> Carole wanted a message if Tyrone Freeholders can be found so I sent > message! > Someone might actually be interested in where they can be found.. they > are on PRONI. > http://applications.proni.gov.uk/Freeholders/AdvancedSearch.aspx > Just put in Surname and Tyrone.. OR Tyrone to get them all. > > Dave, the Proni Freeholder link you have given, is for freeholders before 1800. The Kilskeery, Tyrone freeholder list I would like to find, is the one listed in the Irish newpapers in the years 1829/1831/1835 or thereabouts. I listed the pages for Fermanagh, they were published in 1829. Carole. > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

Sorry I have left this so late before this request. I am going to be in Dublin at NLI all next week (Mon 23rd-Fri 27th Mar) doing a "Data Capture" exercise of Balfour Deeds, Leases, Rent Rolls & Estate Maps. I have already Pre Ordered and received back some of the stuff I want, but still have to photograph all the leases etc: There will be no time to read or study much. Time will be taken up carefully opening documents and preparation to photograph, so will be slow repetitive work. If anyone living in Dublin area is at a loose end next week, I would love to meet you and any help would be gratefully excepted. The following week (Mon 30th Mar - Thur 2nd Apr) I will be at PRONI in Belfast to do the same thing, with the same time consuming problems. PRONI have agreed to me Using a digital camera as I am collecting so much stuff. So if anyone can help.... The aim is to produce databases of Names, Townlands, Dates and any other info that may be useful. The images I am taking will not be released for copyright reasons, and will only be used for transcription/Data collection purposes by me. Again the preparation to Photograph will be the "time" problem so there will be no time for research "On site". When completed, I will be requesting the relevant "Permission to Publish" and putting the databases on FG & IGP. What's the point? Most Church records don't exist before 1800, but some of the documents I am collecting from go back to the early 1600's. The potential data can then be supplemented with Wills and Land Registry etc: This project will not be a quick one and will take me several months to produce anything useable, ask anyone who has attempted to read some of these old Documents. Just as a teaser, from the information I have already had back from NLI, I have been able to prove without doubt that My family were at the Townland I have traced links back too in 1729. I am hoping that among the leases I will be collecting there will be information going further back. Also from 2 of the leases I already have, I have established family links to 2 other areas of Fermanagh where the Surname is known to have settled. I doubt 20 helpers would be tolerated by NLI or PRONI, one per day would be good though. So if you're in the area and looking for an un-exiting several hours to open and close documents then I would be most grateful. I will be flying to Dublin tomorrow night, so I have a very small window for emails from anyone interested in giving me a hand. John Gardiner

Yes, one wonders what was going on towards the end of your sample..... On 21/03/2015 11:23 AM, Dave H via wrote: > Well it's as good a reason as any as to why the handwriting is so poor!! > > > > On 21/03/2015 00:19, Eilish wrote: >> Dave, I salute you! >> Eilish >> >> On 21/03/2015 11:01 AM, Dave H via wrote: >>> Well I was going to say... Oh especially when they were sitting on the >>> bosses knee!! "considering the bosses and secretaries in those days were >>> men!" >>> >>> Dave. > > ================================== > > https://www.google.ie/ > ================================== > http://www.irishtimes.com/ancestor/placenames/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FERMANAGH-GOLD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Thank you, Marge, Surprisingly legible - and I note a Magauran form Templeport, wow, could be one of mine. The comments all over the margins are fascinating. Dee. -----Original Message----- From: fermanagh-gold-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:fermanagh-gold-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Marge Rossini via Sent: Saturday, 21 March 2015 11:15 AM To: fermanagh-gold Subject: FERMANAGH-GOLD A whole page of applications here!! Check this out: https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1951-33806-7479-72?cc=2340880 Slán, Marge in Southern California Searching: Golden, Sullivan, Kelly, Shea, in Kerry and Connecticut O'Connor in Kerry Fee, Cassidy, Gilbride in Fermanagh, Cavan and Connecticut Lynch in Kildare, Limerick and Connecticut Walsh, Stackpole, Garry/Garrey/McGarrey, Donovan, Doyle, Clowney/Clooney, King in Kildare ================================== https://www.google.ie/ ================================== http://www.irishtimes.com/ancestor/placenames/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FERMANAGH-GOLD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Tried to do it that way, Dave, but couldn't see the magnification button on the tool bar. It needed to be enlarged! :) PRONI: Just as well, imagine all those choccy crumbs on the desks and scattered across the floor. Too easy to trace naughty folks by their chocolate thumb-prints all over the books and files. You and Vi best just visit online! Dee. -----Original Message----- From: fermanagh-gold-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:fermanagh-gold-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Dave H via Sent: Saturday, 21 March 2015 11:17 AM To: fermanagh-gold@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: FERMANAGH-GOLD Tyrone Freeholders Oh... Joe will need a Secretary! Of course you could have just done it in Font 12 and just viewed it magnified to View at 120% on your screen! :-)) PRONI is a great resource but they don't have choc biccies!! Dave. On 21/03/2015 00:59, Dee Byster-Graham wrote: > Obviously not often enough! > > Wrote to Joe Snow (Cork) yesterday, had to type the letter in font 14 > so I could see all the mistakes - poor Joe, about 15 pages of A4 to > plough through. > Lovely man that he is, he shall probably simply put it down to having > a daft Colonial 4th cousin, and I shall have to send the blessed > thing parcel > post.:) > > Seriously great resource, the Freeholder's List! > Kindly, > Dee. ================================== https://www.google.ie/ ================================== http://www.irishtimes.com/ancestor/placenames/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FERMANAGH-GOLD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Dave, I salute you! Eilish On 21/03/2015 11:01 AM, Dave H via wrote: > Well I was going to say... Oh especially when they were sitting on the > bosses knee!! "considering the bosses and secretaries in those days were > men!" > > Dave. > > > > > On 20/03/2015 23:45, Eilish wrote: >> You know, I thought you'd outdone yourself with the "Si, si , Senorita >> "one, but I was so very wrong! :-) >> >> Eilish >> On 21/03/2015 8:58 AM, Dave H via wrote: >>> Oh especially when they were sitting on the bosses knee!! >>> >>> Dave >>> >>> On 20/03/2015 21:51, Dee Byster-Graham wrote: >>>> More difficult to read that 16th century 'secretary hand' isn't it! >>>> >>>> Dee. > > ================================== > > https://www.google.ie/ > ================================== > http://www.irishtimes.com/ancestor/placenames/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FERMANAGH-GOLD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

On 21/03/2015 03:54, CARELL via wrote: > Another item I remember listed both the Magaurans and the Slowys together, in trouble with the Law!! > Carole. > Oh probably some nosey neighbour complained about them dragging each other up the road by the hair and shooting each other etc... Probably just jealous about them having a wee bit of fun!! DH

Obviously not often enough! Wrote to Joe Snow (Cork) yesterday, had to type the letter in font 14 so I could see all the mistakes - poor Joe, about 15 pages of A4 to plough through. Lovely man that he is, he shall probably simply put it down to having a daft Colonial 4th cousin, and I shall have to send the blessed thing parcel post.:) Seriously great resource, the Freeholder's List! Kindly, Dee. -----Original Message----- From: fermanagh-gold-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:fermanagh-gold-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Dave H via Sent: Saturday, 21 March 2015 10:45 AM To: fermanagh-gold@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: FERMANAGH-GOLD Tyrone Freeholders How many times have you tried for a Secretary?? On 21/03/2015 00:40, Dee Byster-Graham wrote: Probably just need a secretary!:) After second eye surgery next week I shall try again. ================================== https://www.google.ie/ ================================== http://www.irishtimes.com/ancestor/placenames/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FERMANAGH-GOLD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Pat, because of your new Armagh ancestor find, this might be of interest. In my unsuccessful search for a freehold list for Kilskeery, Tyrone, in FMP newspapers, I found the following for County Armagh..... County of Armagh, Barony of Armagh, Freeholders - Newry Examiner and Louth Advertiser 5 October 1839 : p.1 & 2) I also found the freeholders list for Cavan if anyone is interested!! If you ever locate the freehold list for Tyrone, I would appreciate a message. Best wishes, Carole Elliott.

You know, I thought you'd outdone yourself with the "Si, si , Senorita "one, but I was so very wrong! :-) Eilish On 21/03/2015 8:58 AM, Dave H via wrote: > Oh especially when they were sitting on the bosses knee!! > > Dave > > On 20/03/2015 21:51, Dee Byster-Graham wrote: >> More difficult to read that 16th century 'secretary hand' isn't it! >> >> Dee. > > ================================== > > https://www.google.ie/ > ================================== > http://www.irishtimes.com/ancestor/placenames/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FERMANAGH-GOLD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

This is an interesting resource! I put in DOLAN, Cavan, and several came up. Having difficulty with the column headings as the writing is not easily translatable. Probably just need a secretary! :) After second eye surgery next week I shall try again. Thanks so much for posting. Dee. -----Original Message----- From: fermanagh-gold-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:fermanagh-gold-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Dave H via Sent: Saturday, 21 March 2015 10:13 AM To: fermanagh-gold@rootsweb.com Subject: FERMANAGH-GOLD Tyrone Freeholders Carole wanted a message if Tyrone Freeholders can be found so I sent message! Someone might actually be interested in where they can be found.. they are on PRONI. http://applications.proni.gov.uk/Freeholders/AdvancedSearch.aspx Just put in Surname and Tyrone.. OR Tyrone to get them all. Dave ================================== https://www.google.ie/ ================================== http://www.irishtimes.com/ancestor/placenames/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FERMANAGH-GOLD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Gidday from NZ ! Hope Y'All don't mind me poking my nose into your " stuff!"....I am constantly nibbling away at my Family Tree and History. My " wee bittie " of Irish, comes down from Isobel Kennedy, my 4x Grt.Grandma. Here's a sample of "Lalands" , which, if you Google it, you'll find is a Language in it's own right. ="Lowlands " It is the language of the Lowlands, and one of my Corresponding Grahams writes in it :- " So how are yis Bruce ? Masel' Ah'm doin' nae sae bad the 'noo. Ah' just go' back frae a wee trip tae Ireland tae catch up wi' some Rellies, so Ah'm awa tae ma bed the 'noo !" Talking flat oot face to face, I'm sure I'd have to seek several "Repeats ! Hope you think that is interesting ? I also recently discovered there is a Local Language , in the North of Ireland, but I can't think what it is called. It probably comes from the early 1600's , when King James Banished several hundred Grahams to an English owned Plantation in Ulster. Cheers n'all, Bruce Graham -----Original Message----- From: Anne Sterling via Sent: Saturday, March 21, 2015 8:44 AM To: Dave H ; fermanagh-gold@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: FERMANAGH-GOLD Irish Gaelic DH, Would lowland Scots such as the Achesons have spoken Gaelic, especially if they were Church of Ireland and not Presbyterian??? Anne Sterling Ottawa Canada -----Original Message----- From: Dave H via Sent: Friday, March 20, 2015 2:45 PM To: fermanagh-gold@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: FERMANAGH-GOLD Irish Gaelic If they were native Irish they would. If they were Scotch they'd have Scottish Gaelic.. If Welsh they'd have Welsh Gaelic... If English then very very few. DH On 20/03/2015 18:15, Brandt Gibson via wrote: > I've been curious for years about whether my Irish ancestors would have > spoken Irish Gaelic or not. Did any percentage of people in Fermanagh speak it? My ancestors left in the 1830s-1840s. I'd appreciate any insight you could offer. >> >>Thanks, >> >>Brandt ================================== https://www.google.ie/ ================================== http://www.irishtimes.com/ancestor/placenames/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FERMANAGH-GOLD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ================================== https://www.google.ie/ ================================== http://www.irishtimes.com/ancestor/placenames/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FERMANAGH-GOLD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Did it mention his profession?? DH On 21/03/2015 06:51, Robyn Ritchie via wrote: > On 21/03/2015 5:32 PM, Lester Hamilton via wrote: >> >Dear FG Listers, >> > >> >My gg grandfather William Henry was killed on board the ship "Bee" in >> >September 1855 two weeks into the family's 16 week voyage from >> >Liverpool to New South Wales. While I have the details of his death >> >from the Immigration Commissioner's reports, there is no mention of >> >his birthplace, parents, or siblings, and no death certificate that I can > find. >> > >> >William was born about 1815 and married Mary Emery by license at St. >> >Mary's CI Church, Ardess on 21st May, 1834. William's abode was >> >recorded as Dromore Parish & Mary's as Edenclaw More, Parish of > Magheraculmoney.

On 21/03/2015 01:34, CARELL wrote: >> >Dave, the Proni Freeholder link you have given, is for freeholders before 1800. > The Kilskeery, Tyrone freeholder list I would like to find, is the one listed > in the Irish newpapers in the years 1829/1831/1835 or thereabouts. > I listed the pages for Fermanagh, they were published in 1829. > Carole. ------------------------------------------------------------------- > The National Library of Australia eResources page offers free home access to 111+ subscription databases. This free service is available to anyone residing in Australia who has a National Library card. You can apply for a library card online from this site. The card will be mailed to you within 5-10 working days. Then you use the number on your library card and surname to login. Then click on the Licenced resources to access the databases. > Free home access – Some of what you can get > • Bibliography of British and Irish History - from 55BC to the present > • Dublin Castle Records 1798-1926 > • 19th Century British Library Newspapers. Irish titles include: > • Belfast News-Letter 1828-1900 > • Freeman's Journal 1800-1802 > • Freeman's Journal and Daily Commercial Advertiser 1807-1900 > • JSTOR a multi-disciplinary archive of scholarly material. > • Irish Newspaper Archives. The archives currently has 35 national and regional newspaper titles covering 1738 to present. Titles available include: > • Anglo-Celt (Cavan and surrounding counties - Monaghan, Leitrim, Meath, Westmeath, Fermanagh, Louth and Longford, 1846-current) > • Belfast Newsletter (1738-1890) > • Butte Independent (Published Butte, Montana, USA, 1910-1930) > • Connacht Sentinel (Galway, 1927-current) > • Connacht Tribune (Galway, 1909-current) > • Connaught Telegraph, (Mayo 1830-current) > • Donegal News (1901-current) > • Dundalk Democrat (Louth and Monaghan 1849-current) New > • Fermanagh Herald (2011-current) > • Finns Leinster Journal (Kilkenny, 1771-1828) > • Freeman's Journal (National, 1763-1924) > • Gaelic Life (Ulster, 2008-current) > • Galway City Tribune (Galway, 1984-current) > • Irish Farmers Journal (National, 1957-1998) > • Irish Independent (National, 1905-current) > • Irish Press (National, 1931-1995) > • Kerryman (Kerry, 1904-current) > • Kildare Observer (1880-1935) > • Kilkenny People (1923-current) > • Leitrim Observer (1904-current) > • Limerick Leader (1905-current) > • Longford Leader (1897-current) > • Meath Chronicle (Meath, Westmeath and Cavan, 1897-current) > • Munster Express (Waterford, 1908-current) > • The Nation (Dublin, 1842-1897) > • The Nenagh Guardian (North Tipperary, 1838-current) > • Nenagh News (Tipperary, 1895-1924) > • Skibbereen Eagle (Cork 1882-1922) New > • Southern Star (Cork, 1892-current) > • Strabane Chronicle (Tyrone, 2011- current) > • Sunday Independent (National, 1906-current) > • Tuam Herald (Galway, 1837-current) > • Tyrone Herald (2005-current) > • Ulster Herald (1901- current) > • Westmeath Examiner (1882-current) This archive can be accessed for free from home using eResources. Libraries that currently have this archive as an eResource are the National Library of Australia, State Library of Victoria and State Library of Western Australia. All you need is to do is apply online for a library card from your state library and/or the National Library of Australia.

Thank you David for this link. I haven’t found anything for the longest time and I have found the marriage of my gggrandparents I had been told my ggrandmother was born in Omagh and as they lived and married in Tyrone thought that to be correct But her parents married in Armagh so I been looking in the wrong place although I always looked all new lists of anything old in case And that has paid off thanks again Patricia New Zealand -----Original Message----- From: fermanagh-gold-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:fermanagh-gold-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of DSA2003 via Sent: Friday, 20 March 2015 3:36 p.m. To: Fermanagh Gold Subject: FERMANAGH-GOLD Irish Updates on FMP G’day everyone This week’s new databases on Find My Past include three Irish ones: Diocesan and Prerogative Marriage Licence Bond Indexes 1623-1866 Diocesan and Prerogative Wills and Administration Indexes 1595-1858 1901 Census < http://blog.findmypast.co.uk/fridays/?sisearchengine=1068&siproduct=Email&utm_source=fmpuk_email&utm_medium=email&utm_content=336701 > (The LDS has an Institutional subscription to FMP and it’s available on the PCS in your local LDS library). Regards David Armstrong Maylands Western Australia --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com ================================== https://www.google.ie/ ================================== http://www.irishtimes.com/ancestor/placenames/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FERMANAGH-GOLD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

More difficult to read that 16th century 'secretary hand' isn't it! Dee. -----Original Message----- From: fermanagh-gold-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:fermanagh-gold-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Dave H via Sent: Saturday, 21 March 2015 7:30 AM To: fermanagh-gold@rootsweb.com Subject: FERMANAGH-GOLD Beautiful Gaelic Scripts... While many are waiting for the RC records to come on line just an example of the beautiful handwriting within church records... http://www.angelfire.com/falcon/bannvalley/garmgr/scan-misc.html DH ================================== https://www.google.ie/ ================================== http://www.irishtimes.com/ancestor/placenames/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FERMANAGH-GOLD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

The Libraries in Oz offer all those ancient newspapers on line for members where they can log in from home... Dave On 21/03/2015 01:34, CARELL wrote: > >> Carole wanted a message if Tyrone Freeholders can be found so I sent >> message! >> Someone might actually be interested in where they can be found.. they >> are on PRONI. >> http://applications.proni.gov.uk/Freeholders/AdvancedSearch.aspx >> Just put in Surname and Tyrone.. OR Tyrone to get them all. >> >> Dave, the Proni Freeholder link you have given, is for freeholders before 1800. > The Kilskeery, Tyrone freeholder list I would like to find, is the one listed > in the Irish newpapers in the years 1829/1831/1835 or thereabouts. > I listed the pages for Fermanagh, they were published in 1829. > Carole.

Well I'm off to bed so will probably have weird dreams of strange goings on in dark offices in 16th Century!! Brrrrrrr..... Dave On 21/03/2015 00:54, Eilish wrote: > Yes, one wonders what was going on towards the end of your sample..... > > On 21/03/2015 11:23 AM, Dave H via wrote: >> Well it's as good a reason as any as to why the handwriting is so poor!! >> >> >> >> On 21/03/2015 00:19, Eilish wrote: >>> Dave, I salute you! >>> Eilish >>> >>> On 21/03/2015 11:01 AM, Dave H via wrote: >>>> Well I was going to say... Oh especially when they were sitting on the >>>> bosses knee!! "considering the bosses and secretaries in those days >>>> were >>>> men!" >>>> >>>> Dave.

Oh... Joe will need a Secretary! Of course you could have just done it in Font 12 and just viewed it magnified to View at 120% on your screen! :-)) PRONI is a great resource but they don't have choc biccies!! Dave. On 21/03/2015 00:59, Dee Byster-Graham wrote: > Obviously not often enough! > > Wrote to Joe Snow (Cork) yesterday, had to type the letter in font 14 so I > could see all the mistakes - poor Joe, about 15 pages of A4 to plough > through. > Lovely man that he is, he shall probably simply put it down to having a > daft Colonial 4th cousin, and I shall have to send the blessed thing parcel > post.:) > > Seriously great resource, the Freeholder's List! > Kindly, > Dee.

The ones not at NAI must be at PRONI, I guess. Dave On 21/03/2015 00:42, Marge Rossini via wrote: > Family Search has the Pension Application Searches of 1841 & 1851 census > online and I found several that are not online at NAI. Of course the two I > wanted most, Andrew Fees, don't have the correct image. But it is the same > image for both! > > https://familysearch.org/search/collection/2346275 > > Slán, > Marge in Southern California