My Snows left Ireland between 1845 and 1850 and settled in Middlesbrough. I have long believed that they came from Fermanagh, but the only links I could find to Snows in Fermanagh were their religion (Roman Catholic), a cousin born in Enniskillen, and the names Joseph, James, John, Patrick, Matthew, Thomas and Francis occurring in both places. The two Middlesbrough Snow families were headed by Alice widow of John (farmer) and Mary widow of Patrick (farmer), both born in the 1790's. My ggg-grandparents were John and Alice. I don't know how John and Patrick are related, but the Tithe Applotment Books list a Pat Snow and a widow John Snow in Tully as well as a John Snow in St. Catherines. Now I have an Ancestry DNA match to a mother and daughter, descendants of Matthew Snow and Rose McHugh who had two children baptised in Devenish in 1853 and 1857. I'm an estimated 4th cousin match to the mother and a 5th cousin match to the daughter. My sister doesn't match either of them, but another Middlesbrough Snow, my double 4th cousin, is a 4th cousin or closer match to the mother. Sheila Woods in Canada
Hello Sheila, I think we may have briefly corresponded some time ago, is this correct? We are related in that I am the g-g-granddaughter of James Snow born c 1795 in Tully Townland, and Mary Keown born c1798 in Cornahilta Townland, Fermanagh. This James is seen in GV's as renting a small cottage and garden at Beagh Little, and his son also James Snow working the farm at Tully. I have to go to the mainland right now, but will be in contact with you tomorrow when I am back home. Several other Snow relations are searching the tree also, so we are not alone. Kindly, Dee Byster-Graham. Moreton Bay, Australia. -----Original Message----- From: smwoods@mymts.net [mailto:smwoods@mymts.net] Sent: Wednesday, 30 May 2018 10:52 AM To: fermanagh-gold@rootsweb.com Subject: FERMANAGH-GOLD -DNA links Middlesbrough Snows to Fermanagh My Snows left Ireland between 1845 and 1850 and settled in Middlesbrough. I have long believed that they came from Fermanagh, but the only links I could find to Snows in Fermanagh were their religion (Roman Catholic), a cousin born in Enniskillen, and the names Joseph, James, John, Patrick, Matthew, Thomas and Francis occurring in both places. The two Middlesbrough Snow families were headed by Alice widow of John (farmer) and Mary widow of Patrick (farmer), both born in the 1790's. My ggg-grandparents were John and Alice. I don't know how John and Patrick are related, but the Tithe Applotment Books list a Pat Snow and a widow John Snow in Tully as well as a John Snow in St. Catherines. Now I have an Ancestry DNA match to a mother and daughter, descendants of Matthew Snow and Rose McHugh who had two children baptised in Devenish in 1853 and 1857. I'm an estimated 4th cousin match to the mother and a 5th cousin match to the daughter. My sister doesn't match either of them, but another Middlesbrough Snow, my double 4th cousin, is a 4th cousin or closer match to the mother. Sheila Woods in Canada _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/postorius/lists/fermanagh-gold@rootsweb. com/ Archives: https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/hyperkitty/list/fermanagh-gold@rootsweb. com/ Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus
Hello Sheila, Shall try to answer a few of your questions in this mail, and shall email you directly my musings of the origin of the SNOW family off line. You hit the nail on the head with the plethora of common given names in every branch in every generation. Thus we have several James, Patrick, Susan etc etc alive together, all cousins, in the same small County. It's something of a nightmare to sort them all out, and I have spent about 8 years now in the search. Querry: do you refer to Middlesborough, England or in USA? All Roman Catholic, all live in Fermanagh, and every SNOW is of the same family. The original SNOW names I have are: Patrick 1768-1848; Catherine 1786-1866; Sarah 1788-1868; John 1790-1861; James 1792-1860; Francis 1815-1903 this last could be a child of one of the earlier names given here. John SNOW 1790-1851 married Alice ? no other data so far. Children: Hugh; Joan; John; Joseph; James and probably others. Patrick SNOW 1768-1848 married Mary ? no other data so far. Children: Mary Anne b 1824; Thomas b 1826; Alice b1837; Matthew b 1841 probably others. Question: are John and Patrick brothers, or son and father? Either could be equally correct - it is not unknown for the SNOW mem to marry very late in life and father large families. At this stage I am assuming they are brothers - again, only 22 years apart. One Patrick SNOW is recorded in the Enniskillen Workhouse - found dirty, starving, demented, and wandering during the Famine year 1848; he died in the Workhouse. Are these two Patricks the same man? Matthew SNOW of Beagh Big (born Tully) married Rose McHugh of ? several of us working to find Rose's parents and place of birth - Fermanagh somewhere. Matthew is the son of James SNOW of Beagh Little (formerly of Tully) and Mary Keown of Cornahilta, Fermanagh. This pair are my g-g-grandparents. Matthew and Rose had many children, most lived in Fermanagh, some immigrated to USA. When Matthew died sometime in the 1870's Rose (who was then blind) went to live with their eldest son, Matthew of Ardshankill Boa Island. Kindest regards, Dee. -----Original Message----- From: smwoods@mymts.net [mailto:smwoods@mymts.net] Sent: Wednesday, 30 May 2018 10:52 AM To: fermanagh-gold@rootsweb.com Subject: FERMANAGH-GOLD -DNA links Middlesbrough Snows to Fermanagh My Snows left Ireland between 1845 and 1850 and settled in Middlesbrough. I have long believed that they came from Fermanagh, but the only links I could find to Snows in Fermanagh were their religion (Roman Catholic), a cousin born in Enniskillen, and the names Joseph, James, John, Patrick, Matthew, Thomas and Francis occurring in both places. The two Middlesbrough Snow families were headed by Alice widow of John (farmer) and Mary widow of Patrick (farmer), both born in the 1790's. My ggg-grandparents were John and Alice. I don't know how John and Patrick are related, but the Tithe Applotment Books list a Pat Snow and a widow John Snow in Tully as well as a John Snow in St. Catherines. Now I have an Ancestry DNA match to a mother and daughter, descendants of Matthew Snow and Rose McHugh who had two children baptised in Devenish in 1853 and 1857. I'm an estimated 4th cousin match to the mother and a 5th cousin match to the daughter. My sister doesn't match either of them, but another Middlesbrough Snow, my double 4th cousin, is a 4th cousin or closer match to the mother. Sheila Woods in Canada _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/postorius/lists/fermanagh-gold@rootsweb. com/ Archives: https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/hyperkitty/list/fermanagh-gold@rootsweb. com/ Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus
Sheila, Re DNA: My daughter, Joanne, purchased Ancestry DNA kits for herself and me as my Mother's Day present earlier this year. Jo's came back, and exactly what we expected. From memory, 2 SNOW matches. Due to my undergoing recent radiation treatment, I kept my kit for 4 months and then sent it for analysis. Unfortunately, yesterday Ancestry notified me that they could not obtain a result form my DNA, and have re-issues another kit so I shall try again. When it arrives I shall again wait for a few months for the dead cells to disappear before sending it back. We will finally be able to compare. Eilish, on this list, is also related to Matthew and Rose, she will also have the test. Kindly, Dee. -----Original Message----- From: smwoods@mymts.net [mailto:smwoods@mymts.net] Sent: Wednesday, 30 May 2018 10:52 AM To: fermanagh-gold@rootsweb.com Subject: FERMANAGH-GOLD -DNA links Middlesbrough Snows to Fermanagh My Snows left Ireland between 1845 and 1850 and settled in Middlesbrough. I have long believed that they came from Fermanagh, but the only links I could find to Snows in Fermanagh were their religion (Roman Catholic), a cousin born in Enniskillen, and the names Joseph, James, John, Patrick, Matthew, Thomas and Francis occurring in both places. The two Middlesbrough Snow families were headed by Alice widow of John (farmer) and Mary widow of Patrick (farmer), both born in the 1790's. My ggg-grandparents were John and Alice. I don't know how John and Patrick are related, but the Tithe Applotment Books list a Pat Snow and a widow John Snow in Tully as well as a John Snow in St. Catherines. Now I have an Ancestry DNA match to a mother and daughter, descendants of Matthew Snow and Rose McHugh who had two children baptised in Devenish in 1853 and 1857. I'm an estimated 4th cousin match to the mother and a 5th cousin match to the daughter. My sister doesn't match either of them, but another Middlesbrough Snow, my double 4th cousin, is a 4th cousin or closer match to the mother. Sheila Woods in Canada _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/postorius/lists/fermanagh-gold@rootsweb. com/ Archives: https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/hyperkitty/list/fermanagh-gold@rootsweb. com/ Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus
Sheila, You are doing good detective work! I know it is frustrating. I wish these people had not just said in: parish book, census records and tombstones that they were from “Ireland.” In one cemetery, near Ottawa, I found an Adam Geddes, wife Mary Ann Nixon, who was from Fermanagh, (tombstone) so I thought it likely that others in the cemetery were from Fermanagh. Putting this evidence together with other clues, including dna evidence, helps to build a case. Anne in Ottawa, Ontario From: Dee Byster-Graham Sent: May 30, 2018 2:26 AM To: 'This list is for those researching their ancestors in Fermanagh and surrounding counties in Ireland' Subject: FERMANAGH-GOLD -Re: DNA links Middlesbrough Snows to Fermanagh Sheila, Re DNA: My daughter, Joanne, purchased Ancestry DNA kits for herself and me as my Mother's Day present earlier this year. Jo's came back, and exactly what we expected. From memory, 2 SNOW matches. Due to my undergoing recent radiation treatment, I kept my kit for 4 months and then sent it for analysis. Unfortunately, yesterday Ancestry notified me that they could not obtain a result form my DNA, and have re-issues another kit so I shall try again. When it arrives I shall again wait for a few months for the dead cells to disappear before sending it back. We will finally be able to compare. Eilish, on this list, is also related to Matthew and Rose, she will also have the test. Kindly, Dee. -----Original Message----- From: smwoods@mymts.net [mailto:smwoods@mymts.net] Sent: Wednesday, 30 May 2018 10:52 AM To: fermanagh-gold@rootsweb.com Subject: FERMANAGH-GOLD -DNA links Middlesbrough Snows to Fermanagh My Snows left Ireland between 1845 and 1850 and settled in Middlesbrough. I have long believed that they came from Fermanagh, but the only links I could find to Snows in Fermanagh were their religion (Roman Catholic), a cousin born in Enniskillen, and the names Joseph, James, John, Patrick, Matthew, Thomas and Francis occurring in both places. The two Middlesbrough Snow families were headed by Alice widow of John (farmer) and Mary widow of Patrick (farmer), both born in the 1790's. My ggg-grandparents were John and Alice. I don't know how John and Patrick are related, but the Tithe Applotment Books list a Pat Snow and a widow John Snow in Tully as well as a John Snow in St. Catherines. Now I have an Ancestry DNA match to a mother and daughter, descendants of Matthew Snow and Rose McHugh who had two children baptised in Devenish in 1853 and 1857. I'm an estimated 4th cousin match to the mother and a 5th cousin match to the daughter. My sister doesn't match either of them, but another Middlesbrough Snow, my double 4th cousin, is a 4th cousin or closer match to the mother. Sheila Woods in Canada _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/postorius/lists/fermanagh-gold@rootsweb. com/ Archives: https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/hyperkitty/list/fermanagh-gold@rootsweb. com/ Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/postorius/lists/fermanagh-gold@rootsweb.com/ Archives: https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/hyperkitty/list/fermanagh-gold@rootsweb.com/ Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community
Sheila Have you looked at the FreeCen And FreeBmd websites for your family in Middlesborough, North Riding Yorkshire. Those BMDs are Transcribed records and Free to Search. Dates are shown by quarters of the year If you find a Marriage click on the Page Number will give you a selection of the 2nd party. There are a lot of BMD records for SNOW in Middlesborough. A good few DUFFY and DOLAN as well. None there in 1821 and I've not looked at the other census dates available. It might be worth checking Telephone Directories for a living descendant still in the area. Yorkshire folk. Tend to stick close to home. I lived in Yorkshire for over 35 years. Good hunting. Regards Viola Sent from my iPad > On 30 May 2018, at 01:52, <smwoods@mymts.net> <smwoods@mymts.net> wrote: > > My Snows left Ireland between 1845 and 1850 and settled in Middlesbrough. I > have long believed that they came from Fermanagh, but the only links I could > find to Snows in Fermanagh were their religion (Roman Catholic), a cousin > born in Enniskillen, and the names Joseph, James, John, Patrick, Matthew, > Thomas and Francis occurring in both places. The two Middlesbrough Snow > families were headed by Alice widow of John (farmer) and Mary widow of > Patrick (farmer), both born in the 1790's. My ggg-grandparents were John and > Alice. I don't know how John and Patrick are related, but the Tithe > Applotment Books list a Pat Snow and a widow John Snow in Tully as well as a > John Snow in St. Catherines. > > Now I have an Ancestry DNA match to a mother and daughter, descendants of > Matthew Snow and Rose McHugh who had two children baptised in Devenish in > 1853 and 1857. I'm an estimated 4th cousin match to the mother and a 5th > cousin match to the daughter. My sister doesn't match either of them, but > another Middlesbrough Snow, my double 4th cousin, is a 4th cousin or closer > match to the mother. > > Sheila Woods in Canada > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/postorius/lists/fermanagh-gold@rootsweb.com/ > > Archives: https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/hyperkitty/list/fermanagh-gold@rootsweb.com/ > > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community