Anne Sterling ...re ARD coming from France. I'd never heard that before. The HASSARD family is reported originally from the French Swiss border. Regards, Brenda Hassard Edmonds St. Thomas, Ontario > > > There could be something about the family lore. > A 2nd cousin of mine who had never met any of our family said the same as some of us. “ our Bustard family came from France.” Then, when I made a “cold call” to a Bustard in Virginia, he mentioned out of the blue and with no prompting that the Bustards came from France. The 2nd cousin pointed out that the” ard” ending on the name pointed to it being French. Well... maybe, but it is the name of a large bird. > Love your story about the boat ending up in Galway. > > Anne, here in rainy Ottawa Canada. > *************************

The Galway story from my Grandfather, was that Three Crozier Brothers fleeing from Louis XIV of France, (1643 - 1715), joined a Ship bound for England. On that ship were a couple of Arabian Stallions gifted from the King of Arabia to the King of England. During a storm the ship was blown off course and was Shipwrecked just off the coast of Galway. The Stallions swam ashore and went wild in the Conemara area. They interbred with the Welsh Ponies, introduced by St Patrick, (AD387 - 493) who was captured from England, aged 16, and enslaved in Ireland by his Irish captors "looking after animals". He is credited with escaping and becoming a Christian but returned a few years later as an Evangalist to introduce Christianity to the Irish. That interbreeding produced the famous Conemara Ponies, with their slender Legs, Dappled Quarters and Arab head, deportment and Gait. There must be a written record of that story somewhere. Sent from my iPad

Viola, There could be something about the family lore. A 2nd cousin of mine who had never met any of our family said the same as some of us. “ our Bustard family came from France.” Then, when I made a “cold call” to a Bustard in Virginia, he mentioned out of the blue and with no prompting that the Bustards came from France. The 2nd cousin pointed out that the” ard” ending on the name pointed to it being French. Well... maybe, but it is the name of a large bird. Love your story about the boat ending up in Galway. Anne, here in rainy Ottawa Canada. From: Viola Wiggins Sent: June 3, 2018 7:54 AM To: This list is for those researching their ancestors in Fermanagh and surrounding counties in Ireland Subject: FERMANAGH-GOLD -Re: FERMANAGH-GOLD Lurker, CROZIER, JOHNSTON. Welcome to our Golden circle. I was born a Crozier. During my researching on the origins of the Crozier families in Ireland I read on line about ten years ago that they descend from a John Crozier and his two sons who arrived in Co Antrim. One son went to Co Down and the other came to the Tyrone Fermanagh areas. That family started out in Yorkshire England. My Family lore handed down from my Grandfather through my Father tells a similar story of three CROSIERS fleeing from France during Louis XIV's Persecutions boarded a ship bound for England being shipwrecked off the coast of Galway. Spoken lore against documented lore? You choose. I go for documented lore. Viola Sent from my iPad > On 3 Jun 2018, at 02:11, jecrozier@shaw.ca wrote: > > Viola, I am new to this list and will post my research information shortly, but I am wondering why you believe that all the Croziers descended from John Crozier of Co. Antrim? _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/postorius/lists/fermanagh-gold@rootsweb.com/ Archives: https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/hyperkitty/list/fermanagh-gold@rootsweb.com/ Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

Hi Sean and Gold friends, I am researching Murphy and McAloon (RC) from Corragunt, Rosslea. Sean - are they likely to be linked to your Murphys? I have a tree on Ancestry and a family history documented back to Griffith valuation. I am happy to share my research so far, if it is of interest to anyone. Joan -----Original Message----- From: Sean Corr via FERMANAGH-GOLD <fermanagh-gold@rootsweb.com> Sent: 16 April 2018 11:15 To: fermanagh-gold@rootsweb.com Cc: Sean Corr <s_corr@yahoo.com> Subject: FERMANAGH-GOLDRoll Call FERMANAGH-GOLD@rootsweb.com Hi all, I'm a bit late on the roll call, but here goes: CORR, MCCUSKER, MURRAY, MCDONALD, WYNNE/WINN/GEEHAN, LYNCH, CASSIDY, O'ROURKE, MURPHY all from the Roslea/Clones area and all Catholic as far as I know. I've pretty much exhausted the paper trail at this stage - hoping that DNA might provide some new leads, particularly to those who emigrated. My GEDmatch number is T138320 Seán Corr _______________________________________________ To post a message to the Fermanagh-Gold mailing list, send an email to Fermanagh-Gold@rootsweb.com. ________________________________________ To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Fermanagh-Gold-request@rootsweb.com with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and in the body of the email with no additional text. To contact the Fermanagh-Gold list administrator, send an email to Fermanagh-Gold-admin@rootsweb.com. ------------------------------------- facebook.com/groups/FermanaghGold/ _______________________________________________ You are receiving this email because you have registered with RootsWeb Mailing Lists. Manage your email preferences at: https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/postorius/accounts/subscriptions/ To unsubscribe send an email to mailto:fermanagh-gold-leave@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe&body=unsubscribe View the archives for this list at: https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/hyperkitty/list/fermanagh-gold@rootsweb.com/ Your privacy is important to us. View our Privacy Statement at https://www.ancestry.com/cs/legal/privacystatement for more information. Use of RootsWeb is subject to our Terms and Conditions https://www.ancestry.com/cs/legal/termsandconditions RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

Sheila, did your Crozier family have an Elliott connection? A record held by the Latter Day Saints. James Elliott lived in Drumduff, prior to his marriage to Catherine Crozier in 1755. Her marriage dowry was 10 cows in calf, a mare and foal. Were James and Catherine Elliott married 1755, the parents of James Elliott age 64 yrs, living on 7 acres, in the 1821 census of Drumduff? Members of the Fermanagh Drumduff Elliott family, immigrated to the Kiama area of NSW. Carole Elliott, searching for my Elliott, Wilson, Moffit, Armstrong, Irvine, Hunter and Meldrum families, who lived in the areas surrounding Irvinestown in the 18th & 19th centuries.

Hi Viola I've visited the Rock a few times and had some great laughs with the apes . First time we experienced them we could not believe their antics. I've been told that things are changed now and you are not allowed to feed them or anything. It ended up they would not eat their food {fruit and veg} They only wanted sweets and biscuits} The crazy names of the places as well. "Nelson's Ash Bucket" etc. I might have made that one up, but again maybe not! My father told me that during war 2, when they were evacuated ,they were put in a camp outside Londonderry. The locals refered to them as "The Gibs" best wishes Robert Sent from Outlook<http://aka.ms/weboutlook> ________________________________ From: Viola Wiggins <vmaw3434@gmail.com> Sent: 01 June 2018 17:04 To: This list is for those researching their ancestors in Fermanagh and surrounding counties in Ireland Subject: FERMANAGH-GOLD -Re: Gibraltar Sheila, Beginning to think that your ancestors and I have trod the same paths. Gibraltar is a beautiful place. Was there in 1976 and had to smile when the only Grass to be seen was at the Govenor's Palace, and that was plastic. My late Daughter, who was in the RAF and stationed there had her 21st Birthday Doo on The Rock. BTW Most of the SNOW ( Tully, Cornahiltha etc) BMDs I've found recorded in Ballyshannon (Donegal). DUFFY and DOLAN as well which I've sent them to Dee. So search Ballyshannon and Fermanagh for your's. Viola Sent from my iPad > On 1 Jun 2018, at 17:01, <smwoods@mymts.net> <smwoods@mymts.net> wrote: > > Thanks, Viola. Unfortunately Catherine was too old for Civil Registration. She was born Maguire about 1831 and married Thomas McQuaid on November 15, 1851 in the parish of Enniskillen. She was my link to Fermanagh in the first place about 10 years ago. Thomas was in the army, their first child was born in Gibraltar and their second child (who died in infancy) was born on the boat to England. The other 2 daughters were born in Middlesbrough. > Catherine's sister Bridget "McQuire" married Owen McManus in 1853 in Middlesbrough or Stockton (registration district for Middlesbrough) and listed her father as Thomas, a labourer. > My Snows had a number of cousins named "McGuire" (English spelling) and I suspect that my ggg-grandmother Alice (born in the 1790's) was a Maguire. _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/postorius/lists/fermanagh-gold@rootsweb.com/ Archives: https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/hyperkitty/list/fermanagh-gold@rootsweb.com/ Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

Welcome to our Golden circle. I was born a Crozier. During my researching on the origins of the Crozier families in Ireland I read on line about ten years ago that they descend from a John Crozier and his two sons who arrived in Co Antrim. One son went to Co Down and the other came to the Tyrone Fermanagh areas. That family started out in Yorkshire England. My Family lore handed down from my Grandfather through my Father tells a similar story of three CROSIERS fleeing from France during Louis XIV's Persecutions boarded a ship bound for England being shipwrecked off the coast of Galway. Spoken lore against documented lore? You choose. I go for documented lore. Viola Sent from my iPad > On 3 Jun 2018, at 02:11, jecrozier@shaw.ca wrote: > > Viola, I am new to this list and will post my research information shortly, but I am wondering why you believe that all the Croziers descended from John Crozier of Co. Antrim?

Viola, I am new to this list and will post my research information shortly, but I am wondering why you believe that all the Croziers descended from John Crozier of Co. Antrim? Is there a descendant tree out there somewhere? I SO want to find my Crozier family!

AWWWWW Bruce. I'm sorry I let yer cat outa th bag. But I was sooked in 'Til Addy said "Mum it's not Grass! It's Plastic!" The other place I got caught was when we were watching the Rock Apes, nae the Regt. The real ones up the trees. She handed me a wee paper bag. Quick as lightening, just as I was looking in see what the bag contained, there was a bounce on my shoulder and the bag was whipped out of me hand and I had to tighten my muscles. I really did enjoy what was to be our last couple of weeks together, apart from the time she pushed me into 'The Monty" forgetting I could not swim. As I came up for the second time, spluttering, someone grabbed my hair and held me above the water long enough for Sam and Ken to haul me out. The thing is I'd just had my hair done ready for her party! By then it hung in strings so I threatened to go as was. She soon found a mate handy with curling tongs. Christine saved the day. Heck just realised the whole Golden family is getting this. Oh well, I can laugh about it now, but not at that time, so folks it's another Viola story. Hugs Vi Sent from my iPad > On 2 Jun 2018, at 09:56, Bruce <bruros@xtra.co.nz> wrote: > > Och Viola...trust Yis , ma Pal , tae drop the Guv in deep sh... fer his Plastic Grass=-O.did the maun nae tell yis, tha' it wis a Graham wha' sellt it tae him ? :-DThere's money yet tae be made in a wee bittie Reivin' an the side !...adios the 'noo n'all, Brus !:-D;-) > > >> On 2/06/2018 8:04 PM, fermanagh-gold-request@rootsweb.com wrote: >> Send FERMANAGH-GOLD mailing list submissions to >> fermanagh-gold@rootsweb.com >> >> To subscribe or unsubscribe via email, send a message with subject or >> body 'help' to >> fermanagh-gold-request@rootsweb.com >> >> You can reach the person managing the list at >> fermanagh-gold-owner@rootsweb.com >> >> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >> than "Re: Contents of FERMANAGH-GOLD digest..." >> >> Today's Topics: >> >> 1. Re: FERMANAGH-GOLD Digest, Vol 14, Issue 159 (smwoods@mymts.net) >> 2. Re: Gibraltar (Viola Wiggins) >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2018 11:01:39 -0500 >> From: <smwoods@mymts.net> >> Subject: FERMANAGH-GOLD -Re: FERMANAGH-GOLD Digest, Vol 14, Issue 159 >> To: <fermanagh-gold@rootsweb.com> >> Message-ID: <000401d3f9c1$d5b13080$81139180$@mymts.net> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" >> >> Thanks, Viola. Unfortunately Catherine was too old for Civil Registration. She was born Maguire about 1831 and married Thomas McQuaid on November 15, 1851 in the parish of Enniskillen. She was my link to Fermanagh in the first place about 10 years ago. Thomas was in the army, their first child was born in Gibraltar and their second child (who died in infancy) was born on the boat to England. The other 2 daughters were born in Middlesbrough. >> Catherine's sister Bridget "McQuire" married Owen McManus in 1853 in Middlesbrough or Stockton (registration district for Middlesbrough) and listed her father as Thomas, a labourer. >> My Snows had a number of cousins named "McGuire" (English spelling) and I suspect that my ggg-grandmother Alice (born in the 1790's) was a Maguire. >> Sheila >> >> -----Original Message----- >> >> Date: Thu, 31 May 2018 22:34:51 +0100 >> From: Viola Wiggins <vmaw3434@gmail.com> >> Subject: FERMANAGH-GOLD -Re: DNA links Middlesbrough Snows to >> Fermanagh >> To: This list is for those researching their ancestors in Fermanagh >> and surrounding counties in Ireland <fermanagh-gold@rootsweb.com> >> Message-ID: <1D4B8967-1615-431A-945B-87772CCF5EC0@gmail.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >> >> In the 1881 census what age was the McQuade born Enniskillen? >> Search irishgenealogy.ie for her birth which should give (a) the address where she was born. (b) her mother's former name. Searching for the Surname only can sometimes uncover other information or siblings. >> Only snag may be that RC Civil Registration did not start until c1864. You just might be lucky and find her and siblings. >> Good hunting. >> That Enniskillen could mean the Union of Enniskillen, formed c1840 and which took in c360 square miles and a number of. Parishes. >> Viola >> >> >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2018 18:04:25 +0100 >> From: Viola Wiggins <vmaw3434@gmail.com> >> Subject: FERMANAGH-GOLD -Re: Gibraltar >> To: This list is for those researching their ancestors in Fermanagh >> and surrounding counties in Ireland <fermanagh-gold@rootsweb.com> >> Message-ID: <1B656790-4FC4-4AF9-A025-02AD6E754999@gmail.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >> >> Sheila, >> Beginning to think that your ancestors and I have trod the same paths. >> Gibraltar is a beautiful place. Was there in 1976 and had to smile when the only Grass to be seen was at the Govenor's Palace, and that was plastic. >> My late Daughter, who was in the RAF and stationed there had her 21st Birthday Doo on The Rock. >> BTW >> Most of the SNOW ( Tully, Cornahiltha etc) BMDs I've found recorded in Ballyshannon (Donegal). DUFFY and DOLAN as well which I've sent them to Dee. >> So search Ballyshannon and Fermanagh for your's. >> Viola >> >> >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >>> On 1 Jun 2018, at 17:01, <smwoods@mymts.net> <smwoods@mymts.net> wrote: >>> >>> Thanks, Viola. Unfortunately Catherine was too old for Civil Registration. She was born Maguire about 1831 and married Thomas McQuaid on November 15, 1851 in the parish of Enniskillen. She was my link to Fermanagh in the first place about 10 years ago. Thomas was in the army, their first child was born in Gibraltar and their second child (who died in infancy) was born on the boat to England. The other 2 daughters were born in Middlesbrough. >>> Catherine's sister Bridget "McQuire" married Owen McManus in 1853 in Middlesbrough or Stockton (registration district for Middlesbrough) and listed her father as Thomas, a labourer. >>> My Snows had a number of cousins named "McGuire" (English spelling) and I suspect that my ggg-grandmother Alice (born in the 1790's) was a Maguire. >> End of FERMANAGH-GOLD Digest, Vol 14, Issue 160 >> *********************************************** > > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/postorius/lists/fermanagh-gold@rootsweb.com/ > > Archives: https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/hyperkitty/list/fermanagh-gold@rootsweb.com/ > > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

Och Viola...trust Yis , ma Pal , tae drop the  Guv in deep  sh... fer his Plastic Grass=-O.did the maun nae tell yis, tha' it wis a Graham wha' sellt it tae him ? :-DThere's money yet tae be made in a wee bittie Reivin' an the side !...adios the 'noo n'all, Brus !:-D;-) On 2/06/2018 8:04 PM, fermanagh-gold-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > Send FERMANAGH-GOLD mailing list submissions to > fermanagh-gold@rootsweb.com > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via email, send a message with subject or > body 'help' to > fermanagh-gold-request@rootsweb.com > > You can reach the person managing the list at > fermanagh-gold-owner@rootsweb.com > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of FERMANAGH-GOLD digest..." > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: FERMANAGH-GOLD Digest, Vol 14, Issue 159 (smwoods@mymts.net) > 2. Re: Gibraltar (Viola Wiggins) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2018 11:01:39 -0500 > From: <smwoods@mymts.net> > Subject: FERMANAGH-GOLD -Re: FERMANAGH-GOLD Digest, Vol 14, Issue 159 > To: <fermanagh-gold@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <000401d3f9c1$d5b13080$81139180$@mymts.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Thanks, Viola. Unfortunately Catherine was too old for Civil Registration. She was born Maguire about 1831 and married Thomas McQuaid on November 15, 1851 in the parish of Enniskillen. She was my link to Fermanagh in the first place about 10 years ago. Thomas was in the army, their first child was born in Gibraltar and their second child (who died in infancy) was born on the boat to England. The other 2 daughters were born in Middlesbrough. > Catherine's sister Bridget "McQuire" married Owen McManus in 1853 in Middlesbrough or Stockton (registration district for Middlesbrough) and listed her father as Thomas, a labourer. > My Snows had a number of cousins named "McGuire" (English spelling) and I suspect that my ggg-grandmother Alice (born in the 1790's) was a Maguire. > Sheila > > -----Original Message----- > > Date: Thu, 31 May 2018 22:34:51 +0100 > From: Viola Wiggins <vmaw3434@gmail.com> > Subject: FERMANAGH-GOLD -Re: DNA links Middlesbrough Snows to > Fermanagh > To: This list is for those researching their ancestors in Fermanagh > and surrounding counties in Ireland <fermanagh-gold@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <1D4B8967-1615-431A-945B-87772CCF5EC0@gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > In the 1881 census what age was the McQuade born Enniskillen? > Search irishgenealogy.ie for her birth which should give (a) the address where she was born. (b) her mother's former name. Searching for the Surname only can sometimes uncover other information or siblings. > Only snag may be that RC Civil Registration did not start until c1864. You just might be lucky and find her and siblings. > Good hunting. > That Enniskillen could mean the Union of Enniskillen, formed c1840 and which took in c360 square miles and a number of. Parishes. > Viola > > > > Sent from my iPad > > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2018 18:04:25 +0100 > From: Viola Wiggins <vmaw3434@gmail.com> > Subject: FERMANAGH-GOLD -Re: Gibraltar > To: This list is for those researching their ancestors in Fermanagh > and surrounding counties in Ireland <fermanagh-gold@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <1B656790-4FC4-4AF9-A025-02AD6E754999@gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Sheila, > Beginning to think that your ancestors and I have trod the same paths. > Gibraltar is a beautiful place. Was there in 1976 and had to smile when the only Grass to be seen was at the Govenor's Palace, and that was plastic. > My late Daughter, who was in the RAF and stationed there had her 21st Birthday Doo on The Rock. > BTW > Most of the SNOW ( Tully, Cornahiltha etc) BMDs I've found recorded in Ballyshannon (Donegal). DUFFY and DOLAN as well which I've sent them to Dee. > So search Ballyshannon and Fermanagh for your's. > Viola > > > > Sent from my iPad > >> On 1 Jun 2018, at 17:01, <smwoods@mymts.net> <smwoods@mymts.net> wrote: >> >> Thanks, Viola. Unfortunately Catherine was too old for Civil Registration. She was born Maguire about 1831 and married Thomas McQuaid on November 15, 1851 in the parish of Enniskillen. She was my link to Fermanagh in the first place about 10 years ago. Thomas was in the army, their first child was born in Gibraltar and their second child (who died in infancy) was born on the boat to England. The other 2 daughters were born in Middlesbrough. >> Catherine's sister Bridget "McQuire" married Owen McManus in 1853 in Middlesbrough or Stockton (registration district for Middlesbrough) and listed her father as Thomas, a labourer. >> My Snows had a number of cousins named "McGuire" (English spelling) and I suspect that my ggg-grandmother Alice (born in the 1790's) was a Maguire. > End of FERMANAGH-GOLD Digest, Vol 14, Issue 160 > *********************************************** > --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus

Sheila, Beginning to think that your ancestors and I have trod the same paths. Gibraltar is a beautiful place. Was there in 1976 and had to smile when the only Grass to be seen was at the Govenor's Palace, and that was plastic. My late Daughter, who was in the RAF and stationed there had her 21st Birthday Doo on The Rock. BTW Most of the SNOW ( Tully, Cornahiltha etc) BMDs I've found recorded in Ballyshannon (Donegal). DUFFY and DOLAN as well which I've sent them to Dee. So search Ballyshannon and Fermanagh for your's. Viola Sent from my iPad > On 1 Jun 2018, at 17:01, <smwoods@mymts.net> <smwoods@mymts.net> wrote: > > Thanks, Viola. Unfortunately Catherine was too old for Civil Registration. She was born Maguire about 1831 and married Thomas McQuaid on November 15, 1851 in the parish of Enniskillen. She was my link to Fermanagh in the first place about 10 years ago. Thomas was in the army, their first child was born in Gibraltar and their second child (who died in infancy) was born on the boat to England. The other 2 daughters were born in Middlesbrough. > Catherine's sister Bridget "McQuire" married Owen McManus in 1853 in Middlesbrough or Stockton (registration district for Middlesbrough) and listed her father as Thomas, a labourer. > My Snows had a number of cousins named "McGuire" (English spelling) and I suspect that my ggg-grandmother Alice (born in the 1790's) was a Maguire.

Thanks, Viola. Unfortunately Catherine was too old for Civil Registration. She was born Maguire about 1831 and married Thomas McQuaid on November 15, 1851 in the parish of Enniskillen. She was my link to Fermanagh in the first place about 10 years ago. Thomas was in the army, their first child was born in Gibraltar and their second child (who died in infancy) was born on the boat to England. The other 2 daughters were born in Middlesbrough. Catherine's sister Bridget "McQuire" married Owen McManus in 1853 in Middlesbrough or Stockton (registration district for Middlesbrough) and listed her father as Thomas, a labourer. My Snows had a number of cousins named "McGuire" (English spelling) and I suspect that my ggg-grandmother Alice (born in the 1790's) was a Maguire. Sheila -----Original Message----- Date: Thu, 31 May 2018 22:34:51 +0100 From: Viola Wiggins <vmaw3434@gmail.com> Subject: FERMANAGH-GOLD -Re: DNA links Middlesbrough Snows to Fermanagh To: This list is for those researching their ancestors in Fermanagh and surrounding counties in Ireland <fermanagh-gold@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <1D4B8967-1615-431A-945B-87772CCF5EC0@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" In the 1881 census what age was the McQuade born Enniskillen? Search irishgenealogy.ie for her birth which should give (a) the address where she was born. (b) her mother's former name. Searching for the Surname only can sometimes uncover other information or siblings. Only snag may be that RC Civil Registration did not start until c1864. You just might be lucky and find her and siblings. Good hunting. That Enniskillen could mean the Union of Enniskillen, formed c1840 and which took in c360 square miles and a number of. Parishes. Viola Sent from my iPad

In the 1881 census what age was the McQuade born Enniskillen? Search irishgenealogy.ie for her birth which should give (a) the address where she was born. (b) her mother's former name. Searching for the Surname only can sometimes uncover other information or siblings. Only snag may be that RC Civil Registration did not start until c1864. You just might be lucky and find her and siblings. Good hunting. That Enniskillen could mean the Union of Enniskillen, formed c1840 and which took in c360 square miles and a number of. Parishes. Viola Sent from my iPad

Thank you to all who wrote. Anne, it's annoying that the birthplace is often just "Ireland" but sometimes you get lucky. In the 1881 census in Middlesbrough my gg-grandfather's cousin Catherine Mc Quade's birthplace was "Enniskillen, Ireland" and in Liverpool James and Ellen Snow's birthplace was " Farmagh, Ireland". At least some of the Ellis Island immigration records to New York give the county. FamilySearch lets you search their whole collection by name and birthplace. Dee, we'll keep comparing notes on our Snow relatives. I look forward to seeing whether you and Ellish show up on my list of DNA matches. Good luck with your recovery. Viola, I'm a great fan of FreeBMD. Even though I currently subscribe to Ancestry and FindMyPast, I still check FreeBMD first. I like the search engine and if I find something I especially want it's easy to follow the links and order the certificate. Regards to all, Sheila -----Original Message----- Date: Wed, 30 May 2018 07:51:50 -0400 From: Anne Sterling <m.anne.sterling@gmail.com> Subject: FERMANAGH-GOLD -Re: DNA links Middlesbrough Snows to Fermanagh To: This list is for those researching their ancestors in Fermanagh andsurrounding counties in Ireland <fermanagh-gold@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <5b0e9057.1c69fb81.1047d.2b1b@mx.google.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Sheila, You are doing good detective work! I know it is frustrating. I wish these people had not just said in: parish book, census records and tombstones that they were from “Ireland.” In one cemetery, near Ottawa, I found an Adam Geddes, wife Mary Ann Nixon, who was from Fermanagh, (tombstone) so I thought it likely that others in the cemetery were from Fermanagh. Putting this evidence together with other clues, including dna evidence, helps to build a case. Anne in Ottawa, Ontario ------------------------------ From: Dee Byster-Graham Sent: May 30, 2018 2:26 AM To: 'This list is for those researching their ancestors in Fermanagh and surrounding counties in Ireland' Subject: FERMANAGH-GOLD -Re: DNA links Middlesbrough Snows to Fermanagh Sheila, Re DNA: My daughter, Joanne, purchased Ancestry DNA kits for herself and me as my Mother's Day present earlier this year. Jo's came back, and exactly what we expected. From memory, 2 SNOW matches. Due to my undergoing recent radiation treatment, I kept my kit for 4 months and then sent it for analysis. Unfortunately, yesterday Ancestry notified me that they could not obtain a result form my DNA, and have re-issues another kit so I shall try again. When it arrives I shall again wait for a few months for the dead cells to disappear before sending it back. We will finally be able to compare. Eilish, on this list, is also related to Matthew and Rose, she will also have the test. Kindly, Dee. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 May 2018 00:34:40 +0100 From: Viola Wiggins <vmaw3434@gmail.com> Subject: FERMANAGH-GOLD -Re: DNA links Middlesbrough Snows to Fermanagh To: This list is for those researching their ancestors in Fermanagh and surrounding counties in Ireland <fermanagh-gold@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <B4E8B13B-4AE8-4F6A-A289-BCB6A75B9DEA@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sheila Have you looked at the FreeCen And FreeBmd websites for your family in Middlesborough, North Riding Yorkshire. Those BMDs are Transcribed records and Free to Search. Dates are shown by quarters of the year If you find a Marriage click on the Page Number will give you a selection of the 2nd party. There are a lot of BMD records for SNOW in Middlesborough. A good few DUFFY and DOLAN as well. None there in 1821 and I've not looked at the other census dates available. It might be worth checking Telephone Directories for a living descendant still in the area. Yorkshire folk. Tend to stick close to home. I lived in Yorkshire for over 35 years. Good hunting. Regards Viola Sent from my iPad

Sheila Have you looked at the FreeCen And FreeBmd websites for your family in Middlesborough, North Riding Yorkshire. Those BMDs are Transcribed records and Free to Search. Dates are shown by quarters of the year If you find a Marriage click on the Page Number will give you a selection of the 2nd party. There are a lot of BMD records for SNOW in Middlesborough. A good few DUFFY and DOLAN as well. None there in 1821 and I've not looked at the other census dates available. It might be worth checking Telephone Directories for a living descendant still in the area. Yorkshire folk. Tend to stick close to home. I lived in Yorkshire for over 35 years. Good hunting. Regards Viola Sent from my iPad > On 30 May 2018, at 01:52, <smwoods@mymts.net> <smwoods@mymts.net> wrote: > > My Snows left Ireland between 1845 and 1850 and settled in Middlesbrough. I > have long believed that they came from Fermanagh, but the only links I could > find to Snows in Fermanagh were their religion (Roman Catholic), a cousin > born in Enniskillen, and the names Joseph, James, John, Patrick, Matthew, > Thomas and Francis occurring in both places. The two Middlesbrough Snow > families were headed by Alice widow of John (farmer) and Mary widow of > Patrick (farmer), both born in the 1790's. My ggg-grandparents were John and > Alice. I don't know how John and Patrick are related, but the Tithe > Applotment Books list a Pat Snow and a widow John Snow in Tully as well as a > John Snow in St. Catherines. > > Now I have an Ancestry DNA match to a mother and daughter, descendants of > Matthew Snow and Rose McHugh who had two children baptised in Devenish in > 1853 and 1857. I'm an estimated 4th cousin match to the mother and a 5th > cousin match to the daughter. My sister doesn't match either of them, but > another Middlesbrough Snow, my double 4th cousin, is a 4th cousin or closer > match to the mother. > > Sheila Woods in Canada > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/postorius/lists/fermanagh-gold@rootsweb.com/ > > Archives: https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/hyperkitty/list/fermanagh-gold@rootsweb.com/ > > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

Thanks, Jim. I have ordered the book. Anne in Ottawa Canada From: jdix@charter.net Sent: May 30, 2018 3:10 PM To: fermanagh-gold@rootsweb.com Subject: FERMANAGH-GOLD -Plantation of Ulster 1600- 1661 R.J. Hunter- NewSpecial Release Today, I received a notice from the Ulster Historical Foundation that a new and updated version of the book "Plantation of Ulster by R. J. Hunter" was released today 5/30/2018 by the Public Records Office of Northern Ireland. It is available in their library in Belfast, or by special on line purchase for only ONE cent. Their on line source is BooksIreland.org.uk I have read this book, and found it to be a meticulous examination of documents relating to the plantation of Ulster starting in 1600 and going up to 1661. However your ancestors may have been effected by this historic event, you will find the details in this research book very helpful. The book was written in an academic manner, and the general public will find it dry and boring, but anyone researching this time and place will find it of interest. Just thought it was worth a heads up notice for the FG members. Jim Dix _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/postorius/lists/fermanagh-gold@rootsweb.com/ Archives: https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/hyperkitty/list/fermanagh-gold@rootsweb.com/ Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

Today, I received a notice from the Ulster Historical Foundation that a new and updated version of the book "Plantation of Ulster by R. J. Hunter" was released today 5/30/2018 by the Public Records Office of Northern Ireland. It is available in their library in Belfast, or by special on line purchase for only ONE cent. Their on line source is BooksIreland.org.uk I have read this book, and found it to be a meticulous examination of documents relating to the plantation of Ulster starting in 1600 and going up to 1661. However your ancestors may have been effected by this historic event, you will find the details in this research book very helpful. The book was written in an academic manner, and the general public will find it dry and boring, but anyone researching this time and place will find it of interest. Just thought it was worth a heads up notice for the FG members. Jim Dix

Sheila, You are doing good detective work! I know it is frustrating. I wish these people had not just said in: parish book, census records and tombstones that they were from “Ireland.” In one cemetery, near Ottawa, I found an Adam Geddes, wife Mary Ann Nixon, who was from Fermanagh, (tombstone) so I thought it likely that others in the cemetery were from Fermanagh. Putting this evidence together with other clues, including dna evidence, helps to build a case. Anne in Ottawa, Ontario From: Dee Byster-Graham Sent: May 30, 2018 2:26 AM To: 'This list is for those researching their ancestors in Fermanagh and surrounding counties in Ireland' Subject: FERMANAGH-GOLD -Re: DNA links Middlesbrough Snows to Fermanagh Sheila, Re DNA: My daughter, Joanne, purchased Ancestry DNA kits for herself and me as my Mother's Day present earlier this year. Jo's came back, and exactly what we expected. From memory, 2 SNOW matches. Due to my undergoing recent radiation treatment, I kept my kit for 4 months and then sent it for analysis. Unfortunately, yesterday Ancestry notified me that they could not obtain a result form my DNA, and have re-issues another kit so I shall try again. When it arrives I shall again wait for a few months for the dead cells to disappear before sending it back. We will finally be able to compare. Eilish, on this list, is also related to Matthew and Rose, she will also have the test. Kindly, Dee. -----Original Message----- From: smwoods@mymts.net [mailto:smwoods@mymts.net] Sent: Wednesday, 30 May 2018 10:52 AM To: fermanagh-gold@rootsweb.com Subject: FERMANAGH-GOLD -DNA links Middlesbrough Snows to Fermanagh My Snows left Ireland between 1845 and 1850 and settled in Middlesbrough. I have long believed that they came from Fermanagh, but the only links I could find to Snows in Fermanagh were their religion (Roman Catholic), a cousin born in Enniskillen, and the names Joseph, James, John, Patrick, Matthew, Thomas and Francis occurring in both places. The two Middlesbrough Snow families were headed by Alice widow of John (farmer) and Mary widow of Patrick (farmer), both born in the 1790's. My ggg-grandparents were John and Alice. I don't know how John and Patrick are related, but the Tithe Applotment Books list a Pat Snow and a widow John Snow in Tully as well as a John Snow in St. Catherines. Now I have an Ancestry DNA match to a mother and daughter, descendants of Matthew Snow and Rose McHugh who had two children baptised in Devenish in 1853 and 1857. I'm an estimated 4th cousin match to the mother and a 5th cousin match to the daughter. My sister doesn't match either of them, but another Middlesbrough Snow, my double 4th cousin, is a 4th cousin or closer match to the mother. Sheila Woods in Canada _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/postorius/lists/fermanagh-gold@rootsweb. com/ Archives: https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/hyperkitty/list/fermanagh-gold@rootsweb. com/ Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/postorius/lists/fermanagh-gold@rootsweb.com/ Archives: https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/hyperkitty/list/fermanagh-gold@rootsweb.com/ Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

Sheila, Re DNA: My daughter, Joanne, purchased Ancestry DNA kits for herself and me as my Mother's Day present earlier this year. Jo's came back, and exactly what we expected. From memory, 2 SNOW matches. Due to my undergoing recent radiation treatment, I kept my kit for 4 months and then sent it for analysis. Unfortunately, yesterday Ancestry notified me that they could not obtain a result form my DNA, and have re-issues another kit so I shall try again. When it arrives I shall again wait for a few months for the dead cells to disappear before sending it back. We will finally be able to compare. Eilish, on this list, is also related to Matthew and Rose, she will also have the test. Kindly, Dee. -----Original Message----- From: smwoods@mymts.net [mailto:smwoods@mymts.net] Sent: Wednesday, 30 May 2018 10:52 AM To: fermanagh-gold@rootsweb.com Subject: FERMANAGH-GOLD -DNA links Middlesbrough Snows to Fermanagh My Snows left Ireland between 1845 and 1850 and settled in Middlesbrough. I have long believed that they came from Fermanagh, but the only links I could find to Snows in Fermanagh were their religion (Roman Catholic), a cousin born in Enniskillen, and the names Joseph, James, John, Patrick, Matthew, Thomas and Francis occurring in both places. The two Middlesbrough Snow families were headed by Alice widow of John (farmer) and Mary widow of Patrick (farmer), both born in the 1790's. My ggg-grandparents were John and Alice. I don't know how John and Patrick are related, but the Tithe Applotment Books list a Pat Snow and a widow John Snow in Tully as well as a John Snow in St. Catherines. Now I have an Ancestry DNA match to a mother and daughter, descendants of Matthew Snow and Rose McHugh who had two children baptised in Devenish in 1853 and 1857. I'm an estimated 4th cousin match to the mother and a 5th cousin match to the daughter. My sister doesn't match either of them, but another Middlesbrough Snow, my double 4th cousin, is a 4th cousin or closer match to the mother. Sheila Woods in Canada _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/postorius/lists/fermanagh-gold@rootsweb. com/ Archives: https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/hyperkitty/list/fermanagh-gold@rootsweb. com/ Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus

Hello Sheila, Shall try to answer a few of your questions in this mail, and shall email you directly my musings of the origin of the SNOW family off line. You hit the nail on the head with the plethora of common given names in every branch in every generation. Thus we have several James, Patrick, Susan etc etc alive together, all cousins, in the same small County. It's something of a nightmare to sort them all out, and I have spent about 8 years now in the search. Querry: do you refer to Middlesborough, England or in USA? All Roman Catholic, all live in Fermanagh, and every SNOW is of the same family. The original SNOW names I have are: Patrick 1768-1848; Catherine 1786-1866; Sarah 1788-1868; John 1790-1861; James 1792-1860; Francis 1815-1903 this last could be a child of one of the earlier names given here. John SNOW 1790-1851 married Alice ? no other data so far. Children: Hugh; Joan; John; Joseph; James and probably others. Patrick SNOW 1768-1848 married Mary ? no other data so far. Children: Mary Anne b 1824; Thomas b 1826; Alice b1837; Matthew b 1841 probably others. Question: are John and Patrick brothers, or son and father? Either could be equally correct - it is not unknown for the SNOW mem to marry very late in life and father large families. At this stage I am assuming they are brothers - again, only 22 years apart. One Patrick SNOW is recorded in the Enniskillen Workhouse - found dirty, starving, demented, and wandering during the Famine year 1848; he died in the Workhouse. Are these two Patricks the same man? Matthew SNOW of Beagh Big (born Tully) married Rose McHugh of ? several of us working to find Rose's parents and place of birth - Fermanagh somewhere. Matthew is the son of James SNOW of Beagh Little (formerly of Tully) and Mary Keown of Cornahilta, Fermanagh. This pair are my g-g-grandparents. Matthew and Rose had many children, most lived in Fermanagh, some immigrated to USA. When Matthew died sometime in the 1870's Rose (who was then blind) went to live with their eldest son, Matthew of Ardshankill Boa Island. Kindest regards, Dee. -----Original Message----- From: smwoods@mymts.net [mailto:smwoods@mymts.net] Sent: Wednesday, 30 May 2018 10:52 AM To: fermanagh-gold@rootsweb.com Subject: FERMANAGH-GOLD -DNA links Middlesbrough Snows to Fermanagh My Snows left Ireland between 1845 and 1850 and settled in Middlesbrough. I have long believed that they came from Fermanagh, but the only links I could find to Snows in Fermanagh were their religion (Roman Catholic), a cousin born in Enniskillen, and the names Joseph, James, John, Patrick, Matthew, Thomas and Francis occurring in both places. The two Middlesbrough Snow families were headed by Alice widow of John (farmer) and Mary widow of Patrick (farmer), both born in the 1790's. My ggg-grandparents were John and Alice. I don't know how John and Patrick are related, but the Tithe Applotment Books list a Pat Snow and a widow John Snow in Tully as well as a John Snow in St. Catherines. Now I have an Ancestry DNA match to a mother and daughter, descendants of Matthew Snow and Rose McHugh who had two children baptised in Devenish in 1853 and 1857. I'm an estimated 4th cousin match to the mother and a 5th cousin match to the daughter. My sister doesn't match either of them, but another Middlesbrough Snow, my double 4th cousin, is a 4th cousin or closer match to the mother. Sheila Woods in Canada _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/postorius/lists/fermanagh-gold@rootsweb. com/ Archives: https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/hyperkitty/list/fermanagh-gold@rootsweb. com/ Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus