Hi everyone, I will get the ball rolling! If you have ever had an ancestor you are obsessed with this is him for me.. Benjamin Beatty b. circa mid 1780's in Fermanagh Ireland. It is assumed he married in Ireland abt 1820 to Sarah Robertson (Robinson) listed both ways.. They had 3 children in Ireland Helen abt 1821 William abt 1823 James abt 1825 Then he is next found living in Portpatrick Scotland area having 5 more kids! This info taken from Urquart census records. On all of his children records Benjamin is listed as an Army Pentioner or Soldier of Royal West India Rangers! His wife's death certificate lists her as receiving an annuity! This is where I am stuck. I hired a professional genealogist in UK to find his Military records as I could find none.. She sent me a list of all the records she searched and finds no Benjamin Beatty in those records. The time frame checked was mid 1790's to 1820! Any Ideas I am stuck??? Mardi

Royal West Indian Rangers Mardi GOOGLE is your best friend. I see that after the Napoleon Wars that a number of the RWIRs were granted lands around New Brunswick. Try to ascertain where in Fermanagh his family were from. There was almost always family and Siblings remaining 'at home' after one migrated or joined up to send money home to help support their Parents or Siblings. Some returned home on visits some did not. If you found the parish that the three children were born/baptised in look for the Surname in the Tithe/Tythe records for that area. Next look for the family name in Griffiths Valuation which was published c1862. If the Townland was in Fermanagh follow the changes of occupier in the Cancelled Vaaluation Records on line Ref VAL/12/B from PRONI, between 1862 up to about 1920. The next records available are the 1901 Census (ages were rounded down) and then the 1911 Census where ages can leap forward by more than ten years because the Old Age Pension had been introduced and there had to be a record of their CORRECT age to qualify. Even if the occupier changed in the Cancelled Valuations, check the date in the RT hand Margin and look for a girl of the family marrying that new occupier around that date. Regards Viola Sent from my iPad > > Hi everyone, I will get the ball rolling! > > If you have ever had an ancestor you are obsessed with this is him for me.. > > Benjamin Beatty b. circa mid 1780's in Fermanagh Ireland. It is assumed he > married in Ireland abt 1820 to Sarah Robertson (Robinson) listed both > ways.. > > They had 3 children in Ireland > Helen abt 1821 > William abt 1823 > James abt 1825 > > Then he is next found living in Portpatrick Scotland area having 5 more > kids! > > This info taken from Urquart census records. > > On all of his children records Benjamin is listed as an Army Pentioner or > Soldier of Royal West India Rangers! His wife's death certificate lists > her as receiving an annuity! > > This is where I am stuck. I hired a professional genealogist in UK to find > his Military records as I could find none.. She sent me a list of all the > records she searched and finds no Benjamin Beatty in those records. The > time frame checked was mid 1790's to 1820! > > Any Ideas I am stuck??? > > Mardi > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/postorius/lists/fermanagh-gold@rootsweb.com/ > > Archives: https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/hyperkitty/list/fermanagh-gold@rootsweb.com/ > > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

Hi Viola, I have checked to see if he was released in New Brunswick and of course he wasn't.. Two of his brothers immigrated to New Brunswick: William and his Wife Lucia in 1816 James (single) in 1818 Both of these guys only list natives of Fermanagh on land petitions. In 1836 There nephew William and his wife Margaret (?) Beatty immigrated with 4 sons and Benjamins sister Elizabeth's daughter Mary Brown and a Thomas Jasper Beatty not sure of a connection but immigrated together and both lived very close to each other possibly brothers or twins there birth year is estimated both to be 1803. Two of Nephew Williams sons were baptized in Galloon parish James in 1827 Robert in 1828 but can't find the baptism's of Thomas and John. So I am assuming they moved to a different area as Galloon parish records for these years is available and they are not listed. Benjamins sister Esther married a Mayne and was in Portpatrick with her husband also. Benjamin's sister Elizabeth married a Brown and was the living near Brookborough. I only know of the one child Mary that came to Canada in 1836. There is only one Brother that is missing a location. His Name is John and has one son that is named Benjamin but don't know if he was still in Fermanagh or if he was somewhere else. There is no death certificate for Mary to find parents names. I have been unable to locate Elizabeth and her husband no first name given. So I have two parishes Galloon and Aughavea I will check Aughavea to see if I can find records there! Thanks Mardi

Mardi, I found a record that may, or may not be, what you are looking for at FMP - British India Office Pension registers. I am sending a copy to you directly. Slán, Marge in Southern California Searching: Golden, Sullivan, Kelly, Shea, O'Connor in Kerry and Connecticut Fee, Cassidy, Gilbride in Fermanagh, Cavan and Connecticut Lynch in Kildare, Limerick and Connecticut Walsh, Stackpole, Garry, Donovan, Doyle, Clowney/Clooney, King in Kildare | From: "Mardi Carlson" <mardic75@gmail.com> | To: "fermanagh-gold" <FERMANAGH-GOLD@rootsweb.com> | Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2018 8:41:39 AM | Subject: FERMANAGH-GOLD -Dead end? Need Ideas! | Hi everyone, I will get the ball rolling! | If you have ever had an ancestor you are obsessed with this is him for me.. | Benjamin Beatty b. circa mid 1780's in Fermanagh Ireland. It is assumed he | married in Ireland abt 1820 to Sarah Robertson (Robinson) listed both | ways.. | They had 3 children in Ireland | Helen abt 1821 | William abt 1823 | James abt 1825 | Then he is next found living in Portpatrick Scotland area having 5 more | kids! | This info taken from Urquart census records. | On all of his children records Benjamin is listed as an Army Pentioner or | Soldier of Royal West India Rangers! His wife's death certificate lists | her as receiving an annuity! | This is where I am stuck. I hired a professional genealogist in UK to find | his Military records as I could find none.. She sent me a list of all the | records she searched and finds no Benjamin Beatty in those records. The | time frame checked was mid 1790's to 1820! | Any Ideas I am stuck??? | Mardi | _______________________________________________ | Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref | Unsubscribe | https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/postorius/lists/fermanagh-gold@rootsweb.com/ | Archives: | https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/hyperkitty/list/fermanagh-gold@rootsweb.com/ | Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: | https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 | RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb | community

G’day Mardi The Royal West India Rangers has nothing to do with India. There are records of the Regiment in TNA. The Regiment was disbanded in New Brunswick in 1819. Does the provincial archives in St John have a records for the Regiment such as discharge papers or land grants? I would assume that after being disbanded, its members continued to have military obligations as Fencibles? < http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/c/F268318 > By the way, was the professional whom you engaged a specialist in military family history? If not, you might may like to ask Bob O’Hara who specialises in such research for a quote. He lives literally just across the road from TNA and has previously given me excellent service including sorting out two Robert Morrows both born in Northern Ireland in the 1820s, both joined the Royal Artillery; both married a “Mary”; and both had a daughter Ann/Anna born in Woolwich in 1847/8 with the birth of only one of the two Anns being registered (and it wasn’t the one who was my great great grandmother!). < http://www.searcher-na.co.uk/ > Finally, there’s the name Beatty with its variants such as Baty etc, but are you aware of its Gaelic version – McVitie? David Armstrong Maylands Western Australia From: Marge in SoCal Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2018 10:43 PM To: fermanagh-gold Subject: FERMANAGH-GOLD -Re: Dead end? Need Ideas! Mardi, I found a record that may, or may not be, what you are looking for at FMP - British India Office Pension registers. Slán, Marge in Southern California | From: "Mardi Carlson" <mardic75@gmail.com> | To: "fermanagh-gold" <FERMANAGH-GOLD@rootsweb.com> | Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2018 8:41:39 AM | Subject: FERMANAGH-GOLD -Dead end? Need Ideas! | Benjamin Beatty b. circa mid 1780's in Fermanagh Ireland. It is assumed he | married in Ireland abt 1820 to Sarah Robertson (Robinson) listed both | ways.. | They had 3 children in Ireland | Helen abt 1821 | William abt 1823 | James abt 1825 | Then he is next found living in Portpatrick Scotland area having 5 more | kids! | This info taken from Urquart census records. | On all of his children records Benjamin is listed as an Army Pentioner or | Soldier of Royal West India Rangers! His wife's death certificate lists | her as receiving an annuity! | This is where I am stuck. I hired a professional genealogist in UK to find | his Military records as I could find none.. She sent me a list of all the | records she searched and finds no Benjamin Beatty in those records. The | time frame checked was mid 1790's to 1820! | Any Ideas I am stuck??? | Mardi --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus

Yes they had the list of men disbanded there. Benjamin was not on the list. I have checked that and the records all online and had the research at the National archives.. there are no middle names until 2 generations later. Judith Mitchell did my research she was recommended by Simon Fowler that did not have any time. She is Listed at the AGRA as specializing in Military! I will shoot an email off to Bob O'Hara and see if he has time or any idea's? I’m just flabbergasted. I think maybe I’ll walk away from it and come at it with a fresh mind later. Thanks for your help. I appreciate it very much! Mardi On Wed, May 16, 2018 at 7:15 PM, DSA2003 <dsa2003@iinet.net.au> wrote: > G’day Mardi > > The Royal West India Rangers has nothing to do with India. There are > records of the Regiment in TNA. The Regiment was disbanded in New > Brunswick in 1819. Does the provincial archives in St John have a records > for the Regiment such as discharge papers or land grants? I would assume > that after being disbanded, its members continued to have military > obligations as Fencibles? > > < http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/c/F268318 > > > By the way, was the professional whom you engaged a specialist in military > family history? If not, you might may like to ask Bob O’Hara who > specialises in such research for a quote. He lives literally just across > the road from TNA and has previously given me excellent service including > sorting out two Robert Morrows both born in Northern Ireland in the 1820s, > both joined the Royal Artillery; both married a “Mary”; and both had a > daughter Ann/Anna born in Woolwich in 1847/8 with the birth of only one of > the two Anns being registered (and it wasn’t the one who was my great great > grandmother!). > > < http://www.searcher-na.co.uk/ > > > Finally, there’s the name Beatty with its variants such as Baty etc, but > are you aware of its Gaelic version – McVitie? > > David Armstrong > > Maylands > Western Australia > > > > From: Marge in SoCal > Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2018 10:43 PM > To: fermanagh-gold > Subject: FERMANAGH-GOLD -Re: Dead end? Need Ideas! > > Mardi, > > I found a record that may, or may not be, what you are looking for at FMP > - British India Office Pension registers. > > Slán, > Marge in Southern California > > | From: "Mardi Carlson" <mardic75@gmail.com> > | To: "fermanagh-gold" <FERMANAGH-GOLD@rootsweb.com> > | Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2018 8:41:39 AM > | Subject: FERMANAGH-GOLD -Dead end? Need Ideas! > > > | Benjamin Beatty b. circa mid 1780's in Fermanagh Ireland. It is assumed > he > | married in Ireland abt 1820 to Sarah Robertson (Robinson) listed both > | ways.. > > | They had 3 children in Ireland > | Helen abt 1821 > | William abt 1823 > | James abt 1825 > > | Then he is next found living in Portpatrick Scotland area having 5 more > | kids! > > | This info taken from Urquart census records. > > | On all of his children records Benjamin is listed as an Army Pentioner or > | Soldier of Royal West India Rangers! His wife's death certificate lists > | her as receiving an annuity! > > | This is where I am stuck. I hired a professional genealogist in UK to > find > | his Military records as I could find none.. She sent me a list of all the > | records she searched and finds no Benjamin Beatty in those records. The > | time frame checked was mid 1790's to 1820! > > | Any Ideas I am stuck??? > > | Mardi > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/postorius/lists/ > fermanagh-gold@rootsweb.com/ > > Archives: https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/hyperkitty/list/ > fermanagh-gold@rootsweb.com/ > > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > community >

I wanted to thank you again. I’ve been in contact with Bob O’Hara and he said he’d help! Mardi On Wed, May 16, 2018 at 8:37 PM Mardi Carlson <mardic75@gmail.com> wrote: > Yes they had the list of men disbanded there. Benjamin was not on the > list. I have checked that and the records all online and had the research > at the National archives.. there are no middle names until 2 generations > later. I’m just flabbergasted. I think maybe I’ll walk away from it and > come at it with a fresh mind later. Thanks for your help. I appreciate it > very much! > > Mardi > > On Wed, May 16, 2018 at 7:15 PM, DSA2003 <dsa2003@iinet.net.au> wrote: > >> G’day Mardi >> >> The Royal West India Rangers has nothing to do with India. There are >> records of the Regiment in TNA. The Regiment was disbanded in New >> Brunswick in 1819. Does the provincial archives in St John have a records >> for the Regiment such as discharge papers or land grants? I would assume >> that after being disbanded, its members continued to have military >> obligations as Fencibles? >> >> < http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/c/F268318 > >> >> By the way, was the professional whom you engaged a specialist in >> military family history? If not, you might may like to ask Bob O’Hara who >> specialises in such research for a quote. He lives literally just across >> the road from TNA and has previously given me excellent service including >> sorting out two Robert Morrows both born in Northern Ireland in the 1820s, >> both joined the Royal Artillery; both married a “Mary”; and both had a >> daughter Ann/Anna born in Woolwich in 1847/8 with the birth of only one of >> the two Anns being registered (and it wasn’t the one who was my great great >> grandmother!). >> >> < http://www.searcher-na.co.uk/ > >> >> Finally, there’s the name Beatty with its variants such as Baty etc, but >> are you aware of its Gaelic version – McVitie? >> >> David Armstrong >> >> Maylands >> Western Australia >> >> >> >> From: Marge in SoCal >> Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2018 10:43 PM >> To: fermanagh-gold >> Subject: FERMANAGH-GOLD -Re: Dead end? Need Ideas! >> >> Mardi, >> >> I found a record that may, or may not be, what you are looking for at FMP >> - British India Office Pension registers. >> >> Slán, >> Marge in Southern California >> >> | From: "Mardi Carlson" <mardic75@gmail.com> >> | To: "fermanagh-gold" <FERMANAGH-GOLD@rootsweb.com> >> | Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2018 8:41:39 AM >> | Subject: FERMANAGH-GOLD -Dead end? Need Ideas! >> >> >> | Benjamin Beatty b. circa mid 1780's in Fermanagh Ireland. It is assumed >> he >> | married in Ireland abt 1820 to Sarah Robertson (Robinson) listed both >> | ways.. >> >> | They had 3 children in Ireland >> | Helen abt 1821 >> | William abt 1823 >> | James abt 1825 >> >> | Then he is next found living in Portpatrick Scotland area having 5 more >> | kids! >> >> | This info taken from Urquart census records. >> >> | On all of his children records Benjamin is listed as an Army Pentioner >> or >> | Soldier of Royal West India Rangers! His wife's death certificate lists >> | her as receiving an annuity! >> >> | This is where I am stuck. I hired a professional genealogist in UK to >> find >> | his Military records as I could find none.. She sent me a list of all >> the >> | records she searched and finds no Benjamin Beatty in those records. The >> | time frame checked was mid 1790's to 1820! >> >> | Any Ideas I am stuck??? >> >> | Mardi >> >> --- >> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >> https://www.avast.com/antivirus >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref >> >> Unsubscribe >> https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/postorius/lists/fermanagh-gold@rootsweb.com/ >> >> Archives: >> https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/hyperkitty/list/fermanagh-gold@rootsweb.com/ >> >> Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: >> https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 >> >> RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb >> community >> > >

Hello David, Following this interesting thread - and my lack of knowledge is showing :-) Do you refer to the West Indies, and could you kindly explain what or whom is TNA? Thanks so much, Dee -----Original Message----- From: DSA2003 [mailto:dsa2003@iinet.net.au] Sent: Thursday, 17 May 2018 10:16 AM To: This list is for those researching their ancestors in Fermanagh and surrounding counties in Ireland Subject: FERMANAGH-GOLD -Re: Dead end? Need Ideas! G’day Mardi The Royal West India Rangers has nothing to do with India. There are records of the Regiment in TNA. The Regiment was disbanded in New Brunswick in 1819. Does the provincial archives in St John have a records for the Regiment such as discharge papers or land grants? I would assume that after being disbanded, its members continued to have military obligations as Fencibles? <snip> --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus

G’day Dee In the 19th century, (and earlier), you had the “West Indies” e.g. Jamaica, Barbados etc., and the “East Indies” which included India and other places around the Indian Ocean, such as Penang and Bencoolen etc (in modern day Indonesia). This usage of the names was not confined to the English as it was the Dutch West India who founded New Amsterdam (now New York) and other Dutch colonies in the western hemisphere, and there was also a Dutch East India Company. TNA is the The National archives at Kew formerly known as the PRO. Regards David From: Dee Byster-Graham Sent: Friday, May 18, 2018 6:40 PM To: 'This list is for those researching their ancestors in Fermanagh and surrounding counties in Ireland' Subject: FERMANAGH-GOLD -Re: Dead end? Need Ideas! Hello David, Following this interesting thread - and my lack of knowledge is showing :-) Do you refer to the West Indies, and could you kindly explain what or whom is TNA? Thanks so much, Dee -----Original Message----- From: DSA2003 [mailto:dsa2003@iinet.net.au] Sent: Thursday, 17 May 2018 10:16 AM To: This list is for those researching their ancestors in Fermanagh and surrounding counties in Ireland Subject: FERMANAGH-GOLD -Re: Dead end? Need Ideas! G’day Mardi The Royal West India Rangers has nothing to do with India. There are records of the Regiment in TNA. The Regiment was disbanded in New Brunswick in 1819. Does the provincial archives in St John have a records for the Regiment such as discharge papers or land grants? I would assume that after being disbanded, its members continued to have military obligations as Fencibles? <snip> --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/postorius/lists/fermanagh-gold@rootsweb.com/ Archives: https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/hyperkitty/list/fermanagh-gold@rootsweb.com/ Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

Thank you for the initials explanation, David, much appreciated. Did you ever see that wonderful TV series many years ago 'The Flying Dutchman'? Cleaning out all my ancient video tapes a couple of days ago and came across the tapes of the series we made from the show. From memory, it was over 10 or so episodes, and told the story of Dutch exploration and settlement from the 14th century. My husband was Dutch, born in Haarlem; and we both found it fascinating. Sadly found the old tapes too deteriorated to be converted. Kindly, Dee. -----Original Message----- From: DSA2003 [mailto:dsa2003@iinet.net.au] Sent: Friday, 18 May 2018 9:09 PM To: Fermanagh Gold Subject: FERMANAGH-GOLD -Re: Dead end? Need Ideas! G’day Dee In the 19th century, (and earlier), you had the “West Indies” e.g. Jamaica, Barbados etc., and the “East Indies” which included India and other places around the Indian Ocean, such as Penang and Bencoolen etc (in modern day Indonesia). This usage of the names was not confined to the English as it was the Dutch West India who founded New Amsterdam (now New York) and other Dutch colonies in the western hemisphere, and there was also a Dutch East India Company. TNA is the The National archives at Kew formerly known as the PRO. Regards David --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus