Talked to one of our VERY knowledgeable DNA experts yesterday at the SCGS (Jamboree) library. She explained that X is VERY rare and comes from the north but appears all over the place - native Americans is one place that it shows up. My mother-in-law was a blue-eyed Italian with fair skin whose parents came from Asti in the Italian Alps region. BUT at least you have had some matches - I have gotten NONE on her in four years! Slán, Marge in Southern California Searching: Golden, Sullivan, Kelly, Shea, O'Connor in Kerry and Connecticut Fee, Cassidy, Gilbride in Fermanagh, Cavan and Connecticut Lynch in Kildare, Limerick and Connecticut Walsh, Stackpole, Garry, Donovan, Doyle, Clowney/Clooney, King in Kildare ----- On Jun 28, 2018, at 7:28 AM, <ehaggarty@cogeco.ca> wrote: > My results from FTDNA were hardly posted and I got an enquiry re > Pocahontas - no - all from Scotland and Ireland. Two others I have been in > contact with, but I got them back further, but nothing before 1800, one in > US and the other here in Canada. I checked yesterday and a few more there > with the genetic distance of 0 - have not contacted them yet. > Eleanor > P.S. There is a sight you can join for X > -----Original Message----- > From: Marge in SoCal > Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2018 9:45 AM > To: fermanagh-gold > Subject: FERMANAGH-GOLD -Re: Norse/Viking DNA > Eleanor, > Very interesting, I had my husband test so that I would have his mother's > Dna. She was an X and I have never gotten a match - in four years!!! > Slán, > Marge in Southern California > Searching: > Golden, Sullivan, Kelly, Shea, O'Connor in Kerry and Connecticut > Fee, Cassidy, Gilbride in Fermanagh, Cavan and Connecticut > Lynch in Kildare, Limerick and Connecticut > Walsh, Stackpole, Garry, Donovan, Doyle, Clowney/Clooney, King in Kildare > ----- On Jun 27, 2018, at 10:44 AM, <ehaggarty@cogeco.ca> wrote: > > My Viking roots go back to mt DNA X which is rare. > > Copy > > Haplogroups I and X are each found in only 1&#37; of the modern European > > population. Haplogroup I has been found in over 10% of the bodies in > > tested > > from Viking cemeteries. Other studies also found mtDNA haplogroup X in > > Anglo-Saxon skeletons, suggesting a possible Germanic origin. > > I can only go back to about 1770 to Rogart, Sutherland, Scotland. > > Eleanor > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Shirley Smith > > Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2018 11:29 AM > > To: This list is for those researching their ancestors in Fermanagh and > > surrounding counties in Ireland > > Subject: FERMANAGH-GOLD -Norse/Viking DNA > > If you google Norse and Viking DNA, it appears that R1a is their > > Haplogroup. My male family members are all J1 or R1b. > > Shirley > > _______________________________________________ > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe > https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/postorius/lists/fermanagh-gold@rootsweb.com/ > Archives: > https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/hyperkitty/list/fermanagh-gold@rootsweb.com/ > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > community > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe > https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/postorius/lists/fermanagh-gold@rootsweb.com/ > Archives: > https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/hyperkitty/list/fermanagh-gold@rootsweb.com/ > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > community

> https://www.townlands.ie/ > > It shows 3 townlands called Drumduff in Fermanagh! > Joan Thanks Joan, this 1755 Crozier was in the townland of Drumduff, in the Parish of Derryvullan North, about 3 mls/6kms. n/e of Irvinestouwn. Carole. >

Just in case you have not come across it. There is a great website for locating any townland, sub townland, civil parish etc. in Ireland, includes maps and links to the Griffith Valuation. https://www.townlands.ie/ It shows 3 townlands called Drumduff in Fermanagh! Joan -----Original Message----- From: carell <carell@bigpond.com> Sent: 29 June 2018 00:42 To: Janet Cassidy via <fermanagh-gold@rootsweb.com> Subject: FERMANAGH-GOLD -Re: Crozier - Drumduff 1755 I think that was one heck of a dowry! > I think that Drumduff is in the Irvinestown area. But I'll check the Atlas for it. > Wakened with a streaming nose and eyes yesterday am, so will not be researching today. > Viola Vi, hope you’re feeling better this morning. If you lived ‘down under’ I’d say stay in bed and keep warm. Take care, Carole - OZ > _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/postorius/lists/fermanagh-gold@rootsweb.com/ Archives: https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/hyperkitty/list/fermanagh-gold@rootsweb.com/ Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

To Viola and other Crozier researchers on the list, I don’t know if this Crozier information will link to your Fermanagh families, but Pia has kindly sent me the following information from Family Search….. A Memorial (Marriage agreement) dated the 14th August 1755 and registered 4th March 1757, at Enniskillen, lists a Catherine Crozier, daughter of William Crozier of Drumbo and a Thomas Elliot son of James Elliot of Drumduff. Catherine Crozier’s portion/dowry listed as,10 cows in calf and a mare in foal at May next (1756). (Was May 1756 the date of the marriage, or was the marriage just before 4th March 1757?) Thomas Elliot’s portion or dowry appears to have been a quarter of the land of Drumduff with the house gardens with all other edifices. The said land then leased by a James Crozier. Other Fermanagh names listed in the Memorial were -: Charles Irvine, Ballindullagh, John Hetherington of Drumacalara, John Betty of Tullycalrick and John Johnston of the City of Dublin, Gent. I haven’t been able to link the Drumduff Elliott family to my Irvinestown Elliott family. They only lived about three miles apart in Fermanagh, but both Elliot families lived after immigration, in Broughton Village near Gerringong in NSW. Here they both attended the same local school, which because of a similar naming pattern was confusing. Carole Elliott.

I think that was one heck of a dowry! > I think that Drumduff is in the Irvinestown area. But I'll check the Atlas for it. > Wakened with a streaming nose and eyes yesterday am, so will not be researching today. > Viola Vi, hope you’re feeling better this morning. If you lived ‘down under’ I’d say stay in bed and keep warm. Take care, Carole - OZ >

Carl - don't spoil my fun - I enjoy telling cousins I am a Viking. I know no one can prove it. I have a lot from the Scandinavian Countries, especially Sweden - only one man contacted me - and of course no records that go back very far. He did help me with a Swedish woman that went to the US and married a cousin of mine. His wife looked in some book they have and found her birth and parents names - parents unmarried. Even if I had found the article wouldn't be able to read Swedish. Eleanor -----Original Message----- From: Carl Maguire Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2018 2:14 PM To: This list is for those researching their ancestors in Fermanagh and surrounding counties in Ireland Subject: FERMANAGH-GOLD -Norse vs Viking Not to rain on anyone's parade: all Vikings were Norse people, but not all Norse were Vikings. If you were a Norse person in Dublin or L'Anse Aux Meadows Newfoundland in the 9th century or some Norse colony like that, you might be a Viking. Its just marketing folks. Carl _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/postorius/lists/fermanagh-gold@rootsweb.com/ Archives: https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/hyperkitty/list/fermanagh-gold@rootsweb.com/ Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

Religion would be important. I don't see anyone in the Mullaghdun C of I registers, but like Vi says, they were likely married in Susannah's church which might not be anywhere near Mullaghdun. What are the chances of her giving birth at age 57? Carl On 2018-06-28, at 11:35 AM, JEREMY Fallis wrote: > >> Hello, I just came across a James Fallis b. 1776, who was from Mullaghdun, Fermanagh and married Susannah Newey (b. 1764) from Fermanagh> about 1790. Their last child listed in a family tree was Elizabeth, born 1821, Fermanagh. Both James and Susannah died in Ontario, Canada. I was looking for any records of their marriage. No Fallis or Follis known from Mullaghdun. Any help is surely appreciated.. > Jeremy Fallis *********************************************** > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/postorius/lists/fermanagh-gold@rootsweb.com/ > > Archives: https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/hyperkitty/list/fermanagh-gold@rootsweb.com/ > > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

>Hello, I just came across a James Fallis b. 1776, who was from Mullaghdun, Fermanagh and married Susannah Newey (b. 1764) from Fermanagh> about 1790. Their last child listed in a family tree was Elizabeth, born 1821, Fermanagh. Both James and Susannah died in Ontario, Canada. I was looking for any records of their marriage. No Fallis or Follis known from Mullaghdun. Any help is surely appreciated.. Jeremy Fallis ***********************************************

Not to rain on anyone's parade: all Vikings were Norse people, but not all Norse were Vikings. If you were a Norse person in Dublin or L'Anse Aux Meadows Newfoundland in the 9th century or some Norse colony like that, you might be a Viking. Its just marketing folks. Carl

Hello again: I have come up on both sides with a cousin at 2nd to 4th level. Only problem – it is my ex. We come from different parts of Ontario – he from east, me from west. Can’t figure out how. His mother was a McColl, mine a McKellar, same part of Argyll. People smarter than me can’t figure it out either. Just when I think a connection a road block appears. Eleanor

I have been following the DNA chat with interest. Family Tree YDNA and MtDNA matches have produced a few successful finds for me but I am disappointed that my MtDNA link with the Irish Ancestry Project has yielded nothing. I had hoped it would help us Golders link up some of our maternal ancestors for whom we have no surnames. For the record I am Group T2e1a and trying to get beyond my known LAWSON/JONES great grannies in Drumkeeran. My sister did an Ancestry DNA test a few months ago and she has had a few hundred matches. I was sceptical at first of how the clever computers were matching surnames but none of our data is on line and yet we have found several correct links. The process has been helped by having done a lot of research and having a lengthy list of surnames on my trees. The reward has been confirmation in a few cases of data that had previously been ?possible and is now ‘very likely’ if not yet proven! The DNA connections are fascinating and frequently zigzag between male and female ancestors going back over 300-400 years. A high number of our matches are with descendants of the early settlers in the Eastern States of the USA - a number of names on my tree come up frequently, eg JONES/BARTON/WILSON/ARMSTRONG/HARRIS/REID/STEWART/WHEELER. Usually the settler dates are too early for me to make a connection but I am finding the process endlessly fascinating (albeit frustrating at times) and I now feel I am getting some benefit from my Ancestry membership. But basic, painstaking research is still needed to get the best out of the various systems plus an enthusiastic researcher on the other end of the investigatory loop!

Thanks Viola! I am planning a trip to Roslea in late July to meet up with a family contact and do some further looking at the McAloons in the churchyard and to locate where the family farms were. Through my ancestry tree I have contacted a McAloon family in Northampton who are related to me, and I am going to encourage them to join up to Fermanagh Gold! Joan -----Original Message----- From: Viola Wiggins <vmaw3434@gmail.com> Sent: 16 June 2018 12:43 To: This list is for those researching their ancestors in Fermanagh and surrounding counties in Ireland <fermanagh-gold@rootsweb.com> Subject: FERMANAGH-GOLD -Re: McAloon Joan The Tiler who worked on this house was a McAloon and his Cousin. Both had a brouge from the Roslea area. Actually there's a G McAloon, Coragunt, in the phone book. Viola Sent from my iPad > On 16 Jun 2018, at 11:10, Joan Bailey <Joan.Bailey@bbb.ie> wrote: > _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/postorius/lists/fermanagh-gold@rootsweb. com/ Archives: https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/hyperkitty/list/fermanagh-gold@rootsweb. com/ Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

My results from FTDNA were hardly posted and I got an enquiry re Pocahontas - no - all from Scotland and Ireland. Two others I have been in contact with, but I got them back further, but nothing before 1800, one in US and the other here in Canada. I checked yesterday and a few more there with the genetic distance of 0 - have not contacted them yet. Eleanor P.S. There is a sight you can join for X -----Original Message----- From: Marge in SoCal Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2018 9:45 AM To: fermanagh-gold Subject: FERMANAGH-GOLD -Re: Norse/Viking DNA Eleanor, Very interesting, I had my husband test so that I would have his mother's Dna. She was an X and I have never gotten a match - in four years!!! Slán, Marge in Southern California Searching: Golden, Sullivan, Kelly, Shea, O'Connor in Kerry and Connecticut Fee, Cassidy, Gilbride in Fermanagh, Cavan and Connecticut Lynch in Kildare, Limerick and Connecticut Walsh, Stackpole, Garry, Donovan, Doyle, Clowney/Clooney, King in Kildare ----- On Jun 27, 2018, at 10:44 AM, <ehaggarty@cogeco.ca> wrote: > My Viking roots go back to mt DNA X which is rare. > Copy > Haplogroups I and X are each found in only 1&#37; of the modern European > population. Haplogroup I has been found in over 10% of the bodies in > tested > from Viking cemeteries. Other studies also found mtDNA haplogroup X in > Anglo-Saxon skeletons, suggesting a possible Germanic origin. > I can only go back to about 1770 to Rogart, Sutherland, Scotland. > Eleanor > -----Original Message----- > From: Shirley Smith > Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2018 11:29 AM > To: This list is for those researching their ancestors in Fermanagh and > surrounding counties in Ireland > Subject: FERMANAGH-GOLD -Norse/Viking DNA > If you google Norse and Viking DNA, it appears that R1a is their > Haplogroup. My male family members are all J1 or R1b. > Shirley > _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/postorius/lists/fermanagh-gold@rootsweb.com/ Archives: https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/hyperkitty/list/fermanagh-gold@rootsweb.com/ Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

Eleanor, Very interesting, I had my husband test so that I would have his mother's Dna. She was an X and I have never gotten a match - in four years!!! Slán, Marge in Southern California Searching: Golden, Sullivan, Kelly, Shea, O'Connor in Kerry and Connecticut Fee, Cassidy, Gilbride in Fermanagh, Cavan and Connecticut Lynch in Kildare, Limerick and Connecticut Walsh, Stackpole, Garry, Donovan, Doyle, Clowney/Clooney, King in Kildare ----- On Jun 27, 2018, at 10:44 AM, <ehaggarty@cogeco.ca> wrote: > My Viking roots go back to mt DNA X which is rare. > Copy > Haplogroups I and X are each found in only 1&#37; of the modern European > population. Haplogroup I has been found in over 10% of the bodies in tested > from Viking cemeteries. Other studies also found mtDNA haplogroup X in > Anglo-Saxon skeletons, suggesting a possible Germanic origin. > I can only go back to about 1770 to Rogart, Sutherland, Scotland. > Eleanor > -----Original Message----- > From: Shirley Smith > Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2018 11:29 AM > To: This list is for those researching their ancestors in Fermanagh and > surrounding counties in Ireland > Subject: FERMANAGH-GOLD -Norse/Viking DNA > If you google Norse and Viking DNA, it appears that R1a is their > Haplogroup. My male family members are all J1 or R1b. > Shirley > _______________________________________________

Carell, I think that was one heck of a dowry! I think that Drumduff is in the Irvinestown area. But I'll check the Atlas for it. Wakened with a streaming nose and eyes yesterday am, so will not be researching today. Viola Sent from my iPad > On 28 Jun 2018, at 07:35, carell <carell@bigpond.com> wrote: > > To Viola and other Crozier researchers on the list, I don’t know if this Crozier information > will link to your Fermanagh families, but Pia has kindly sent me the following information > from Family Search….. > > A Memorial (Marriage agreement) dated the 14th August 1755 and registered 4th March 1757, > at Enniskillen, lists a Catherine Crozier, daughter of William Crozier of Drumbo and a Thomas Elliot > son of James Elliot of Drumduff. > > Catherine Crozier’s portion/dowry listed as,10 cows in calf and a mare in foal at May next (1756). > (Was May 1756 the date of the marriage, or was the marriage just before 4th March 1757?) > Thomas Elliot’s portion or dowry appears to have been a quarter of the land of Drumduff with the > house gardens with all other edifices. The said land then leased by a James Crozier. > > Other Fermanagh names listed in the Memorial were -: Charles Irvine, Ballindullagh, John Hetherington > of Drumacalara, John Betty of Tullycalrick and John Johnston of the City of Dublin, Gent. > > I haven’t been able to link the Drumduff Elliott family to my Irvinestown Elliott family. > They only lived about three miles apart in Fermanagh, but both Elliot families lived after immigration, > in Broughton Village near Gerringong in NSW. Here they both attended the same local school, which > because of a similar naming pattern was confusing. > > Carole Elliott. > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/postorius/lists/fermanagh-gold@rootsweb.com/ > > Archives: https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/hyperkitty/list/fermanagh-gold@rootsweb.com/ > > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

To Viola and other Crozier researchers on the list, I don’t know if this Crozier information will link to your Fermanagh families, but Pia has kindly sent me the following information from Family Search….. A Memorial (Marriage agreement) dated the 14th August 1755 and registered 4th March 1757, at Enniskillen, lists a Catherine Crozier, daughter of William Crozier of Drumbo and a Thomas Elliot son of James Elliot of Drumduff. Catherine Crozier’s portion/dowry listed as,10 cows in calf and a mare in foal at May next (1756). (Was May 1756 the date of the marriage, or was the marriage just before 4th March 1757?) Thomas Elliot’s portion or dowry appears to have been a quarter of the land of Drumduff with the house gardens with all other edifices. The said land then leased by a James Crozier. Other Fermanagh names listed in the Memorial were -: Charles Irvine, Ballindullagh, John Hetherington of Drumacalara, John Betty of Tullycalrick and John Johnston of the City of Dublin, Gent. I haven’t been able to link the Drumduff Elliott family to my Irvinestown Elliott family. They only lived about three miles apart in Fermanagh, but both Elliot families lived after immigration, in Broughton Village near Gerringong in NSW. Here they both attended the same local school, which because of a similar naming pattern was confusing. Carole Elliott.

David, That is certainly 'great expectations'! :-} Dee. -----Original Message----- From: DSA2003 [mailto:dsa2003@iinet.net.au] Sent: Thursday, 28 June 2018 10:18 AM To: This list is for those researching their ancestors in Fermanagh and surrounding counties in Ireland Subject: FERMANAGH-GOLD -Re: Norse/Viking DNA Years ago (mid-90s), I was talking to an elderly lady in my local family history library who was telling me that her ancestors were from Norway originally, but so far she had only traced them back to Shetland. When I suggested to her that her ancestors had most probably arrived in Shetland with the Vikings, she promptly asked “Do they have passenger records?”. :-} Cheers David Armstrong Maylands Western Australia --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/postorius/lists/fermanagh-gold@rootsweb.com/ Archives: https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/hyperkitty/list/fermanagh-gold@rootsweb.com/ Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

Years ago (mid-90s), I was talking to an elderly lady in my local family history library who was telling me that her ancestors were from Norway originally, but so far she had only traced them back to Shetland. When I suggested to her that her ancestors had most probably arrived in Shetland with the Vikings, she promptly asked “Do they have passenger records?”. :-} Cheers David Armstrong Maylands Western Australia --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus

My Viking roots go back to mt DNA X which is rare. Copy Haplogroups I and X are each found in only 1&#37; of the modern European population. Haplogroup I has been found in over 10% of the bodies in tested from Viking cemeteries. Other studies also found mtDNA haplogroup X in Anglo-Saxon skeletons, suggesting a possible Germanic origin. I can only go back to about 1770 to Rogart, Sutherland, Scotland. Eleanor -----Original Message----- From: Shirley Smith Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2018 11:29 AM To: This list is for those researching their ancestors in Fermanagh and surrounding counties in Ireland Subject: FERMANAGH-GOLD -Norse/Viking DNA If you google Norse and Viking DNA, it appears that R1a is their Haplogroup. My male family members are all J1 or R1b. Shirley _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/postorius/lists/fermanagh-gold@rootsweb.com/ Archives: https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/hyperkitty/list/fermanagh-gold@rootsweb.com/ Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

If you google Norse and Viking DNA, it appears that R1a is their Haplogroup. My male family members are all J1 or R1b. Shirley