Most probably already found Vi. PRONI would be one of the first places to go when researching kin. DH. On 18/03/2015 10:25, Viola Wiggins via wrote: >>From www.proni.gov.uk Wills Cals > > Probate of the Will of Job Wilson late of Trory County Fermanagh Farmer who > died 2 December 1914 granted at Armagh to Thomas Wilson and Robert Wilson > Farmers > >

52 g/stones for Wilson in Fermanagh on IGP. Have you checked those? DH On 18/03/2015 10:03, David Palin wrote: > Religion is church of Ireland > > -----Original Message----- > From: fermanagh-gold-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:fermanagh-gold-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Dave H via > Sent: 18 March 2015 9:53 AM > To: fermanagh-gold@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: FERMANAGH-GOLD Job Wilson > > RELIGION? >

>From www.proni.gov.uk Wills Cals Probate of the Will of Job Wilson late of Trory County Fermanagh Farmer who died 2 December 1914 granted at Armagh to Thomas Wilson and Robert Wilson Farmers --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com

Seems they were C of I Vi... so C of I g/yards On 18/03/2015 10:09, Viola Wiggins via wrote: > David > WILSON, Job md. Margaret ANDERSON and their daughter Eva Maude WILSON, bn. > 30 Dec 1873 Enniskillen. I suspect they were Methodist. > > Viola

David WILSON, Job md. Margaret ANDERSON and their daughter Eva Maude WILSON, bn. 30 Dec 1873 Enniskillen. I suspect they were Methodist. Viola --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com

Religion is church of Ireland -----Original Message----- From: fermanagh-gold-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:fermanagh-gold-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Dave H via Sent: 18 March 2015 9:53 AM To: fermanagh-gold@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: FERMANAGH-GOLD Job Wilson RELIGION? On 18/03/2015 09:18, David Palin via wrote: > Hi Folks > > > > Has anybody come across the death and burial place of a Job Wilson? In > the > 1911 census he is living in Greentown, Florence Court, Fermanagh. He > is 73 and living with his wife Mary Jane nee Elliot and daughter > Emily. In the cancelled pages he has plot 8 in Greentown until 1929 > when it is transferred to Emily Trimble which may be his daughter but I don't know. > > > > Thanks > > > > David ================================== https://www.google.ie/ ================================== http://www.irishtimes.com/ancestor/placenames/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FERMANAGH-GOLD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

RELIGION? On 18/03/2015 09:18, David Palin via wrote: > Hi Folks > > > > Has anybody come across the death and burial place of a Job Wilson? In the > 1911 census he is living in Greentown, Florence Court, Fermanagh. He is 73 > and living with his wife Mary Jane nee Elliot and daughter Emily. In the > cancelled pages he has plot 8 in Greentown until 1929 when it is transferred > to Emily Trimble which may be his daughter but I don't know. > > > > Thanks > > > > David

Hi Folks Has anybody come across the death and burial place of a Job Wilson? In the 1911 census he is living in Greentown, Florence Court, Fermanagh. He is 73 and living with his wife Mary Jane nee Elliot and daughter Emily. In the cancelled pages he has plot 8 in Greentown until 1929 when it is transferred to Emily Trimble which may be his daughter but I don't know. Thanks David

BTW, O'Herlihy is "on" the FB group for R.I.C. He answered a question I had about where Reserve men served (Dublin). I then asked (since he popped up) if he might put his book on CD since it is out of print and expensive. No answer. LOL Chris John Olson-Kennedy wrote: > > This stuff is indeed confusing. Here's what I've hobbled together, based on > what the PSNI provided for the one record that I have and from one of Mr. > Herlihy's books: > > Promotions/Reductions: > > P.I.S/C = Promotion from Sub-Constable 2nd Class to Sub-Constable 1st Class > R.I.S/C = Reduction from Sub-Constable 1st Class back to Sub-Constable 2nd > Class (confusing!!) > > Rewards: > > 3 F/R =3rd Class Favourable Reward > H.Y.S = Half-Yearly Supplement, which indicated publication of an award in > the twice-yearly RIC's 'magazine' that all the men received. > > Here's what I *think* may be the ranks, but not 100% sure.... > > Ranks: > > Pre-1883 After 1883 > ==================================================== > Sub-Constable 2nd Class Constable > Sub-Constable 1st Class Constable > Acting Constable Acting Sergeant > Constable Sergeant > Head Constable Head Constable > Sub-Inspector 3rd Class Sub-Inspector 3rd Class > > A rank followed by "(M)", meant he was in one of the Mounted Troops.

On Saturday, our Ottawa genealogy society had a real treat. Fintàn Mullan and Gillian Hunt lectured to us all day. We were the first stop on their North American Tour. We had over 200 people both morning and afternoon. I was very lucky to be able to tour them around Ottawa, Canada's capital. Today they were in Pennsylvania. They will be in Virginia, Tennessee and the west coast e.g California.-other places in both eastern U.S. and western U.S. So....catch them if you can. Their tour schedule is listed on their website. Anne Sterling-BIFHSGO member

Yes Dave. I think the 'they have connections' is the issue. My man was connected via his wife, I've just realised. Her sister had moved to Co Wicklow from the Cavan/Monaghan area.  On Sunday, March 15, 2015 5:30 PM, Dave H via <fermanagh-gold@rootsweb.com> wrote: Royal Irish Constabulary The minimum age on entry was 19 and the minimum height was 5' 9", but these were lowered to 18 and 5' 8" for sons of policemen. There was also a minimum chest measurement of 36", which was increased to 37" if the applicant was 5' 11" or taller. Members could not serve in their native counties and had to have at least 7 years service before getting married. The intended wife had to be vetted by the superior officers before getting married. If permission to marry was obtained, the couple were transferred to a county where neither had relatives. The highest ranks down to and including District Inspector constituted the officers. Head Constables and Sergeants were non-commissioned officers (NCOs). Those of Constable rank were below this and were known as "the men". The ranks for the men and NCOs changed slightly in 1883. Prior to 1883, the starting rank was Sub Constable Second Class. The first promotion was to Sub Constable First Class, then Acting Constable, then Constable, then Head Constable, and then Sub Inspector Third Class. After 1883, the starting rank was changed to Constable, progressing to Acting Sergeant, Sergeant, Head Constable, and then Sub Inspector Third Class. ------------------------------------- I reckon the con'd is a note of where "they have connections"! So not to be posted there! ================================== https://www.google.ie/ ================================== http://www.irishtimes.com/ancestor/placenames/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FERMANAGH-GOLD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I reckon so... just where family connections are! Are you working from an original, as often transcriptions can leave out stuff thought to be irrelevant. Have seen old typed out g/stones recorded and townlands left out!! DH On 15/03/2015 18:55, Christina Hunt wrote: > One of the men (Keeran) is single though, so I think the connection > could be through anything/anyone. > Interesting. I never noticed that column. The page I have with "my man" > has nothing in that column for anyone. > > Chris

Genealogy The Police Museum holds microfilm copies of the Royal Irish Constabulary service records 1822-1922, the originals of which are held at the Public Record Office at Kew in London. We can search for individuals and supply their service record at a charge of £25 per search. Information requested usually includes: Constabulary number Name Age on joining (or date of birth) Height Religion Date of appointment Native County Name of person recommending for the Constabulary Trade or calling on joining Places served with dates Promotions Awards Punishments Injuries Date of marriage (if married in service) Native County of wife Please note that as these service registers were held centrally, geographical areas lower than counties are not given. For the ranks of Sergeant and above more information may be available from the printed Royal Irish Constabulary Lists held at the museum. For this search a fee of £25 is required as this is very time consuming. If you require a search to be carried out, send us a cheque or money order in Sterling (GBP) or pay online using PayPalexternal link opens new window - please offer payment to museum@psni.police.uk Please email us with your request No requests will be commenced until we receive payment.

....which to me says where his wife has connection with!! should read... ....which to me says where either he or his wife has connection with!! -------- Forwarded Message -------- Subject: http://homepage.eircom.net/~oflannery/ca/ipolice/RIC.htm Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2015 17:26:03 +0000 From: Dave H <"hallmarkone"@gmail.com> To: fermanagh-gold@rootsweb.com <fermanagh-gold@rootsweb.com> http://homepage.eircom.net/~oflannery/ca/ipolice/RIC.htm has some records where one might glean some knowledge.... one shows.. Catholic; married on 3rd Jul 1904; wife from County Leitrim (connected in Cavan and Armagh) which to me says where his wife has connection with!! Dave

Royal Irish Constabulary The minimum age on entry was 19 and the minimum height was 5' 9", but these were lowered to 18 and 5' 8" for sons of policemen. There was also a minimum chest measurement of 36", which was increased to 37" if the applicant was 5' 11" or taller. Members could not serve in their native counties and had to have at least 7 years service before getting married. The intended wife had to be vetted by the superior officers before getting married. If permission to marry was obtained, the couple were transferred to a county where neither had relatives. The highest ranks down to and including District Inspector constituted the officers. Head Constables and Sergeants were non-commissioned officers (NCOs). Those of Constable rank were below this and were known as "the men". The ranks for the men and NCOs changed slightly in 1883. Prior to 1883, the starting rank was Sub Constable Second Class. The first promotion was to Sub Constable First Class, then Acting Constable, then Constable, then Head Constable, and then Sub Inspector Third Class. After 1883, the starting rank was changed to Constable, progressing to Acting Sergeant, Sergeant, Head Constable, and then Sub Inspector Third Class. ------------------------------------- I reckon the con'd is a note of where "they have connections"! So not to be posted there!

http://homepage.eircom.net/~oflannery/ca/ipolice/RIC.htm has some records where one might glean some knowledge.... one shows.. Catholic; married on 3rd Jul 1904; wife from County Leitrim (connected in Cavan and Armagh) which to me says where his wife has connection with!! Dave

Chris The people at the Museum should be able to help.... The Museum is still closed I think but their email address is on this page... http://garda.ie/Controller.aspx?Page=2283&Lang=1 If you were to contact them seeking clarification of these abbreviations they should be able to assist.. just introduce yourself, give examples of the stuff that is on IGP with a link or two, explain what you're trying to do, etc. Make it clear you're NOT looking for lookups as you'll get a reply they don't do lookups!! That way you might get an offer of lookups... :-)) There's a way of doing things and a way of not doing things! Dave. On 15/03/2015 15:04, Christina Hunt via wrote: > John, > Do you have a list of abbreviations for ranks. I tried to find this on the web > but what I found did not correspond to some of the abbreviations. I was > thinking of adding it to our R.I.C. pages for researchers. > > BTW, my search for an RIC Constable came from a family member who said my > husband's ancestor was Police Chief of Dublin. LOL > > Chris

Me? We are using microfilm. Not transcriptions. Maybe you didn't mean that for me though. :) We don't transcribe the second page with awards and pensions etc. Largely because of the amount of computer space to copy and hold both pages. And time to copy/transcribe what often looks like a bunch of abbreviations. Chris Dave H via wrote: > Are you working from an original, as often transcriptions can leave out > stuff thought to be irrelevant.

Cheers John. Interesting, if complicated. Many thanks for that extra info about rank. He was a sergeant on his daughter's marriage cert, but constable in the records (albeit with one promotion). So THAT mystery is solved.  Jean On Sunday, March 15, 2015 2:54 PM, John Olson-Kennedy <semathi@softhome.net> wrote: Hi again Jean, Happy to assist.  Perhaps the answer to which theory is correct can be found in one of Jim Herlihy's books on the RIC, such as "Royal Irish Constabulary Officers:  A Biological Dictionay and Genealogical Guide, 1816-1922". I cannot comment on the age requirements, but I was told this by the PSNI Museum on the height requirement, that the regulations changed over time: The regulation height for admission to the Constabulary during the 19th century was 5' 8" (as in The Constabulary Code Standing Rules and Regulations 1860, 1872 and 1888). The increase in admission height to 5' 9" first appears in the Constabulary Code of 1900. Unfortunately, the above information is *not* contained in another of Mr. Herlihy's books, "The Royal Irish Constabulary:  A Complete Alphabetical List of Officers and Men, 1816-1922", which only states that the minimum height was 5'9", except in the case of sons of RIC men, who were accepted at 5'8".  The height requirement also confused me as my gg-grandfather was 5'8" but his father was not in the RIC. Another key point that the PSNI museum was able to sort out for me was the rank.  Family lore had passed down the title of "Sargent O'Neill" for my gg-grandfather, but the records show his highest rank as constable.  The museum was able to tell me that the ranks were changed in 1883 so that what had been a constable by the old system was a sargent under the new. Regards, John On 2015/03/15 04:46 , Jean Bleakney via wrote: Thanks to all for your thoughts. John, that sounds like a possibility. He was Monaghan-born, but he was 18yrs and five foot eight-and-a-quarter inches at conscription. I'm led to believe that is below the minimum requirements (19yrs, 5' 9") for all except the son of a serving RIC man. So maybe he had a Wicklow parent. Killyfole, likewise if he had a serving father, he might have started out somewhere remote. Thanks indeedJean  On Saturday, March 14, 2015 7:58 PM, Killyfole and District Development Association <gold@fermanaghroots.com> wrote: It is short for Converted, probably where he enrolled and trained.  Basically it is military slang for converting a civilian to a position in the armed services. ================================== https://www.google.ie/ ================================== http://www.irishtimes.com/ancestor/placenames/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FERMANAGH-GOLD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

One of the men (Keeran) is single though, so I think the connection could be through anything/anyone. Interesting. I never noticed that column. The page I have with "my man" has nothing in that column for anyone. Chris Dave H via wrote: > one shows.. Catholic; married on 3rd Jul 1904; wife from County Leitrim > (connected in Cavan and Armagh) > > which to me says where his wife has connection with!!