Hello Janet and Bruce, I, too, am delighted that the subject of the Pict enigma is not off topic :-) And thanks to all who have recently posted links to the latest data, many of we Golders are a mixture of these races with the delineation lines so blurred between them. Particularly when we know that one or more lines come down from the sea kingdom of Dalriada and the fact that Irish invaded Scotland in the distant past. Not just invasions, but the normal Irish Sea crossings of traders from all the tribes which made up the British isles. David, your Orkneyjar link is terrific, it helps to shed some light on the puzzle - and the Orkney dig site just gets more amazing each season. My half-brother recently had his dna results from Ancestry, no surprises except 12% Irish - I have long toyed with the notion that our Viking ancestor Fulkar who arrived in England about 800ad came across from Dublin and joined the Great Pagan Army rather than the continent, apparently many Vikings did so. My son David will be next to test, later I shall have my mitochondrial tested and that should give us further insight into the mixture we all carry. Loving the chase! :) Dee. -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of caiside via Sent: Saturday, 2 April 2016 11:08 PM To: Bruce Graham; [email protected] Subject: Re: FERMANAGH-GOLD Fwd: Origins of the Irish -- not Celtic? Dee, Glad no one is thinking this little side-trip into Pictland is off topic. :-) Here's what I just read on the orkneyjar link that David sent: " Theories abound, although these days it is generally accepted that the Picts were not, as was once believed, a new race, but were simply the descendents of the indigenous Iron Age people of northern Scotland." Also here http://www.ancient.eu/picts/ says "Although it was accepted history in the past to date the arrival of the Picts in Scotland to sometime shortly before their mention in Roman history, or to claim a "Pictish Invasion", modern scholarship offers a much earlier date with no full-scale invasion. According to the/Collins Encyclopedia of Scotland/, "the Picts did not 'arrive' - in a sense they had always been there, for they were the descendants of the first people to inhabit what eventually became Scotland" (775). Historian Stuart McHardy supports this claim,***writing <http://www.ancient.eu/writing/>**that "the Picts were in fact the indigenous population of this part of the world" by the time the Romans arrived in Britain (32). They originally came from**Scythia <http://www.ancient.eu/scythia/>***(Scandinavia), settled first in Orkney, and then migrated south." I bet Cunliffe's book _Britain Begins_ would shed light. Janet C On 4/1/16 5:06 PM, Bruce Graham wrote: > -----Original Message----- From: Dee Byster-Graham via > Sent: Friday, April 01, 2016 4:43 PM > To: 'DSA2003' ; [email protected] > Subject: Re: FERMANAGH-GOLD Fwd: Origins of the Irish -- not Celtic? > > Hi Folks, > > Thank you all so much for this discussion of the origin complexities > of Pictish, and all related to this area. > The whole subject has puzzled me for many years - language, physical > appearance, origins etc. > For what it is worth, I have always leaned towards the idea that > Pictish language was an ancient form of Q-Celtic mainly because of the > Ogham script. Is the former belief still in vogue that the Picts > invaded Britain at an indefinable time in pre-history? I have not read > much about their origins lately, but still puzzling over the real > difference in the physical characteristics of my Scottish Mitchells. > Despite being descended on the male side from the Norman invaders in > 1066 ( Vikings) the differences are huge - small all around 5- 5ft > 2ins in height, slight builds, almost black eyes and hair with very > fair skin, small feet and hands etc. So different in appearance from > the Orkney Viking SNOW family of Ireland and the original Irish of the > Dolan, Magauran clans. > > Also puzzle about the role the ancient Britons played, we must all > have that genetic in our makeups! > Were in fact the Picts ancient Britons in residence from pre-Neolithic > times??? > > Please keep the conversation going - it's absolutely fascinating! > > David, thank you also for the interesting links to the newly > discovered Viking sites in America - that may very well put a lot of > cats amongst the pigeons :) Kindly, Dee. ========================= https://www.facebook.com/groups/FermanaghGold/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message