One doesn't need permission Sally to photograph memorials or write down what is on them provided the place is open to the public... one can not enter a Cemetery if it is locked.. this includes even a chain across the entrance BUT if there is a stile/set of steps on wall, not closed, even by a Public notice, one can enter as that access has not "been denied"... It is only out of respect that a gravestone would be removed from the likes of IGP... not obligation! IGP has a very high set of standards when it comes to photographing g/stones, which is why one often gets details hidden by a bunch of flowers... the flowers aren't even removed temporarily to facilitate photographing!! Often, when photographing g/stones, I come across those that have been "cleaned" by descendants doing their research and have insisted that any of these be marked "as found" by Christine or else not be put up on IGP... There are a few photos "of my lot" on IGP, not taken by me, I do not have the right to ask for their removal if I wanted, as I'm not a DIRECT descendant.. NOR do I have the right to remove a plant or bunch of flowers to photograph it better!! What is needed is for more people to HELP EACH OTHER where possible by taking some photos when visiting any g/yard, any religion, any county simply to reduce the vacuum!! On another county I've seen someone post and post and post and post looking for stuff.. then go to g/yard and take 3 or 4 photos of their lot, while those helping were crying out for photos at that Cemetery... NOW IF THAT IS NOT SELFISH I DON'T KNOW WHAT IS!!!!!!!!!! Fine by me but I know where those folk went and HELL WILL FREEZE OVER before I post a reply :-)) DH No need for everyone to post permission, as it is not needed!! On 21/06/2015 23:11, Sally Factor via wrote: > To all, I hereby give permission for the photographing of any of the grave > stones in the RC cemeteries which have the remains of Bannons or Muldoon's. > Walking is limited and any help for genealogical reasons is gratefully > accepted. > This may be the only way I can get church records. > Any scandals do not bother me as I have had many on this side of the pond. > Sally in CT > > -----Original Message----- > From:fermanagh-gold-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:fermanagh-gold-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of jim dawe via > Sent: Sunday, June 21, 2015 11:21 AM > To:fermanagh-gold@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: FERMANAGH-GOLD Digest, Vol 10, Issue 225 > > Dave, then there are those that travel all the way to Fermanagh from Canada, > go to Enniskillen genealogy office on the closed day, then go looking for > the family farm, cannot find it, try to find the ancient burial ground > cannot find it but do find the nicest people and drink in the beauty of the > place. I am speaking for myself and experience last fall. My family is > from south Kilkenny my wife's Stevensons from Fermanagh. I am wondering if > people "feel" as I do that they are invading the privacy of the families > other than their own when photographing headstones? > > Jim > >> >Am often amazed at the number of people seeking help, not just on FG but >> >other counties, then visit g/yards and take no photos that might help >> >someone else who may not be able to visit. >> > >> >Have seen others who post and post, get great help, then go to g/yards >> >and take 2 or 3 photos of their folk and post them. in full knowledge >> >that others need photos at that g/yard. >> > >> >Pity that Snow g/stone isn't legible enough.... Anyway you know there's >> >one there! >> > >> > >> >Dave --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus

Hi Dave and All, When transcribing, I do find it really frustrating to carefully take down the birth dates and place of residence of the deceased on a headstone only to find the death date is obscured by a bunch of plastic geraniums! If someone finds my McHughs and Corrigans, in the lower lough erne area, please move the %$#@ flowers, take the photo, and put them back. It's a shame to lose this vital information, which may well be the only source of info due to lack of records, just because of a flippin' hydrangea. To me, there is respect, then there is pragmatism. They don't have to be mutually exclusive. So, like Sally, I'm giving permission to "shift the flowers". Eilish On 22/06/2015 9:33 AM, Dave H via wrote: > One doesn't need permission Sally to photograph memorials or write down > what is on them provided the place is open to the public... one can not > enter a Cemetery if it is locked.. this includes even a chain across the > entrance BUT if there is a stile/set of steps on wall, not closed, even > by a Public notice, one can enter as that access has not "been denied"... > > It is only out of respect that a gravestone would be removed from the > likes of IGP... not obligation! > > IGP has a very high set of standards when it comes to photographing > g/stones, which is why one often gets details hidden by a bunch of > flowers... the flowers aren't even removed temporarily to facilitate > photographing!! > > Often, when photographing g/stones, I come across those that have been > "cleaned" by descendants doing their research and have insisted that any > of these be marked "as found" by Christine or else not be put up on IGP... > > There are a few photos "of my lot" on IGP, not taken by me, I do not > have the right to ask for their removal if I wanted, as I'm not a DIRECT > descendant.. NOR do I have the right to remove a plant or bunch of > flowers to photograph it better!! > > What is needed is for more people to HELP EACH OTHER where possible by > taking some photos when visiting any g/yard, any religion, any county > simply to reduce the vacuum!! > > On another county I've seen someone post and post and post and post > looking for stuff.. then go to g/yard and take 3 or 4 photos of their > lot, while those helping were crying out for photos at that Cemetery... > NOW IF THAT IS NOT SELFISH I DON'T KNOW WHAT IS!!!!!!!!!! > > Fine by me but I know where those folk went and HELL WILL FREEZE OVER > before I post a reply :-)) > > > DH > No need for everyone to post permission, as it is not needed!! > > > > > > > On 21/06/2015 23:11, Sally Factor via wrote: >> To all, I hereby give permission for the photographing of any of the grave >> stones in the RC cemeteries which have the remains of Bannons or Muldoon's. >> Walking is limited and any help for genealogical reasons is gratefully >> accepted. >> This may be the only way I can get church records. >> Any scandals do not bother me as I have had many on this side of the pond. >> Sally in CT >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From:fermanagh-gold-bounces@rootsweb.com >> [mailto:fermanagh-gold-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of jim dawe via >> Sent: Sunday, June 21, 2015 11:21 AM >> To:fermanagh-gold@rootsweb.com >> Subject: Re: FERMANAGH-GOLD Digest, Vol 10, Issue 225 >> >> Dave, then there are those that travel all the way to Fermanagh from Canada, >> go to Enniskillen genealogy office on the closed day, then go looking for >> the family farm, cannot find it, try to find the ancient burial ground >> cannot find it but do find the nicest people and drink in the beauty of the >> place. I am speaking for myself and experience last fall. My family is >> from south Kilkenny my wife's Stevensons from Fermanagh. I am wondering if >> people "feel" as I do that they are invading the privacy of the families >> other than their own when photographing headstones? >> >> Jim >> >>>> Am often amazed at the number of people seeking help, not just on FG but >>>> other counties, then visit g/yards and take no photos that might help >>>> someone else who may not be able to visit. >>>> >>>> Have seen others who post and post, get great help, then go to g/yards >>>> and take 2 or 3 photos of their folk and post them. in full knowledge >>>> that others need photos at that g/yard. >>>> >>>> Pity that Snow g/stone isn't legible enough.... Anyway you know there's >>>> one there! >>>> >>>> >>>> Dave > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > > ================================== > > https://www.google.ie/ > ================================== > http://www.irishtimes.com/ancestor/placenames/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FERMANAGH-GOLD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >