> see See here.... > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Episcopal_see Thank you so much David and David (the two D's :-)) Carole. > > >

Hi David, Do you happen to know Job's father's name? Thanks, Ellen in Fl

"See Lands of Raphoe" held under the immediate Tenant of the Ecclesiastical Commissioners, who has purchased the perpetuity. I am looking for an explanation about "See Lands." Church lands, but what does "See" mean? My townland of interest is Makenny, on the Fermanagh/Magheracross and Tyrone/Kilskeery border. Information about this townland is usually found in Fermanagh, as it is closer to the towns of Irvinestown and Ballinamallard, also the parishes of Magheracross and Kilskeery were united between 1622 and 1756. The above "See Lands of Raphoe" is included in both 1813 and 1838 sale notices for Makenny, in the Tyrone Parish of Kilskeery. Wikipedia - Raphoe The town lends its name to both the Roman Catholic and Church of Ireland dioceses, which covers nearly all, except the very southern section of County Donegal including Inishowen as well as County Londonderry and northern section of County Tyrone. Raphoe's status has declined significantly in recent centuries however, with the Anglican diocese being merged with Derry, while the Roman Catholic bishop now has his See in the larger town of Letterkenny. Thanks, Carole E.

> Just wondering if someone can check this Ancestry board > > http://boards.ancestry.co.uk/localities.britisles.ireland.mog.general/mb.ashx > > When I do, I get messages up to most recent post of 28 Feb 2002... > Just wondering if Ancestry is playing up! Dave, I asked for records after 2002 on that same site and stopped when they reached 2006, (not knowing what year you were after???) Carole.

See is another word for Diocese, Carole David Armstrong Maylands Western Australia From: CARELL via Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2015 8:52 AM To: fermanagh-gold@rootsweb.com Cc: NIR-TYRONE@rootsweb.com Subject: FERMANAGH-GOLD See Lands. "See Lands of Raphoe" held under the immediate Tenant of the Ecclesiastical Commissioners, who has purchased the perpetuity. I am looking for an explanation about "See Lands." Church lands, but what does "See" mean? Thanks, Carole E. --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com

The best way to get them all is to try and see if one can get an Inter Library Of Beryl Eustace's books. They are on same site as the 1901/11 Census BUT if one reads what is there it implies the ones for Northern Ireland are at PRONI.. this is NOT the case.. There are 100's there for Fermanagh and other Counties. Go to PRONI site and it reads the ones for Ulster are there... BUT they even have some for Kerry! Don't think PRONI ones are on line. They are all mixed up...... DH On 19/03/2015 02:40, Marge Rossini wrote: > I should know this, but where are the pension applications for Northern > Ireland? Are they online? > > Slán, > Marge in Southern California > > Searching: > Golden, Sullivan, Kelly, Shea, in Kerry and Connecticut > O'Connor in Kerry > Fee, Cassidy, Gilbride in Fermanagh, Cavan and Connecticut > Lynch in Kildare, Limerick and Connecticut > Walsh, Stackpole, Garry/Garrey/McGarrey, Donovan, Doyle, > Clowney/Clooney, King in Kildare

Si, Si Senorita, see See here.... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Episcopal_see On 19/03/2015 00:52, CARELL via wrote: > "See Lands of Raphoe" held under the immediate Tenant of the Ecclesiastical Commissioners, > who has purchased the perpetuity. > > I am looking for an explanation about "See Lands." Church lands, but what does "See" mean? > My townland of interest is Makenny, on the Fermanagh/Magheracross and Tyrone/Kilskeery border. > Information about this townland is usually found in Fermanagh, as it is closer to the towns of Irvinestown > and Ballinamallard, also the parishes of Magheracross and Kilskeery were united between 1622 and 1756. > > The above "See Lands of Raphoe" is included in both 1813 and 1838 sale notices for Makenny, in the > Tyrone Parish of Kilskeery. > > Wikipedia - Raphoe > The town lends its name to both the Roman Catholic and Church of Ireland dioceses, > which covers nearly all, except the very southern section of County Donegal including Inishowen > as well as County Londonderry and northern section of County Tyrone. > Raphoe's status has declined significantly in recent centuries however, with the Anglican diocese > being merged with Derry, while the Roman Catholic bishop now has his See in the larger town of Letterkenny. > > Thanks, > Carole E. > >

Just wanted to check recent posts Carole. Not after anything specific but was wondering about gremlins! The wee gremlins, dressed in Celtic dress, can turn up anywhere after Paddy's Day!! Dave. On 19/03/2015 00:06, CARELL wrote: > Dave, I asked for records after 2002 on that same site and stopped when they > reached 2006, (not knowing what year you were after???) > Carole.

Indeed Vi... one Campbell one took 108 years!! Millions and Millions and my Margaret got £5..... grrrrrrrrr! :-)) The resealed ones can "be interesting" especially if still resealed! Currently waiting on a Marriage Agreement from 1780's, so worth looking at them too. So much on line... and Griffith books coming on line in 4 weeks or so. 10 weeks apparently until all the RC are released... barring gremlins, which there probably will be.... Sure have been massive changes in last few years with so much now on line. Dave. On 18/03/2015 23:50, Viola Wiggins via wrote: > Search for a Will or Letters of Administration. Those were not always processed immediately. I've known them be years after the death. > > Viola

Thanks Chris.. probably some Shamrock jammed in the gears!! On 18/03/2015 23:45, Christina Finn Hunt wrote: > That is what I see too. > Chris

Dave I get the same and it works backward from 2002 2001 etc. So there is a time lag. Vi > Just wondering if someone can check this Ancestry board > > http://boards.ancestry.co.uk/localities.britisles.ireland.mog.general/mb.ashx > > When I do, I get messages up to most recent post of 28 Feb 2002... > > Just wondering if Ancestry is playing up! --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com

Certificates are important. Your own birth Certificate gives the names of your parents, Your Father's occupation and date and place you were born.. That could be either your mother's own parish or where your parents worshiped. Your Parent's marriage certificate gives each of their fathers' names [your 4 G'parents] and where their marriage took place. [usually in Bride's paish] and your parents ages if under 21 at the time. Your Parent's Birth certificates gives both their Parents' names. And if alive or deceased on the date of the event. Find your G'parents Marriage Certificates and their Death certificates. Their Marriage Certificates will give their parent's names. [Your 8 GG'parents] Look for Announcements in Newspapers. Search for a Will or Letters of Administration. Those were not always processed immediately. I've known them be years after the death. Viola --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com

Yes PRONI would be one of the Primary places to search, wouldn't be surprised if there was a Will for father either, or mother. Then there's the Pension applications to see of father applied for a Pension..or mother etc. PRONI would be mentioned regularly and also Pension Applications, another thing to check is Ulster Covenant. Pretty hard not to find people these days with so much on line. DH On 18/03/2015 17:16, David Palin via wrote: > Thanks for all the replies about my Job Wilson. > > I had seen the death in 1914 but had discounted him as he was 10 years too > old. The suggestion of looking on the PRONI website made me think 'why > didn't I think about that'.

David. The ref to the death I found in Wills Calanders PRONI which is searchable on line. GRONI on line records are cheap considering how much even a short journey costs today. Parking alone would cost more. Job was not a very largely used name so there MIGHT have been a relationship there. Remember that Age at death on a certificate is what the person registering the death THOUGHT the dead person was. Anyone feeling about in the dark can only give their findings, then the enquirer can prove or disprove what has been found. BDM Certificates can contain untruths as well regarding ages. But they are important to prove who the FATHER was. Births had to be registered within a certain time after the event. If the deadline was missed the birth date was adjusted to suit. Church Registers do not always records birth dates only baptismal dates in some cases. Also depending how the record of who the mother was. Very often just the given name of the mother and the surname missed out. It depended on the Clerk or the Cleric. Viola --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com

Just wondering if someone can check this Ancestry board http://boards.ancestry.co.uk/localities.britisles.ireland.mog.general/mb.ashx When I do, I get messages up to most recent post of 28 Feb 2002... Just wondering if Ancestry is playing up! DH

That is what I see too. Chris On Mar 18, 2015 4:21 PM, "Dave H via" <fermanagh-gold@rootsweb.com> wrote: > Just wondering if someone can check this Ancestry board > > > http://boards.ancestry.co.uk/localities.britisles.ireland.mog.general/mb.ashx > > When I do, I get messages up to most recent post of 28 Feb 2002... > > Just wondering if Ancestry is playing up! > > > DH > ================================== > > https://www.google.ie/ > ================================== > http://www.irishtimes.com/ancestor/placenames/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > FERMANAGH-GOLD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I should know this, but where are the pension applications for Northern Ireland? Are they online? Slán, Marge in Southern California Searching: Golden, Sullivan, Kelly, Shea, in Kerry and Connecticut O'Connor in Kerry Fee, Cassidy, Gilbride in Fermanagh, Cavan and Connecticut Lynch in Kildare, Limerick and Connecticut Walsh, Stackpole, Garry/Garrey/McGarrey, Donovan, Doyle, Clowney/Clooney, King in Kildare On Wed, Mar 18, 2015 at 4:49 PM, Dave H via <fermanagh-gold@rootsweb.com> wrote: > Yes PRONI would be one of the Primary places to search, wouldn't be > surprised if there was a Will for father either, or mother. > > Then there's the Pension applications to see of father applied for a > Pension..or mother etc. > > PRONI would be mentioned regularly and also Pension Applications, > another thing to check is Ulster Covenant. > > Pretty hard not to find people these days with so much on line. > > > DH > > > On 18/03/2015 17:16, David Palin via wrote: > > Thanks for all the replies about my Job Wilson. > > > > I had seen the death in 1914 but had discounted him as he was 10 years > too > > old. > > > The suggestion of looking on the PRONI website made me think 'why > > didn't I think about that'. > > > ================================== > > https://www.google.ie/ > ================================== > http://www.irishtimes.com/ancestor/placenames/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > FERMANAGH-GOLD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Folks Thanks for all the replies about my Job Wilson. I had seen the death in 1914 but had discounted him as he was 10 years too old. The suggestion of looking on the PRONI website made me think 'why didn't I think about that'. The PRONI website tells me that they don't do births, marriages and deaths they are all held in the GRONI and are now available to view on line from 1868 to 1972. You need to a small amount of credits which cost £0.40 each to do a search but then you can view the results free. If you find a result which you think is what you are looking for you can view the full certificate for 5 credits. Thanks once again for all the replies, I have now found the death of my Job Wilson in January 1931 at the age of 94 and Emily married William Trimble in August 1923. David

1,056 posts in the Archives for WILSON OF Fermanagh there might be stuff among that lot for your Wilsons... archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/search?aop&path=FERMANAGH-GOLD just put in Surname. DH On 18/03/2015 10:03, David Palin wrote: > Religion is church of Ireland > > -----Original Message----- > From: fermanagh-gold-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:fermanagh-gold-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Dave H via > Sent: 18 March 2015 9:53 AM > To: fermanagh-gold@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: FERMANAGH-GOLD Job Wilson > > RELIGION? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 18/03/2015 09:18, David Palin via wrote: >> Hi Folks >> >> >> >> Has anybody come across the death and burial place of a Job Wilson? In >> the >> 1911 census he is living in Greentown, Florence Court, Fermanagh. He >> is 73 and living with his wife Mary Jane nee Elliot and daughter >> Emily. In the cancelled pages he has plot 8 in Greentown until 1929 >> when it is transferred to Emily Trimble which may be his daughter but I > don't know. >> >> >> >> Thanks >> >> >> >> David > > > ================================== > > https://www.google.ie/ > ================================== > http://www.irishtimes.com/ancestor/placenames/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > FERMANAGH-GOLD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > . > -- Anything on these pages and ANY PHOTOGRAPHS on internet sites are my intellectual property. You are free to copy and to redistribute UNMODIFIED copies for non-commercial purposes without restriction from me, provided consent has been requested AND granted! Small quotations ("fair use") should include a citation that includes reference to URL to which I have contributed and to which I claim shared copyright to under the 90 year rule. Any other use should be consistent with normal international copyright law! Those with some legal expertise may wish to examine the extensive Copyright Law Materials from the Legal Information Institute of the Cornell Law School.

Hi, This is interesting. My g.g. grandmother was Elizabeth Watterson. In the Watterson family there are boys/men named Noble Watterson from Fermanagh. Wattersons who went to Pennsylvania in 1841, have a Noble Watterson, the family who went to North Gower near Ottawa Canada in 1848 have a Noble Wattrerson, and my family in Ireland have a Noble Watterson. Have you done the autosomal dna test with familytreedna??? If you have look for Laura Ashman, Emily Sterling, myself and Elsie Rogan. Also look for a Freda Fulton and Janet Scott. Anne Sterling -----Original Message----- From: Karen Howard via Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2015 9:21 AM To: James Noble ; fermanagh-gold@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: FERMANAGH-GOLD DNA testing This is exactly my problem. I think it's because of the lack of records in Fermanagh. I'm looking for a couple (surnames Graham and Weir) who were born in 1787 and 1797, married in 1818 and emigrated to Canada in 1822. Would love to know where in Fermanagh they came from! At the beginning of my DNA search so I'm hopeful! And perhaps something will come up as more records are indexed. Good luck to you in your search! I can relate!!! - Karen Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 27, 2015, at 9:50 PM, James Noble via <fermanagh-gold@rootsweb.com> > wrote: > > I have been tested by FTDNA for Y chromosome markers, and have found it > gives tantalizing but so far not useful results. > > I am descended from John Francis Noble, born (somewhere) in Co. Fermanagh > in > 1847 or 1848. He came to America as an unaccompanied child in 1853 and was > raised in Connecticut by people surnamed Scollon. He married a woman named > Moran from Co. Leitrim in Connecticut in 1868 and had three sons, named > William Francis, John Francis, and James Thomas. His wife¹s brother was > named James Thomas Moran, I presume the third son was named after him. > Perhaps my John¹s father in Ireland was named William or John. > > The problem, of course, is that we know nothing of John Francis Noble¹s > family in Fermanagh. His birth or christening is not listed in any online > databases. I have searched FHL microfilm without success. For some time, I > considered the possibility that his surname was mistranscribed or > invented. > > So, I was delighted to find through FTDNA two men named John Noble, one in > Canada and one in Australia, who are a 67-marker match with me. Both are > descended from Co. Fermanagh. This fixes the correctness of the surname > and > also the correctness of the origin in Fermanagh of my 2x GGF. > Unfortunately, > both of my Y chromosome relatives are in the same situation as myself in > that they do not know details of their Fermanagh families of origin. > > In any event, there are many Nobles from Fermanagh and from Scotland who > match me at 12 and 35 markers. I am hoping that some day, someone will be > tested who matches me at 67 and who knows something of my John Noble¹s > family. > > > ================================== > > https://www.google.ie/ > ================================== > http://www.irishtimes.com/ancestor/placenames/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > FERMANAGH-GOLD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ================================== https://www.google.ie/ ================================== http://www.irishtimes.com/ancestor/placenames/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FERMANAGH-GOLD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message