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    1. Re: FERMANAGH-GOLD Enniskillen, Cavan
    2. John Niemann via
    3. Hi All, To all those listers who responded to my post on this subject, thank you very much. It has been fascinating to read your thoughts and your comments have been helpful. Good old FG! One kind lister has sent my a copy of the actual register entry for Robert Armstrong's death in 1882. This tells me that: Registration No D/1882/116/1013/4/287 Date of death: 2 July 1882 Place: Drumcor Name: Robert Armstrong Widower 95 years Occupation: Miller Old age not certified no medical attendant 3 months Informant: Robert Armstrong, son, present at death, Drumcor Date (burial or registration?): 10 July 1882 Signed: Thos R Kitson? Registrar assistant Registration District: Enniskillen (pre 1973 Q4) Registration sub-district: Tempo. >From Kerry's post (and others) I learnt that the Enniskillen reg districts in 1898 are split between Cavan and Fermanagh: Cavan has Enniskillen no 2 Rural District Fermanagh has Enniskillen Urban District and Enniskillen no 1 Rural District. I am still curious as to why the Register index entry should mention Cavan as Tempo is clearly not in Cavan, but it maybe shows that it pays to search in the neighbouring counties as well as Fermanagh as a Fermanagh search may not have picked up this death. The above details have given me more to follow up, particularly as the son Robert who reported his father's death, may be also known as William and therefore my gg grandfather. My g grandfather (also) Robert (born Enniskillen 1847 died Buln Buln, Victoria, Australia 1898) has his father listed as William on his wedding certificate and Robert on his death certificate. Once again, thanks to all, John > Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2015 01:54:25 +0000 > To: fermanagh-gold@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: FERMANAGH-GOLD Enniskillen, Cavan > From: fermanagh-gold@rootsweb.com > > Indeed David! > > > If they had transcribed them there wouldn't be any problem, but they > decide to "translate" them by INCORRECTLY adding the County.. > > If they had just transcribed Lisnaskea as Lisnaskea then that would have > referred to the AREAS Lisnaskea Registry Office covered... > > they then decided to add the County where Lisnaskea is in which changes > everything because it omits the other Counties that Lisnaskea covered. > > Indeed Churches/Parishes have NOTHING to do with where the State decided > to locate THEIR State Registry Offices... > > Registry Offices are GOVERNMENT Offices! > > > > > > On 04/03/2015 00:04, DSA2003 via wrote: > > The LDS in transcribing the indexes have ADDED a county reference to their database and this is what is causing the confusion. > > > > Regards > > > > David Armstrong > > > ================================== > > https://www.google.ie/ > ================================== > http://www.irishtimes.com/ancestor/placenames/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FERMANAGH-GOLD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

    03/04/2015 08:49:32
    1. FERMANAGH-GOLD Kilskeery to America 1829.
    2. CARELL via
    3. London Standard 19 May 1829 : p.4. We are sorry to be obliged to inform our friends, that no less than six respectable Protestant families from the neighbourhood of Kilskeery, intend leaving their homes for America next week. The names of the respective families are Potter, Armstrong, Anderson, Irvine, Beatty and Montgomery - in all amounting to 30 persons - Fermanagh Reporter. Carole.

    03/04/2015 08:32:24
    1. Re: FERMANAGH-GOLD Double S
    2. Marge Rossini via
    3. Not just in Ireland either: On Tue, Mar 3, 2015 at 1:52 PM, caiside via <fermanagh-gold@rootsweb.com> wrote: > Taking the opportunity to point out a peculiarity of old script in this > scan. Note the name of the registrar in the far right column, John > Cassidy. Here's an example of a double S written to look like fs. Could > even be mistaken for ps. > > Janet C > I found the same in the U.S. Census. Slán, Marge in Southern California Searching: Golden, Sullivan, Kelly, Shea, in Kerry and Connecticut O'Connor in Kerry Fee, Cassidy, Gilbride in Fermanagh, Cavan and Connecticut Lynch in Kildare, Limerick and Connecticut Walsh, Stackpole, Garry/Garrey/McGarrey, Donovan, Doyle, Clowney/Clooney, King in Kildare

    03/04/2015 08:24:58
    1. FERMANAGH-GOLD Find My Past free weekend
    2. caiside via
    3. FMP is advertising a free weekend Mar 6--to Mar 9. Midday (GMT) to midday. Janet C

    03/04/2015 07:42:06
    1. FERMANAGH-GOLD Newspaper BDMs
    2. Ken via
    3. The South Australian Advertiser (Adelaide, SA : 1858 - 1889) Thursday 9 January 1879 p 4 CORNWALL—MCDONALD.—On the 24th December, by licence, at the Primitive Methodist Manse, Wellington-square, North Adelaide, by the Rev.J. Goodwin, William John, eldest son of Mr. William Cornwall, of Burdett-road, Dow, Middlesex, England, to Sarah, sixth daughter of Mr. Robert McDonald,of Rosawella, Fermanagh, Ireland; both of Adelaide. Horns papers please copy. South Australian Register (Adelaide, SA : 1839 - 1900) Friday 3 January 1879 p 4 MILLER — On the 20th December, at Battanga, Robert Miller, contractor, aged 46 years, formerly of County Fermanagh, Ireland. Illustrated Australian News (Melbourne, Vic. : 1876 - 1889) Wednesday 22 January 1879 p 14 TREMAINE—ELLIOTT. —On the 31st December, at the residence of the bride, Panne Bannewar, by the Rev. Thos. Adamson, Wesleyan minister, William Tremaine, of Geelong, and Cornwall, England, to Letitia Annie Jane Elliott, youngest daughter of the late George Guernsey, captain and adjutant of the Westmeath Militia, and widow of the late James Elliott, of Enniskilleen, County Fermanagh, Ireland. Morning Bulletin (Rockhampton, Qld. : 1878 - 1954) Thursday 6 February 1879 p 1 GODBER. —On the 27th January, at the residence of his son Robert Henry, at Gympie, Joseph Godber, senior, late of Tully, County Fermanagh, Ireland, in his 68th yerr. The Sydney Morning Herald (NSW : 1842 - 1954) Thursday 6 March 1879 p 1 DUNDAS-LATIMER.-February 20, at St. Philip's Church, by the Rev. Canon O'Rielly, John Dundas, son of Mr. James Dundas, of Enniskillen, County Fermanagh, Ireland, to Lizzie Latimer, second daughter of Mr. John Latimer, Ballyconnel, County Cavan, Ireland. Australian Town and Country Journal (Sydney, NSW : 1870 - 1907) Saturday 8 March 1879 p 43 M'DONALD.-January 31, at the residence of her daughter, Dubbo, aged 78 years. Elizabeth, widow of the late James M'Donald, of Bathurst, a native of the county Fermanagh, Ireland, mother of Mr. J. Rooney, Darlington, Sydney, Mr. A. A. Byrne, Dubbo, Mrs. John M'Connell, Parkes, grandmother of Mrs. D. Toohey, Mumburn, leaving 14 grandchildren, two great grandchildren, and a numerous circle of friends to mourn her loss. May she rest in peace. Newcastle Morning Herald and Miners' Advocate (NSW : 1876 - 1954) Saturday 26 April 1879 p 4 MARRIAGE. WALSH — STEELE. — April 23rd, at St. Thomas' Church, Enfield, by the Rev. George King, HENRY DEAN WALSH, BA., C.E. Harbours and Rivers Department, New South Wales, youngest son of the late Right Honourable JOHN E. WALSH, Master of the Rolls, Ireland, to LUCY GWENDOLINE, second daughter of the Rev. W. STEELE, D.D., Head Master of Partora Royal School, county Fermanagh, Ireland. The Sydney Morning Herald (NSW : 1842 - 1954) Tuesday 6 May 1879 p 1 WATKINS-McCULLOUGH.-May 1, at St. John's Church Uralla, by Rev. D. M. Sinclair, John Henry, eldest son of John Watkins, of Carwen, Denbeighshire, England, to Isabella McCullough, second daughter of Mr. John McCullough, Maguire's Bridge, County Fermanagh, Ireland. The Sydney Morning Herald (NSW : 1842 - 1954) Monday 19 May 1879 p 1 REYNOLDS.-May 18, at the residence of her son, 33, Lansdowne-street, Surry Hills, Mrs. Isabella Reynolds, aged 90 years, native of County Fermanagh, Ireland. Morning Bulletin (Rockhampton, Qld. : 1878 - 1954) Friday 2 April 1880 p 1 DE COSTA. —On the 25th March, at West Hill Station, Alice, the beloved wife of John De Coata, native of Enniskillen, County Fermanagh, Ireland. Aged, 38 years. Much respected.Curiosity got me, so I looked for the parents,who where Philip FERGUSON and Alice CURRAN. Alexandra and Yea Standard, Gobur, Thornton and Acheron Express (Vic. : 1877 - 1908) Friday 6 August 1880 p 2 DEATH. IRVINE--On the 27th ult., at 10 pm, at her residence, Island Bay, near Warrnambool, of heart disease, Annnbella, relict of the late James Irvine, of Drogan. County Fermanagh, Ireland, and the beloved mother of Senior-constable Robert Irvine, of Alexandra, aged 67 years. Freeman's Journal (Sydney, NSW : 1850 - 1932) Saturday 5 June 1880 p 11 MAGUIRE. — June 2, 1880, at her late residence, No. 33, Sophia-street, off Riley-street., Surry Ilills, Mary Maguire, the beloved wife of Patrick Maguire, aged 28 years, late of the Country Fermanagh, Ireland. Freeman's Journal (Sydney, NSW : 1850 - 1932) Saturday 11 December 1880 p 11 DEATHS. HANLAN. — At No. 8, Ultimo-street, off Bay-street, the wife of Mr. John Hanlan, aged 34 years, after a short illness, a native of Fermanagh, Ireland. Itequicscai in pacc. The Argus (Melbourne, Vic. : 1848 - 1957) Monday 22 November 1880 p 8 THE Friends of the late Mrs LOUISA BEVAN, relict of tho late Thomas Bevan, are respectfully invited to follow her remains to tho placo of Internment, the Boroondara Comotery, Kew.Tho funeral will movo from hor late residence, Fermanagh, Prospect hill, Camberwell, on Tuesday, 23rd inst, at 2 o'clock p m. The Australasian (Melbourne, Vic. : 1864 - 1946) Saturday 8 May 1880 p 26 WEST-WILSON.-On the 21st ult, at St. James's Church, Sydney, N.S.W., by the Rev. Canon Hough, David West, of Oxford-street, Sydney, eldest son of the late James West, Esq., near Tempo, in the county Fermanagh, Ireland, to Elloner, third daughter of the late Thomas Wilson, Esq., of Mullynock, near Enniskillen, Ireland. Illustrated Australian News (Melbourne, Vic. : 1876 - 1889) Saturday 5 June 1880 p 94 BRADEN.—On 12th May, at her residence, New- street, Brighton, after a long and painful illness, Jane, the beloved wife of Samuel Braden, aged 60, formerly of McGuire's-bridge, Co. Fermanagh, Ireland. Regretted by all who knew her. Ken

    03/04/2015 07:03:22
    1. Re: FERMANAGH-GOLD CAVANS (Cross Fermanagh)
    2. Eilish via
    3. I've heard of that drink. Doesn't overconsumption give you a speech defect? O:-) Eilish On 4/03/2015 10:35 AM, Dave H via wrote: > Oh it would drive one to drink Guinnefs !!!! > > > DH > >

    03/04/2015 03:49:31
    1. Re: FERMANAGH-GOLD Enniskillen, Cavan
    2. Eilish via
    3. Hi Janet, We get that all the time! Eilish in Australia (not Austria) On 4/03/2015 8:46 AM, caiside via wrote: > I just saw one where the people mistook the country abbreviation for > Australia and decided the family was from Austria! > > Janet C > > >

    03/04/2015 02:25:00
    1. Re: FERMANAGH-GOLD Enniskillen, Cavan
    2. Dave H via
    3. Because someone geographically challenged decided it was in Cavan when they saw Cavan on the page... If you go to the example Chris posted yesterday, in her example you'll see Donegal, Fermanagh and Leitrim mentioned so I can well imagine what someone could make of that. David also explained how it could happen... So did I. Only last night I was putting kin on my tree from 1720 to 1740, from Wills/Deeds (my stuff, not Nick Reddan's!!).. BUT when I checked it against the work of an "expert", a very highly regarded "voice" in genealogy his work was wrong... Someone who died in 1743 was the Uncle of a 10 y.o. who died 1844... Yeah, pull the other one! It's not a typo as the rest also gives wrong relationships among the others mentioned! Proof?? The Marriage agreement of 1770's... If I was to simply accept the work of a highly regarded expert then I'd be up the wrong tree... Second PROOF... I have my own photos of the gravestones!! This "work" was copied and is now on one of these "Freepages" and also on another website. I've seen my family tree, also done by a Paid Genealogist, and it is completely wrong!! You have that record... forget about how someone else has manipulated it, Transcribe it for yourself so you will know what's what and remember it better. If you take IGP and their transcribing of g/stones.. any of those transcribers can make a human error BUT the beauty of it is that one can look at same photo and transcribe it for themselves! AND if one does Copy/Paste a transcription they should also look at the photo too and double check it for themselves... and then allow for inscription dates to be possibly wrong, many g/stones are inaccurate in themselves! IGP transcribes the g/stones... they don't come along and add in "Oh yeah, that's in Donegal!". If something can't be made out then no one guesses what it might be! You get what is there, not what one thinks is there! Similarly, without SEEING what you are talking about we can only guess!! The only work I believe is the work I've done for myself.... and YES I do make mistakes putting in 1922 instead of 1822, for example, but at least I can spot the errors at some stage. It pays to search in the neighbouring 31 counties as well as Fermanagh as a Fermanagh search may not have picked up this death as he might have died and been buried in Dublin, Death Registered in Dublin!!! Once the search is restricted to just 31 other counties one should be OK! DH On 04/03/2015 04:49, John Niemann via wrote: > I am still curious as to why the Register index entry should mention Cavan as Tempo is clearly not in Cavan, but it maybe shows that it pays to search in the neighbouring counties as well as Fermanagh as a Fermanagh search may not have picked up this death. >

    03/04/2015 02:19:18
    1. Re: FERMANAGH-GOLD Enniskillen, Cavan
    2. DSA2003 via
    3. G’day Kerry In my posting of the 14th February, I explained that the Registration Districts are based on the Poor Law Unions and have nothing to do with Parish and County boundaries. Here’s what I said then: “The Civil Registration Districts were based on the Poor Law Unions which is why some Registration Districts cross both county and parish boundaries. I have some old photocopies of outline maps for Fermanagh and Monaghan which show the boundaries of the parishes, Baronies, and Poor Law Unions. (Unfortunately I don’t have at hand the title of the book which I photocopied). The Poor Law Union of Clones straddles the Fermanagh Monaghan border and includes the parishes of Clones, Drummully and Galloon in Fermanagh. Clones and Drummully ross the county boundary. The western part of Galloon is in the Lisnaskea PLU. In Monaghan, the Clones PLU includes the parishes of Clones, Drummully, Currin, Aghabog, Killeevan. The parish of Clones is also partly in the Monaghan PLU as are Killevan and Aghabog. The parishes of Killevan, Aghabog and Currin are also partly in the Cootehill PLU in Monaghan. So the parish of Killevan straddles three Poor Law Unions and hence three Registration Districts. Furthermore, the GRO Indexes do not, repeat, do not name the county only the Registration District.” The LDS in transcribing the indexes have ADDED a county reference to their database and this is what is causing the confusion. Regards David Armstrong Maylands Western Australia From: Kerry Johnston via Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2015 11:24 PM To: FERMANAGH-GOLD@rootsweb.com Subject: FERMANAGH-GOLD Enniskillen, Cavan Hi John and all - while searching on Find My Past, I have come across dozens of BMD records showing the "location" as Enniskillen, Cavan, Ireland. I too wondered what this meant but with so many records showing this as a location it clearly was not a typographical error or misprint. The confusion seems to lie in the fact that each county in Ireland had "registration districts" for civil registration purposes, and BOTH county Fermanagh and County Cavan had/have a registration district called "Enniskillen. See this link at Family Search.org and scroll down to "Superintendent Registar's Districts" for the list: https://familysearch.org/learn/wiki/en/Ireland,_Civil_Registration_Guide,_County/Volume_Arrangement I also came across a map of Administrative Counties in Ireland in 1898 at this link: http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Irish_local_government_areas_1898%E2%80%931921 You can see the divisions of each of the Administrative Counties of Cavan and Fermanagh and that the names of these divisions almost exactly mirror the Superintendent Registrar's districts. You will also see on the Administrative Map for Cavan that the westernmost division is called "Enniskillen No. 2", which abuts "Enniskillen Nol 1" in Fermanagh immediately to the north. This isn't a very satisfactory answer but perhaps sheds some light on what "Enniskillen, Cavan" refers to. Kerry Johnston in Toronto --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com

    03/04/2015 01:04:08
    1. Re: FERMANAGH-GOLD Enniskillen, Cavan
    2. Dave H via
    3. Indeed David, and the L in PLU explains itself... They were set up by the passing of the Government's Poor LAW Act and the Government decided where the areas should be. As we know there are Parishes BUT RC and C of E&I Parishes differed in boundaries. In order to be "neutral" they couldn't go with Parishes... which Parishes? The RC ones or the C of E&I ones?? Using different areas meant "neutral ground" for all. They simply had to differ and PLU's are Government controlled, nothing to do with ANY religion. They were what was to become Civil Parishes/ Registry Districts, not Religious Parishes... On 04/03/2015 00:04, DSA2003 via wrote: > “The Civil Registration Districts were based on the Poor Law Unions

    03/03/2015 07:19:03
    1. Re: FERMANAGH-GOLD CAVANS (Cross Fermanagh)
    2. Dave H via
    3. Eye be leave sow... On 03/03/2015 23:49, Eilish wrote: > I've heard of that drink. Doesn't overconsumption give you a speech > defect? O:-) > > Eilish

    03/03/2015 06:56:54
    1. Re: FERMANAGH-GOLD Enniskillen, Cavan
    2. Dave H via
    3. Indeed David! If they had transcribed them there wouldn't be any problem, but they decide to "translate" them by INCORRECTLY adding the County.. If they had just transcribed Lisnaskea as Lisnaskea then that would have referred to the AREAS Lisnaskea Registry Office covered... they then decided to add the County where Lisnaskea is in which changes everything because it omits the other Counties that Lisnaskea covered. Indeed Churches/Parishes have NOTHING to do with where the State decided to locate THEIR State Registry Offices... Registry Offices are GOVERNMENT Offices! On 04/03/2015 00:04, DSA2003 via wrote: > The LDS in transcribing the indexes have ADDED a county reference to their database and this is what is causing the confusion. > > Regards > > David Armstrong

    03/03/2015 06:54:25
    1. Re: FERMANAGH-GOLD CAVANS (Cross Fermanagh)
    2. Dave H via
    3. The transcribers did a great job, they transcribed what was on the Forms, and that was their remit. Some of the townlands my kin were in are spelt differently between Census but the transcribers just transcribed, and were right to do so. The National Archive will only make corrections if the transcription differs from what is on the Form. If a name place is written incorrectly on the Form and transcription they will not correct that.. IF there was an S then they should have transcribed it as it was, Cavans. Oh it would drive one to drink Guinnefs !!!! DH On 03/03/2015 23:14, Viola Wiggins via wrote: > There were 9 households and 31 residents listed in the 1901 Census in Cavans (Cross Fermanagh) > (1) Gamble and Monachan (2) Maguire (3) Breadon (4) Greene (5) Armstrong (6) Maguire (7) Breadon > (8) EVANS (8) Mellon (9) Cooke > So records of events relating to those families or residents with them Will have CAVANS, Fermanagh. > Transcribers might have omitted the final 'S' of CAVANS, mistaking it for the County Cavan.

    03/03/2015 04:35:38
    1. FERMANAGH-GOLD CAVANS (Cross Fermanagh)
    2. Viola Wiggins via
    3. There were 9 households and 31 residents listed in the 1901 Census in Cavans (Cross Fermanagh) (1) Gamble and Monachan (2) Maguire (3) Breadon (4) Greene (5) Armstrong (6) Maguire (7) Breadon (8) EVANS (8) Mellon (9) Cooke So records of events relating to those families or residents with them Will have CAVANS, Fermanagh. Transcribers might have omitted the final 'S' of CAVANS, mistaking it for the County Cavan. Townlands of DED (Cross Fermanagh) in 1901 Census Aghnagrane Ballymacaffrey Bohatton Cavans Cliffany Coolrakelly Cran Creagh Creevehill Doolderney Drumnamede Edenagilhorn Edenbane Foydragh Furnish Gorteen Killyliss Knocknastacken Lisboy Lisnabane Rafintan Ramult Tattinalee Tattinfree Tattykeeran Trasna Tullyreagh and Tullyweel Those same Townlands were recorded as Aghnagrane Ballymacaffry Bohatton Cavans Cleffany Coolrakelly Cran Creagh Crievehilll Dooederny Drumnameel Edenagilhorn Edenbane Foydragh Furnish Gorteen Killyliss Knocknastacken Lisboy Lisnabane Rafintan Ramult Tattenalee Tattinfree Tattykeeran Trasna Tullyreagh Tullyweel in the 1911 Census indicating the variance of Transcribed records, One very obvious being Tattinalee Tattenfree [the same townland] Viola --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com

    03/03/2015 04:14:56
    1. Re: FERMANAGH-GOLD 3 counties on d. cert
    2. Dave H via
    3. The deaths would be in one of the 3 tree counties so the Townland is the important thing...the first one mentioned after Date of Death!! but you'd need to check which county each one is in. On 03/03/2015 18:56, Christina Hunt wrote: > As you say...a transcription might be more confusing in this kind of > situation. > Chris

    03/03/2015 12:07:39
    1. Re: FERMANAGH-GOLD Enniskillen, Cavan
    2. Dave H via
    3. There are some great trees on Ancestry for people coming from Co. Leitrim and all because someone saw Leitrim on a record... and decided it was Co. Leitrim!! Have a great flight and enjoy holiday!! Dave. On 03/03/2015 16:50, Valerie Ackroyd via wrote: > This discussion reminds me of the problem I had years ago identifying my ggf John Reilly's home on his marriage certificate as "Drumrush." Because my ggm Ellen Gilleece had come from Aughyoule Fermanagh and they were married in Derrylin, I tried for ages to figure out where Drumrush in Fermanagh was. On Google there are lots of Drumrush references--Drumrush Lodge, Drumrush Golf.... It was only when I found my gm's birth certificate that I realized it was indeed Drumrush Cavan. Don't know how they met but at least I have seen both places. > > Val, thinking how to knock dh out for our long flights Thursday. Will wave to you from Dublin Airport, Dave and Vi!

    03/03/2015 11:50:37
    1. Re: FERMANAGH-GOLD 3 counties on d. cert
    2. Dave H via
    3. Pretty straightforward, the Reg Office in Ballintra ( http://www.logainm.ie/en/1414060 ) would cater for people from parts of those 3 Counties On 03/03/2015 16:51, Christina Hunt via wrote: > If anyone is interested - > here is a scan Ellen is working on. > http://www.igp-web.com/IGPArchives/donegal.jpg > > (I added the county info.) > > Chris

    03/03/2015 11:16:22
    1. Re: FERMANAGH-GOLD Enniskillen, Cavan
    2. John Niemann via
    3. Thanks Viola. I'll try the 1901 Census and some Tyrone searches - a couple of people have suggested looking beyond Fermanagh. The first Robert you refer to is my ggg grandfather - I think! The BMDs on the IGP site are ones I submitted after visiting the Tempo and Clabby churches a couple of years back. Sorry I didn't have time to chat to you then - maybe another time. Thanks again to you and Dave for your help. John. > From: viola.wiggins@tesco.net > To: kneemann@hotmail.com; fermanagh-gold@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: FERMANAGH-GOLD Enniskillen, Cavan > Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2015 02:19:58 +0000 > > John > Ahhhhhh CLABBY is Co Tyrone and in Clogher Diocese > ARMSTRONG Robert Burial 6/7/1882 age 95 St Margaret's Clabby residence > Drumcor ARMSTRONG Robert Burial 1/31/1904 age 69 St > Margaret's Clabby residence Drumcor > Which would be perhaps one of the above persons. Their Townland was Drumcor > So now you know the name and Townland the Griffith's Valuation and 1901 > Census should pick up the latter one in Drumcor and probably other members > of his family > FMP is not always the way to go when we have our own FREE website > www.fermanagh-gold.com > which would be my first port of call to search. The above records are from > http://www.igp-web.com/IGPArchives/ire/fermanagh/churches/parish-recs-headstones.htm > and the search engine on our website would pick that up > I would point out that there are numerous ARMSTRONG BMDs listed on the above > IGP website as well as a few COLLUM buried at Rossorry [Enniskillen] > Viola > > Subject: Re: FERMANAGH-GOLD Enniskillen, Cavan > Hi Viola and Dave, > I have some more detail: > This entry appears in FundMyPast in the list of search results for Robert > Armstrong, and is, I believe, for my ggg grandfather, who I know from other > sources died at Clabby and is buried in the CoI graveyard there. The actual > transcript states that the registration district is Enniskillen and the > County is Ireland, so that doesn't explain why Cavan is mentioned. > Last Name First name Born Died Event Category > Location > Armstrong Robert 1787 1882 1882 Deaths & Burials > Enniskillen,Cavan,Ireland > > According to the County Cavan Genealogy Society the Kilmore Diocese > extended to some parishes in Fermanagh - could this be an explanation? > Or else could it just be a mistake in the records? > > > Do you have any more suggestions? > > > > There is another issue with this record. By the dates listed, and the age > > listed in the transcript, Robert was 95yo when he died. Another source, a > > report of his death in the Impartial Reporter of 13th? July 1882, puts his > > age at 105. The fact that he was a centenarian seems to be part of the > > reason for noting his death and would put his birth in 1777. Another error > > in the parish records or is there another Robert? > > > > I have lots of info about our Armstrong family in Australia, the earliest > > arrivals being in 1854. My great grandfather, also Robert, who arrived on > > the 'Wennington' in 1868 (dep Liverpool 31/10/1867), was born in > > Enniskillen in 1847 according to his death certificate, and his parents > > were William Armstrong b c 1820 and Ellen Collum, but I can't get proof of > > Robert's birth, his parents' names and their parents' names, and therefore > > proof that the Robert Armstrong referred to above is in fact my ggg > > grandfather. All that I know about the Irish connection is based on family > > legend and research by family members who died many years ago. There's a > > clue or two out there, I just have to find them! > > > > Cheers, > > John > > > > > >> Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2015 10:57:54 +0000 > >> > >> Can you please give more exact details? Names dates etc. > >> That might help us sort it out for you > >> Viola > >> > >> > >> > On 2 Mar 2015, at 09:38, Dave H via <fermanagh-gold@rootsweb.com> > >> > wrote: > >> > > >> > Cavan can be found in Counties: Antrim, Armagh, Cavan, Down, Donegal, > >> > Leitrim, Longford, Louth, Mayo, Monaghan, Tyrone > >> > > >> > Enniskillen in Co's; Fermanagh and Tyrone. > > > >> > DH > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> >> On 02/03/2015 05:31, John Niemann via wrote: > >> >> Hi listers > >> >> > >> >> Can someone help me please? > >> >> > >> >> In some BDM on-line listings (either FindMyPast or Ancestry or both) I > >> >> looked at recently the location of the BDM was stated as Enniskillen, > >> >> Cavan, Ireland. Is that possible? > >> > > > > > ================================== > > > > https://www.google.ie/ > > ================================== > > http://www.irishtimes.com/ancestor/placenames/ > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > FERMANAGH-GOLD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > http://www.avast.com >

    03/03/2015 10:59:22
    1. Re: FERMANAGH-GOLD Double S
    2. caiside via
    3. Taking the opportunity to point out a peculiarity of old script in this scan. Note the name of the registrar in the far right column, John Cassidy. Here's an example of a double S written to look like fs. Could even be mistaken for ps. Janet C On 3/3/15 11:51 AM, Christina Hunt wrote: > If anyone is interested - > here is a scan Ellen is working on. > http://www.igp-web.com/IGPArchives/donegal.jpg > > (I added the county info.) > > Chris >

    03/03/2015 09:52:33
    1. Re: FERMANAGH-GOLD Enniskillen, Cavan
    2. caiside via
    3. I just saw one where the people mistook the country abbreviation for Australia and decided the family was from Austria! Janet C On 3/3/15 1:50 PM, Dave H wrote: > There are some great trees on Ancestry for people coming from Co. > Leitrim and all because someone saw Leitrim on a record... and decided > it was Co. Leitrim!! > > Have a great flight and enjoy holiday!! > > Dave. > > On 03/03/2015 16:50, Valerie Ackroyd via wrote: >> This discussion reminds me of the problem I had years ago identifying >> my ggf John Reilly's home on his marriage certificate as "Drumrush." >> Because my ggm Ellen Gilleece had come from Aughyoule Fermanagh and >> they were married in Derrylin, I tried for ages to figure out where >> Drumrush in Fermanagh was. On Google there are lots of Drumrush >> references--Drumrush Lodge, Drumrush Golf.... It was only when I >> found my gm's birth certificate that I realized it was indeed >> Drumrush Cavan. Don't know how they met but at least I have seen both >> places. >> >> Val, thinking how to knock dh out for our long flights Thursday. Will >> wave to you from Dublin Airport, Dave and Vi! > > >

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