http://www.logainm.ie/en/s?txt=in%3a100004&cat=BF&ord=ga gets you all the townlands in Carlow... you'd need to scroll through them to see if any makes sense DH On 13/05/2015 22:22, Dave H wrote: > Anything is possible and certainly key staff often lived in the big > houses while the owners were abroad etc under the eye of the farm > manager and you also have to consider that Maria might not have been a > local girl to start with. > > The house would need to be kept aired, fires lit etc. > > In some cases kids were left behind if parents went touring Europe etc > so a Governess was employed. > > Fr Jim, as you can imagine, would have had access to many records that > the public might not get access to, so if he couldn't find them then > where else is there to look? > > Plus... if you consider it was famine times you'll find many had to > live at the houses purely to avoid cholera typhoid contamination so > weren't allowed mix with people. Many estates were "self contained" > during epidemics. > > They rented, then leased out but most probably had bailiffs employed > if tenants were evicted. > > DH > > On 13/05/2015 21:02, Linda Ford via wrote: >> In the case of Maria Doyle, however, if she were born at Brandondale, >> it would have to be to one of the hired help. Would workers actually >> have lived on the property in the mid-1800s? Wouldn't they rather >> have lived in Graigue-na-managh? >> >> About the Griffiths citations, as I understand the role of the >> Burtchaells (as originally told to me by family researcher Fr Jim >> Burtchaell), they were essentially land agents for Viscount Clifden. >> The Griffiths listings seem to indicate that they rented from Clifden >> and then sublet to tenants. (I remember asking Fr Jim if they were >> responsible for burning people out of their cottages, etc., during >> the famine.) >> Linda Ford > --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com