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    1. FERMANAGH-GOLD -Re: Autosomal, Mt, or Y DNa
    2. Shirley Smith
    3. Hi, Carl, autosomal DNA refers to the first 22 chromosomes, and familytreedna.com uses the term FamilyFinder to refer to this autosomal DNA. The 23rd chromosome is the xx or xy chromosome that controls whether the baby is a girl or boy. We get autosomal DNA from both our parents. mtDNA is only from the mothers and yDNA is only from the fathers. familytreedna tests all three, autosomal/FamilyFinder, mtDNA, and yDNA. AncestryDNA does not test mtDNA and yDNA; it tests only autosomal. Shirley in hot sunny Florida On Wed, Jun 20, 2018 at 10:29 PM, Carl Maguire <cmaguire@northwestel.net> wrote: > To clarify: > > What is the "Family Finder" on FTDNA? Autosomal or Mtdna? I bought into > that too, and have found a couple of 4th cousins confirmed, and another > couple that we have not confirmed yet. > > On Ydna at 111 markers, Stephen J. Maguire (of this list) and I match at a > genetic distance of 5. And we haven't found our common ancestor. > > I'm reluctant to spend any more money until I get some action on what I've > thus far put into it. Its damn expensive. > > Carl > > On 2018-06-20, at 5:16 PM, Margaret Barnes wrote: > > > Janet if you are a Maguire descendant you could compare your autosomal > dna with Carl’s if he has had his tested. This may show up a connection > out to about 5th cousins depending on whether you both inherited the same > bits. > > As far as I am aware you cannot compare autosomal and Y-DNA (or mtDNA > for that matter). > > > > Margaret in Oz. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > > > > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/postorius/lists/ > fermanagh-gold@rootsweb.com/ > > > > Archives: https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/hyperkitty/list/ > fermanagh-gold@rootsweb.com/ > > > > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > > > > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > community > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/postorius/lists/ > fermanagh-gold@rootsweb.com/ > > Archives: https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/hyperkitty/list/ > fermanagh-gold@rootsweb.com/ > > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > community > >

    06/21/2018 10:05:01
    1. FERMANAGH-GOLD -Re: Autosomal, Mt, or Y DNa
    2. Carl Maguire
    3. Thanks folks. On 2018-06-20, at 7:50 PM, David Johnston via FERMANAGH-GOLD wrote: > Hi Carl > > Family Finder is an autosomal DNA test. > > Regards > David Johnston > Australia > >> On 21 Jun 2018, at 12:29 pm, Carl Maguire <cmaguire@northwestel.net> wrote: >> >> To clarify: >> >> What is the "Family Finder" on FTDNA? Autosomal or Mtdna? I bought into that too, and have found a couple of 4th cousins confirmed, and another couple that we have not confirmed yet. >> >> On Ydna at 111 markers, Stephen J. Maguire (of this list) and I match at a genetic distance of 5. And we haven't found our common ancestor. >> >> I'm reluctant to spend any more money until I get some action on what I've thus far put into it. Its damn expensive. >> >> Carl > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/postorius/lists/fermanagh-gold@rootsweb.com/ > > Archives: https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/hyperkitty/list/fermanagh-gold@rootsweb.com/ > > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

    06/20/2018 09:24:23
    1. FERMANAGH-GOLD -Re: Autosomal, Mt, or Y DNa
    2. David Johnston
    3. Hi Carl Family Finder is an autosomal DNA test. Regards David Johnston Australia > On 21 Jun 2018, at 12:29 pm, Carl Maguire <cmaguire@northwestel.net> wrote: > > To clarify: > > What is the "Family Finder" on FTDNA? Autosomal or Mtdna? I bought into that too, and have found a couple of 4th cousins confirmed, and another couple that we have not confirmed yet. > > On Ydna at 111 markers, Stephen J. Maguire (of this list) and I match at a genetic distance of 5. And we haven't found our common ancestor. > > I'm reluctant to spend any more money until I get some action on what I've thus far put into it. Its damn expensive. > > Carl

    06/20/2018 08:50:15
    1. FERMANAGH-GOLD -Re: Autosomal, Mt, or Y DNa
    2. Anne Sterling
    3. Carl, Family Finder is the autosomal dna test. Mitochondrial traces your mother's line. A man cannot pass on mitochondrial dna, altho he inherits it from his mother. A woman passes on her motochondrial dna to her sons and daughters. Also, it is important for the older generation to be tested first..I had my Mom tested. She is a geberation ahead, so matches people I do not. There are some good U tube videos explaining it all. Maurice Gleeson has some excellent ones. Anne On Wed, Jun 20, 2018, 10:27 PM Carl Maguire, <cmaguire@northwestel.net> wrote: > To clarify: > > What is the "Family Finder" on FTDNA? Autosomal or Mtdna? I bought into > that too, and have found a couple of 4th cousins confirmed, and another > couple that we have not confirmed yet. > > On Ydna at 111 markers, Stephen J. Maguire (of this list) and I match at a > genetic distance of 5. And we haven't found our common ancestor. > > I'm reluctant to spend any more money until I get some action on what I've > thus far put into it. Its damn expensive. > > Carl > > On 2018-06-20, at 5:16 PM, Margaret Barnes wrote: > > > Janet if you are a Maguire descendant you could compare your autosomal > dna with Carl’s if he has had his tested. This may show up a connection > out to about 5th cousins depending on whether you both inherited the same > bits. > > As far as I am aware you cannot compare autosomal and Y-DNA (or mtDNA > for that matter). > > > > Margaret in Oz. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > > > > Unsubscribe > https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/postorius/lists/fermanagh-gold@rootsweb.com/ > > > > Archives: > https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/hyperkitty/list/fermanagh-gold@rootsweb.com/ > > > > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > > > > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > community > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > > Unsubscribe > https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/postorius/lists/fermanagh-gold@rootsweb.com/ > > Archives: > https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/hyperkitty/list/fermanagh-gold@rootsweb.com/ > > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > community >

    06/20/2018 08:50:03
    1. FERMANAGH-GOLD -Autosomal, Mt, or Y DNa
    2. Carl Maguire
    3. To clarify: What is the "Family Finder" on FTDNA? Autosomal or Mtdna? I bought into that too, and have found a couple of 4th cousins confirmed, and another couple that we have not confirmed yet. On Ydna at 111 markers, Stephen J. Maguire (of this list) and I match at a genetic distance of 5. And we haven't found our common ancestor. I'm reluctant to spend any more money until I get some action on what I've thus far put into it. Its damn expensive. Carl On 2018-06-20, at 5:16 PM, Margaret Barnes wrote: > Janet if you are a Maguire descendant you could compare your autosomal dna with Carl’s if he has had his tested. This may show up a connection out to about 5th cousins depending on whether you both inherited the same bits. > As far as I am aware you cannot compare autosomal and Y-DNA (or mtDNA for that matter). > > Margaret in Oz. > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/postorius/lists/fermanagh-gold@rootsweb.com/ > > Archives: https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/hyperkitty/list/fermanagh-gold@rootsweb.com/ > > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

    06/20/2018 08:29:27
    1. FERMANAGH-GOLD -Crozier in Fermanagh?
    2. Margaret Barnes
    3. Janet if you are a Maguire descendant you could compare your autosomal dna with Carl’s if he has had his tested. This may show up a connection out to about 5th cousins depending on whether you both inherited the same bits. As far as I am aware you cannot compare autosomal and Y-DNA (or mtDNA for that matter). Margaret in Oz.

    06/20/2018 06:16:42
    1. FERMANAGH-GOLD -Re: Crozier in Fermanagh?
    2. Janet Morgan
    3. Carl If you have the 111 markers can you match at all with someone who has an autosomal test? My Maguires are on my maternal GGGrandmother’s side. Not many go for the 111 markers test. All my male relatives are descended from the same couple with a male McDonnell. Direct line would be female and I only have one of those in a female line. Am I making sense? 1 female I can trace in a direct line to my female Maguire. Janet Morgan > On Jun 20, 2018, at 4:11 AM, Viola Wiggins <vmaw3434@gmail.com> wrote: > > Jean, > Do you know when you will be in Fermanagh? I'd love to meet with you whenever you are here. > I am/was a CROZIER. > My Crozier family naming patterns have RICHARD, Uncle, Gt Uncle 1st, 2nd and 3rd Cousins. > JOHN, Father, Cousin, GFather and GGfather. > One John Crozier, cousin of my GFather joined his Cousin Richard in USA, then crossed into Canada, Toronto. My Uncle Richard Benjamin was in Toronto for a few years with relatives. He was taken ill and my father went to Nurse him. Then bring him back to Ireland just before the outbreak of WW1. > Regards > Viola > > Sent from my iPad > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/postorius/lists/fermanagh-gold@rootsweb.com/ > > Archives: https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/hyperkitty/list/fermanagh-gold@rootsweb.com/ > > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

    06/20/2018 06:49:54
    1. FERMANAGH-GOLD -Crozier in Fermanagh?
    2. Viola Wiggins
    3. Jean, Do you know when you will be in Fermanagh? I'd love to meet with you whenever you are here. I am/was a CROZIER. My Crozier family naming patterns have RICHARD, Uncle, Gt Uncle 1st, 2nd and 3rd Cousins. JOHN, Father, Cousin, GFather and GGfather. One John Crozier, cousin of my GFather joined his Cousin Richard in USA, then crossed into Canada, Toronto. My Uncle Richard Benjamin was in Toronto for a few years with relatives. He was taken ill and my father went to Nurse him. Then bring him back to Ireland just before the outbreak of WW1. Regards Viola Sent from my iPad

    06/20/2018 02:11:57
    1. FERMANAGH-GOLD -Re: DNA matches in Fermanagh?
    2. Carl Maguire
    3. I'm on it at 111 markers, and nobody is admitting to have a common ancestor with me. Precious few Maguires considering we used to own Fermanagh. Sigh. Carl in the Yukon On 2018-06-19, at 10:58 PM, Margaret Barnes wrote: > There is an Ulster DNA Project at > > https://www.familytreedna.com/groups/ulster/about/background > > > Margaret in Oz. > > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/postorius/lists/fermanagh-gold@rootsweb.com/ > > Archives: https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/hyperkitty/list/fermanagh-gold@rootsweb.com/ > > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

    06/20/2018 01:24:24
    1. FERMANAGH-GOLD -Re: DNA matches in Fermanagh?
    2. Margaret Barnes
    3. There is an Ulster DNA Project at https://www.familytreedna.com/groups/ulster/about/background Margaret in Oz.

    06/19/2018 11:58:03
    1. FERMANAGH-GOLD -Re: McAloon
    2. Viola Wiggins
    3. Joan The Tiler who worked on this house was a McAloon and his Cousin. Both had a brouge from the Roslea area. Actually there's a G McAloon, Coragunt, in the phone book. Viola Sent from my iPad > On 16 Jun 2018, at 11:10, Joan Bailey <Joan.Bailey@bbb.ie> wrote: >

    06/16/2018 05:42:41
    1. FERMANAGH-GOLD -Re: Murphy, McAloon from Corragunt, Rosslea and Cassidy, Quigley Greaghawarren
    2. Joan Bailey
    3. Hi Sean, Some of my Murphy relatives in West Monaghan near Dundrumman have family records in Tedavnet RC church - an adjacent parish which might be worth looking at. The church marriage records for Roslea in the 1860s will provide the parents of the married couple, which can take you back another generation. PRONI have the Valuation revision books on line which are very interesting reading. They cover all transactions of each land holding from the Griffith Valuation (1862 for Fermanagh) up to 1929. I had a quick look at Derryard. It is quite hard to read on some of the images but Joseph Murphy took over 2 holdings in 1907 from Philip Murphy who had taken them on in 1897 - might be a family link there. If I find any connections to your Murphys I will let you know. Joan -----Original Message----- From: Sean Corr via FERMANAGH-GOLD <fermanagh-gold@rootsweb.com> Sent: 06 June 2018 18:08 To: fermanagh-gold@rootsweb.com; Joan Bailey <Joan.Bailey@bbb.ie> Cc: Sean Corr <s_corr@yahoo.com> Subject: FERMANAGH-GOLD -Re: Murphy, McAloon from Corragunt, Rosslea and Cassidy, Quigley Greaghawarren Hi Joan, My Murphy family were from Dundrumman in the mid to late 1800s, before moving to Derryard around the early 1900s. Both townlands are not that far from Corragunt, but I don't know of any connection between the Murphy families - although there may well have been a connection further back. The lack of baptism records for Roslea before 1862 makes it difficult to make connections! Seán On Monday, June 4, 2018, 1:46:55 PM GMT+1, Joan Bailey <Joan.Bailey@bbb.ie> wrote: Hi Sean and Gold friends, I am researching Murphy and McAloon (RC) from Corragunt, Rosslea. Sean - are they likely to be linked to your Murphys? I have a tree on Ancestry and a family history documented back to Griffith valuation. I am happy to share my research so far, if it is of interest to anyone. Joan -----Original Message----- From: Sean Corr via FERMANAGH-GOLD <fermanagh-gold@rootsweb.com> Sent: 16 April 2018 11:15 To: fermanagh-gold@rootsweb.com Cc: Sean Corr <s_corr@yahoo.com> Subject: FERMANAGH-GOLDRoll Call FERMANAGH-GOLD@rootsweb.com Hi all, I'm a bit late on the roll call, but here goes: CORR, MCCUSKER, MURRAY, MCDONALD, WYNNE/WINN/GEEHAN, LYNCH, CASSIDY, O'ROURKE, MURPHY all from the Roslea/Clones area and all Catholic as far as I know. I've pretty much exhausted the paper trail at this stage - hoping that DNA might provide some new leads, particularly to those who emigrated. My GEDmatch number is T138320 Seán Corr _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/postorius/lists/fermanagh-gold@rootsweb.com/ Archives: https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/hyperkitty/list/fermanagh-gold@rootsweb.com/ Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

    06/16/2018 04:10:36
    1. FERMANAGH-GOLD -Re: BAXTERs
    2. Kathleen Harrison
    3. I think the 1901 census may be correct. I do have two letters from the John Baxter in Ireland to my grandfather John Baxter. But I am so uncertain of the others. I keep hoping for a breakthrough! Kathleen Baxter On Wed, Jun 13, 2018 at 4:13 AM The Wimble <wwimble@iinet.net.au> wrote: > Kathleen & I have been in touch quite a few times & cannot find where our > BAXTER families connect! For those interested - in Brooke Deed - > D998/26/225 20 Dec 1803 - to James Baxter (aged 18yrs b 1785) & Sarah > Baxter > of Cooneen for the lives of- James b 1785, & Sarah's sons Charles b 1793, > John b 1799. > > Brooke Deed D998/26/226 - to John Baxter of Cooneen for the lives of his > sons - James b 1790, Charles b 1792, George b 1794 > > Brooke Deed - 1823 - to John Baxter of Cooneen, for his sons - James b > 1810, > Charles b 1812, George b 1814. If anyone is in Belfast the Brooke Deeds > at > PRONI give details of family relationships, ages of 'leassees' & younger > generations! Wonderful! > > Kathleen has Baxter brothers - James b 1813, Charles b1814, Thomas b 1815, > John b1816, Patrick. > > In 1901 census in Drumliff/Bellisle - there is RC - Patrick Baxter 71 - b > 1831, his sister Elizabeth Reilly b 1831, John 25y, Ellen 21y, James 20y. > > > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > > Unsubscribe > https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/postorius/lists/fermanagh-gold@rootsweb.com/ > > Archives: > https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/hyperkitty/list/fermanagh-gold@rootsweb.com/ > > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > community >

    06/13/2018 06:03:51
    1. FERMANAGH-GOLD -Re: DNA matches in Fermanagh - Crozier
    2. Cheryl Hebbs
    3. Hi Jean, I am a Crozier descendent, not living in Ireland though. My Crozier ancestor left Fermanagh in 1878 to settle in Australia. I have come across at least 3 distinct groups of Croziers in the Tyrone/Fermanagh region  during my research. My lot lived mostly around Ederney, another family was from Ballinmallard (I think this is Viola's family) and a 3rd from over in the Kilskeery area of Tyrone.   I believe your brother is a match to my 1st cousin in FTDNA. Happy to chat about that in direct message.Also I may be able to put you in touch with a Irish Crozier cousin of mine who has contacted me, no promises. He incidentally is descended from both my lot and a Richard Crozier of Mageralough, Kilskeery, Tyrone. No idea if he is into DNA genealogy though. Cheers Cheryl Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2018 10:31:21 -0700 From: Jean Crozier <jecrozier@shaw.ca> Subject: FERMANAGH-GOLD -DNA matches in Fermanagh? To: fermanagh-gold@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <eaf33985-1047-455e-8a40-bf76dd3174f4@CO1NAM05FT030.eop-na     m05.prod.protection.outlook.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Hi everyone -- I'm pretty new to this group, am searching for my  CROZIER roots (posted a few days ago), and I'm beginning to believe  that the only way I'm likely to find them is through DNA. . . it's  been a long, researching journey so far. . . I do know, through my brother's Y-chromosome DNA testing, that we are  descendants of the CROZIERs who were Border Reivers, so likely were  planted in Ulster in the 16th / 17 th century. My g-g-grandfather  Richard Crozier was (according to his gravestone) born in Tyrone, but  I'm beginning to question that, and wonder if his birthplace might  have been Fermanagh. Have you (we) in the Fermanagh-Gold group been maintaining a DNA  matching group? Also, I'm going to be in Fermanagh after the Ulster Historical  Foundation's conference and tour in September, and I'd be so very  happy to connect with some Croziers -- even just to share a cup of  coffee over a review of our own genealogical travels. Kind Regards Cheryl On Wednesday, 13 June 2018, 7:00:38 am AWST, <fermanagh-gold-request@rootsweb.com> wrote: ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2018 11:53:35 -0600 From: Doug Fletcher <dougfletcher@shaw.ca> Subject: FERMANAGH-GOLD -Re: DNA matches in Fermanagh? To: This list is for those researching their ancestors in Fermanagh     and surrounding counties in Ireland <fermanagh-gold@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <211CBC92-48EA-4936-88FC-77802F094EBA@shaw.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Hello Jean, Can you tell us a  little more about Richard your ggGrandfather. Approx how old was he in the 1901 census. Doug Fletcher Edmonton ps you’ll asolutely love Fermanagh

    06/13/2018 08:58:29
    1. FERMANAGH-GOLD -BAXTERs
    2. The Wimble
    3. Kathleen & I have been in touch quite a few times & cannot find where our BAXTER families connect! For those interested - in Brooke Deed - D998/26/225 20 Dec 1803 - to James Baxter (aged 18yrs b 1785) & Sarah Baxter of Cooneen for the lives of- James b 1785, & Sarah's sons Charles b 1793, John b 1799. Brooke Deed D998/26/226 - to John Baxter of Cooneen for the lives of his sons - James b 1790, Charles b 1792, George b 1794 Brooke Deed - 1823 - to John Baxter of Cooneen, for his sons - James b 1810, Charles b 1812, George b 1814. If anyone is in Belfast the Brooke Deeds at PRONI give details of family relationships, ages of 'leassees' & younger generations! Wonderful! Kathleen has Baxter brothers - James b 1813, Charles b1814, Thomas b 1815, John b1816, Patrick. In 1901 census in Drumliff/Bellisle - there is RC - Patrick Baxter 71 - b 1831, his sister Elizabeth Reilly b 1831, John 25y, Ellen 21y, James 20y. --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus

    06/13/2018 03:15:22
    1. FERMANAGH-GOLD -Baxter Forbears
    2. I have a genealogy which shows a Catherine Baxter b. 1747 who married Hugh Boyd b.1743. Catherine Baxter died and was buried in 2/11/1825 at St. Patrick's Church of Ireland, Newry, County Down. Catherine Baxter's father was a James Baxter b. around 1725, and her mother Catherine Conyngham b. around 1730. Might Catherine Baxter be a sister to your James Baxter b. 1746? Maybe, but then again maybe not. Just thought it was worth mentioning. Jim Dix

    06/12/2018 08:19:57
    1. FERMANAGH-GOLD -Re: Sedborough family previously Re: BAXTER forebears
    2. Viola Wiggins
    3. Clive It was a STAMER who married a SEDBOROUGH c1635/40 from memory. The Sir J passed away c2000. I'm almost certain Mt SEDBOROUGH is in the Philips but I'll check it out again. I gave up the search when his nephew sent a letter announcing Sir J's death. I got a photo copy the Mt S map from PRONI and Posted it to him. I remember that a parcel of land was part of the Dowry. Vi

    06/12/2018 07:10:36
    1. FERMANAGH-GOLD -Re: Sedborough family previously Re: BAXTER forebears
    2. Hi Viola, Do you happen to know the surname of the family who married into the Sedboroughs, he was enquiring about? I have never seen Mount Sedborough on modern maps, but have seen "Mount Sedborough Lough" marked. But I know it is located in modern townland of Rateen, and is owned by the MAYNE's family due to the marriage of Barbara Sedborough to John Mayne. https://www.townlands.ie/fermanagh/clankelly/clones-clankelly-portion/ coolnamarrow/rateen/ Rateen neighbours the townland of Rathmoran previously known as Lisnamoran which according to local oral history had a very impressive castle built on it and seat of the old "Ardmagh" lands. Not to be confused with the later "Armagh Manor" which restored the use of this old name and was/is seated at Ballagh. The ruins of the castle can be seen marked on the 1st Edition OS maps made in the 1830's. I have heard stories of how the castle came to be in ruins, but never found any evidence in records and would be very interested if these townlands are mentioned in records prior to 1830. Also, another thing I find curious is that old records refer to "Mount Mount Sedborough" and I would love to know why the use of double Mount. Clive On Tuesday, 12 June 2018 10:32:42 IST Viola Wiggins wrote: > When I used to take Family Tree magazine I saw a letter from Sir Joseph > STAMER who was enquiring about the SEDBOROUGH holdings in Fermanagh. His > Ancestor was descended from a union of his early planter family and a > SEDBOROUGH. That was over 30 years ago, before Internet and on line > records. There are still a number of BAXTER entries in the Fermanagh > Lakeland Telephone Directory. Ranging from Enniskillen, Tempo, > Ballinamallard, and other places. STAMERs left before the Famine according > to Sir Joseph. Mount SEDBOROUGH is shown on the local maps, was the seat of > that family. Viola > > > Sent from my iPad > > > On 12 Jun 2018, at 06:32, The Wimble <wwimble@iinet.net.au> wrote: > > > > I was very interested to read Claim No 77 in the Depositions of 1641. It > > is > > by William BAXTER late of Rathmort (Rathmoran? Clankelly) gent & eldest > > son > > & heir apparent of Martin BAXTER of Carndallan & Belturbet, Cavan. William > > talks about he & his sister & uncle, John Warren of Belturbet (& Dublin). > > With a little internet digging Sir Hugh Wirrell/Worrell passed on land in > > this same area to a Rev. & Martine BAXTER, gent of Belturbet in Dec 1612. > > In March 1629, similarly Sir Gilbert Eccles re-granted Rathmoran Manor to > > three 'gents', one being Matryn BAXTER. In 1613 (another?) William > > BAXTER was a tenant for English Undertaker John Sedborough nearby. My > > family stems from BAXTER (brothers?) James 1746 -1834 (married Mary > > Johnson/ Egan) & William b 1747 in Tattnabuddagh; George b 1751, Patrick > > b 1755, James b 1763, John b1767 & Robert b1769 - all in nearby Cooneen > > townland. Is anyone researching BAXTERs? Or could anyone offer any > > thoughts on connections or relationships between them all?! > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > > Unsubscribe > https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/postorius/lists/fermanagh-gold@rootsweb > .com/ > > Archives: > https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/hyperkitty/list/fermanagh-gold@rootsweb > .com/ > > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > community

    06/12/2018 05:00:18
    1. FERMANAGH-GOLD -Re: BAXTER forebears
    2. Kathleen Harrison
    3. My Baxters were Roman Catholic, Three came to America in the 1840s and early 1850s, John, James, Charles. They settled in Allamakee County, furthest northeastern county in Iowa. They left four brothers behind, Robert, Patrick, William and Thomas. One tombstone says Drumliff, Lisnaskea. John went back to Ireland when his wife died, remarried in Boston area when he returned to the USA. All the brothers who came to Iowa had an eldest son named John as well as a daughter named Sarah, so, duh, I suspect their parents of being John and Sarah. I have a DNA match, third cousin level, whose grandmother was Marie Baxter Dion, Worcester, Massachusetts area, and I am hoping she is a descendant or at least related to that John. I love DNA but it sure does not provide all the answers you wish you had! On Tue, Jun 12, 2018 at 10:19 AM James Mullan <jamesmullan@rogers.com> wrote: > Kathleen, > If the answer to Viola`s question is that their religion was C of I, you > may > want to look at the Baxters in 1901 Tattenabuddagh. > In house # 19, William Baxter was living with his wife Sarah Ann (Johnson) > and five children. (Sarah's parents were William Johnson/Ann Jones) I > believe Sarah is related to the Johnsons living in house #5 in Killyfole > 1901. I think Anne there was Anne Lang, Sarah's mother. So in #5 > Killyfole > 1901, widow Anne Johnston was living with a son and two grand-daughters. > Also living with Anne Johnston were three Parsons who likely were related > to > her, including a married mother and two children. These two children were > born in America. And living in the same house was an unmarried Thomas > Baxter. > > Maybe just a wild guess but one never knows. > > James > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Viola Wiggins > Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2018 9:44 AM > To: This list is for those researching their ancestors in Fermanagh and > surrounding counties in Ireland > Subject: FERMANAGH-GOLD -Re: BAXTER forebears > > Kathleen, > In order to help you researching your ancestor, we would need to have more > information you have on his Irish Origins before he left Ireland. For > instance, There were 9 Charles BAXTERs in the whole of Ireland in the 1901 > Census which is the first surviving records of households for the whole of > Ireland. > Where was your Charles BAXTER from before he left Ireland 1846? What age, > religion was he? > Viola > > Sent from my iPad > > > On 12 Jun 2018, at 13:07, Kathleen Harrison <baxterlittle@gmail.com> > > wrote: > > > > I am researching Baxters; great grandfather was Charles Baxter who > arrived > > in the USA in 1846, > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > > Unsubscribe > https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/postorius/lists/fermanagh-gold@rootsweb.com/ > > Archives: > https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/hyperkitty/list/fermanagh-gold@rootsweb.com/ > > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > community >

    06/12/2018 12:36:38
    1. FERMANAGH-GOLD -Re: DNA matches in Fermanagh?
    2. Doug Fletcher
    3. Hello Jean, Can you tell us a little more about Richard your ggGrandfather. Approx how old was he in the 1901 census. Doug Fletcher Edmonton ps you’ll asolutely love Fermanagh > On Jun 12, 2018, at 11:31 AM, Jean Crozier <jecrozier@shaw.ca> wrote: > > Hi everyone -- I'm pretty new to this group, am searching for my CROZIER roots (posted a few days ago), and I'm beginning to believe that the only way I'm likely to find them is through DNA. . . it's been a long, researching journey so far. . . > > I do know, through my brother's Y-chromosome DNA testing, that we are descendants of the CROZIERs who were Border Reivers, so likely were planted in Ulster in the 16th / 17 th century. My g-g-grandfather Richard Crozier was (according to his gravestone) born in Tyrone, but I'm beginning to question that, and wonder if his birthplace might have been Fermanagh. > > Have you (we) in the Fermanagh-Gold group been maintaining a DNA matching group? > > Also, I'm going to be in Fermanagh after the Ulster Historical Foundation's conference and tour in September, and I'd be so very happy to connect with some Croziers -- even just to share a cup of coffee over a review of our own genealogical travels. > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/postorius/lists/fermanagh-gold@rootsweb.com/ > > Archives: https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/hyperkitty/list/fermanagh-gold@rootsweb.com/ > > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

    06/12/2018 11:53:35