I Know, Dee but there are certain known bodies being tested plus some of the 6th century Spaniards from the Antrim settlement when population of ireland was about 20,000. There were no Irish when it was covered in ice anyway so they had to have come from somewhere.... It is known that over the centuries people from Spain, Morocco etc settled in Ireland plus the Norse, Vikings, Danes.. So who was the first discoverer of Ireland...? probably some Maguire too!!! grrrrrr.... There was the free test offered to anyone worldwide but don't know how many took up the offer.. People get DNA done which shows Viking or Dane or whatever but at least 99% or more are going to get that simply because all the people moved north as ice melted so even in the year 1000 there were many 'nationalities' living, intermarrying or whatever in Ireland.... there were no Irish until people moved into Ireland from wherever. Dave. On 25/03/2015 22:51, Dee Byster-Graham wrote: > Hi Jack and Dave, > > I am surely no expert on dna matters, but am wondering how Norman genes > could be clearly differentiated from Viking. We know that Vikings settled > all along that part of the coast of Europe, and William of Normandy's family > were fourth generation Viking; simply because they spoke French when they > conquered England does not change their dna makeup, although intermarriage > with the local population would change the equation. Much of their 'French' > overlay was a cultural occurrence rather than genetic. > > Very rarely does one hear praise for the wonderful Neolithic peoples who > settled Britain so long ago, who flourished and built a diverse, interesting > civilisation with ingenuity and vigour. > > The fact is, every dna study will give only basic results unless a very > large proportion of the population is tested- and without that extensive > testing purely cultural issues need to be taken into consideration when we > casually examine any civilisation, ancient or modern. > Descending from Dolan and Magauran, two tribes of (hopefully) truly ancient > Ireland, it will be fascinating to study the results of the 'who were the > Irish' study Dave spoke of. > > Kindly, > Dee.

Dave, That is my point entirely - perhaps not stated as succinctly as your answer. Neolithic people did not much care where they came from - only that where they got to was user-friendly! And around 12,000bc when that Mag Garren/Mag Uire left his nice warm cave in Spain and looked over at a land bridge ............................................. Dee :) -----Original Message----- From: fermanagh-gold-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:fermanagh-gold-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Dave H via Sent: Thursday, 26 March 2015 9:58 AM To: fermanagh-gold@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: FERMANAGH-GOLD Digest, Vol 10, Issue 130; Latest DNA study for England Scotland. I Know, Dee but there are certain known bodies being tested plus some of the 6th century Spaniards from the Antrim settlement when population of ireland was about 20,000. There were no Irish when it was covered in ice anyway so they had to have come from somewhere.... It is known that over the centuries people from Spain, Morocco etc settled in Ireland plus the Norse, Vikings, Danes.. So who was the first discoverer of Ireland...? probably some Maguire too!!! grrrrrr.... There was the free test offered to anyone worldwide but don't know how many took up the offer.. People get DNA done which shows Viking or Dane or whatever but at least 99% or more are going to get that simply because all the people moved north as ice melted so even in the year 1000 there were many 'nationalities' living, intermarrying or whatever in Ireland.... there were no Irish until people moved into Ireland from wherever. Dave.