have found a couple of 4th cousins confirmed, and another > > couple that we have not confirmed yet. > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/postorius/lists/ > fermanagh-gold@rootsweb.com/ > > Archives: https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/hyperkitty/list/ > fermanagh-gold@rootsweb.com/ > > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > community > > _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/postorius/lists/fermanagh-gold@rootsweb.com/ Archives: https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/hyperkitty/list/fermanagh-gold@rootsweb.com/ Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community
Sorry my original post bounced! ________________________________ From: Ulster Ancestry <ulsterancestry@hotmail.com> Subject: FERMANAGH-GOLD -Re: DNA bunkam says expert Ancestry websites that tell you if you're a viking are 'complete bunkum', says expert in ancient DNA https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/06/25/ancestry-websites-tell-viking-complete-bunkum-says-expert-ancient/?WT.mc_id=tmg_share_em [https://www.telegraph.co.uk/content/dam/news/2018/06/25/ancestry-xlarge_trans_NvBQzQNjv4Bqeo_i_u9APj8RuoebjoAHt0k9u7HhRJvuo-ZLenGRumA.jpg]<https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/06/25/ancestry-websites-tell-viking-complete-bunkum-says-expert-ancient/?WT.mc_id=tmg_share_em> Ancestry websites that tell you if you're a viking are 'complete bunkum', says expert in ancient DNA<https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/06/25/ancestry-websites-tell-viking-complete-bunkum-says-expert-ancient/?WT.mc_id=tmg_share_em> www.telegraph.co.uk<http://www.telegraph.co.uk> Ancestry companies who say they can link you back to the Vikings is “complete bunkum”, according to a scientist who worked on the DNA of Cheddar Man. On Sun, Jun 24, 2018 at 6:59 PM, Bonnie Anderson <bmacheson@gmail.com> wrote: > Family Finder is autosomal DNA. Mt DNA and Y DNA can also be ordered on > FTDNA. > > Bonnie in Kitchener > > On Wed, Jun 20, 2018 at 10:29 PM, Carl Maguire <cmaguire@northwestel.net> > wrote: > > > To clarify: > > > > What is the "Family Finder" on FTDNA? Autosomal or Mtdna? I bought into > > that too, and have found a couple of 4th cousins confirmed, and another > > couple that we have not confirmed yet. > > >
One of my kits which is Haplogroup I1 has many matches with Scandinavian surnames. We can presume from that the ancestor was from Scandinavia but whether that means he was a Viking who knows. Margaret in Oz.
You can be a Norseperson and not be involved with all the plundering and pillaging. Just sayin'. Carl On 2018-06-26, at 6:08 PM, Margaret Barnes wrote: > One of my kits which is Haplogroup I1 has many matches with Scandinavian surnames. > We can presume from that the ancestor was from Scandinavia but whether that means he > was a Viking who knows. > > Margaret in Oz. > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/postorius/lists/fermanagh-gold@rootsweb.com/ > > Archives: https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/hyperkitty/list/fermanagh-gold@rootsweb.com/ > > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community
C'mon, Carl. You know you'd enjoy a spot of plundering and pillaging, what with the viking blood 'n all! I did read a very interesting book by a geneticist that I posted about maybe a month ago, and basically he said these commercial tests were very inaccurate. He had tested himself with four different companies and then tested in the research lab in which he worked and found that none of the companies were anywhere near accurate. I decided to go ahead anyway for a bit of fun. I think the message he gave is to take the haplogroups with a grain of salt, and if you find a cousin or two and break down a wall then you are a winner. Eilish On 27/06/2018 12:30 PM, Carl Maguire wrote: > You can be a Norseperson and not be involved with all the plundering and pillaging. Just sayin'. > Carl > > On 2018-06-26, at 6:08 PM, Margaret Barnes wrote: > >> _______________________________________________ >>
Hi All, Many of you have had your DNA done through various companies, whether it be FT, Ancestry, 23 and me or another. Here's what happened to me. A friend and I decided to get both our autosomal and mtDNA tests done through FTDNA. Obviously we are both female. FTDNA advertise that they accept Paypal. They do and they don't. We started this odyssey in January and what started as a fun and exciting excursion into what lies inside became a nightmare. First, we couldn't pay by Paypal as advertised, but had to go through an administrative process, the likes of which would make getting into the Kremlin inner circle a walk in the park. A series of increasingly infuriating encounters with the most brain-addled staff kept my friend and me in a state of waiting and explaining and re-explaining what we wanted, ie. to pay via Paypal as advertised. We live in different states so there was no connection between us as customers other than the absolute failure of this company to give a link that would work to a Paypal process for which it is clear Family Tree would prefer not to use. We were both independently sent links that did not work, yet they insisted they did. So they'd send another. I asked why they didn't they just have a Paypal button to click at the check out like most vendors. No reply. My friend, after six months has given up. I told them their service was so poor that if they had any business sense they would try to remedy the situation by sending a free kit since they were able to offer such huge discounts for Mothers Day. No reply. I kept getting emails that I had not paid for my kit. I kept telling them I had received no viable link to pay them. This has gone on for months. Both of us have put in complaints. As they are located in Houston there was a phrase I was dying to use! The final outcome is that after 6 months , a test arrived in my mail box last week. It was a yDNA test. As mentioned, I am a female. If they can't read what's in my cart, I no longer trust them enough to give them my DNA because I might get the results of someone else's scrapings given their track record so far. Anyway after 6 months, I have given up on them. Not come across such appalling service in years. So if you want to use PayPal rather than give out your credit card details to a bunch of morons, beware of FTDNA. If you use your credit card there are likely no problems. Not at least in the short term. Eilish On 25/06/2018 8:59 AM, Bonnie Anderson wrote: > Family Finder is autosomal DNA. Mt DNA and Y DNA can also be ordered on > FTDNA. > > Bonnie in Kitchener > > On Wed, Jun 20, 2018 at 10:29 PM, Carl Maguire <cmaguire@northwestel.net> > wrote: >