I think it is beneficial for FG members to know that Family Tree no longer accepts a transfer of DNA results from the National Geographic Genographic Project, IF you live in the USA. Last Christmas my daughter spent over $100 to give me the gift of the National Geographic Test Kit which we thought would also be able to be transferred for FREE to the Family Tree system. Once we received our DNA results from NG we went to the FTDNA web site to transfer them to FT. After we entered our NG test kit ID number into the transfer site we were informed it was invalid because they no longer accept NG results. We called FT for an explanation, and they said they stopped accepting NG results since November 2016, IF you live in the USA. We complained that their current web site still advertises that they are the DNA partner of National Geographic, and we purchased this more expensive test based on their current web site advertising. We considered their web site to be at best misleading, and at worst fraudulent. They were unapologetic, but now their web site says they are the international partners of National Geographic. However, people in the USA still can not transfer their DNA results, and do not know that until they go onto the Transfer site to do the transfer. Apparently Family Tree does not include the USA as part of their international family. So be it. Now we and any one we know in the USA will use the Ancestry DNA test, even though we do not like Ancestry due to their attempt to monopolize the genealogy world. Jim Dix Wisconsin, USA

It took Ellish’s sad encounter with FTDNA over “Family Finder” testing to prompt me to comment. I suspect that the FTDNA staff on “Family Finder” duty is not up to the standard of those doing the STR and SNP Y-chromosome work. That Y-DNA crew has pretty much established the industry standard and I’ve used every level of that testing on a couple of different projects. As for autosomal testing, in my opinion 23andMe offers the best autosomal + package with their basic genealogy (not health) test. Without any separate charge, they bundle: (1.) a limited, but decent version of a Y-DNA test (based on SNPs, something you can’t get with FTDNA except as a “Big Y” customer); (2.) a good autosomal test that, based on some family experience, appears to be considerably more sensitive to ethnic patterns than at least the Ancestry.com <http://ancestry.com/> work and; (3.) a MtDNA test that will fit you into one of the major groupings. All for about the same price as Ancestry's and FTDNA’s autosomal-only offerings. 23andMe is primarily a scientific (albeit with a focus on health-related issues) venture and I believe their basic test benefits from that focus. I realize that with Ellish’s own analysis, the included YDNA offering would have been of no interest, but I still think the 23andMe offering is superior. Jack Fallin Walnut Creek, CA > > 4. More FTDNA exploits (Eilish Gmail) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2018 10:26:15 +1000 > From: Eilish Gmail <eilish7@gmail.com> > Subject: FERMANAGH-GOLD -More FTDNA exploits > To: fermanagh-gold@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <06ead8a6-cca9-093b-fbe1-5ad13ef79943@gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed > > Morning Listers, > > Well, well, well. Because of my rant yesterday about my misadventures > with FTDNA, I have now received an email from FTDNA because somebody on > the forum allegedly forwarded my post to them. > > I now have an apology over the incident and an offer to send two free > tests. But nobody signed this email, although they are using the same > reference number used during the ongoing debacle. So I don't know who I > am talking to, although they make reference to the two people who were > mishandling this case. So, Mr/Ms Nobody has apologised. > > Now, who could have reported this, or alternatively, *who is > **watching**this list?* If I'd posted my frustrations months ago, I may > not have had to endure the inept customer service that FTDNA provide to > their Paypal customers. And they have access to my full post because > they know I have a Y-DNA kit. > > Curiouser and Curiouser! > > Eilish > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > End of FERMANAGH-GOLD Digest, Vol 14, Issue 188 > ***********************************************

To weigh in on support for Family Tree DNA, I had originally subscribed to National Geographic Magazine and IBM’s “Genographic” survey in 2007 which I believe is still ongoing. The lab company that NG used to perform the dna tests was Family Tree DNA. The Genographic survey was initially just determining the migration patterns of humans out of Africa and your Haplo-Grouping determined your "personal ancestral migration pattern". I thought that that would be interesting to have and joined the survey - it was very intersting by the way. Later, I discovered that Family Tree DNA was offering to take the Genographic DNA tests I had submitted to the next logical step which was to see if other Genographic or FTDNA subscribers had the same markers to determine cousinship. In 2008, I had the Genographic test transferred (no charge) to FTDNA and it laid fairly dormant for a few years. As the testing became more and more popular, I started to get “possible” cousins but who had different surnames. I should say that my male family line is from Newfoundland and my ancestors are alleged to have been there prior to formal settlement in 1608. Eventually, I have had 3 "same surname" confirmed 7th cousins who are documented by family records as well as their dna which takes us back to the late 1700’s. I live on the west coast of Canada and one of those 7th cousins lived some 20 miles from me! On my Irish mother’s side, I sponsored an Irish first cousin still living in Kilkenny to have the test done. I have only made contact with one possible cousin. Irish records and family knowledge with that contact are as scant as mine so no break through there. Why am I on this list then? My wife’s Stevensons/Stinsons are from Carrigolagh, Fermanagh. I have been unable to convince any male Stevenson surname of her cousins to take the test. Frustrating...

C'mon, Carl. You know you'd enjoy a spot of plundering and pillaging, what with the viking blood 'n all! I did read a very interesting book by a geneticist that I posted about maybe a month ago, and basically he said these commercial tests were very inaccurate. He had tested himself with four different companies and then tested in the research lab in which he worked and found that none of the companies were anywhere near accurate. I decided to go ahead anyway for a bit of fun. I think the message he gave is to take the haplogroups with a grain of salt, and if you find a cousin or two and break down a wall then you are a winner. Eilish On 27/06/2018 12:30 PM, Carl Maguire wrote: > You can be a Norseperson and not be involved with all the plundering and pillaging. Just sayin'. > Carl > > On 2018-06-26, at 6:08 PM, Margaret Barnes wrote: > >> _______________________________________________ >>

You can be a Norseperson and not be involved with all the plundering and pillaging. Just sayin'. Carl On 2018-06-26, at 6:08 PM, Margaret Barnes wrote: > One of my kits which is Haplogroup I1 has many matches with Scandinavian surnames. > We can presume from that the ancestor was from Scandinavia but whether that means he > was a Viking who knows. > > Margaret in Oz. > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/postorius/lists/fermanagh-gold@rootsweb.com/ > > Archives: https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/hyperkitty/list/fermanagh-gold@rootsweb.com/ > > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

Sent from my iPad > On Jun 26, 2018, at 6:58 PM, Anne Sterling <m.anne.sterling@gmail.com> wrote: > > I agree with Shirley. I have tested with ftdna, Ancestry, and 23andme. Many who test on Ancestry have no idea how to interpret results. They just want to see the pie chart. There are charts available to help you know the range of centimorgans for e.g. first cousin etc. Centimorgans are the basic unit for matching. A parent and child match for about 3380 centimorgans, for example. Again, look for a You Tube video to explain the basics. > More of us Fermanagh people can connect if we all test. I have connected with some 2nd cousins on each of the three tests. However, people testing on Ancestry for the most part are not going beyond just looking at the pie chart. > > Anne in Ottawa > > From: Patricia Braden > Sent: June 26, 2018 6:42 PM > To: 'This list is for those researching their ancestors in Fermanagh and surrounding counties in Ireland' > Subject: FERMANAGH-GOLD -Re: More FTDNA exploits > > Totally agree Shirley. > > (Other than their possible PayPal problems) I believe they are the most > professional / legitimate company. And I too have worried about them being > put out of business by the "big guy". > > Pat > > -----Original Message----- > From: Shirley Smith [mailto:salsmith1952@gmail.com] > Sent: Wednesday, 27 June 2018 12:47 AM > To: This list is for those researching their ancestors in Fermanagh and > surrounding counties in Ireland <fermanagh-gold@rootsweb.com> > Subject: FERMANAGH-GOLD -Re: More FTDNA exploits > > Hi, Eilish, I have had the best experiences with familytreedna for several > years and multiple tests. I think they really are the best, most scientific > company and am worried ancestrydna (which doesn't even test mtDNA and yDNA) > will put them out of business because ancestrydna is huge and spends so much > on advertising. I hope others on this list will consider using > familytreedna.com. Shirley > >> On Mon, Jun 25, 2018 at 9:08 PM, Eilish Gmail <eilish7@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Exactly! >> >> >>> On 26/06/2018 10:52 AM, Carl Maguire wrote: >>> >>> I wouldn't be at all surprised if they monitor this list, nor would I >>> be surprised if they have an employee searching her/his Fermanagh >>> roots and subscribing to FG. I think we represent a pretty sizeable > customer base. >>> Just a thought... >>> Carl >>> >>> On 2018-06-25, at 5:26 PM, Eilish Gmail wrote: >>> >>> Morning Listers, >>>> >>>> Well, well, well. Because of my rant yesterday about my >>>> misadventures with FTDNA, I have now received an email from FTDNA >>>> because somebody on the forum allegedly forwarded my post to them. >>>> >>>> I now have an apology over the incident and an offer to send two >>>> free tests. But nobody signed this email, although they are using >>>> the same reference number used during the ongoing debacle. So I >>>> don't know who I am talking to, although they make reference to the >>>> two people who were mishandling this case. So, Mr/Ms Nobody has > apologised. >>>> >>>> Now, who could have reported this, or alternatively, *who is >>>> **watching**this list?* If I'd posted my frustrations months ago, I >>>> may not have had to endure the inept customer service that FTDNA >>>> provide to their Paypal customers. And they have access to my full >>>> post because they know I have a Y-DNA kit. >>>> >>>> Curiouser and Curiouser! >>>> >>>> Eilish >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref >>> >>> Unsubscribe >>> https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/postorius/lists/fermanag >>> h-gold@rootsweb.com/ >>> >>> Archives: >>> https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/hyperkitty/list/fermanag >>> h-gold@rootsweb.com/ >>> >>> Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: >>> https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 >>> >>> RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal >>> RootsWeb community >> _______________________________________________ >> Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref >> >> Unsubscribe >> https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/postorius/lists/fermanag >> h-gold@rootsweb.com/ >> >> Archives: https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/hyperkitty/list/fermanag >> h-gold@rootsweb.com/ >> >> Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: >> https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 >> >> RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal >> RootsWeb community > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > > Unsubscribe > https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/postorius/lists/fermanagh-gold@rootsweb. > com/ > > Archives: > https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/hyperkitty/list/fermanagh-gold@rootsweb. > com/ > > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > community > > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/postorius/lists/fermanagh-gold@rootsweb.com/ > > Archives: https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/hyperkitty/list/fermanagh-gold@rootsweb.com/ > > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community > > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/postorius/lists/fermanagh-gold@rootsweb.com/ > > Archives: https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/hyperkitty/list/fermanagh-gold@rootsweb.com/ > > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

I wonder how many of them are related to each other. Margaret in Oz.

One of my kits which is Haplogroup I1 has many matches with Scandinavian surnames. We can presume from that the ancestor was from Scandinavia but whether that means he was a Viking who knows. Margaret in Oz.

Hear Hear Shirley. I have never had any trouble with FTDNA althouigh I have paid by credit card. I manage 7 kits. I would also recommend those who have been Y-DNA tested to join one of the FTDNA Projects either for haplogroup, surname or geographic district. My most common surname ‘Wilson’ has been the most successful because of two particular matches who have pushed from their end and have had the help of project administrators. Margaret in Oz. PS I haven’t had any success with mtDNA. Because of the lack of Irish records prior to 1800 and the change of surnames of women, it is almost impossible.

1. Re: More FTDNA exploits Ancestry has little to offer a serious Dna genealogist I have been dabbling in this DNA exercise for a little while, Ancestry may have a huge database of participants but it is very restrictive with what you can do with your own data. You cant even export the list of matches. You have to keep up your membership to explore your matches. And the struggle to make 5mL of spit is too much for many people. A friend went through this process which she had found difficult only to be advised her kit was un-testable, she has since submitted to FTDNA. My twin sister did the ancestry test, she scored about 400 matches, my brother did the simpler FTDNA test, he has come back with thousands! And his test can be upgraded at cost to do the YDNA and mtDNA(this isnt worth the money), a male test in ancestry is only autosomal. We uploaded my sisters ancestry results to FTDNA at no cost, ancestry doesnt do this service. Kind Regards Cheryl Today's Topics:   1. Re: More FTDNA exploits (Patricia Braden)   2. Re: More FTDNA exploits (Anne Sterling)   3. Re: More FTDNA exploits (Eilish Gmail) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2018 08:42:04 +1000 From: Patricia Braden <bradenfamily@optusnet.com.au> Subject: FERMANAGH-GOLD -Re: More FTDNA exploits To: 'This list is for those researching their ancestors in Fermanagh     and surrounding counties in Ireland' <fermanagh-gold@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <001f01d40d9e$e78e8d20$b6aba760$@optusnet.com.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Totally agree Shirley.  (Other than their possible PayPal problems) I believe they are the most professional / legitimate company.  And I too have worried about them being put out of business by the "big guy". Pat -----Original Message----- From: Shirley Smith [mailto:salsmith1952@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, 27 June 2018 12:47 AM To: This list is for those researching their ancestors in Fermanagh and surrounding counties in Ireland <fermanagh-gold@rootsweb.com> Subject: FERMANAGH-GOLD -Re: More FTDNA exploits Hi, Eilish, I have had the best experiences with familytreedna for several years and multiple tests.  I think they really are the best, most scientific company and am worried ancestrydna (which doesn't even test mtDNA and yDNA) will put them out of business because ancestrydna is huge and spends so much on advertising.  I hope others on this list will consider using familytreedna.com.  Shirley On Mon, Jun 25, 2018 at 9:08 PM, Eilish Gmail <eilish7@gmail.com> wrote: > Exactly! > > > On 26/06/2018 10:52 AM, Carl Maguire wrote: > >> I wouldn't be at all surprised if they monitor this list, nor would I >> be surprised if they have an employee searching her/his Fermanagh >> roots and subscribing to FG.  I think we represent a pretty sizeable customer base. >> Just a thought... >> Carl >> >> On 2018-06-25, at 5:26 PM, Eilish Gmail wrote: >> >> Morning Listers, >>> >>> Well, well, well. Because of my rant yesterday about my >>> misadventures with FTDNA, I have now received an email from FTDNA >>> because somebody on the forum allegedly forwarded my post to them. >>> >>> I now have an apology over the incident and an offer to send two >>> free tests. But nobody signed this email, although they are using >>> the same reference number used during the ongoing debacle. So I >>> don't know who I am talking to, although they make reference to the >>> two people who were mishandling this case. So, Mr/Ms Nobody has apologised. >>> >>> Now, who could have reported this, or alternatively, *who is >>> **watching**this list?* If I'd posted my frustrations months ago, I >>> may not have had to endure the inept customer service that FTDNA >>> provide to their Paypal customers. And they have access to my full >>> post because they know I have a Y-DNA kit.>>> >>> Curiouser and Curiouser! >>> >>> Eilish >>> >> ____________________________________

HI Anne and Pat, I chose FTDNA for the same reasons. And the world does not need an Ancestry monopoly. Eilish On 27/06/2018 8:58 AM, Anne Sterling wrote: > I agree with Shirley. I have tested with ftdna, Ancestry, and 23andme. Many who test on Ancestry have no idea how to interpret results. They just want to see the pie chart. There are charts available to help you know the range of centimorgans for e.g. first cousin etc. Centimorgans are the basic unit for matching. A parent and child match for about 3380 centimorgans, for example. Again, look for a You Tube video to explain the basics. > More of us Fermanagh people can connect if we all test. I have connected with some 2nd cousins on each of the three tests. However, people testing on Ancestry for the most part are not going beyond just looking at the pie chart. > > Anne in Ottawa > > From: Patricia Braden > Sent: June 26, 2018 6:42 PM > To: 'This list is for those researching their ancestors in Fermanagh and surrounding counties in Ireland' > Subject: FERMANAGH-GOLD -Re: More FTDNA exploits > > Totally agree Shirley. > > (Other than their possible PayPal problems) I believe they are the most > professional / legitimate company. And I too have worried about them being > put out of business by the "big guy". > > Pat > > -----Original Message----- > From: Shirley Smith [mailto:salsmith1952@gmail.com] > Sent: Wednesday, 27 June 2018 12:47 AM > To: This list is for those researching their ancestors in Fermanagh and > surrounding counties in Ireland <fermanagh-gold@rootsweb.com> > Subject: FERMANAGH-GOLD -Re: More FTDNA exploits > > Hi, Eilish, I have had the best experiences with familytreedna for several > years and multiple tests. I think they really are the best, most scientific > company and am worried ancestrydna (which doesn't even test mtDNA and yDNA) > will put them out of business because ancestrydna is huge and spends so much > on advertising. I hope others on this list will consider using > familytreedna.com. Shirley > > On Mon, Jun 25, 2018 at 9:08 PM, Eilish Gmail <eilish7@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Exactly! >> >> >> On 26/06/2018 10:52 AM, Carl Maguire wrote: >> >>> I wouldn't be at all surprised if they monitor this list, nor would I >>> be surprised if they have an employee searching her/his Fermanagh >>> roots and subscribing to FG. I think we represent a pretty sizeable > customer base. >>> Just a thought... >>> Carl >>>

I agree with Shirley. I have tested with ftdna, Ancestry, and 23andme. Many who test on Ancestry have no idea how to interpret results. They just want to see the pie chart. There are charts available to help you know the range of centimorgans for e.g. first cousin etc. Centimorgans are the basic unit for matching. A parent and child match for about 3380 centimorgans, for example. Again, look for a You Tube video to explain the basics. More of us Fermanagh people can connect if we all test. I have connected with some 2nd cousins on each of the three tests. However, people testing on Ancestry for the most part are not going beyond just looking at the pie chart. Anne in Ottawa From: Patricia Braden Sent: June 26, 2018 6:42 PM To: 'This list is for those researching their ancestors in Fermanagh and surrounding counties in Ireland' Subject: FERMANAGH-GOLD -Re: More FTDNA exploits Totally agree Shirley. (Other than their possible PayPal problems) I believe they are the most professional / legitimate company. And I too have worried about them being put out of business by the "big guy". Pat -----Original Message----- From: Shirley Smith [mailto:salsmith1952@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, 27 June 2018 12:47 AM To: This list is for those researching their ancestors in Fermanagh and surrounding counties in Ireland <fermanagh-gold@rootsweb.com> Subject: FERMANAGH-GOLD -Re: More FTDNA exploits Hi, Eilish, I have had the best experiences with familytreedna for several years and multiple tests. I think they really are the best, most scientific company and am worried ancestrydna (which doesn't even test mtDNA and yDNA) will put them out of business because ancestrydna is huge and spends so much on advertising. I hope others on this list will consider using familytreedna.com. Shirley On Mon, Jun 25, 2018 at 9:08 PM, Eilish Gmail <eilish7@gmail.com> wrote: > Exactly! > > > On 26/06/2018 10:52 AM, Carl Maguire wrote: > >> I wouldn't be at all surprised if they monitor this list, nor would I >> be surprised if they have an employee searching her/his Fermanagh >> roots and subscribing to FG. I think we represent a pretty sizeable customer base. >> Just a thought... >> Carl >> >> On 2018-06-25, at 5:26 PM, Eilish Gmail wrote: >> >> Morning Listers, >>> >>> Well, well, well. Because of my rant yesterday about my >>> misadventures with FTDNA, I have now received an email from FTDNA >>> because somebody on the forum allegedly forwarded my post to them. >>> >>> I now have an apology over the incident and an offer to send two >>> free tests. But nobody signed this email, although they are using >>> the same reference number used during the ongoing debacle. So I >>> don't know who I am talking to, although they make reference to the >>> two people who were mishandling this case. So, Mr/Ms Nobody has apologised. >>> >>> Now, who could have reported this, or alternatively, *who is >>> **watching**this list?* If I'd posted my frustrations months ago, I >>> may not have had to endure the inept customer service that FTDNA >>> provide to their Paypal customers. 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Totally agree Shirley. (Other than their possible PayPal problems) I believe they are the most professional / legitimate company. And I too have worried about them being put out of business by the "big guy". Pat -----Original Message----- From: Shirley Smith [mailto:salsmith1952@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, 27 June 2018 12:47 AM To: This list is for those researching their ancestors in Fermanagh and surrounding counties in Ireland <fermanagh-gold@rootsweb.com> Subject: FERMANAGH-GOLD -Re: More FTDNA exploits Hi, Eilish, I have had the best experiences with familytreedna for several years and multiple tests. I think they really are the best, most scientific company and am worried ancestrydna (which doesn't even test mtDNA and yDNA) will put them out of business because ancestrydna is huge and spends so much on advertising. I hope others on this list will consider using familytreedna.com. Shirley On Mon, Jun 25, 2018 at 9:08 PM, Eilish Gmail <eilish7@gmail.com> wrote: > Exactly! > > > On 26/06/2018 10:52 AM, Carl Maguire wrote: > >> I wouldn't be at all surprised if they monitor this list, nor would I >> be surprised if they have an employee searching her/his Fermanagh >> roots and subscribing to FG. I think we represent a pretty sizeable customer base. >> Just a thought... >> Carl >> >> On 2018-06-25, at 5:26 PM, Eilish Gmail wrote: >> >> Morning Listers, >>> >>> Well, well, well. Because of my rant yesterday about my >>> misadventures with FTDNA, I have now received an email from FTDNA >>> because somebody on the forum allegedly forwarded my post to them. >>> >>> I now have an apology over the incident and an offer to send two >>> free tests. But nobody signed this email, although they are using >>> the same reference number used during the ongoing debacle. So I >>> don't know who I am talking to, although they make reference to the >>> two people who were mishandling this case. So, Mr/Ms Nobody has apologised. >>> >>> Now, who could have reported this, or alternatively, *who is >>> **watching**this list?* If I'd posted my frustrations months ago, I >>> may not have had to endure the inept customer service that FTDNA >>> provide to their Paypal customers. And they have access to my full >>> post because they know I have a Y-DNA kit. >>> >>> Curiouser and Curiouser! >>> >>> Eilish >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref >> >> Unsubscribe >> https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/postorius/lists/fermanag >> h-gold@rootsweb.com/ >> >> Archives: >> https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/hyperkitty/list/fermanag >> h-gold@rootsweb.com/ >> >> Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: >> https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 >> >> RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal >> RootsWeb community >> >> > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > > Unsubscribe > https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/postorius/lists/fermanag > h-gold@rootsweb.com/ > > Archives: https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/hyperkitty/list/fermanag > h-gold@rootsweb.com/ > > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal > RootsWeb community > > _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/postorius/lists/fermanagh-gold@rootsweb. com/ Archives: https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/hyperkitty/list/fermanagh-gold@rootsweb. com/ Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus

Sorry my original post bounced! ________________________________ From: Ulster Ancestry <ulsterancestry@hotmail.com> Subject: FERMANAGH-GOLD -Re: DNA bunkam says expert Ancestry websites that tell you if you're a viking are 'complete bunkum', says expert in ancient DNA https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/06/25/ancestry-websites-tell-viking-complete-bunkum-says-expert-ancient/?WT.mc_id=tmg_share_em [https://www.telegraph.co.uk/content/dam/news/2018/06/25/ancestry-xlarge_trans_NvBQzQNjv4Bqeo_i_u9APj8RuoebjoAHt0k9u7HhRJvuo-ZLenGRumA.jpg]<https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/06/25/ancestry-websites-tell-viking-complete-bunkum-says-expert-ancient/?WT.mc_id=tmg_share_em> Ancestry websites that tell you if you're a viking are 'complete bunkum', says expert in ancient DNA<https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/06/25/ancestry-websites-tell-viking-complete-bunkum-says-expert-ancient/?WT.mc_id=tmg_share_em> www.telegraph.co.uk<http://www.telegraph.co.uk> Ancestry companies who say they can link you back to the Vikings is &ldquo;complete bunkum&rdquo;, according to a scientist who worked on the DNA of Cheddar Man. On Sun, Jun 24, 2018 at 6:59 PM, Bonnie Anderson <bmacheson@gmail.com> wrote: > Family Finder is autosomal DNA. Mt DNA and Y DNA can also be ordered on > FTDNA. > > Bonnie in Kitchener > > On Wed, Jun 20, 2018 at 10:29 PM, Carl Maguire <cmaguire@northwestel.net> > wrote: > > > To clarify: > > > > What is the "Family Finder" on FTDNA? Autosomal or Mtdna? I bought into > > that too, and have found a couple of 4th cousins confirmed, and another > > couple that we have not confirmed yet. > > >

We currently have 465+ subscribers to Fermanagh-Gold.!!! Slán, Marge in Southern California Searching: Golden, Sullivan, Kelly, Shea, O'Connor in Kerry and Connecticut Fee, Cassidy, Gilbride in Fermanagh, Cavan and Connecticut Lynch in Kildare, Limerick and Connecticut Walsh, Stackpole, Garry, Donovan, Doyle, Clowney/Clooney, King in Kildare ----- On Jun 25, 2018, at 5:52 PM, Carl Maguire <cmaguire@northwestel.net> wrote: > I wouldn't be at all surprised if they monitor this list, nor would I be > surprised if they have an employee searching her/his Fermanagh roots and > subscribing to FG. I think we represent a pretty sizeable customer base. > Just a thought... > Carl > On 2018-06-25, at 5:26 PM, Eilish Gmail wrote: > > Morning Listers, >> Well, well, well. Because of my rant yesterday about my misadventures with >> FTDNA, I have now received an email from FTDNA because somebody on the forum > > allegedly forwarded my post to them. >> I now have an apology over the incident and an offer to send two free tests. But >> nobody signed this email, although they are using the same reference number >> used during the ongoing debacle. So I don't know who I am talking to, although >> they make reference to the two people who were mishandling this case. So, Mr/Ms > > Nobody has apologised. >> Now, who could have reported this, or alternatively, *who is **watching**this >> list?* If I'd posted my frustrations months ago, I may not have had to endure >> the inept customer service that FTDNA provide to their Paypal customers. And > > they have access to my full post because they know I have a Y-DNA kit. > > Curiouser and Curiouser! > > Eilish > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe > https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/postorius/lists/fermanagh-gold@rootsweb.com/ > Archives: > https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/hyperkitty/list/fermanagh-gold@rootsweb.com/ > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > community

Ancestry websites that tell you if you're a viking are 'complete bunkum', says expert in ancient DNA https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/06/25/ancestry-websites-tell-viking-complete-bunkum-says-expert-ancient/?WT.mc_id=tmg_share_em [https://www.telegraph.co.uk/content/dam/news/2018/06/25/ancestry-xlarge_trans_NvBQzQNjv4Bqeo_i_u9APj8RuoebjoAHt0k9u7HhRJvuo-ZLenGRumA.jpg]<https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/06/25/ancestry-websites-tell-viking-complete-bunkum-says-expert-ancient/?WT.mc_id=tmg_share_em> Ancestry websites that tell you if you're a viking are 'complete bunkum', says expert in ancient DNA<https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/06/25/ancestry-websites-tell-viking-complete-bunkum-says-expert-ancient/?WT.mc_id=tmg_share_em> www.telegraph.co.uk Ancestry companies who say they can link you back to the Vikings is &ldquo;complete bunkum&rdquo;, according to a scientist who worked on the DNA of Cheddar Man. Sent from Outlook<http://aka.ms/weboutlook> ________________________________ From: Shirley Smith <salsmith1952@gmail.com> Sent: 25 June 2018 00:23 To: This list is for those researching their ancestors in Fermanagh and surrounding counties in Ireland Subject: FERMANAGH-GOLD -Re: Autosomal, Mt, or Y DNa FamilyFinder is the term familytreedna uses for its test of the autosomal DNA, the first 22 chromosomes. Others test the autosomal DNA but they call their test something else. Shirley On Sun, Jun 24, 2018 at 6:59 PM, Bonnie Anderson <bmacheson@gmail.com> wrote: > Family Finder is autosomal DNA. Mt DNA and Y DNA can also be ordered on > FTDNA. > > Bonnie in Kitchener > > On Wed, Jun 20, 2018 at 10:29 PM, Carl Maguire <cmaguire@northwestel.net> > wrote: > > > To clarify: > > > > What is the "Family Finder" on FTDNA? Autosomal or Mtdna? I bought into > > that too, and have found a couple of 4th cousins confirmed, and another > > couple that we have not confirmed yet. > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/postorius/lists/ > fermanagh-gold@rootsweb.com/ > > Archives: https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/hyperkitty/list/ > fermanagh-gold@rootsweb.com/ > > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > community > > _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/postorius/lists/fermanagh-gold@rootsweb.com/ Archives: https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/hyperkitty/list/fermanagh-gold@rootsweb.com/ Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

Hi, Eilish, I have had the best experiences with familytreedna for several years and multiple tests. I think they really are the best, most scientific company and am worried ancestrydna (which doesn't even test mtDNA and yDNA) will put them out of business because ancestrydna is huge and spends so much on advertising. I hope others on this list will consider using familytreedna.com. Shirley On Mon, Jun 25, 2018 at 9:08 PM, Eilish Gmail <eilish7@gmail.com> wrote: > Exactly! > > > On 26/06/2018 10:52 AM, Carl Maguire wrote: > >> I wouldn't be at all surprised if they monitor this list, nor would I be >> surprised if they have an employee searching her/his Fermanagh roots and >> subscribing to FG. I think we represent a pretty sizeable customer base. >> Just a thought... >> Carl >> >> On 2018-06-25, at 5:26 PM, Eilish Gmail wrote: >> >> Morning Listers, >>> >>> Well, well, well. Because of my rant yesterday about my misadventures >>> with FTDNA, I have now received an email from FTDNA because somebody on the >>> forum allegedly forwarded my post to them. >>> >>> I now have an apology over the incident and an offer to send two free >>> tests. But nobody signed this email, although they are using the same >>> reference number used during the ongoing debacle. So I don't know who I am >>> talking to, although they make reference to the two people who were >>> mishandling this case. So, Mr/Ms Nobody has apologised. >>> >>> Now, who could have reported this, or alternatively, *who is >>> **watching**this list?* If I'd posted my frustrations months ago, I may not >>> have had to endure the inept customer service that FTDNA provide to their >>> Paypal customers. And they have access to my full post because they know I >>> have a Y-DNA kit. >>> >>> Curiouser and Curiouser! >>> >>> Eilish >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref >> >> Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/postorius/lists/fermanag >> h-gold@rootsweb.com/ >> >> Archives: https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/hyperkitty/list/fermanag >> h-gold@rootsweb.com/ >> >> Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: >> https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 >> >> RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb >> community >> >> > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/postorius/lists/fermanag > h-gold@rootsweb.com/ > > Archives: https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/hyperkitty/list/fermanag > h-gold@rootsweb.com/ > > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > community > >

Exactly! On 26/06/2018 10:52 AM, Carl Maguire wrote: > I wouldn't be at all surprised if they monitor this list, nor would I be surprised if they have an employee searching her/his Fermanagh roots and subscribing to FG. I think we represent a pretty sizeable customer base. > Just a thought... > Carl > > On 2018-06-25, at 5:26 PM, Eilish Gmail wrote: > >> Morning Listers, >> >> Well, well, well. Because of my rant yesterday about my misadventures with FTDNA, I have now received an email from FTDNA because somebody on the forum allegedly forwarded my post to them. >> >> I now have an apology over the incident and an offer to send two free tests. But nobody signed this email, although they are using the same reference number used during the ongoing debacle. So I don't know who I am talking to, although they make reference to the two people who were mishandling this case. So, Mr/Ms Nobody has apologised. >> >> Now, who could have reported this, or alternatively, *who is **watching**this list?* If I'd posted my frustrations months ago, I may not have had to endure the inept customer service that FTDNA provide to their Paypal customers. And they have access to my full post because they know I have a Y-DNA kit. >> >> Curiouser and Curiouser! >> >> Eilish > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/postorius/lists/fermanagh-gold@rootsweb.com/ > > Archives: https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/hyperkitty/list/fermanagh-gold@rootsweb.com/ > > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community >

Hi Jerry, While I am aware that many people are happy with their FTDNA experience, my purpose in writing was primarily to alert anyone contemplating using Paypal that problems will occur. I am not the only one who has had problems with FTDNA and their alleged Paypal facility. Also today's post was to alert people that their personal information is likely being read. It was intended as a FG community service if using Paypal. There is heaps of documentation about FTDNA and paying by Paypal on other sites, which I found out too late. Yes, it's back to Fermanagh ancestors. What families are you looking for, Jasper? Eilish On 26/06/2018 10:35 AM, Jerry Jasper wrote: > Please, I have had a great experience with FTDNA. That said, it is not the > purpose of this forum to bash some entity that you were not pleased with. > Let's get back to Fermanagh and our ancestors! > > > > > > > > > > > >

I wouldn't be at all surprised if they monitor this list, nor would I be surprised if they have an employee searching her/his Fermanagh roots and subscribing to FG. I think we represent a pretty sizeable customer base. Just a thought... Carl On 2018-06-25, at 5:26 PM, Eilish Gmail wrote: > Morning Listers, > > Well, well, well. Because of my rant yesterday about my misadventures with FTDNA, I have now received an email from FTDNA because somebody on the forum allegedly forwarded my post to them. > > I now have an apology over the incident and an offer to send two free tests. But nobody signed this email, although they are using the same reference number used during the ongoing debacle. So I don't know who I am talking to, although they make reference to the two people who were mishandling this case. So, Mr/Ms Nobody has apologised. > > Now, who could have reported this, or alternatively, *who is **watching**this list?* If I'd posted my frustrations months ago, I may not have had to endure the inept customer service that FTDNA provide to their Paypal customers. And they have access to my full post because they know I have a Y-DNA kit. > > Curiouser and Curiouser! > > Eilish