I'm with you on this, Chris, Although must admit Margaret Beaufort could be a quiet contender - an amazing lady, she was capable of almost anything. Barry, Richard certainly remained loyal to his brother for many years, and I do admire him for the energy and determination he showed in battle despite his disability which must have been quite painful at times. All things considered he is the likely instigator of the murder of the princes, and the actual murderers were who Thomas More named in the confessions he extracted under torture. I must try to catch the funeral on u-tube or such as the Tudor dynasty is an area of great interest and research. Don't you agree that the most fascinating mysteries in this world are the un-solvable ones! Kindly, Dee. -----Original Message----- From: fermanagh-gold-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:fermanagh-gold-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Christina Hunt via Sent: Monday, 23 March 2015 9:14 AM To: Barry Graham; fermanagh-gold@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: FERMANAGH-GOLD Richard III I loved the Daughter of Time and Sunne in Splendor. I still think he was guilty as sin. LOL I watched a snippet of and the clergyman called him "...at times controversal King." http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-32011590 Chris Barry Graham via wrote: >>> He was not quite the baddie he has been made out to be. But the >>> only >>> >> version we know was written by his enemies. Now research shows >>> >> him in a different light. >> > > > Read "The Daughter of Time". > A detective novel by Josephine Tey. > Involves research into Richard III and the history written by the Tudors. ================================== https://www.google.ie/ ================================== http://www.irishtimes.com/ancestor/placenames/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FERMANAGH-GOLD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thank you, Carole, My internet playing up too, may be due to that enormous solar flare happening at the moment - one of the biggest recorded. Hydrophobia, good heavens! It might be referring to too much water in the whiskey :) I shall look it up - thanks again. Also shall try Sloey as well as Slowey - another creative adaptation of a surname. Kindly, Dee. -----Original Message----- From: fermanagh-gold-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:fermanagh-gold-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of CARELL via Sent: Monday, 23 March 2015 9:03 AM To: Dee Byster-Graham via Subject: FERMANAGH-GOLD Magauran & Sloey. Dee, I've just sent the following to Carol Marlo.... Carol, I looked again at FMP, very briefly, as internet here kept dropping out. I found a Magauran & SLOEY? item, I don't know if it was the original one I noticed, but didn't get the opportunity to read it..... Drogheda Journal or Meath & Louth Advertiser : 27/6/1827. As said , internet dropped out, so being unable to open it, I don't have the page num. It was for SLOEY, which I had noticed was one of the variations of the SLOWEY name. The index for this item, suggested the charge was serious!! I was having all sorts of trouble bringing up FMP yesterday, must have been overload, lots of tourists in our little town & we are on the end of a very long line!! Saw another Magauran item, have the date, but not the paper. This item referred to the Magauran's ability, to cure or relieve the symptoms of Hydrophobia. Whether my original message referred to this or something separate, I don't know, as I only glanced at it briefly.... HTHs, Carole. ================================== https://www.google.ie/ ================================== http://www.irishtimes.com/ancestor/placenames/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FERMANAGH-GOLD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Vi's point is well taken.  Shakespeare would have written a very different play if the Yorkists had prevailed over the Tudors.  On the other hand, my Yorkshire ancestor might not have emigrated to Virginia if the political situation had been different. Carol From: Dee Byster-Graham via <fermanagh-gold@rootsweb.com> To: 'caiside' <caiside@comcast.net>; fermanagh-gold@rootsweb.com; 'Barry Graham' <btgraham@tpg.com.au>; 'Viola Wiggins' <vmaw3434@gmail.com>; 'Dave H' <hallmarkone@gmail.com> Sent: Monday, March 23, 2015 2:26 AM Subject: Re: FERMANAGH-GOLD Richard III Who is Josephine Tey? Have not read any books by this person. Presuming she is an author - is her work historically accurate and readable? If so, shall search her out in the library. Dee. -----Original Message----- From: fermanagh-gold-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:fermanagh-gold-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of caiside via Sent: Monday, 23 March 2015 9:28 AM To: Barry Graham; fermanagh-gold@rootsweb.com; Viola Wiggins; Dave H Subject: Re: FERMANAGH-GOLD Richard III Thanks, I'll look for it. I always enjoyed Josephine Tey. On 3/22/15 7:04 PM, Barry Graham wrote: > >> On 3/22/15 3:27 PM, Viola Wiggins wrote: >>>  He was not quite the baddie he has been made out to be. But the >>> only version we know was written by his enemies. Now research shows >>> him in a different light. >> > > Read "The Daughter of Time". > A detective novel by Josephine Tey. > Involves research into Richard III and the history written by the Tudors. > > > ================================== https://www.google.ie/ ================================== http://www.irishtimes.com/ancestor/placenames/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FERMANAGH-GOLD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ================================== https://www.google.ie/ ================================== http://www.irishtimes.com/ancestor/placenames/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FERMANAGH-GOLD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

This was  and is a terrific book.  Josephine Tey wrote detective fiction, but her works were not pot-boilers.  She actually produced literature, and if I'm remembering correctly, she had academic credentials for teaching. Carol Gebhart Marlo From: Sharon Oddie Brown via <fermanagh-gold@rootsweb.com> To: Barry Graham <btgraham@tpg.com.au>; fermanagh-gold@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, March 23, 2015 8:50 AM Subject: Re: FERMANAGH-GOLD Richard III Josephone Tey's "Daughter of Time" is a brilliant mystery story. I have read it twice. SEE: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Daughter_of_Time It would make a great movie. Sometimes fiction tells a truth that is otherwise missed. I find that I learn a lot while reading Irish fiction as well. Also, the methods that the detective uses in her book to unearth historical truth are some of the methods that all of us could benefit from considering. Sharon Sharon Oddie Brown, Roberts Creek, BC, Canada. History Project: http://www.thesilverbowl.com/ On 23/03/2015 2:44 AM, Barry Graham via wrote: > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dee Byster-Graham" <deebg@bigpond.net.au> > To: "'caiside'" <caiside@comcast.net>; <fermanagh-gold@rootsweb.com>; > "'Barry Graham'" <btgraham@tpg.com.au>; "'Viola Wiggins'" > <vmaw3434@gmail.com>; "'Dave H'" <hallmarkone@gmail.com> > Sent: Monday, March 23, 2015 6:26 PM > Subject: RE: FERMANAGH-GOLD Richard III > > >> Who is Josephine Tey? >> Have not read any books by this person. >> Presuming she is an author - is her work historically accurate and >> readable? >> If so, shall search her out in the library. >> >> Dee. > Here is a clue. > "A detective novel " > > > ================================== > > https://www.google.ie/ > ================================== > http://www.irishtimes.com/ancestor/placenames/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FERMANAGH-GOLD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ================================== https://www.google.ie/ ================================== http://www.irishtimes.com/ancestor/placenames/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FERMANAGH-GOLD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

It all depends who and when. I can always find time for that if they are FG members. Viola >I presume you won't be meeting men in car parks this week so..... > :-)) > Dave >> As from Friday, I am keeping a photographic Diary of "A week in the Life >> of a Senior Citizen", for a Q. U. B. Project. >> So the "cut & paste" will have to go onto my long finger. >> So I've filed the link for future Ref. --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com

James NOBLE was usually protestant but there were mixed marriages where the Boys were reared as RC and Girls Protestant. CORRIGAN was usually RC but the same senario applied. 'Way back in those times some RC registered as protestant for political reasons to comply with the laws in force regarding land ownership and being recognised for Office holding. NOBLE families were located around Drumkeeran Parish in the Pettigo, and around Ederney, Kesh and Lowtherstown [Irvinestown] areas. A google search for "NOBLE FAMILY NAME" might help you find ancient information. Viola --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com

Dee, I have three McGaurans that married Fees. My problem is connecting them directly to me. I believe that I visited a McGovern couple when I was there in 2005. My friend Patricia Duffy (who used to be on this list) arranged that meeting. She and her husband knew them. We did research together while I was in Fermanagh. I have: Judith McGauran married to Patrick Fee; son Patrick b. 22 Mar 1837 and Mary b. 28 Jan 1847. None in between! Susan McGauran m. to Patrick Fee; son Owen? b. 12 June 1844 Mick McGauran m. to Biddy Fee; son Peter b. 2 Apr 1852 I also have an: Honora Magauran m. to Andrew Gilbride; son Eugene b. 26 Aug 1837 Honora Magauran m. to Nathaniel Gilbride; dau. Catherine b. 3 May 1838 Patt Magauran m. to Catherine Gilbride; son John b. 21st ? 1854 Peter Magauran m. to Biddy Magauran?; son Brian b. 23 May 1845 AND Ellen Magowan m. to Eugene McGoldrick; son Matthew b. 29 Apr 1840 I am anxious for the RC church records to go online to see if I can find connections. Slán, Marge in Southern California Searching: Golden, Sullivan, Kelly, Shea, in Kerry and Connecticut O'Connor in Kerry Fee, Cassidy, Gilbride in Fermanagh, Cavan and Connecticut Lynch in Kildare, Limerick and Connecticut Walsh, Stackpole, Garry/Garrey/McGarrey, Donovan, Doyle, Clowney/Clooney, King in Kildare

Hi James, My g-g-grandmother was Ellen Corrigan with at least one sister Anne Corrigan. They were born around 1810 and lived in Curraghmore which is in Drumkeeran parish. These women were both RC. So maybe you are looking for RCs too and religion is important in tracking people. One little brick! Eilish On 23/03/2015 9:10 AM, James Noble via wrote: > I have a general question about records and record searching. I¹ve posted > before about John Noble, born in Fermanagh in the late 1840s, emigrated to > America as a child and raised by Anthony and Margaret (Corrigan) Scollon in > Meriden, CT. A very helpful list member, also on Ancestry, pointed out to me > that a Margaret Corrigan, who married Anthony Scollon in America, was > married earlier, in Ireland, to a John Noble, and that MY John Noble was > probably her son. This member also thought that they were all Catholics. If > I were to search for a Noble-Corrigan marriage sometime in the 1840s, where > would I look? There is a 15-year old John Noble, son to John and Rose Noble, > in the 1841 census in Drumkeeran parish, Townland Dromore Big. If anyone can > point me in the right direction I would be very thankful. > > > James Noble > jtnoble@metrocast.net > > > > ================================== > > https://www.google.ie/ > ================================== > http://www.irishtimes.com/ancestor/placenames/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FERMANAGH-GOLD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Apologies list, that message was meant for Dee, not the list. Carole E.

> On 3/22/15 3:27 PM, Viola Wiggins wrote: >> He was not quite the baddie he has been made out to be. But the only >> version we know was written by his enemies. Now research shows him in a >> different light. > Read "The Daughter of Time". A detective novel by Josephine Tey. Involves research into Richard III and the history written by the Tudors.

Dee, I've just sent the following to Carol Marlo.... Carol, I looked again at FMP, very briefly, as internet here kept dropping out. I found a Magauran & SLOEY? item, I don't know if it was the original one I noticed, but didn't get the opportunity to read it..... Drogheda Journal or Meath & Louth Advertiser : 27/6/1827. As said , internet dropped out, so being unable to open it, I don't have the page num. It was for SLOEY, which I had noticed was one of the variations of the SLOWEY name. The index for this item, suggested the charge was serious!! I was having all sorts of trouble bringing up FMP yesterday, must have been overload, lots of tourists in our little town & we are on the end of a very long line!! Saw another Magauran item, have the date, but not the paper. This item referred to the Magauran's ability, to cure or relieve the symptoms of Hydrophobia. Whether my original message referred to this or something separate, I don't know, as I only glanced at it briefly.... HTHs, Carole.

Hi Jerry You can search archived newspapers for Australia free, from this web link : http://trove.nla.gov.au/ Trove is created and maintained by the National Library of Australia. Regards Robyn, NSW, Australia -----Original Message----- From: fermanagh-gold-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:fermanagh-gold-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of jfallis820 via Sent: Monday, 23 March 2015 08:06 To: fermanagh-gold Subject: FERMANAGH-GOLD Archived Newspapers I'm asking how to access the eResource for archived newspapers in Australia. When applying for a card they will only take an Australian City or town. Can anyone explain how to get around this. Jerry Fallis ================================== https://www.google.ie/ ================================== http://www.irishtimes.com/ancestor/placenames/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FERMANAGH-GOLD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Ah Dave, If only I could get over there and read it tomorrow..................... Shall give info to friend and try for inter-library loan. Thanks so much, Dee. -----Original Message----- From: fermanagh-gold-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:fermanagh-gold-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Dave H via Sent: Sunday, 22 March 2015 10:58 PM To: fermanagh-gold@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: FERMANAGH-GOLD Magauran and Slowey. Indeed a close knit family who kept in contact with each other... The Book of Magauran : Leabhar Méig Shamhradháin. by McKenna, Lambert (Editor). Dublin Institute for Advanced Studies, 1947. might be of interest too? Maybe via Inter Library Loan?? It's on Library shelf at the moment... I can reserve it and get it here tomorrow if you want! Dave On 22/03/2015 12:34, Dee Byster-Graham wrote: > Thank you so much, Dave. > > All three articles prove what a brawling, drinking, disciplinarian lot > the Magaurans were. > This family had every facet of life within it - from great Archbishops > to IRA fighters.:) Found a site today which tells the story from 7th > century onwards, about the love/hate relationship with the Dolans etc. > Only up to 1000ad or so yet, find them quite fascinating and beginning > to like them very much - and it says Leitrim is their original home. > > We had Ribbonmen in the family in Fermanagh, probably illicit stills > as well. > One could believe it's genetic. > > DEE. ================================== https://www.google.ie/ ================================== http://www.irishtimes.com/ancestor/placenames/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FERMANAGH-GOLD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Josephone Tey's "Daughter of Time" is a brilliant mystery story. I have read it twice. SEE: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Daughter_of_Time It would make a great movie. Sometimes fiction tells a truth that is otherwise missed. I find that I learn a lot while reading Irish fiction as well. Also, the methods that the detective uses in her book to unearth historical truth are some of the methods that all of us could benefit from considering. Sharon Sharon Oddie Brown, Roberts Creek, BC, Canada. History Project: http://www.thesilverbowl.com/ On 23/03/2015 2:44 AM, Barry Graham via wrote: > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dee Byster-Graham" <deebg@bigpond.net.au> > To: "'caiside'" <caiside@comcast.net>; <fermanagh-gold@rootsweb.com>; > "'Barry Graham'" <btgraham@tpg.com.au>; "'Viola Wiggins'" > <vmaw3434@gmail.com>; "'Dave H'" <hallmarkone@gmail.com> > Sent: Monday, March 23, 2015 6:26 PM > Subject: RE: FERMANAGH-GOLD Richard III > > >> Who is Josephine Tey? >> Have not read any books by this person. >> Presuming she is an author - is her work historically accurate and >> readable? >> If so, shall search her out in the library. >> >> Dee. > Here is a clue. > "A detective novel " > > > ================================== > > https://www.google.ie/ > ================================== > http://www.irishtimes.com/ancestor/placenames/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FERMANAGH-GOLD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thank you so much, Dave. All three articles prove what a brawling, drinking, disciplinarian lot the Magaurans were. This family had every facet of life within it - from great Archbishops to IRA fighters. :) Found a site today which tells the story from 7th century onwards, about the love/hate relationship with the Dolans etc. Only up to 1000ad or so yet, find them quite fascinating and beginning to like them very much - and it says Leitrim is their original home. We had Ribbonmen in the family in Fermanagh, probably illicit stills as well. One could believe it's genetic. DEE. -----Original Message----- From: fermanagh-gold-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:fermanagh-gold-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Dave H via Sent: Sunday, 22 March 2015 9:46 PM To: fermanagh-gold@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: FERMANAGH-GOLD Magauran and Slowey. Date: 23 August 1828 Newspaper: Roscommon & Leitrim Gazette Newspaper Subject: DRUMREILLY PARISH Newspaper Content: A group of Ribbonmen marched around Ballymagauran, County Cavan, after the fair (which is four miles from Ballinamore), they then proceeded to Drumreilly with the Rev Francis Magauran, where they were regaled with his "Mountain Dew". On 21/03/2015 23:48, Dee Byster-Graham via wrote: > Sorry I did not receive your email, it could be due to my new computer > installed last week - still transferring data from the old one, what a > pain!! > > At present am just beginning research into Cavan and Leitrim and am > not too familiar with the area involved, thinking Templeport likely. > It is certain, however, that my Dolan/Magauran family originated in > Cavan/Leitrim then moved to Fermanagh sometime around 1700's. To date > I have not found any SLOWEY involvement with this side of the family, > but shall happily keep you in mind and let you know if and when I do. > Excellent work done transposing gravestone photos of these two > Counties by dedicated people, including Dave Hall, to the online > site. Makes the search both easier and fascinating as I am finding > many surnames associated with my Fermanagh people, such as McCabe, > Duffy, Keown, Foy etc, side by side with Magauran/McGovern and Dolan. > Obvious to me these families were associated in Cavan long before the move to Fermanagh. ================================== https://www.google.ie/ ================================== http://www.irishtimes.com/ancestor/placenames/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FERMANAGH-GOLD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

On 22/03/2015 22:10, James Noble via wrote: > There is a 15-year old John Noble, son to John and Rose Noble, > in the 1841 census in Drumkeeran parish, Townland Dromore Big. If anyone can > point me in the right direction I would be very thankful. > > > James Noble The only Nobles I can find on 1841 Census are in Cavan... http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/search/results.jsp?census_year=1841&surname=Noble&exact=&firstname=&county19011911=&county1821=&county1831=&county1841=&county1851=&townland=&ded=&age=&sex=&relationToHead=&religion=&education=&occupation=&marriageStatus=&marriageYears=&childrenBorn=&childrenLiving=&birthplace=&nativeCountry=&language=&deafdumb=&houseNumber=&familiesNumber=&malesNumber=&femalesNumber=&maleServNumber=&femaleServNumber=&estChurchNumber=&romanCatNumber=&presbNumberDiv=&protNumber=&parish=&barony=&yearsMarried=&causeOfDeath=&yearOfDeath=&familyId=&ageInMonths=&search=Search&sort=&pageSize=100

I'm asking how to access the eResource for archived newspapers in Australia. When applying for a card they will only take an Australian City or town. Can anyone explain how to get around this. Jerry Fallis

I love the one's which start.. "Written from an unbiased viewpoint..." often written by someone involved in something!! :-)) On 22/03/2015 19:51, caiside@comcast.net wrote: > Fascinating indeed. > History is always written from a point of view. > > Janet C.

I presume you won't be meeting men in car parks this week so..... :-)) Dave On 22/03/2015 19:27, Viola Wiggins wrote: > Thank you Dave, > As from Friday, I am keeping a photographic Diary of "A week in the Life of a Senior Citizen", for a Q. U. B. Project. > So the "cut & paste" will have to go onto my long finger. > So I've filed the link for future Ref. > I have just watched the Richard III procession to the Cathedral on Television (CH4). > History from 500 years ago is being re-written! He was not quite the baddie he has been made out to be. But the only version we know was written by his enemies. Now research shows him in a different light. > DNA matched a 17th generation man to him. That man actually made Richard's present day coffin. > The wonders of science at work. Fascinating. > Viola

Thanks, I'll look for it. I always enjoyed Josephine Tey. On 3/22/15 7:04 PM, Barry Graham wrote: > >> On 3/22/15 3:27 PM, Viola Wiggins wrote: >>> He was not quite the baddie he has been made out to be. But the >>> only version we know was written by his enemies. Now research shows >>> him in a different light. >> > > Read "The Daughter of Time". > A detective novel by Josephine Tey. > Involves research into Richard III and the history written by the Tudors. > > >