Hello again, I reply to Janet C.'s comment, my great great grandfather's name was William Quinn. Quinn is spelt on the military documents as Quinn with two ns. I have been told that Quinn was Irish, and Quin was Scottish (Presp.) Not sure if this is fact. Anyway William himself signed his name as Quinn. I have found an older? William Quinn on Valuation of Tenaments chart at Woodhill Templecarn. The total annual valuation of Quinn's rateable property was 10/-. Regards Margaret Br.

Hi Shirley and Dave, Just searched online and found the fortified Irish houses called peel towers. These are very different to the wonderfully evocative round towers of the ancient monasteries as at Glendalough and other sites. Shirley, when I answered your mail I believed you referred to the latter, not the former. Must admit I, too, had never heard the fortified houses called peel towers before, somewhat differing from the more-familiar Scottish version. Dee. -----Original Message----- From: fermanagh-gold-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:fermanagh-gold-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Dave H via Sent: Sunday, 8 March 2015 11:55 PM To: fermanagh-gold@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: FERMANAGH-GOLD Pele or Peel towers Never heard them called that in Ireland... fortified houses, yes but not Peel Houses. Weren't they along the English/Scottish borders?? Plenty of fortified houses and small castles in Ireland. DH On 08/03/2015 12:40, Shirley Smith via wrote: > Thank you, Dee. My cousin was just visiting and told me I should be sure to see these towers If I ever get to Ireland. I had seen them in the Border area of England/Scotland. We looked at photos, and I think the Irish towers are taller, at least from the pictures. Shirley ================================== https://www.google.ie/ ================================== http://www.irishtimes.com/ancestor/placenames/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FERMANAGH-GOLD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Probably not far enough for some parents.... Don't forget that even a First Presbyterian marrying a Second Pres was a mixed marriage... Dave. On 09/03/2015 01:40, Allan & Kathy Lowe wrote: > Hi Dave > > I suppose that rural Ontario was far enough away - though it was the > original Protestants who emigrated! > > Thanks for the info. > > Kathy

There are a lot more Irish records available for free online that were not there when I started Irish research in 2003, including what this group has posted - thank you to all those that do that : ) I have ordered records from PRONI and Roscommon for reasonable costs. For researching in Ontario, ancestry has a lot of things not found online elsewhere - including scanned documents for Civil Registrations and the Canadian census from 1842 onwards. Find My Past tends to just have indexes to civil registrations for Ireland and the UK. I haven't searched the newspapers yet. However, if I need to search FMP, I can go to my library down the street from me. Bonnie On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 5:54 AM, Dave H via <fermanagh-gold@rootsweb.com> wrote: > When you look at FMP, Ancestry etc, what do they really have? >

Dave, thanks. Now I understand the use of Peel towers in Ireland and what a Peel House is. Shirley ---------- Original Message ---------- From: Dave H via <fermanagh-gold@rootsweb.com> To: fermanagh-gold@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: FERMANAGH-GOLD Pele or Peel towers Date: Sun, 08 Mar 2015 23:08:17 +0000 Yes they've been wrongly tagged as Peel Houses but they aren't Peel Houses and built at different times, they are fortified houses built by families and tell a lot about a particular family at a particular time. Peel houses had a Fire tower for signalling to other Peel towers, fortified Irish houses didn't.. they were just fortified houses. .. bit like calling a Cromwellian Fort a lighthouses. One can call them Peel towers if they want but they simply weren't Peel towers! Peel towers were a chain of towers while the Irish fortified houses were just individual fortified houses. DH On 08/03/2015 22:41, Dee via wrote: > Hi Shirley and Dave, > > Just searched online and found the fortified Irish houses called peel > towers. These are very different to the wonderfully evocative round towers > of the ancient monasteries as at Glendalough and other sites. Shirley, when > I answered your mail I believed you referred to the latter, not the former. > > Must admit I, too, had never heard the fortified houses called peel towers > before, somewhat differing from the more-familiar Scottish version. > > Dee. ================================== https://www.google.ie/ ================================== http://www.irishtimes.com/ancestor/placenames/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FERMANAGH-GOLD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi, Dee, thank you! Very interesting! Shirley ---------- Original Message ---------- From: Dee via <fermanagh-gold@rootsweb.com> To: <fermanagh-gold@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: FERMANAGH-GOLD Pele or Peel towers Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2015 08:41:58 +1000 Hi Shirley and Dave, Just searched online and found the fortified Irish houses called peel towers. These are very different to the wonderfully evocative round towers of the ancient monasteries as at Glendalough and other sites. Shirley, when I answered your mail I believed you referred to the latter, not the former. Must admit I, too, had never heard the fortified houses called peel towers before, somewhat differing from the more-familiar Scottish version. Dee. -----Original Message----- From: fermanagh-gold-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:fermanagh-gold-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Dave H via Sent: Sunday, 8 March 2015 11:55 PM To: fermanagh-gold@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: FERMANAGH-GOLD Pele or Peel towers Never heard them called that in Ireland... fortified houses, yes but not Peel Houses. Weren't they along the English/Scottish borders?? Plenty of fortified houses and small castles in Ireland. DH On 08/03/2015 12:40, Shirley Smith via wrote: > Thank you, Dee. My cousin was just visiting and told me I should be sure to see these towers If I ever get to Ireland. I had seen them in the Border area of England/Scotland. We looked at photos, and I think the Irish towers are taller, at least from the pictures. Shirley ================================== https://www.google.ie/ ================================== http://www.irishtimes.com/ancestor/placenames/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FERMANAGH-GOLD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ================================== https://www.google.ie/ ================================== http://www.irishtimes.com/ancestor/placenames/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FERMANAGH-GOLD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Jeremy, there's a lot of stuff that has been posted on FG in the past such as the Kabristan Books, and the Master Burial List for example which is where I'd start. Plus FG website. Along with that there is the Irish Google Search engine at www.google.ie which gets one better results for Irish stuff. On the Master Burial List there are g/yard after g/yard with names from g/stones, I didn't find any of mine there BUT I did make a list of where not to look via names of g/yards. As a result I don't know the web link to it. From Kabristan I got a few so knew where to go to view those g/stones. Between those two you might find them.. or make a list of where they aren't with gravestones which is just as important. It looks like a lot of work but it isn't.. 5 minutes looking at the list index for Falis/Fallis, maybe 30 minutes at Kabristan which I don't know link for either as I finished ages ago but links to both should be findable via searching FG archives or someone on FG may have them. Between those two you'll cover a vast amount of graveyards. Dave. On 08/03/2015 23:41, jfallis820 via wrote: > Hello, I see on my copy of the Devenish Parish Register that they list they list the BCM. I have a William Fallis Christened 1801-02-08, father Jame Fallis and mother Mary of Killyveagh. I know William emigrated to Canada and died there. William didn't list his religion when he entered New Brunswick, Canada, but later it is entered as the C of E. > I was hoping that someone on the list could help me to begin to locate the death records for James and Mary's passing. All I know is Devenish Parish, Killyveagh. > Thank you for any help you can give. > Jeremy M. Fallis

----- Original Message ----- From: fermanagh-gold-request@rootsweb.com To: "fermanagh-gold" <fermanagh-gold@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, March 8, 2015 6:42:03 PM Subject: Devenish deaths Hello, I see on my copy of the Devenish Parish Register that they list they list the BCM. I have a William Fallis Christened 1801-02-08, father Jame Fallis and mother Mary of Killyveagh. I know William emigrated to Canada and died there. William didn't list his religion when he entered New Brunswick, Canada, but later it is entered as the C of E. I was hoping that someone on the list could help me to begin to locate the death records for James and Mary's passing. All I know is Devenish Parish, Killyveagh. Thank you for any help you can give. Jeremy M. Fallis

Yes they've been wrongly tagged as Peel Houses but they aren't Peel Houses and built at different times, they are fortified houses built by families and tell a lot about a particular family at a particular time. Peel houses had a Fire tower for signalling to other Peel towers, fortified Irish houses didn't.. they were just fortified houses. .. bit like calling a Cromwellian Fort a lighthouses. One can call them Peel towers if they want but they simply weren't Peel towers! Peel towers were a chain of towers while the Irish fortified houses were just individual fortified houses. DH On 08/03/2015 22:41, Dee via wrote: > Hi Shirley and Dave, > > Just searched online and found the fortified Irish houses called peel > towers. These are very different to the wonderfully evocative round towers > of the ancient monasteries as at Glendalough and other sites. Shirley, when > I answered your mail I believed you referred to the latter, not the former. > > Must admit I, too, had never heard the fortified houses called peel towers > before, somewhat differing from the more-familiar Scottish version. > > Dee.

Don't know but I hope they find the person. Other two dogs seem to be OK after being sick in the ring. I only hope the person licked their own fingers. Vi > Ahh.... but who poisoned the Irish Setter?? --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com

Hi Janet My Stinsons were Protestant in all known records. I was interested to find that there were also Catholic Stinsons in the area. Our first known Stinson was Edward Stinson (1789 Ireland - 1857 Ontario) who married Margaret Spence (1789 Ireland - 1879 Ontario). Margaret was the sister of my gggggrandmother Anne Spence and my gggggrandfather George Spence (my gggrandparents were 3rd cousins). Two bits of info suggested that they were from Fermanagh and we did find the expected children for Edward and Margaret born in Drumlish and Drumanure, Devenish parish, from Gabriel Stinson in 1817 to George Stuart Stinson in 1832 in David Elliott's Devenish transcriptions. Edward and Margaret emigrated to Ontario after George Stuart's birth as their next child was born in Ontario. We didn't find Edward and Margaret's marriage record. We did find sister Anne Spence's 1810 marriage to Robert Irwin in Killyveagh, Devenish and baptisms for four children from 1811 to 1818. Also brother George Spence's 1824 marriage to Anne Hicks in Trory, though no record of the baptism of their son Gabriel Spence in 1825. There is at least one other Stinson family involved in our family, as Anne Spence Irwin's two Irwin sons both married Stinson women. George Irwin (1813 Devenish - 1881 Ontario) married Mary Stinson (1818 Ireland - 1851 Ontario). His brother Robert Irwin Jr (1818 Devenish - ? Ontario) married Sarah Stinson (1819 Ireland - 1854 Ontario). I believe that Mary and Sarah were sisters and that they had a brother Alexander Stinson (1819 Ireland - 1909 Ontario), as there are some documents suggesting a connection between them. Alexander's parents are named on his death cert as John Stinson and Jane Scott. I'm thinking that John Stinson might be a brother of Edward Stinson. Members of the Spence and related families are buried in a private Crawford family cemetery in Albion, Ontario. Edward and Margaret Spence Stinson, and George and Robert Irwin and their Stinson wives are buried there. A John Stinson (1785 Ireland -1850 Ontario) is also buried there, which makes me think that he is Edward's brother and likely Alexander, Mary and Sarah's father. There is also a grave for an Elizabeth Stinson (1770 Ireland - 1836 Ontario), who I think is likely Edward's mother, and perhaps also John's, though he may turn out to be more distantly related. That is the extent of our known Stinsons. You probably already know this, but I have read recently that Stinson is a variation of Stephenson or Stevenson. Kathy -----Original Message----- From: caiside@comcast.net Sent: Sunday, March 8, 2015 4:04 PM To: Allan & Kathy Lowe ; fermanagh-gold@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: Re: FERMANAGH-GOLD STINSON Kathy, I was just about to answer your first sentence using STINSON as an example when I read your second! I am researching STINSON. Mine married a McCaffrey and when the family moved to Quebec were definitely Catholic. I am also interested in the William STINSON who is a teacher (and RC) in the 1826 list. Other STINSONs in the same area were Protestant, so I suspect someone in the family married a Catholic and raised the children Catholic. Where are yours from? I know my Cassidys in western Fermanagh are 100% Catholic, but there are Protestant Cassidys in Donegal and Antrim. Some people converted because of marriage or because it was advantageous for other reasons. Janet C

I decided to try this site while it was free. So far I have found the same information for Irish BMD's as I would find on familysearch.org - the same applies for English BMD's. Also I found transcriptions from David Elliott's Devenish Parish Registers. Perhaps someone could advise me the value of subscribing to this site. Bonnie Anderson

Ahh.... but who poisoned the Irish Setter?? DH On 08/03/2015 21:24, Viola Wiggins via wrote: > I know this is off piste for Genealogy. Please forgive me. > BUT > No life is complete without the companionship and love of a faithful friend. No wonder dogs are known as "Man's Best Friend"! Whether just a mongrel pet or a Working Dog, or one with a pedigree as long as one's arm, a dog can bring a calmness into the turmoil of "life in the fast lane" of today. > I've just watched Cruft's Best in Show, where a line up of seven best of breed dogs competed for that title. > > A beautiful Black Scottish Terrier "From Russia with Love" won that massive honour. > Bred in USA, Gifted to a Lady in Russia, that dog just oozed quality and character, moving like a black cloud floating on the air. First best in show for that breed since 1930s > The runner up was a wonderfully tempramented, tail wagging, Black Smooth haired Retriever. > > Sorry Dee none of the 37 Chins made the final line up. > > I was backing the White Malteese Terrier, who was so excited it spun around in circles right in front of the Judge. > > Viola

I know this is off piste for Genealogy. Please forgive me. BUT No life is complete without the companionship and love of a faithful friend. No wonder dogs are known as "Man's Best Friend"! Whether just a mongrel pet or a Working Dog, or one with a pedigree as long as one's arm, a dog can bring a calmness into the turmoil of "life in the fast lane" of today. I've just watched Cruft's Best in Show, where a line up of seven best of breed dogs competed for that title. A beautiful Black Scottish Terrier "From Russia with Love" won that massive honour. Bred in USA, Gifted to a Lady in Russia, that dog just oozed quality and character, moving like a black cloud floating on the air. First best in show for that breed since 1930s The runner up was a wonderfully tempramented, tail wagging, Black Smooth haired Retriever. Sorry Dee none of the 37 Chins made the final line up. I was backing the White Malteese Terrier, who was so excited it spun around in circles right in front of the Judge. Viola --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com

In the Devenish parish records, a James Fallis died 1836 age 80 years and a Mary Fallis in 1849, age 60 years, both of Killyveagh. bj

Kathy, I was just about to answer your first sentence using STINSON as an example when I read your second! I am researching STINSON. Mine married a McCaffrey and when the family moved to Quebec were definitely Catholic. I am also interested in the William STINSON who is a teacher (and RC) in the 1826 list. Other STINSONs in the same area were Protestant, so I suspect someone in the family married a Catholic and raised the children Catholic. Where are yours from? I know my Cassidys in western Fermanagh are 100% Catholic, but there are Protestant Cassidys in Donegal and Antrim. Some people converted because of marriage or because it was advantageous for other reasons. Janet C On 3/8/15 12:09 PM, Allan & Kathy Lowe wrote: > i All > > On this subject, I wonder if anyone knows of Protestant families with > branches that were Catholic, especially in the early 1800s. > > In the teacher lists Carole posted, I noticed that there were two > Stinsons both teaching in Catholic schools, though our Fermanagh > Stinsons of that time were definitely Protestants. As well, I have > found both Catholic and Protestant records for my predominantly > Protestant Carefoot family in Wicklow in the early 1800s. > > Thanks for your thoughts on this. > > Kathy Lowe

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Hi Dave I suppose that rural Ontario was far enough away - though it was the original Protestants who emigrated! Thanks for the info. Kathy -----Original Message----- From: Dave H via Sent: Sunday, March 8, 2015 9:24 AM To: fermanagh-gold@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: FERMANAGH-GOLD religion Most certainly... but they would have to move away from "home"... The bigger the mix in a mixed marriage the further they moved! DH

I don't know about 1800s but my Irish Catholic grandmother married my English Protestant grandfather in 1910--in Quebec City. And both of her Catholic daughters married Protestant husbands. My aunt's husband, however, converted to Catholicism. My father categorically refused although both my sister and I were brought up Catholic. We just never discussed religion at home. Val, now in England after a horrible journey from New York Thursday into Friday into Saturday. Sent from my iPad > On Mar 8, 2015, at 4:24 PM, Dave H via <fermanagh-gold@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > Most certainly... but they would have to move away from "home"... > > The bigger the mix in a mixed marriage the further they moved! > > DH > > > > >> On 08/03/2015 16:09, Allan & Kathy Lowe via wrote: >> Hi All >> >> On this subject, I wonder if anyone knows of Protestant families with >> branches that were Catholic, especially in the early 1800s. >> >> In the teacher lists Carole posted, I noticed that there were two Stinsons >> both teaching in Catholic schools, though our Fermanagh Stinsons of that >> time were definitely Protestants. As well, I have found both Catholic and >> Protestant records for my predominantly Protestant Carefoot family in >> Wicklow in the early 1800s. >> >> Thanks for your thoughts on this. >> >> Kathy Lowe > > > ================================== > > https://www.google.ie/ > ================================== > http://www.irishtimes.com/ancestor/placenames/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FERMANAGH-GOLD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello again, and thank you to the people who gave me suggestions. Carole's suggestion that the weird word beginning with P was actually Pettigo and that is very satisfactory to know as at last we know where William was born. Actually it was Temple Cairn near Pettigo. Before this we had absolutely nothing except 'Ireland' as his birthplace!! Now back to work, except one more question would anyone know which church his family may have belonged? We have not the slightest idea what religion he was. There is no indication on the army records. He eventually married a girl Sophia Fox in Newry in 1812. We so far have not found where - it is just listed in the F.H.M. I sent away through the Morman library in Melbourne but the film they sent me just had the same information I already had. When Sophia died in 1850 in New Brunswick the Will says husband is deceased. No records at all in Canada for him. Sophia and children are on the New Brunswick census in 1851 which also says they were in New Brunswick for 20 years. Sophia and her children by this time are recorded as Wesleyan. Thanks again. Regards Margaret. B.