English officials wrote one of my husband's ancestors into the records as Ellen Regan or Ryan, perhaps because they weren't sure which Irish name they were hearing. Kathy Lowe -----Original Message----- From: Dee Byster-Graham via Sent: Sunday, March 29, 2015 5:16 PM To: 'Eilish' ; fermanagh-gold@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: FERMANAGH-GOLD Irish Names - Anglicised. Am wondering if the local population raised objections to their traditional names being changed in this fashion? Were there protests or riots, or did they put it down to the English being eccentric or dull, and ignore the whole thing? Dee.
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One reason that many in Western Australia voted not unanimously, but 55% to 45% against Daylight Saving in 2009 was that the extra daylight would make the curtains fade! :-} In reality, one of the main arguments against it is that, now most people have air-conditioning at home, people’s household electricity bills would go up as they stayed indoors on their PCs instead of using the extra daylight in the evening to go to the beach or do other outdoor activities. David Armstrong Maylands Western Australia From: Carl Maguire via Sent: Sunday, March 29, 2015 1:02 PM To: Eilish ; fermanagh-gold@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: FERMANAGH-GOLD British Summer Time (BST) I think Saskatchewan is the only jurisdiction in Canada with enough common sense to reject DST. In 1978 we moved to BC from the Yukon, and on my first day of work in Vancouver I strolled in with plenty of time to spare (so I thought). Oh yeah, look at the Yukoner nearly an hour late. Two years later we came to our senses and moved back to the Yukon, and someone in authority had brain fade and instituted DST. Sigh. In the land of the midnight sun, who needs daylight saving time? On 2015-03-28, at 6:58 PM, Eilish via wrote: > Hi Cheryl, > I live in NSW, Australia and our daylight saving has been extended for > additional months to what it originally was when it was introduced years > ago. I love it, and just about everyone I know wants it to be retained > all year so we can also enjoy the extra daylight hours in winter as well. > Horses for courses, I guess. Giddy up! :-) > > Eilish > > On 29/03/2015 12:01 PM, Cheryl Hebbs via wrote: >> I live in Perth, Western Australia and we tried daylight saving as it is called in Oz twice! the last trial ended in 2009 with a referendum which was unanimously opposed retaining the scheme, thank goodness, which hopefully is the end of the matter for us. It was absolutely daft, as the summer wore you found yourself getting up in the dark to go to work and then when you got home it was so hot you ran the aircon for longer, the only folk who enjoyed it were the power suppliers! Kind Regards >> Cheryl --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com
Hi Cheryl, I live in NSW, Australia and our daylight saving has been extended for additional months to what it originally was when it was introduced years ago. I love it, and just about everyone I know wants it to be retained all year so we can also enjoy the extra daylight hours in winter as well. Horses for courses, I guess. Giddy up! :-) Eilish On 29/03/2015 12:01 PM, Cheryl Hebbs via wrote: > I live in Perth, Western Australia and we tried daylight saving as it is called in Oz twice! the last trial ended in 2009 with a referendum which was unanimously opposed retaining the scheme, thank goodness, which hopefully is the end of the matter for us. It was absolutely daft, as the summer wore you found yourself getting up in the dark to go to work and then when you got home it was so hot you ran the aircon for longer, the only folk who enjoyed it were the power suppliers! Kind Regards > Cheryl > ================================== > > https://www.google.ie/ > ================================== > http://www.irishtimes.com/ancestor/placenames/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FERMANAGH-GOLD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Hi Carole, Thanks for this interesting post. I am related to literally hundreds of Sweeneys, (who are all called Sweeney), we all keep in touch and they would be horrified to be called Weeny! One wonders where they got some of these names from. I'll have to inform my Sweeney family groups that someone wants to call them Weeny. My own name , McHugh , has been anglicised from McAodh, pronounced McKay as in hay. I'd prefer the original. I notice, mainly on Irish TV show credits, the increasing number of Irish people who are reverting to the original Gaelic. I think it's a great thing. Eilish On 29/03/2015 11:55 AM, CARELL via wrote: > http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper > Southern Cross (Adelaide, SA : 11 August 1893, p.3. > > IRISH NAMES - How They have been Anglicised. > In a recent issue we inserted an interesting article from the Dublin Freeman on Irish names. > We give some further particulars from the same source, showing the process by which the > old Gaelic patronymics are Anglicised :— > Some have made a change which is supposed to be a translation of the surname, but which > in most cases is nothing of the kind, but merely some fanciful change....e.g.:— > M'Rory to Rogers, M'Bannan to White, M'Gilly to Cox, M'Gowan to Smith, M'Girr to Short, > M'Askinagh to Fox, M'Atilla to Flood, M'Quillan to Holly, M'Aree to King, M'Quirk to Oats, > O'Cunneen to Rabbit, M'Greehan to Wynne, O'Banane to White, M'Shane to Johnston, > M'Cullogh to Boar, M'Loone to Monday, M'Crann to Wrenn, M'Eneaney to Bird, M'Lave to Hand > M'Adarragh to Oaks, M'Brenaghy to Judge, M'Glashan to Green, M'Corrig to Rocks, > M'Kiltogh to Small, M'Uisk to Watters, M'Corra to Weir, M'Alivery to Winter, O'Duffy to Black > Some have changed from an Irish name to another more easily pronounced by English-speaking people, > Among these we find :— > Saraghan to Sullivan; M'Sweeney and Sweeney to McAweeny aud Weeny, Muckle-breed to M' Bride, > M'Cadden or Muckeedan to Cadden, M'Daide to M'Devitt or Davitt, Cunmer to Connor, Bryan to Crossan, > O'Hara to Harran, M'Gill-Meehul to M'Elmeel and M'Cormilla to Grormly. > But by far the greater number have been Anglicised without any apparent reason for the change. > Among these we find:- > M'Alinden to Lundy or Linden, M'Cenebhan to M'Canavan or Whitehead, M'Killan to M'Allen or Allison etc; > O'Helan to Whelan, M'Allister to M'Lester, Allister or Lister, M'Lenaghan to Lennard, > M'Gill-Bride to M'Bride & Brides, M'Caffrey to Beatty, M'Quaid to Wade, M'Manujs to Mayne or Mains, > M'Carrell to Mackarell, M'Sharry to Foley or Sherry, M'Carthy to Fortune, M'Taghlin to Heuston, > M'Tague to Montague, M'Cawell or M'Cool to Campbell, O'Foohey to Rush, O'Malmona to Moss, > M'Cavill to M'Caulfield, Caulfield & Campbell, O'Muldowna or M'Gill-Downa, M'Gill-Downey to Downey or Dawney > M'Cumesky to Comerford, O'Molloy to Slowey or Sloy, M'Cousnamha to Ford, O'Muracha to Murphy, > O'Neill to Nelson, M'Cusker to Cosgrove, O'Hay to Hayes, M'Dake to Davis or Davidson, M'Polin to Poland, > M'Gilfoil to Powell, M'Donnell to Daniel, O'Cussave to Patterson, O'Shearhoon to Penders or Prendergast, > M'Ginnity to Gaynor, M'Quillan to Holly or Goodwin, M'Given to Bickerstaff and Montgomery, M'Glew to M'Loud, > O'Creagh & O'Raw to Rea or Wray, M'Gronan or O'Ronaghan to Reynolds, M'Goldrick to Goodwin, Golden or Golding, > M'Gilitinane, O'Shanaghan to Shannon, M'Guigan to Pidgeon, M'Astoker to Stafford, M'Rory to Rogers, M'Hugh to Hewson, > O'Summachan to Summerly and Summers, M'Keown to Caulfield or Johnston, O'Claveen to Swords, M'Iihone to Wood, > O'Gormley to Grimes and Graham, O'Dreenan or M'Skean to Thornton, M'Mornan to Vaughan, M'Rostig to Roach, > O'Gill or Hoogley to Gologly & Ingolaby, O'Horrican to Summers- M'Avinchey to Vincent, M'Evely to Stanton, > O'Mournane to Warren, O'Dea to Goodwin or Godkin, M'Gilligan to White, O'Driscoll to Hyde, Quilkian to Wilkinson, > O'Carolan to Cavlin and Carleton, MBrenagh to Walsh, O'Parrican or Mac-Gillpatrick to Fitzpatrick, M'Guagey to Hackett, > O'Foody or O'Gastha to. Swift or Speed, M'Cavish or M'Tavish to Thompson, O'Toghill to Toal, M'Bachal to Crosier, > M'Enery to Henery, M'Naboe to Victory, Trin Lavery to Armstrong, M'Toorish to Walters, O'Canavan to Whitehead, > M'Beggan toLittle, O'Muldoon to M'Dowell, O'Skinnader to Kennedy, M'Quillan to Goodwin and M'Williams. > PHEW!! please check the original, in case I missed one or two!! > Carole. > > > ================================== > > https://www.google.ie/ > ================================== > http://www.irishtimes.com/ancestor/placenames/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FERMANAGH-GOLD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >
Don't forget Movernagh or Mulvernagh to LOVE. But McCaffrey to Beattie? How? Can anyone explain? Janet C
David And the Extra daylight meant more sunbathing and more skin cancer, I suppose. One can get new curtains but not a new skin. Hugs Vi --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com
http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper Southern Cross (Adelaide, SA : 11 August 1893, p.3. IRISH NAMES - How They have been Anglicised. In a recent issue we inserted an interesting article from the Dublin Freeman on Irish names. We give some further particulars from the same source, showing the process by which the old Gaelic patronymics are Anglicised :— Some have made a change which is supposed to be a translation of the surname, but which in most cases is nothing of the kind, but merely some fanciful change....e.g.:— M'Rory to Rogers, M'Bannan to White, M'Gilly to Cox, M'Gowan to Smith, M'Girr to Short, M'Askinagh to Fox, M'Atilla to Flood, M'Quillan to Holly, M'Aree to King, M'Quirk to Oats, O'Cunneen to Rabbit, M'Greehan to Wynne, O'Banane to White, M'Shane to Johnston, M'Cullogh to Boar, M'Loone to Monday, M'Crann to Wrenn, M'Eneaney to Bird, M'Lave to Hand M'Adarragh to Oaks, M'Brenaghy to Judge, M'Glashan to Green, M'Corrig to Rocks, M'Kiltogh to Small, M'Uisk to Watters, M'Corra to Weir, M'Alivery to Winter, O'Duffy to Black Some have changed from an Irish name to another more easily pronounced by English-speaking people, Among these we find :— Saraghan to Sullivan; M'Sweeney and Sweeney to McAweeny aud Weeny, Muckle-breed to M' Bride, M'Cadden or Muckeedan to Cadden, M'Daide to M'Devitt or Davitt, Cunmer to Connor, Bryan to Crossan, O'Hara to Harran, M'Gill-Meehul to M'Elmeel and M'Cormilla to Grormly. But by far the greater number have been Anglicised without any apparent reason for the change. Among these we find:- M'Alinden to Lundy or Linden, M'Cenebhan to M'Canavan or Whitehead, M'Killan to M'Allen or Allison etc; O'Helan to Whelan, M'Allister to M'Lester, Allister or Lister, M'Lenaghan to Lennard, M'Gill-Bride to M'Bride & Brides, M'Caffrey to Beatty, M'Quaid to Wade, M'Manujs to Mayne or Mains, M'Carrell to Mackarell, M'Sharry to Foley or Sherry, M'Carthy to Fortune, M'Taghlin to Heuston, M'Tague to Montague, M'Cawell or M'Cool to Campbell, O'Foohey to Rush, O'Malmona to Moss, M'Cavill to M'Caulfield, Caulfield & Campbell, O'Muldowna or M'Gill-Downa, M'Gill-Downey to Downey or Dawney M'Cumesky to Comerford, O'Molloy to Slowey or Sloy, M'Cousnamha to Ford, O'Muracha to Murphy, O'Neill to Nelson, M'Cusker to Cosgrove, O'Hay to Hayes, M'Dake to Davis or Davidson, M'Polin to Poland, M'Gilfoil to Powell, M'Donnell to Daniel, O'Cussave to Patterson, O'Shearhoon to Penders or Prendergast, M'Ginnity to Gaynor, M'Quillan to Holly or Goodwin, M'Given to Bickerstaff and Montgomery, M'Glew to M'Loud, O'Creagh & O'Raw to Rea or Wray, M'Gronan or O'Ronaghan to Reynolds, M'Goldrick to Goodwin, Golden or Golding, M'Gilitinane, O'Shanaghan to Shannon, M'Guigan to Pidgeon, M'Astoker to Stafford, M'Rory to Rogers, M'Hugh to Hewson, O'Summachan to Summerly and Summers, M'Keown to Caulfield or Johnston, O'Claveen to Swords, M'Iihone to Wood, O'Gormley to Grimes and Graham, O'Dreenan or M'Skean to Thornton, M'Mornan to Vaughan, M'Rostig to Roach, O'Gill or Hoogley to Gologly & Ingolaby, O'Horrican to Summers- M'Avinchey to Vincent, M'Evely to Stanton, O'Mournane to Warren, O'Dea to Goodwin or Godkin, M'Gilligan to White, O'Driscoll to Hyde, Quilkian to Wilkinson, O'Carolan to Cavlin and Carleton, MBrenagh to Walsh, O'Parrican or Mac-Gillpatrick to Fitzpatrick, M'Guagey to Hackett, O'Foody or O'Gastha to. Swift or Speed, M'Cavish or M'Tavish to Thompson, O'Toghill to Toal, M'Bachal to Crosier, M'Enery to Henery, M'Naboe to Victory, Trin Lavery to Armstrong, M'Toorish to Walters, O'Canavan to Whitehead, M'Beggan toLittle, O'Muldoon to M'Dowell, O'Skinnader to Kennedy, M'Quillan to Goodwin and M'Williams. PHEW!! please check the original, in case I missed one or two!! Carole.
> By the way, what does HTHs mean? > Carol, you have probably already seen this item, but just in case.... MYHERITAGE- Elizabeth Slowey (born Davis), 1847-1914 Elizabeth Slowey (born Davis) was born on month day 1847, at birth place, to John Davidson and Elzabeth Davidson (born Cline). John was born in England. Elzabeth was born in *Claire County*, Ireland. Elizabeth married James Slowey. James was born in Ireland. They had one daughter: Mary Josephine Brown (born Slowey). Elizabeth passed away on month day 1914, at age 67 at death place, Missouri. Also see Irish names Anglicised, sent to the FG list today. O'Molloy to Slowey or Sloy...and M'Dake to Davis or Davidson. HTHs (Hope this helps) Carole Elliott. > >
Hello, I found 3 records, 1 for a John Sloan or Hoey, 1 for a John Sloan or Sloey and a third for John Sloey, 2 were for the Govan district of Glasgow and 1 in Airdrie. The valuation records only name the head of household and occasionally an occupation, they do not name the individuals living at that address, only the rent payer or owner. Addresses were HOUSE 71 RUTHERGLEN LOAN, HOUSE 34 WELLINGTON STREET, and HOUSE 53 WELLWYND STREET AIRDRIE in order of names above. Interestingly the only Slowey, Sloey births that I could find in Lanarkshire in 1864 and 1866 were not the parents you give, but to a Patrick and Mary Ann, and Thomas and Bridget. I'd tried to find the births to see which district of Glasgow they were living in. However, came to naught as I couldn't find either of the births. Couldn't find them under any other name variation that I tried either. Sorry that I haven't been of any help............ cheers .. Meg Slàinte maith, h-uile latha, na chi 'snach fhaic! (Good health, every day, whether I see you or not) Slàinte maith, h-uile latha, na chi 'snach fhaic! (Good health, every day, whether I see you or not)
I live in Perth, Western Australia and we tried daylight saving as it is called in Oz twice! the last trial ended in 2009 with a referendum which was unanimously opposed retaining the scheme, thank goodness, which hopefully is the end of the matter for us. It was absolutely daft, as the summer wore you found yourself getting up in the dark to go to work and then when you got home it was so hot you ran the aircon for longer, the only folk who enjoyed it were the power suppliers! Kind Regards Cheryl
Ach, the one hour spring forward for our daylight saving time is a large PITA for us. It seems that the older I get, the more disruptive the hour change is...then we have to "undo" the muddle in the fall... Cliff. On Saturday, March 28, 2015 5:29 PM, Viola Wiggins via <fermanagh-gold@rootsweb.com> wrote: I know this is not Geanological related, but I am certain will have affected all of our ancestors. At present we are on Grenwich Mean Time (GMT0 Our UK clocks will "spring" forward one hour to BST at 1am tomorrow morning. We will "fall" back one hour to GMT at the end of October, (on the 25th October, I think). During WW2 we used to have 2Double Summer Time" when clocks would go forward an additional hour, and I remember working at haymaking in the meadow up to about 11pm and it was still daylight. The first couple of weeks the animals on the farm had not adjusted to the new times. In the mornings it would be dark and oil lamps (Hurricane Lamps, or Tilly Lamps) were used to go about the yard and in the Byre (Cow Shed). Cows would not give their usual amount of milk because they were still feeling a bit sleepy. In the evening, if the Cows were out in the fields, they would be queueing up at the gate to get into the Byre for milking at their usual time, Calves in the shed would be roaring for their evening feed and hens would collect near their feeding table. All at the usual times. My Parents gradually moved their time forward, otherwise the cow's udders would be so full their teats would drip the milk from them as they came in. My brother and I walked the four miles to school in the dark I suppose it took about a month for the animals, and for that matter us children, to adjust our body clock and the loss of two hours out of our life. I can't remember when Double Summer Time was abandoned but I am certain that others experienced the same circumstances. A manufacturing business needed the day light hours and could adjust in a day or so, but the animals were diffenernt. Viola --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com ================================== https://www.google.ie/ ================================== http://www.irishtimes.com/ancestor/placenames/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FERMANAGH-GOLD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
I know this is not Geanological related, but I am certain will have affected all of our ancestors. At present we are on Grenwich Mean Time (GMT0 Our UK clocks will "spring" forward one hour to BST at 1am tomorrow morning. We will "fall" back one hour to GMT at the end of October, (on the 25th October, I think). During WW2 we used to have 2Double Summer Time" when clocks would go forward an additional hour, and I remember working at haymaking in the meadow up to about 11pm and it was still daylight. The first couple of weeks the animals on the farm had not adjusted to the new times. In the mornings it would be dark and oil lamps (Hurricane Lamps, or Tilly Lamps) were used to go about the yard and in the Byre (Cow Shed). Cows would not give their usual amount of milk because they were still feeling a bit sleepy. In the evening, if the Cows were out in the fields, they would be queueing up at the gate to get into the Byre for milking at their usual time, Calves in the shed would be roaring for their evening feed and hens would collect near their feeding table. All at the usual times. My Parents gradually moved their time forward, otherwise the cow's udders would be so full their teats would drip the milk from them as they came in. My brother and I walked the four miles to school in the dark I suppose it took about a month for the animals, and for that matter us children, to adjust our body clock and the loss of two hours out of our life. I can't remember when Double Summer Time was abandoned but I am certain that others experienced the same circumstances. A manufacturing business needed the day light hours and could adjust in a day or so, but the animals were diffenernt. Viola --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com
I think Saskatchewan is the only jurisdiction in Canada with enough common sense to reject DST. In 1978 we moved to BC from the Yukon, and on my first day of work in Vancouver I strolled in with plenty of time to spare (so I thought). Oh yeah, look at the Yukoner nearly an hour late. Two years later we came to our senses and moved back to the Yukon, and someone in authority had brain fade and instituted DST. Sigh. In the land of the midnight sun, who needs daylight saving time? On 2015-03-28, at 6:58 PM, Eilish via wrote: > Hi Cheryl, > I live in NSW, Australia and our daylight saving has been extended for > additional months to what it originally was when it was introduced years > ago. I love it, and just about everyone I know wants it to be retained > all year so we can also enjoy the extra daylight hours in winter as well. > Horses for courses, I guess. Giddy up! :-) > > Eilish > > On 29/03/2015 12:01 PM, Cheryl Hebbs via wrote: >> I live in Perth, Western Australia and we tried daylight saving as it is called in Oz twice! the last trial ended in 2009 with a referendum which was unanimously opposed retaining the scheme, thank goodness, which hopefully is the end of the matter for us. It was absolutely daft, as the summer wore you found yourself getting up in the dark to go to work and then when you got home it was so hot you ran the aircon for longer, the only folk who enjoyed it were the power suppliers! Kind Regards >> Cheryl >> ================================== >> >> https://www.google.ie/ >> ================================== >> http://www.irishtimes.com/ancestor/placenames/ >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FERMANAGH-GOLD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ================================== > > https://www.google.ie/ > ================================== > http://www.irishtimes.com/ancestor/placenames/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FERMANAGH-GOLD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Jack, Thanks so much for the excellent analysis and synthesis of the NATURE article. Your conclusion "a better statement of the finding would be that the presumptively Celtic areas within the UK show considerable fine genetic diversity among them. That is a statement that can be supported by the study's evidence and likely reflects the fact that Celtic culture is more frequently defined by its language, Gaelic, rather than by individual tribal components" is in accord with what I have recently learned from one of my courses, that "Celtic" primarily means language and shared culture, but is not racial. Archeologist Barry Cunliffe's theory was that the Celtic languages developed along the Atlantic coast as a lingua franca among sea-faring and trading peoples from Spain, France , Brittany, Cornwall, Ireland north to Britain and Scotland, etc. (in other words, the Celtic Fringe). Janet C On 3/28/15 6:46 PM, fermanagh-gold-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > More on the DNA study of Great Britain reported in > NATURE
Here in Arizona, we don't change our clocks either. So half the year we are on Pacific time and the other half we are on Mountain Time. Val, just back from being on British Winter Time Sent from my iPad > On Mar 28, 2015, at 6:01 PM, Cheryl Hebbs via <fermanagh-gold@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > I live in Perth, Western Australia and we tried daylight saving as it is called in Oz twice! the last trial ended in 2009 with a referendum which was unanimously opposed retaining the scheme, thank goodness, which hopefully is the end of the matter for us. It was absolutely daft, as the summer wore you found yourself getting up in the dark to go to work and then when you got home it was so hot you ran the aircon for longer, the only folk who enjoyed it were the power suppliers! Kind Regards > Cheryl > ================================== > > https://www.google.ie/ > ================================== > http://www.irishtimes.com/ancestor/placenames/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FERMANAGH-GOLD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Hi, Carole, I did indeed go into the Scotlands People website, which is offering access to their records right now. I entered the request for my great-grandparents, John James SLOWEY and Ellizabeth DAVIDSON, in the section relating to Valuation Rolls. According to U. S. Census records and to their death certificates, the first two children of John and Elizabeth were born in Glasgow, Scotland in 1864 and on 17 February 1866, respectively. The website offered Valuation Rolls for 1865, which would have been perfect for my purpose. The rolls were supposed to show everyone who owned, lived, rented or otherwise occupied every dwelling. However, when I entered the data for this couple, there were no matches. Either the SP records are incomplete or the death certificates are incorrect. Elizabeth Davidson Slowey gave the data for her son's death record, since he was only 21 years old, so I doubt that she would have made a mistake on his birth place. It's also entirely possible that I missed something in the navigation of the website. I am a reluctant recruit in the technology revolution! The SP website had a number of interesting categories, so if anyone has ancestors who were connected with Scotland, it would probably be worth checking out. Best wishes and good luck, Carol Gebhart Marlo From: CARELL <carell@bigpond.com.au> To: carolandjoemarlo@yahoo.com Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2015 5:45 PM Subject: Scotlands People. Carol, when you get an answer about the Valuation Rolls,would you mind passing it on....and I'm sure your fellow listers at FG would be interested too! Good Luck, Carole Elliott
Forget my previous inquiry. I just found the clean text in the message below. Thanks anyway. Carol From: Cliff. Johnston via <fermanagh-gold@rootsweb.com> To: Jack Fallin <jakff@astound.net>; "fermanagh-gold@rootsweb.com" <fermanagh-gold@rootsweb.com>; "fermanagh-gold@rootsweb.com" <fermanagh-gold@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, March 27, 2015 12:00 PM Subject: Re: FERMANAGH-GOLD Digest, Vol 10, Issue 133: More on the DNA study of Great Britain reported in NATURE. So, it would appear that in order to get any reliable data we are reducing the equation to digging up old, identifiable graves and doing Y-DNA tests on the remains... Cliff. On Friday, March 27, 2015 11:25 AM, Jack Fallin via <fermanagh-gold@rootsweb.com> wrote: Dear List, As promised, I have now reviewed the Article in NATURE that was, in turn, condensed in a Newspaper article for which Carole provided a link. The Article is contained in NATURE, 19 March 2014 at pp. 309-314 and is titled “The fine-scale genetic structure of the British population.” In part, the study’s design is easy to describe and makes sense. While only 2000 people were analyzed, they were selected from rural areas and all four of their grandparents had to be born within 80km of one another. The idea was to avoid the sort of movement that has become common in modern society and to capture, through the grandparents, conditions as they existed in the late 1800s. Their DNA was then analyzed and they were grouped with other test subjects who had the most genetic information in common with them. Although the grouping was done purely on the basis of DNA analysis it wound up dividing most of the groups on a logical geographic basis, e.g. the people from Devon fell in one “cluster” while those in Cornwall fell in another. Not surprisingly those from the Orkney Islands [long in the possession of Norwegian Vikings] were the most widely separated from the rest, with the Welsh being the second outlier. There were a large number of specific variations, but Central and Southern England was generally homogeneous — something the researchers speculated might be attributable to a higher level of movement and DNA interchange in the area. A similarity found between the Northern Ireland population and that of Southern and Scotland is found to be assignable to the “Ulster plantation,” which seems reasonable. Viewed as just an exploration of differences within the UK the study is useful and unexceptional, but when it seeks to extend the data into the identification of corresponding European haplotypes it becomes both more interesting and more problematic. For it’s European comparators the study has no similar “cluster analysis,” rather it borrows a data base created to study multiple sclerosis in European populations. Having identified similarities between the British “clusters” and various “groups” extracted from the multiple sclerosis work, it then goes about attempting to show the place of origin for as many clusters as possible. The principal points of origin for Britain and Scotland are identified within modern France, Germany and Belgium. Norwegian, Danish and Swedish markers appear prominently only in the Orkneys. The use of modern country names immediately introduces uncertainty, because it does not reflect the origins question posed. At the times in question, the connections in France/Gaul and Belgium would almost certainly been Celtic [although unstated, the study seemed not to find any separate identifier for a Norman element]. Even the “German” category, although used to find an Anglo-Saxon connection, is not specifically assigned to any of the tribes supposedly involved. Indeed, “Germany" alone is a questionable category because the great Celtic cultures (Hallstadt and La Téne) had their largest centers in western Germany and Switzerland and it is unclear that those populations were later erased. The samples from Germany are also assigned as “Anglo-Saxon” without any of the interior checks used in the UK. In other words the samples are uncontrolled as to past mixing through movement and intermarriage. After WWII the population of Germany was massively reduced and, at least in some areas, subject to a great deal of movement. No corrective is offered for that problem. The region in the UK to which the German/“Anglo-Saxon” connection is made is Central and Southern Britain, he previously defined as genetically mixed and indistinct. Rather than explicitly pointing out the problem with that comparison, the reader is required to ferret it out from the finding that the actual size of this “Anglo-Saxon” connection is represents only a minority in the areas in question, with a huge uncertainty range between 10 and 40 per cent. While it is comforting that, unlike analyses done in the past, the study supplies some support for a significant population contribution from groups that altered the regions’ underlying language to English, the evidence as to just how large the incursion was, remains uncertain. The study does contain the newspaper quoted conclusion that it found “no evidence of a general “Celtic” population in non-Saxon parts of the UK. Instead, there were many distinct genetic clusters in these regions …” This conclusion is based, in turn, on differences in the “fine” genetic differences between, for instance, South and North Wales. Because the populations in these areas seems overwhelmingly to have come from Gallic/Celtic France and Belgium and the Welsh native language is Brythonic Gaelic, a better statement of the finding would be that the presumptively Celtic areas within the UK show considerable fine genetic diversity among them. That is a statement that can be supported by the study's evidence and likely reflects the fact that Celtic culture is more frequently defined by its language, Gaelic, rather than by individual tribal components. The online version is said to contain “supplemental information” not in the published article, I’ll let the List know if anything new appears there. Jack Fallin Walnut Creek, CA Even those who have paid On Mar 25, 2015, at 8:04 PM, fermanagh-gold-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > > > > 2. Re: Digest, Vol 10, Issue 130; Latest DNA study for England > Scotland. (Jack Fallin) > > 15. Re: Digest, Vol 10, Issue 130; Latest DNA study for England > Scotland. (Dee Byster-Graham) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2015 19:30:11 +0000 > From: Dave H <hallmarkone@gmail.com> > Subject: Re: FERMANAGH-GOLD Straight answer at last..... > To: fermanagh-gold@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <55130cd5.ad3ec20a.2b3d.ffffa83b@mx.google.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed > > It's MORE than that Dee... describing it as a Will first of all is > DISGRACEFUL!!!! > > Trying to rip people off for something that is useless.. > > It is clearly described as a Will and certainly, as far as I'm > concerned, certainly in Breach of the Trades Description Act!!! > > One can't sell something that is clearly not a Will, while describing it > as a Will!!! > > Time to read up on EU Laws now... grrrrr!! > > Dave > > > > > On 25/03/2015 18:25, Dee Byster-Graham wrote: >> That's bureaucracy for you, Dave. >> >> Grrrr indeed! >> >> Dee >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: fermanagh-gold-bounces@rootsweb.com >> [mailto:fermanagh-gold-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Dave H via >> Sent: Thursday, 26 March 2015 1:41 AM >> To: fermanagh-gold@rootsweb.com >> Subject: FERMANAGH-GOLD Straight answer at last..... >> >> >> Dear Mr Hall, >> >> With reference to your enquiry, the abstract will name neither beneficiaries >> nor bequests. >> >> Yours sincerely, >> >> Reader Services Division, >> >> National Archives, >> >> Bishop Street, >> >> Dublin 8. >> >> --------------------------------------------------- >> >> So whatever it is will be useless!! >> >> Certainly for anyone ordering what is called 'Document type: Will' it >> certainly will be disappointing!! >> >> What is actually is I haven't a clue but certainly won't be ordering it! >> >> >> DH > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2015 12:31:43 -0700 > From: Jack Fallin <jakff@astound.net> > Subject: Re: FERMANAGH-GOLD Digest, Vol 10, Issue 130; Latest DNA > study for England Scotland. > To: fermanagh-gold@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <55580B99-0645-4C02-AB0C-CF751B010F18@astound.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 > > I?ve read the Daily Mail article and I can almost guarantee it?s garbled the basic study. It talks about large parts of England having ?French? but not ?Norman? DNA ? well, the Celts in England and Ireland quite clearly came from somewhere else, and the great majority would have come from France and, to a lesser extent, Spain ? arriving atop an existing neolithic population that no one seems quite sure of. So the discussion about a ?Celtic Myth? seems wildly overstated. I subscribe to NATURE and will advise as to what is really said when I get a chance to read it. > > Jack Fallin > > > On Mar 24, 2015, at 6:18 PM, fermanagh-gold-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > >> >> >> >> 11. DNA maps/locations/links! (CARELL) >> 12. Re: DNA maps/locations/links! (Dee Byster-Graham) >> ================================== https://www.google.ie/ ================================== http://www.irishtimes.com/ancestor/placenames/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FERMANAGH-GOLD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ================================== https://www.google.ie/ ================================== http://www.irishtimes.com/ancestor/placenames/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FERMANAGH-GOLD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
How does one deal with the "Idquo" and other similar terms appearing in the article listed below? Thank you. Carol Gebhart Marlo From: Shirley Smith via <fermanagh-gold@rootsweb.com> To: fermanagh-gold@rootsweb.com Sent: Friday, March 27, 2015 3:54 PM Subject: FERMANAGH-GOLD More on the DNA study of Great Britain reported in NATURE. Jack, would you please write me directly at smith_shirley_ross@juno.com? I would like to write directly to you and not to the list. Thank you. Shirley Smith ---------- Original Message ---------- From: Jack Fallin via <fermanagh-gold@rootsweb.com> To: fermanagh-gold@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: FERMANAGH-GOLD Digest, Vol 10, Issue 133: More on the DNA study of Great Britain reported in NATURE. Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2015 09:23:05 -0700 Dear List, As promised, I have now reviewed the Article in NATURE that was, in turn, condensed in a Newspaper article for which Carole provided a link. The Article is contained in NATURE, 19 March 2014 at pp. 309-314 and is titled “The fine-scale genetic structure of the British population.” In part, the study’s design is easy to describe and makes sense. While only 2000 people were analyzed, they were selected from rural areas and all four of their grandparents had to be born within 80km of one another. The idea was to avoid the sort of movement that has become common in modern society and to capture, through the grandparents, conditions as they existed in the late 1800s. Their DNA was then analyzed and they were grouped with other test subjects who had the most genetic information in common with them. Although the grouping was done purely on the basis of DNA analysis it wound up dividing most of the groups on a logical geographic basis, e.g. the people from Devon fell in one “cluster” while those in Cornwall fell in another. Not surprisingly those from the Orkney Islands [long in the possession of Norwegian Vikings] were the most widely separated from the rest, with the Welsh being the second outlier. There were a large number of specific variations, but Central and Southern England was generally homogeneous — something the researchers speculated might be attributable to a higher level of movement and DNA interchange in the area. A similarity found between the Northern Ireland population and that of Southern and Scotland is found to be assignable to the “Ulster plantation,” which seems reasonable. Viewed as just an exploration of differences within the UK the study is useful and unexceptional, but when it seeks to extend the data into the identification of corresponding European haplotypes it becomes both more interesting and more problematic. For it’s European comparators the study has no similar “cluster analysis,” rather it borrows a data base created to study multiple sclerosis in European populations. Having identified similarities between the British “clusters” and various “groups” extracted from the multiple sclerosis work, it then goes about attempting to show the place of origin for as many clusters as possible. The principal points of origin for Britain and Scotland are identified within modern France, Germany and Belgium. Norwegian, Danish and Swedish markers appear prominently only in the Orkneys. The use of modern country names immediately introduces uncertainty, because it does not reflect the origins question posed. At the times in question, the connections in France/Gaul and Belgium would almost certainly been Celtic [although unstated, the study seemed not to find any separate identifier for a Norman element]. Even the “German” category, although used to find an Anglo-Saxon connection, is not specifically assigned to any of the tribes supposedly involved. Indeed, “Germany" alone is a questionable category because the great Celtic cultures (Hallstadt and La Téne) had their largest centers in western Germany and Switzerland and it is unclear that those populations were later erased. The samples from Germany are also assigned as “Anglo-Saxon” without any of the interior checks used in the UK. In other words the samples are uncontrolled as to past mixing through movement and intermarriage. After WWII the population of Germany was massively reduced and, at least in some areas, subject to a great deal of movement. No corrective is offered for that problem. The region in the UK to which the German/“Anglo-Saxon” connection is made is Central and Southern Britain, he previously defined as genetically mixed and indistinct. Rather than explicitly pointing out the problem with that comparison, the reader is required to ferret it out from the finding that the actual size of this “Anglo-Saxon” connection is represents only a minority in the areas in question, with a huge uncertainty range between 10 and 40 per cent. While it is comforting that, unlike analyses done in the past, the study supplies some support for a significant population contribution from groups that altered the regions’ underlying language to English, the evidence as to just how large the incursion was, remains uncertain. The study does contain the newspaper quoted conclusion that it found “no evidence of a general “Celtic” population in non-Saxon parts of the UK. Instead, there were many distinct genetic clusters in these regions …” This conclusion is based, in turn, on differences in the “fine” genetic differences between, for instance, South and North Wales. Because the populations in these areas seems overwhelmingly to have come from Gallic/Celtic France and Belgium and the Welsh native language is Brythonic Gaelic, a better statement of the finding would be that the presumptively Celtic areas within the UK show considerable fine genetic diversity among them. That is a statement that can be supported by the study's evidence and likely reflects the fact that Celtic culture is more frequently defined by its language, Gaelic, rather than by individual tribal components. The online version is said to contain “supplemental information” not in the published article, I’ll let the List know if anything new appears there. Jack Fallin Walnut Creek, CA Even those who have paid On Mar 25, 2015, at 8:04 PM, fermanagh-gold-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > > > > 2. Re: Digest, Vol 10, Issue 130; Latest DNA study for England > Scotland. (Jack Fallin) > > 15. Re: Digest, Vol 10, Issue 130; Latest DNA study for England > Scotland. (Dee Byster-Graham) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2015 19:30:11 +0000 > From: Dave H <hallmarkone@gmail.com> > Subject: Re: FERMANAGH-GOLD Straight answer at last..... > To: fermanagh-gold@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <55130cd5.ad3ec20a.2b3d.ffffa83b@mx.google.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed > > It's MORE than that Dee... describing it as a Will first of all is > DISGRACEFUL!!!! > > Trying to rip people off for something that is useless.. > > It is clearly described as a Will and certainly, as far as I'm > concerned, certainly in Breach of the Trades Description Act!!! > > One can't sell something that is clearly not a Will, while describing it > as a Will!!! > > Time to read up on EU Laws now... grrrrr!! > > Dave > > > > > On 25/03/2015 18:25, Dee Byster-Graham wrote: >> That's bureaucracy for you, Dave. >> >> Grrrr indeed! >> >> Dee >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: fermanagh-gold-bounces@rootsweb.com >> [mailto:fermanagh-gold-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Dave H via >> Sent: Thursday, 26 March 2015 1:41 AM >> To: fermanagh-gold@rootsweb.com >> Subject: FERMANAGH-GOLD Straight answer at last..... >> >> >> Dear Mr Hall, >> >> With reference to your enquiry, the abstract will name neither beneficiaries >> nor bequests. >> >> Yours sincerely, >> >> Reader Services Division, >> >> National Archives, >> >> Bishop Street, >> >> Dublin 8. >> >> --------------------------------------------------- >> >> So whatever it is will be useless!! >> >> Certainly for anyone ordering what is called 'Document type: Will' it >> certainly will be disappointing!! >> >> What is actually is I haven't a clue but certainly won't be ordering it! >> >> >> DH > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2015 12:31:43 -0700 > From: Jack Fallin <jakff@astound.net> > Subject: Re: FERMANAGH-GOLD Digest, Vol 10, Issue 130; Latest DNA > study for England Scotland. > To: fermanagh-gold@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <55580B99-0645-4C02-AB0C-CF751B010F18@astound.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 > > I?ve read the Daily Mail article and I can almost guarantee it?s garbled the basic study. It talks about large parts of England having ?French? but not ?Norman? DNA ? well, the Celts in England and Ireland quite clearly came from somewhere else, and the great majority would have come from France and, to a lesser extent, Spain ? arriving atop an existing neolithic population that no one seems quite sure of. So the discussion about a ?Celtic Myth? seems wildly overstated. I subscribe to NATURE and will advise as to what is really said when I get a chance to read it. > > Jack Fallin > > > On Mar 24, 2015, at 6:18 PM, fermanagh-gold-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > >> >> >> >> 11. DNA maps/locations/links! (CARELL) >> 12. Re: DNA maps/locations/links! (Dee Byster-Graham) >> ================================== https://www.google.ie/ ================================== http://www.irishtimes.com/ancestor/placenames/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FERMANAGH-GOLD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ================================== https://www.google.ie/ ================================== http://www.irishtimes.com/ancestor/placenames/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FERMANAGH-GOLD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Thanks Chris. Looks like the Weyback Machine has all of the HTML pages and the associated pictures, but not the PDF or Excel documents. Regards, John in NC On 2015/03/28 13:13 , Christina Hunt wrote: > John, > She may not have kept her private domain name active. > You can see some through the internet archive wayback machine: > http://web.archive.org/web/20130815000902/http://claires-rosleaancestry.co.uk/index.html > > > Chris > > John Olson-Kennedy via wrote: >> Hello Listers, >> >> Does anyone know what's happened to Claire McConville's website? >> http://www.claires-rosleaancestry.co.uk/ >> >> The name still resolves, but there's no data to display. >> >> If this is gone, many records for St. Tierney's in Roslea will be more >> difficult to find. Thankfully Sean Rooney's website still has some of >> these available, but I don't think he had as much as Claire did. >> http://www.rooneys-of-roslea.com/front_page.html >> >