Indeed I have a Methodist Minister..all his records, g/stone. kids all registered in C of I and as you say the C of I was the established church and where I'd have advised you to look. Their religion in new country is an indicator of what they might have been in Ireland.... Presby in new country most probably Presby in Ireland... RC in new most probably RC here etc etc... These give clues as to most probable church, g/yard etc in Ireland as a starting point. That's all I'm saying! I used to try to help people by looking up their names while going through Church records for myself... I've asked people to give me everything they had, I emailed them and asked "Is that everything?" and get a "Yes". Upon getting home I'd report which Protestant churches I checked and that I didn't find them only to get this reply.... wait for it wait... I'd get "Oh, why did you look at those Registers, mine were RC"..... UNBELIEVABLE.... ABSOLUTELY UNBELIEVABLE!!!!!!!!! Never ever again!!! On 09/03/2015 20:11, Bonnie Anderson wrote: > It can be confusing to know what religion someone in Ireland was before > the family migrated to Canada. In Canada, my family were Wesleyan > Methodists. In Ireland I find them in Church of Ireland registers as > early as 1820. Once a person like myself (4th generation Canadian) > realizes that C of I was the established church into the 1870's then one > can look there for early records. > However, something that makes me think that they might have been > Methodist in Fermanagh (please correct me if I am wrong) is that the > 1820 marriage in indexed among the Marriage License Bonds. > Another, is that a cousin of mine whose family has lived in Devenish > Parish as early as the 1700s years told me that the people in the > lowland areas of Devenish were mostly Methodist. A Fallis cousin told > me our family has been Methodist for many years. > Bonnie Anderson >

G’day everyone Not who I was looking for but given the Fermanagh connection, it may be of use to someone: OPR Sherbrooke, Canada East (Quebec) 1827-1869 Stafford Buried Elizabeth Hill, late of the Co. of Fermanagh, Ireland, wife of Irwin Stafford of Sherbrooke, Blacksmith, died on the seventeenth day and was buried on the nineteenth day of March A.D. one thousand eight hundred & forty seven. Aged forty five years. By me, W.W. Wait Present: A.G. Woodward; George Cu... Image 432 of 1140 < https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-159378-560063-6?cc=1929561&wc=M6XC-JP8:224645701,224515002,224678101 > (Given the discussion about changing religion earlier today, I thought I’d add that the Incumbent of this parish for whose family I’m searching, was Isaac Hellmuth, a Polish Jew who converted to the Church of England and Ireland, and ended his career as Bishop of Huron). David Armstrong Maylands Western Australia --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com

Indeed. people can still get hints from mine and be able to contact me... rather than rob me!! On 09/03/2015 19:24, David Palin wrote: > Dave > > You are absolutely right. I have a private tree on Ancestry largely for a > way of keeping it backed up. The rubbish that is in the public trees is > unbelievable. If people using Find My Past & Ancestry for their trees ran > data error reports on a regular basis they see how bad they were. > > David

Dave You are absolutely right. I have a private tree on Ancestry largely for a way of keeping it backed up. The rubbish that is in the public trees is unbelievable. If people using Find My Past & Ancestry for their trees ran data error reports on a regular basis they see how bad they were. David -----Original Message----- From: fermanagh-gold-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:fermanagh-gold-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Dave H via Sent: 09 March 2015 3:52 PM To: fermanagh-gold@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: FERMANAGH-GOLD Find My Past & Ancestry I have a Private tree on Ancestry.. it is discoverable, IF you were to get a Hint for someone on my tree then I'm contactable and more than willing to SHARE.. I am NOT willing just to have all and sundry copy it willy nilly.. add ridiculous records to it and hang it out Publicly for all and sundry to Copy it, Distort it! Because of all the IDIOTIC PUBLIC trees on Ancestry it is harder and harder, cloudier and cloudier to find the TRUTH! HELL CAN FREEZE OVER BEFORE I MAKE MY TREE PUBLIC FOR ALL THE IDIOTs OUT THERE to completely corrupt it .. and if you don't get it, then you don't get it! Yes, I do have 100's and 100's on my Tree, siblings of brides/grooms and what they did... simply because families spiral around each other. If you take a Seymour born 1757! She married and their daughter married a Hall in 1810! Following the Seymours (Why?) gets me another Seymour descendant marrying another of my line over 200 years later!! Doing it this way I can find 3rd cousins marrying each other! There are RIDICULOUS trees copied and copied Publicly on Ancestry so unbelievably distorted it's unreal. Not ONE of them are willing to even reply to me.... By totally pulling them apart and actually researching them I have them all straighten out all the way back to Domesday Book... and beyond!! Putting a Public Tree for all and sundry to distort is completely irresponsible!!!!! My Tree has connected people in NZ to people in S.Africa researching their kin because of the names Hints they got via my Private but findable tree on Ancestry.. I have connected a lot of people together researching people I have on my tree because of the Hints people got from my tree! Yes, when I'm stuck I put a Private tree on Ancestry using Guesstimates/Imagination ... IF I get Hints then I know WHAT things that need to be researched. Then after research and only then do I add them to, or ignore them, from my Tree. So... you may find my Tree with only 80 sources for maybe 800 people BUT I do know who the other 720 are, can give them sourced to anyone who connects to them, I only put sources in for my direct line but there is NOT one person on my tree that does not have source(s).. I have records filmed and even some Church records recorded on movie camera simply because I didn't have time to photo page after page.. IF you found a Hint for someone on my tree that is showing as unsourced I can guarantee you I can provide the source!! Why anyone will ridicule me for not putting it up as a Public Tree is beyond me, knowing all the irresponsible people out there... If someone connects then they are welcome to contact me... BUT AS I SAY HELL WILL FREEZE OVER BEFORE THEY JUST TAKE!!!! How dare anyone think they are ENTITLED to take my tree!! DH On 09/03/2015 10:54, Robyn Ritchie via wrote: > I so often read on this list, that some lister's just build > imaginative trees to try and learn * hints * for their own trees, but > aren't willing to put their own trees public online, so others can learn from them. > At the end of the day, I still don't get it. ================================== https://www.google.ie/ ================================== http://www.irishtimes.com/ancestor/placenames/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FERMANAGH-GOLD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Bet he even hung wallpaper! On 09/03/2015 18:46, Ulster Ancestry via wrote: > Richard was certainly a bit of an "all rounder" > Hang a man by the neck until dead today > Fix the Church roof tomorrow > What about Wednesday ? Oh yes, nearly forgot, 6 floggings to do, > > The list may find the Fermanagh assizes of interest > I'm sure they had their very own "Richard" > > best regards > Robert

Robyn, This is the way to go. I am also researching people who were witnesses at Baptisms and Marriages. Anyone who seemed to connect in some way to my ancestors. I have found clues by looking at the associates. Some other family member may have left more information with their descendants. We live in hope! :) Christina Robyn Ritchie via wrote: > I am now researching other families with the > same surnames, who either lived in the same townland or within a few miles > radius. I do this, because I don't know who the siblings are. > But I do know with 100% certainty, that they existed. > Whilst I have not made any real connections yet, it has certainly been very > interesting, seeing evidence of family lines in Fermanagh > moving between townlands, marrying their neighbours (& cousins) and > immigrating to the US/Canada/Australia/NZ with other family > members or their friends who lived close by. I am now going back through > shipping records etc.to see who else was on that ship.

Can anyone help to find Sarah Graydon b.c.1811 d.1891. Her parents, her marriage to George Rogers b.1806 Blackslee d.1848 St Catherines. Both are buried in Belmore Cemetery. Any help would be very much appreciated. Sue Aust.

Richard was certainly a bit of an "all rounder" Hang a man by the neck until dead today Fix the Church roof tomorrow What about Wednesday ? Oh yes, nearly forgot, 6 floggings to do, The list may find the Fermanagh assizes of interest I'm sure they had their very own "Richard" best regards Robert www.ulsterancestry.com > Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2015 18:08:45 +0000 > To: fermanagh-gold@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: FERMANAGH-GOLD a useful man to have around > From: fermanagh-gold@rootsweb.com > > Good general tradesmen are hard to find!! > > Not a single complaint from anyone he hanged to be found. > > DH > > On 09/03/2015 17:41, Ulster Ancestry via wrote: > > January Sessions 1743, to the same {Richard Rickinson}, for his > > > > trouble and expenses in executing > > > > Hugh Condron by hanging, and for whipping several prisoners > > > > who were tried in said County, and for > > > > slating the Session-house, Judges room and the > > > > whole gaol [jail], and all other necessaries [repairs} > > > > that were wanting in said gaol 50 0 0 > > > ================================== > > https://www.google.ie/ > ================================== > http://www.irishtimes.com/ancestor/placenames/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FERMANAGH-GOLD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Good general tradesmen are hard to find!! Not a single complaint from anyone he hanged to be found. DH On 09/03/2015 17:41, Ulster Ancestry via wrote: > January Sessions 1743, to the same {Richard Rickinson}, for his > > trouble and expenses in executing > > Hugh Condron by hanging, and for whipping several prisoners > > who were tried in said County, and for > > slating the Session-house, Judges room and the > > whole gaol [jail], and all other necessaries [repairs} > > that were wanting in said gaol 50 0 0

January Sessions 1743, to the same {Richard Rickinson}, for his trouble and expenses in executing Hugh Condron by hanging, and for whipping several prisoners who were tried in said County, and for slating the Session-house, Judges room and the whole gaol [jail], and all other necessaries [repairs} that were wanting in said gaol 50 0 0 Michaelmas term 1743, to the same, for his extraordinary expense and trouble in pulling down the booths and tents on Gallows- Hill and Stoney Batter, and suppressing the serious riots that ensued at said places 10 0 0 For other records of various County Court proceedings 1739-1743 including a List of all convicted felons and vagabonds who have been ordered for transportation for seven years last past in the several Counties of Cavan, Fermanagh, Tyrone, Donegal, and City and County of Londonderry. see :http://www.ulsterancestry.com/ua-free_Convicts-and-Vagabonds.htmlbest regardsRobertwww.ulsterancestry.com ---------

You probably already know this, but I have read recently that Stinson is a variation of Stephenson or Stevenson. >From a 1831 Enniskillen and Erne Packet newspaper, on FMP. Kathy, in the Division of Enniskillen, a Robert Stinson, alias Stephenson, with house and land, Mullaghmeen Trykennedy,value ₤10, is one of several persons intending to register their Freeholds at the April sessions, 1831. Carole.

All done of course while watching Luigi do an Irsh Jig!! On 09/03/2015 16:59, Cliff. Johnston wrote: > Ah can't believe ah ate the whole thing! ;-)

But they don't even say they don't know!! Just ignore even mentioning it so one doesn't know if they know or not... can't be bothered asking yet again!! Anyway, yes it's funny to see where some on my Halls ended up... even those that never left the country"! Yes have given a few snippets to people too and they knew it was Private... then it went on a Public tree so end of contact as far as I'm concerned... no more snippets!! No damage done as such but enough is enough. Their loss not mine! I won't comment on 'that Little Australian' who started WW2... :-)) DH On 09/03/2015 16:45, caiside@comcast.net wrote: > David, > > I understand your frustration, but sometimes people who grew up in a > country where religion is not a huge issue, where people of different > denominations intermarry regularly, where records are kept by the civil > authorities, don't realize how important religion is to finding records > in Ireland. > > And in many cases they just don't know what their ancestors' religion was. > > But I totally agree with you on keeping trees private on Ancestry. I too > had a similar experience when I gave information to someone about a man > I researched for my local historical society (not a relative)> I was in > contact with one of his descendants, shared what I knew. The next thing > I knew was his information was posted ALONG WITH a bunch of WRONG > information linking him back two generations to another family of the > same name, but a family I had already proved he was not related to. And > of course they had not a shred of source for the conclusion they had > jumped to. So now this mistake is out there and others will see and copy > it. > > My favorite copying disaster though is the one I mentioned recently, in > which someone mistook the three-letter abbreviation for Australia (AUS) > for Austria, and now about six trees on Ancestry have the same info for > this Stinson from Austria and Germany!! who died in Australia! > > Janet C

Hi Dave Well, you have given me an aha moment. We have a mysterious Gabriel Spence who is not mentioned in his father's 1840 will, but we know he existed because he is mentioned in his brother William's 1839 will as "my brother Gabriel". The will suggests that Gabriel doesn't live in Ontario with the rest of the family as it says that Gabriel's portion goes to others if he doesn't come to pick it up within a year. The two oldest sisters named their oldest sons Gabriel. I'd found some FMP newspaper articles about a Gabriel Spence running afoul of the law in Enniskillen in the 1820s and thought that might be the reason for his estrangement from the family. However, your comments have prompted me to think that perhaps he had changed religion due to a mixed marriage and that his parents were the type of parents that you mention. So I will have to look again at the available Gabriels in light of this new thought. Thanks for this insight! Kathy -----Original Message----- From: Dave H via Sent: Monday, March 9, 2015 1:39 AM To: fermanagh-gold@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: FERMANAGH-GOLD religion Probably not far enough for some parents.... Don't forget that even a First Presbyterian marrying a Second Pres was a mixed marriage... Dave.

David, I did see where there were Irish newspapers for Belfast and Dublin on FMP up to 1849. I suppose at that time those papers might have had articles etc from other counties? Bonnie On Sun, Mar 8, 2015 at 10:48 PM, DSA2003 <dsa2003@iinet.net.au> wrote: > > > G’day Bonnie > > FMP has just added a whole new bundle of historic Irish newspapers to its > database. > > < http://blog.findmypast.co.uk/2015/irish-newspaper-update-4/ > > > You should also be aware that a “Search All Records” doesn’t include the > newspapers in its results, except for a link which takes you to a newspaper > results page. > > David Armstrong > > Maylands > Western Australia > > > > ------------------------------ > > > >

Hi All Further to what David has mentioned, FMP has worldwide overseas births of the children of British soldiers. I found some births listed for children born to one of my soldiers in Fort Wellington, Ontario in 1820. Kathy Lowe -----Original Message----- From: DSA2003 via Sent: Sunday, March 8, 2015 8:56 PM To: DSA2003 ; fermanagh-gold@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: FERMANAGH-GOLD Find My Past - The Irish in India? G’day again I’ve just another thought (dangerous isn’t it?). Many Irish enlisted in the East India Company armies as well as being in British Army units in India. FMP now has the Christian records for India on its site. Those of you who watched the “Who Do You Think You Are?” episode on the comedian Alistair McGowan, will know that he started out believing that he was of Scottish descent, with his father being an Anglo-Indian born in Calcutta. Until he got to Calcutta, he apparently thought that “Anglo-Indian” meant his father was a Briton born in India, instead of being of mixed race. McGowan went through the programme looking like a stunned mullet as he was introduced to a whole clan of Anglo-Indian McGowan cousins in an up-country railway town and eventually found out that his earliest McGowan ancestor in India was an Irishman who had enlisted in the East India Company army in the late 1700s and who married a Moslem landowner’s daughter. The Indian records go back to the earliest days of the British in India. So again, another channel to research the Irish diaspora. You never know, but you find out that you’re related to the Kumars at No. 42! :-} David Armstrong Maylands Western Australia From: Bonnie Anderson via Sent: Monday, March 09, 2015 9:36 AM To: FER-GOLD Subject: FERMANAGH-GOLD Find My Past I decided to try this site while it was free. So far I have found the same information for Irish BMD's as I would find on familysearch.org - the same applies for English BMD's. Also I found transcriptions from David Elliott's Devenish Parish Registers. Perhaps someone could advise me the value of subscribing to this site. Bonnie Anderson --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com ================================== https://www.google.ie/ ================================== http://www.irishtimes.com/ancestor/placenames/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FERMANAGH-GOLD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Just a shout out to remind anyone interested in townlands and place-names that there is a lecture on the derivations of place names in the Intec Centre, Enniskillen on Tuesday, 10th March 2015 @ 7:30pm which may interest some people on FG. The speaker is Dr K Muhr of the Ulster Place Name Society and contributor to the Northern Ireland Place Name Project (http://www.placenamesni.org/) It seems to be run by Fermanagh District Council with funding from the OFMDFM. Questions or queries about the event are to be directed to Fiona Crudden in FDC. Clive

Oh Mama Mia... an Irish Catholic in 1800's eating Pizza!! What will the world come to??? :-)) On 09/03/2015 16:26, caiside via wrote: > We used to say the same in the US about Irish Catholics marrying Italian > Catholics.:-) > > Janet

There were several Catholic/Protestant marriages among my own Co Fermanagh ancestors: 1. My GGG Grandmother Letitia Crawford, the daughter of a prosperous, Protestant merchant married the coachman, much to her parent’s dismay. He was poor and Catholic (and unemployed, once they eloped!). Their three daughters (Letitia, Annie, and Mary Jane) and son (Thomas Jr) were born near Enniskillen and raised in the Catholic church. The story passed down in my family from Letitia to her daughter, Annie to her daughter Anna Letitia is that the first Letitia regretted her decision, found living in poverty difficult, and died young. Her parents never forgave her, but may have seen their grandchildren upon occasion (but not often enough to save them from the workhouse in the late 1840s). The 3 girls immigrated to Australia or America between the ages of 14-16 to escape a difficult stepmother and the extreme poverty of the famine years. 2. At least two, and possibly all three of Letitia Crawford Connelly’s daughters married Protestant men. (1) Letitia Connelly (ca 1834-1899) married William Hayes, an immigrant from England, in Melbourne in 1856. (2) Mary Jane Connelly (ca 1836-1907) and her husband Peter Wilfong both joined the Methodist Church in Philadelphia, PA. and (3) Annie Connelly (1841-1899) who immigrated to Australia when she was only 14, married a Lutheran immigrant from Prussia, John Schnellan Pfeil in the Independent Church of Prahran, VIC in 1859. They agreed to raise their sons to be Lutheran and their daughters to be Catholic although many of their son’s descendants became Catholic 3. My Catholic Gr Grandfather, Henry Curran was born near Enniskillen in 1838. He immigrated to Queensland, Australia where he married Ann Weldon (who was also a Catholic from Enniskillen) on Apr 16

Yes people had a lot more freedom when they left Ireland BUT for trying to find people/records IN Ireland helpers need some idea of what religion they might have been IN IRELAND!! Personally I have given up trying to help people in other counties, left the list/boards simply because of the number that can't be bothered including everything that might HELP THE HELPER to find people! ON SOME, WHEN A ROLL CALL WAS MADE THEY WERE TOLD clearly to include religion... post after post after post with a pile of WAFFLE about what they did outside Ireland... ALL TOTALLY IRRELEVANT to finding stuff in/for Ireland... and only TOTALLY IRRELEVANT to finding stuff in/for Ireland. Half the time I couldn't make out who or what they were looking for IN IRELAND.....and the vast amount chose to ignore how CRUCIAL it is to include Religion.. even what Religion they were outside Ireland. Now I basically ignore posts where people choose to omit religion or pointers to probable religion in Ireland as it has been posted over and over again how IMPORTANT it is! If people don't want to HELP THE HELPERS then what do they expect the helpers to do?????? DH On 09/03/2015 12:24, DSA2003 via wrote: > (Given the discussion about changing religion earlier today, I thought I’d add that the Incumbent of this parish for whose family I’m searching, was Isaac Hellmuth, a Polish Jew who converted to the Church of England and Ireland, and ended his career as Bishop of Huron). > > > David Armstrong > > Maylands > Western Australia